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A Massive Rally in a blue state

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  one week ago  •  171 comments

A Massive Rally in a blue state
"Supporters camped out overnight at the beach for a Trump rally that starts at 5PM today in Wildwood. Joe Biden can’t fill up a broom closet without staff, media, and angry protesters (sic)," one X user under the name "Bad Hombre" posted Saturday.

"Trump held a beachside rally in Wildwood, New Jersey, on Saturday evening as at least 80,000, and up to 100,000 supporters, joined the 45th president in the historically deep-blue state. Simultaneously, 24 miles across Deleware Bay, Biden arrived at his  home in Rehoboth Beach  for Mother’s Day."

Massive Trump beach rally in deep-blue NJ draws stark contrast to Biden's beach weekend: 'Biden could never' (msn.com)

It was breathtaking to see. Some people had waited days to see & hear the former President. Others were way beyond a place where they could actually see him. He started slow, mentioning how Frank Sinatra had once told him never to eat before a performance, yet Trump couldn't resist the hot dog stand. As he went on he gathered steam, reminding the people what was at stake in the next election.

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A bit of analysis



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

The largest rally in the history of New Jersey.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     one week ago

It isn't going to make a difference in the election, NJ will vote blue.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago

That is what is so strange to so many. One draws maybe 80 thousand and the other can't draw flies, yet the dumb ass gets a ton of mail-in-votes. Maybe old Joe appeals to the house bound. That must be it!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 days ago

You mail in your vote.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago

Really only a few ways that could happen.

  1. NJ voters all receive TBI's and forget the clusterfuck in the WH.
  2. Trump Convicted.  Which is unlikely with the rampant prosecutorial misconduct we are seeing right now.
  3. Democrats cheat.  Which is in the works now.
 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2    one week ago
NJ voters all receive TBI's and forget the clusterfuck in the WH.

Since NJ is a 60/40 split in voters, the 40% are Republicans with TBI the 60% dems will win again.

Trump Convicted.  Which is unlikely with the rampant prosecutorial misconduct we are seeing right now.

Only in the eyes of the losers of 2020.

Democrats cheat.  Which is in the works now.

60 or more court cases and numerous investigations by the Republicans and they lost them all...LMAO talk about losers, they are the poster child for losers.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    one week ago

it's the 2024 election season's first outdoor moron convention on the east coast ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    one week ago
60 or more court cases and numerous investigations by the Republicans and they lost them all.

And you really think that means something after so many attempts and altered evidence by the prosecutors?  

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.4  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.3    one week ago
And you really think that means something after so many attempts and altered evidence by the prosecutors?  

It means a lot since the republicans lost every case and the 2020 results stayed even with all the whining and crying from the weenies on the right.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @2.2.4    one week ago

And there it is, the deflection.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    one week ago
Only in the eyes of the losers of 2020.

And in the eyes of the losers in 2016.    I could keep going but you get the point.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.7  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @2.2.2    one week ago

Nah, those have been happening on college campuses for weeks now all over the country.    Useful idiots all.    The pride of our friends on the left.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.8  Kavika   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.5    one week ago

Your usual response, LOL you need a new refrain.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.9  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @2.2.6    one week ago
And in the eyes of the losers in 2016.    I could keep going but you get the point.

No, I don't get your point, please point out the number of court cases lost by the dem in 2016 and the number of dem investigations  that produced zilch .

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.13  Texan1211  replied to    one week ago

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Thomas
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2.2.15  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @2.2.4    6 days ago

How did the vote recount go in AZ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @2.2.9    6 days ago

Glad to help.    Here is your primer of Democrat “losers”

