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Setting the stage

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 months ago  •  71 comments

Setting the stage
"To ensure candidates may maximize the time allotted in the debate, no audience will be present," said CNN, which named Jake Tapper and Dana Bash as co-moderators.


There will be Presidential debates. The first will be provided by CNN on June 27 and the second will be provided by ABC on September 10th. In what many consider to be a desperate move by Joe Biden, who is struggling in the polls, Joe Biden offered (with conditions) to debate former President Trump. Trump immediately accepted, leaving many Republicans wondering why he would accept such terms.


Let's face it, these are the terms:

No live audience

RFK Jr. is banned

Trump’s mic is muted when
Biden speaks

Only to be hosted by NPR, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or CBS

Moderated by Democrat-aligned reporter

Donald Trump had already accepted an offer from Fox, but Biden's team declined. Most likely the Biden campaign felt they had to do something to get Biden some momentum, so they had him take the initiative yesterday and the leftwing media drove the story all day as Donald Trump accepted immediately. Trump has always said "anytime, anyplace." Biden may have forced his campaign into it when he said he would debate Trump on the Howard Stern show a few weeks ago. Neither Trump nor Biden has been in a debate for about 4 years. Biden seldom speaks for more than 15 minutes anymore. I am sure that was part of the appeal for Trump, having Biden on a stage for hours with Biden's knees going wobbly and Joe forced to focus on all those friendly questions that CNN and ABC will be sending his way. Leftist activist George Stephanopoulos will be in charge of the ABC moderators and presentation. Can you imagine what kind of questions each man will get?


The reason for the Biden looking to debate is obvious: Although the race is tight, Biden is still in serious trouble in key battleground states and we have reached the point where people are making their decisions, and those choices are unlikely to change.


In other news:

The U.S. anchored a temporary pier on Gaza’s coast for humanitarian aid. Hamas had been firing rockets at it.

The Israeli defense minister warned that Israel could have to establish military rule over Gaza unless it set up an alternative government there.

Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, was shot and wounded.

Vladimir Putin arrived in China for a summit with Xi Jinping. 

Ukraine is fighting desperately to repel a Russian assault in the northeast of the country.

House Republicans are considering holding AG Merrick Garland in contempt of congress.



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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Good morning

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Let's see, where could we find a good debate moderator?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

that won't work. he'll be at his dacha outside moscow on those dates...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 months ago

I'd give him a shot

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 months ago

Otherwise, we are stuck with these two:

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Will somebody please get a decent meal into Dana.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

the daily trump dump

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Ron Klain, Biden’s former chief of staff, said he expects to reprise his role in helping organize debate prep for 2024 as he did in 2020. Bob Bauer, a former White House counsel and now personal attorney to Biden, played the role of Trump in mock sessions four years ago; advisers would not yet say whether he planned to reprise the role.

Biden and Trump agree to debates in late June and September (nbcnews.com)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
3  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago
No live audience

Keeps people from laughing on live TV when Babbling Biden goes off on one of his stories.

RFK Jr. is banned

Why?  Too many people for Traitor Joe to pay attention to?

Trump’s mic is muted when Biden speaks

And Biden's mic?

Only to be hosted by NPR, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or CBS

Not exactly non-partisan.

Moderated by Democrat-aligned reporter

Need to be able to give Bumbling Biden the easy questions.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    2 months ago
Keeps people from laughing on live TV when Babbling Biden goes off on one of his stories.

He just can't seem to draw live supporters. It would be Trump people showing up and they know it.


Why?  Too many people for Traitor Joe to pay attention to?

An alternative democrat? No way!


And Biden's mic?

Hopefully load and clear when he babbles on


Not exactly non-partisan.

They always need a stacked deck.


Need to be able to give Bumbling Biden the easy questions.

I'm sure that topic 1 will be abortion.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 months ago
It would be Trump people showing up and they know it.

256

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 months ago
It would be Trump people showing up and they know it.

And they don't want to embarrass Biden any more than he already does.

I'm sure that topic 1 will be abortion.

Of course.  Let's make something that isn't a federal issue an issue for the debate.  jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif   Not like Biden will know what he's talking about anyway.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.2    2 months ago

Number 2 will be Jan 6th.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    2 months ago
Trump’s mic is muted when Biden speaks
And Biden's mic?

Biden's mic will be on when Biden speaks. 