  • Biden and Democrats have a long history of contesting election outcomes
  • Many Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Barbra Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), have cast doubt on every single Republican presidential victory in the last two decades.
  • Every single Democrat president since 1977 has cast doubt on the legitimacy of U.S. elections.
  • As recently as this year, Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the upcoming 2022 midterms.
  • Hillary Clinton, more than once, questioned the legitimacy of the 2000 election.
  • Then-President Bill Clinton in 2001 claimed that Gore actually won the election, suggesting that all the votes in Florida were not counted and that the Supreme Court had altered the outcome.
  • Former President Jimmy Carter has repeatedly denied the results of the 2000 election.
  • Terry McAuliffe repeated claims that the 2000 election was “stolen” for over two decades.
  • Former DNC Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) in 2016 said that Al Gore won Florida.
  • Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD), a member of the January 6th Committee, has repeatedly suggested the 2000 election was illegitimate.
  • 15 House Democrats even objected to counting Florida’s electoral votes.
  • In 2005, then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and then-Rep. Stephanie Tubbs (D-OH) filed an objection to the certification of Ohio’s electoral college votes.
  • 31 House Democrats voted to reject electoral votes from the state of Ohio, including Reps. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), Barbra Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), James Clyburn (D-SC), and now-Senator Ed Markey (D-MA). 
  • In 2005, House Democrats authored a report claiming there were “‘numerous, serious election irregularities” in Ohio’s presidential vote.
  • John Kerry raised questions about the election on multiple occasions, claiming that many voters were “denied their right to vote; too many who tried to vote were intimidated.”
  • In 2004, then-DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe commissioned a “comprehensive investigative study on election practices in Ohio” to address “legitimate questions and concerns.”
  • In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the election in Ohio was fairly decided” in 2004.
    • In 2008, Dean accused Republicans of stealing elections and inferred they stole the election in 2004.
  • Then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) questioned the “integrity” of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election. 
  • In January 2005, then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) claimed there were many “legitimate” questions regarding the “accuracy” and “integrity” of the 2004 election.
  • Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) applauded objections to the 2004 election and thanked Sen. Boxer for objecting to Ohio’s electoral votes, saying voters can’t be confident their vote will be counted.
  • Then-Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) applauded Sen. Boxer and Rep. Tubbs Jones for objecting to Ohio’s electoral votes, calling their objections an “important service for American democracy.”
  • Then-Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) in 2005 applauded Democrat efforts to contest the 2004 election, called the election “flawed,” and suggested problems may have been the result of “manipulation.”
  • Then-Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) alleged “systematic voter disenfranchisement” and faulty voting machines in the 2004 election. 
  • In September 2008, then-Sen. Barrack Obama (D-IL) joked about the 2004 election, saying it helps that in Ohio “Democrats are in charge of the [voting] machines” in the upcoming election.
  • Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) questioned the use and efficacy of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election. 
  • In January 2005, then-House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) praised Sen. Boxer’s challenge of the election, saying the debate is “fundamental to our democracy.”
  • Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail. 
  • Then-Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said Boxer And Tubbs performed a “very valuable public service” and stated he was concerned with all “reports of voting problems in many parts of the country.”
  • Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) said the problems with the Ohio election could have been “outcome determinative.”
  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in 2006 wrote an op-ed claiming that Republicans “stole” the 2004 election. 
  • Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr. “questioned the legitimacy” of the election and suggested the Bush victory was the result of “fraud and stealing.”
  • In 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes.
  • After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with many “claiming his election was illegitimate.”
  • After the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election and claimed the election was stolen from her.
  • Former President Jimmy Carter said he believed that “a full investigation” would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016.
  • Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said “I believe” Russian interference altered the outcome of the election.
  • Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) dodged answering whether Trump was “a legitimate president.”
  • Rep Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) said the “legitimacy is in question” of Trump’s presidency.
  • Then-Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) said he did not believe President Trump is a “legitimate president.”
  • Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) said “there absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy” to Trump’s presidency.
  • Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said that Trump’s election was “illegitimate” and that Trump “is an illegitimate president.”
  • Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) justified his decision to object to certification saying Republicans engaged in “deliberate voter suppression … in numerous swing states.”
  • Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) refused to attend President Trump’s inauguration ceremony because Trump’s election victory was “tainted” by “foreign interference and voter suppression.”
  • Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) refused to say if Trump was a “legitimate president.”
  • In 2018, Stacey Abrams refused to concede after losing the Georgia governor’s race and repeatedly challenged the “legitimacy of the election” after her loss In 2018, 
  • In both 2013, and in 2016, Biden claimed that Gore won the 2000 presidential election.
    • In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump is an “illegitimate president.”
  • Kamala Harris has repeatedly cast doubt on election results over the years.
    • Following the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018, Kamala Harris claimed that “without voter suppression, Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia” and that Gillum would be “the governor of Florida.”
    • In 2019, Harris agreed that Trump was an “illegitimate president.” 
  • Multiple Biden administration officials have a history of denying election results.
    • For nearly two decades, Biden’s Chief of Staff Ron Klain claimed that Gore won the 2000 election.
    • Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre tweeted that the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race was stolen.
    • Jean-Pierre also cast doubt on the 2016 election, tweeting “stolen election .....welcome to the world of #unpresidented Trump.”
    • Kamala Harris’ Communications Director Jamal Simmons for years tweeted that Bush “stole” the 2000 election.

A bushel basket of Democrat “losers” …….. yeeerrrrrr out!

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.19  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @2.2.16    6 days ago

My question was this:

No, I don't get your point, please point out the number of court cases lost by the dem in 2016 and the number of dem investigations  that produced zilch .

You didn't answer it with your response.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago

Down ballot perhaps, but Trump will triumph. You appear to be in denial of how poorly most of the country regards Biden and his dismal record. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.4  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago

No, but it does rally Trump's base; and shows that he can still gather a crowd in even that Democrat bastion of stupidity.

It isn't like Trump is free to campaign across the country like Brandon is; thanks to a Democrat New York judge.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.4.1  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @2.4    one week ago
No, but it does rally Trump's base; and shows that he can still gather a crowd in even that Democrat bastion of stupidity.

He drew crowds of millions, per Trump in the 2016 race and still lost. 

It isn't like Trump is free to campaign across the country like Brandon is; thanks to a Democrat New York judge.

Perhaps if he didn't fuck up he wouldn't be in that predicament. So sad.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.6  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago
It isn't going to make a difference in the election, NJ will vote blue.

Yes--- the state is heavily Democratic.

And while this is technically accurate, but might lead to an erroneous conclusion:

A Massive Rally In A Blue State

Why? Well its a Blue state-- but the Wildwood area is mostly Republican. (The congressional representative of that area is a Republican).

And a bit of trivia: It would be perhaps more accurate to rephrase that as:

A Massive Republican Rally south of the Mason Dixon line

One might then assume that a "massive Trump rally in the South is not such as big deal! (Compared to a massive trump rally in a Democratic area...)

IIRC the Mason-Dixon line goes from West to East along the Southern border of PA-- and the southernmost part of NJ does lie South of that latitude! (Although the line was as  drawn did not  enter NJ.

In any event that area is mainly Republican.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Memorable scenes from Wildwood

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Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one week ago

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TᵢG
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3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one week ago

Do you find that sentiment to be accurate?   Appropriate?   

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one week ago

Wow, the supporters of the former 'president' are such classy white trash!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one week ago

800

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4    one week ago

Your crowd even called George W Bush a Nazi.

I'm afraid it no longer means anything.  I hope you feel better now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.1    one week ago

these folks just love to call others Nazis or Fascists but have exhibited no indication they even know what the words mean .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.4.2    one week ago

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Gaggle of Trump voters

 
 
 
George
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3.4.4  George  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.3    one week ago

256

a klan of democrats.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.4.5  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.4.2    6 days ago

It's interesting when folks who really don't have a clue about what the words Nazis or Fascists mean criticize those who do.  Comment 3.4.2 is a perfect example.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.4.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.1    6 days ago

What John said is truthful.  Who compared dubya to a Nazi??????????????????????????

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.4.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.1    6 days ago

And John McCain….

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.4.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.4.7    6 days ago

Ya that's right, McCain didn't become respected by democrats until he feuded with Trump.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.4.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.8    6 days ago

Hell, Trump didn't become hated until he left the Democrat Party and beat them at their own game.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.4.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.4.9    6 days ago

That is right.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.4.11  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.4.6    5 days ago

So no one then.

Got it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.5  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one week ago

Classless trump bottom feeders, thanks for pointing them out. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.6  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    6 days ago

Stupid people do stupid things every day

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Lawrence Taylor and Otis Anderson endorse Trump.

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“I just wanted to say, I grew up a Democrat and I’ve always been a Democrat until I met this man right here,” pointing to Trump.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one week ago

“Lawrence Taylor…”

‘His personal life came under public scrutiny in 2010 when he was arrested for the statutory rape of a 16-year-old girl.’

Birds of a characterless feather…

 
 
 
George
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4.1.1  George  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1    one week ago
statutory rape of a 16-year-old girl.’

At least neither were his daughter, something Joe Biden can't claim.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.2  afrayedknot  replied to  George @4.1.1    one week ago

“At least…”

If the only place to hang one’s hat, it is the lonely time to hang one’s head. 

 
 
 
George
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4.1.3  George  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.2    one week ago

256

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.4  afrayedknot  replied to  George @4.1.3    one week ago

…”At least…”

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1    one week ago

They support their rapists and white trash - just like the former 'president'!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.5    one week ago

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afrayedknot
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4.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.6    one week ago

removed for context by charger

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.7    one week ago

For God's sake. get a freaking grip.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.9  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    one week ago

“For God's sake. get a freaking grip.”

…for gawds sake, get a freaking life…”

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.9    one week ago

I have one, unfortunately there are too many left wing Biden sycophants in it presently.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    one week ago

“I have one…”

And if weren’t for this venue, just how would you occupy your time, your thoughts, your self gratification?

The sheer amount of posts and the intensity of the work put in with the inevitable disclaimers speaks volumes. Sad, actually. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.11    one week ago

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Tessylo
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4.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.11    one week ago

And that's the truth.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.14  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.12    one week ago

“…I can glean from them.”

Comedy, sarcasm, truth? Only you seem able and willing to describe intent. Carrion. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.14    one week ago

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afrayedknot
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4.1.16  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.15    one week ago

“…the hang of it.”

No worries, tex…you are the one always, always, always leaving yourself out to dry. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.16    one week ago

must be from those left wing rabid dogs pissing in the wind.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.18  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.17    one week ago

“…left wing rabid dogs…”

Cogent? Hardly.

Constructive? Please.

Predictable? Always.

Carrion. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.18    one week ago

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Tessylo
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4.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1    one week ago

Some hold the former 'president' to no standards whatsoever

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.6    6 days ago

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Tessylo
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4.1.22  Tessylo  impassed  Sparty On @4.1.6    6 days ago
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1    6 days ago

He did that as a lifelong democrat. [removed][]

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one week ago

Endorsed by Lawrence Taylor, who is a perfect mini me for Trump since his criminal record seems in so cases to mimic DJT.

  

In 2001, Taylor was convicted of possessing drug paraphernalia in New Jersey. The conviction stemmed from the September 1998 discovery in a hotel room of a butane torch and other materials commonly used to smoke crack.

In 1996 and 1997, he was arrested in South Carolina and Florida on drug charges. In those cases, he either admitted his guilt or agreed to enter a pretrial intervention program.

In 2000, he drew five years of federal probation for filing false tax returns and for tax evasion.

Then there is this little gem:

Taylor was charged with third-degree rape because she was under age . When he pleaded guilty to the lesser charges, Taylor admitted having intercourse with the girl. He said that she told him that she was 19, but that he now knew that she was 16 and legally incapable of consent. He said he paid her $300.

 
 
 
George
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4.2.1  George  replied to  Kavika @4.2    one week ago

And yet strangely enough Donald trump doesn't smoke or drink or use drugs unlike the alcohol crack using Biden family. i think your characterization is projection.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Kavika @4.2    one week ago

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devangelical
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4.2.3  devangelical  replied to  George @4.2.1    one week ago

but, but, but, what about ...

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.4  Kavika   replied to  George @4.2.1    one week ago
And yet strangely enough Donald trump doesn't smoke or drink or use drugs unlike the alcohol crack using Biden family. i think your characterization is projection.

Indeed Hunter has/had a drug problem, has anyone in the immediate Biden family been convicted of drug crimes? and for projection did Trump lose a case or two for millions to E. Jean Carroll?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.5  Kavika   replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.2    one week ago
Ah, trying to trash anyone that might support Trump.  How lefty of you

Simply pointing out the facts, if you can dispute them, please do.

Cheers.

 
 
 
George
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4.2.6  George  replied to  Kavika @4.2.4    one week ago
has anyone in the immediate Biden family been convicted of drug crimes?

I could ask you the same question about the trump family? how many of them have gone to rehab? All Bidens kids appear to be fucked up in the head, as well as all the animals he raised. That tells me what kind of person he is.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.2.7  afrayedknot  replied to  George @4.2.6    one week ago

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Right Down the Center
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4.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Kavika @4.2.5    one week ago
Simply pointing out the facts

What is the relevance of these facts to who he supports?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @4.2.6    one week ago

Yeah, and Biden’s son also had an affair with his sister in law at the same time he was  blowing throw millions on drugs and impregnating a stripper, whose child he did everything possible to avoid supporting or even acknowledging. 

makes the trump kids look like  the cleavers

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.10  Kavika   replied to  George @4.2.6    one week ago
I could ask you the same question about the trump family? how many of them have gone to rehab? All Bidens kids appear to be fucked up in the head, as well as all the animals he raised. That tells me what kind of person he is.

None that is public, but Donnie JR and his girlfriend look like coke on the rocks most of the time. If you think that Biden's kids are fucked up in the head what does that say about the Trump kids? 

Speaking of animals looking at the Trump kids reinforces that the rotten apple does fall far from the rotten tree.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.11  Kavika   replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.8    one week ago

The relevance is that both were found guilty of some for of sexual crime except that DJT had to pay a lot more than Lawrence did.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Kavika @4.2.11    one week ago

And?   That somehow is relevant to who he supports as president? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.12    one week ago

We call that a real s t r e t c h down here.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Kavika   replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.12    one week ago
And?   That somehow is relevant to who he supports as president? 

Of course, one crook or sexual abuser supporting another. LOL

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
4.2.15  Thomas  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.12    6 days ago

Well, you can support the same person as a crack smoking underage whore would... would you??

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one week ago

So?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.4  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    6 days ago

So he wasn't a republican until he met trump? that explains why he was having sex with minors like Biden, he was a democrat.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    one week ago

this what a crowd of 100, 000 people looks like

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The idea that this many people were at Trump's rally is laughable. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

Still more people than any Brandon or Hillary rally could ever draw.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

So is denial, but that never stops the hard core liberal left.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2    one week ago

800

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    one week ago

That is a old photo of a Obama rally. The subject is Trump. Do try to stay on topic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.2    one week ago

If MAGAs want to believe that there were 100,000 people at the trump rally on Saturday let them go right ahead.   it fits in with all their other delusions.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    6 days ago

The fucking moron says he draws bigger crowds than Bruce Springsteen in Bruce's home state and said that Bruce voted for him.

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    6 days ago

now that's fucking funny

I don't think he listens to Bruce's music

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
5.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

So how many do you think were there and what are your sources?  Or is your comment just wishful thinking/just a guess since Biden could not fill a diner with people that want to see him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3    one week ago

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Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
5.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.1    one week ago

Cool, a picture of a Rod concert is proof of a Trump rally attendance.  That is like saying the picture below is the picture of a what a Biden rally looks like.  Oooops, it might be.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.2    one week ago

i think you lost the plot

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
5.3.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.3    one week ago

Shocking that you would think so.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.4    one week ago

At least you had one.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.4  bccrane  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

The bird's eye view really puts into perspective at how small a football stadium actually is.  Getting the whole stadium in the picture and you can still make out the individuals in and out of the stadium.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  bccrane @5.4    one week ago

I saw a video of Trumps rally crowd. It looked to me like what you would see in a half filled major league baseball stadium. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.1    one week ago

Per the last census , NJ has approximately 1,883,313 Republicans.    So even if there was a crowd of 100,000 and they all were NJ Republicans (both quite generous assumptions) that represents 5.3 % of the total NJ Republicans.   It would not be surprising that in a state where the Republicans have not seen their presidential votes count since 1988, that Trump would siphon off a sliver of the hyper MAGA for a rare appearance of a GOP presumptive nominee.

I do not expect Trump to win NJ.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.2    one week ago
state where the Republicans have not seen their presidential votes count since 1988, 

Guess all those Republicans were just sitting it out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.4  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.3    one week ago

If you look at the stats, the Rs are outnumbered in NJ.   It is difficult to get a GOP win in a state where the Ds outnumber the Rs by a significant amount.

Why would you ignore that basic fact and just presume the Rs were "sitting it out"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.4    one week ago

just basing it on your earlier claims of people who vote sitting it out.

Why would you think I am ignoring facts?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.6  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.5    one week ago
just basing it on your earlier claims of people who vote sitting it out.

Then your comment is ill-formed.  

Figure out your premises, ensure they are based in fact, then formulate an argument.

Right now, your comment is nonsensical.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
5.4.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.2    one week ago

When did they stop allowing out of staters into Jersey to go to a rally?

I don't expect him to win Jersey either but one never knows, Joe is making it harder and harder to vote for him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.4.8  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.6    one week ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.9  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.4.7    one week ago
When did they stop allowing out of staters into Jersey to go to a rally?

Who said they did?   If you had followed what I wrote, you would have seen that I made the generous assumption that these are only NJ voters.   If you relax that assumption and assume that the attendees also included imports, then the percentage becomes less impressive.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.4.10  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.8    one week ago

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Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.4.11  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.4    one week ago

Numbers mean very little if the party faithful doesn't get out and vote for the old bastard. We have no idea of the independent vote, and Biden is losing numbers in just about every demographic.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.12  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @5.4.11    one week ago
Numbers mean very little if the party faithful doesn't get out and vote for the old bastard.

Correct, the only numbers that matter are those by voters who actually cast a ballot.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.4.13  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.12    one week ago

Even those you have accused of sitting it out?

Sure sounds different from your other claims!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.14  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.13    one week ago

Again with the vague, incoherent claims.

The only numbers that matter are those by voters who actually cast a ballot.

That statement is clear as a bell.   It is extremely obvious.   I would have never suggested anything contrary to the utterly basic, simple truth.

Those who do not vote will not make a difference in who is elected.    You understand that, right?   So what is your confusion?

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
5.4.15  GregTx  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.10    one week ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.5  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

It's fucking hysterical!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 days ago

Take a look at the Wildwood pictures.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    one week ago

trumps rally on saturday -

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100,000 people

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one week ago
100,000 people

Wrong..............I believe that is the aerial view of the LA Coliseum, capacity, 77,000

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    one week ago

You just helped make JRs point.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    one week ago

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105,000 capacity

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    one week ago

no, you're wrong

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btw way tig is right, you were proving my point by claiming the football crowd was less than 100,000

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    one week ago

92,000 in that case and i wasn't trying to disprove your point. Only that you claimed that picture depicted 100,000 No biggie

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.4    one week ago

They’re just mad that Biden would be lucky to draw 1/10th those numbers ….. in a deep blue state.

I’d be mad with those numbers as well.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.5    one week ago

I couldnt care less about rally crowd sizes. unless they are a lie. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    one week ago

Your boy blue will be lucky to draw a church league softball game sized crowd.

So you’ve got no choice.    None.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.1    one week ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.4    one week ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.7    6 days ago

The usual hive minded drone nonsense ignorance

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.10    5 days ago

True, the turnout would probably be much lower ….

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    one week ago

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That is not 100,000 people. Its not even close to 80,000. 

The "estimate" was made by local MAGA friendly officials in the New Jersey town that is in a heavily pro Trump county. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7.1  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one week ago

Why don't the Trumpists just claim there were 1 million people there?  Or "the largest crowd in the history of the universe"?  It would all be as believable.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @7    6 days ago

I’d guess closer to 40k.

A number Biden can only have wet dreams about …..

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
8  Greg Jones    one week ago

The point is, is that Biden is not getting the numbers that Trump is getting, not even close.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @8    one week ago

And, as you noted, the only numbers that matter are the actual votes.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @8    6 days ago
Biden is not getting the numbers that Trump is getting, not even close.

512

One of trump's rallies. LOTS of empty seats. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
9  George    one week ago

Here are the independent reports:

Nearly 100,000 people pack Wildwood beach for Donald Trump rally

Nearly 100,000 people pack Wildwood beach for Donald Trump rally (msn.com)

From the moment that Lisa Fagan, who is the  spokesperson for Wildwood City … told the Associated Press that the estimated crowd at The President Trump rally was between 80,000 and 100,000 … Trump opponents have gone into overdrive to trash the rally.

Read More:  Detractors Attack Record Trump Wildwood, NJ Rally Crowd Size  | https://wpgtalkradio.com/detractors-attack-record-trump-wildwood-nj-rally-crowd-size/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

Lisa Fagan, spokesperson for the city of Wildwood, told The Associated Press that she estimated a crowd of between 80,000 and 100,000 attendees, based off her own observations on the scene Saturday, having seen “dozens” of other events in the same space.

Trump tells Jersey Shore crowd he's being forced to endure 'Biden show trial' in hush money case - ABC News (go.com)
 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
10  MrFrost    one week ago

512

LMAO!!!! 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @10    one week ago

are those the jersey mountains in the background?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @10.1    one week ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @10.1    one week ago

I think I see Snooki

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.2    5 days ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @10.1.3    5 days ago

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Sometimes the jokes must just write themselves for his writers.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
10.2  Gsquared  replied to  MrFrost @10    one week ago

This shows you how gullible propagandists like Stone think the Republican base is.  And he's not so wrong.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
10.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Gsquared @10.2    6 days ago

It's a picture of a Rod Stewart concert in the UK. You are correct, trump supporters are pretty gullible. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11  sandy-2021492    6 days ago

Meta cleaned up thread 2.2.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
12  afrayedknot    5 days ago

Focusing on crowd size just leads to more wasted time and immaterial words. The focus should be on what is said during these events. Close your eyes and open your ears and then let us discuss what is truly important. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1  Sparty On  replied to  afrayedknot @12    5 days ago

Sez the side who has trouble filling a church league softball bleacher ….

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12.1.1  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @12.1    5 days ago

The gop did not even pass or publish a party platform in 2020 and the MAGA will not again this year because what they intend on doing is so extremely unpopular and is toxic to voters...

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
12.1.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Sparty On @12.1    5 days ago

Goodness. How can my friend on the right be so off target? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
12.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @12.1.1    5 days ago

That's one opinion.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  afrayedknot @12.1.2    5 days ago

Great googlie mooglies!    

How can some on the left be in such denial?

Amazing!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
12.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @12.1.1    5 days ago
because what they intend on doing is so extremely unpopular and is toxic to voters...

What is your source, the DNC?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @12.1.1    5 days ago

Yawn …. Why must you push such disengenuous garbage?

Add some substance to your weak sauce.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
12.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.6    5 days ago
Why must you push such disingenuous garbage?

Low expectation of a fact check?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.7    5 days ago

Nah, it’s a key component of the Democrat platform.    Lie and gaslight your ass off and hope you catch some useful idiots.

Marxism 101

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.8    5 days ago
 Lie and gaslight your ass off and hope you catch some useful idiots.

And as we see, the useful idiots believe it and spread it all over the internet for years. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.9    5 days ago

Tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth ….,

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.6    5 days ago

from your link

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;  

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in 
accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for 
President Trump and his Administration; and 

RESOLVED, That  any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @12.1.1    5 days ago

you are right JBB, tell them to pound salt

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
12.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.12    5 days ago

There is a fundamental tenet of the Republican platform that dates back years.  Lie and gaslight your ass off, then lie again.  That's what attracts right wing idiots.  Right out of the Goebbels playbook. 

Fascism 101.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
12.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.9    5 days ago

And as we see, the useful idiots believe it and spread it all over the internet for years. 

Has trump released his policy ideas yet or is he still crying about 2020? 

Yep, figures. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.11    5 days ago
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda

Looks like a platform to the most casual of observers

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.12    5 days ago

More garbage

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
12.1.17  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.15    4 days ago

It's a loyalty pledge to a cult leader totally devoid of policy positions or a statement of values.  To the most casual observor, or the most sophisticated and engaged observor, it looks like a big nothing.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @12.1.17    4 days ago

Nope

 
 

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