On Morning Joe this morning they played about a two minute long clip of Trump being utterly out of control at the first 2020 debate. He cannot let Biden finish a sentence without interrupting.  It is a pathetic display for a US presidential candidate.  Of course their mics need to be turned off while the other is speaking, there is no other sane way to do this when Trump is involved. 

If he doesnt like it he can stay home. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    2 months ago
On Morning Joe this morning they played about a two minute long clip of Trump being utterly out of control at the first 2020 debate.

From 2020.  We see that from Biden every day for the last 50 years.  

He cannot let Biden finish a sentence without interrupting.

That's what you do to somebody who can't form a sentence.

It is a pathetic display for a US presidential candidate. 

Yeah, Biden is just that.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago
Trump’s mic is muted when  Biden  speaks

What about Biden's mic? He isn't the innocent old man who didn't interrupt the last times. And with his cognizance declining into dementia as it is, he is likely to lash out more than once. Just listen to him yesterday when he issued "the challenge".

  Dementia can cause people to behave in ways that are physically or verbally aggressive

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4    2 months ago
Just listen to him yesterday when he issued "the challenge".

Yesterday he thought he was "Dirty Harry."   A good wind could blow him away.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4    2 months ago
ust listen to him yesterday when he issued "the challenge".

An interesting thing is to watch how many cuts it takes to do one of these videos. I think this one had six in 12 seconds and that's about average. There's a cut every few seconds in these videos..   Even a few sentences without editing  is too much for him 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2    2 months ago
 Even a few sentences without editing  is too much for him 

Joe Biden is not afraid of trump, in fact he will be invigorated by this.  The chances he will come off as a doddering droooling old fool are nil, although the deranged right wing media will try to paint it that way the next day. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago

You can bet your ass that Trump is going to get under his skin and Biden will start yelling. Not a good look for him to come across as a hothead.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.2.3  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.2    2 months ago
Biden will start yelling

Hopefully there won't be any chains onset or Biden may go all Cornpop on trump.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago

.  The chances he will come off as a doddering droooling old fool are nil, a

bold claim on a day Biden abuses executive power to keep a a tape of him acting like a doddering, drooling old fool from the public.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.4    2 months ago

Out of curiosity, how do you think Trump is going to come off in this debate ? 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.2.6  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.5    2 months ago

Like an arrogant bloviating jackass, but not Senile and out of touch like his opponent.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
4.2.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.2    2 months ago

Not a good look for him to come across as a hothead.

Lol.  It is so bizarre how you guys can say such stupid shit while defending everything about the world’s most infamous orange hued dotard.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2.7    2 months ago

this is what happens when people dont know what they are talking about but insist on talking anyway

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.5    2 months ago
, how do you think Trump is going to come off in this debate ? 

He'll be overly aggressive and it will look bad at times. He'll get off some good one liners. He'll feud with the moderators when they try and do Biden's job for him and generally make it a spectacle. . 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2.7    2 months ago
It is so bizarre how you guys can say such stupid shit

Trump isn't the one who threatens to punch people, including voters. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.2.11  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago

"Joe Biden is not afraid of trump, in fact he will be invigorated by this.  The chances he will come off as a doddering droooling old fool are nil, although the deranged right wing media will try to paint it that way the next day." 

He can't even form and utter a coherent thought these days, even WITH the help of a teleprompter. It's gonna be a bloodbath for Biden.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
4.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 months ago
Joe Biden is not afraid of trump, in fact he will be invigorated by this. 

Meaning he will only take 4 naps a day?

The chances he will come off as a doddering droooling old fool are nil,

Sounds like you have already made up your mind that he will be brilliant.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
4.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.8    2 months ago
this is what happens when people dont know what they are talking about but insist on talking anyway

Yep, happens all the time although they rarely recognize it in themselves.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2.7    2 months ago

It's fucking hilarious.  They hold their idol to no fucking standards whatsoever.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
5.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

"but Trruuummmmppppp!!!!" whining in 3...2...1...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1    2 months ago

Right now, there is some neurotic leftist female on X going nuts.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago
neurotic leftist female

Alyssa Milano? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.2    2 months ago

Well, that's one!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

Every rant from the former 'president' is projection, a confession in reverse.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6  Right Down the Center    2 months ago

Personally I think Trump should have insisted one done is at fox news as a condition to doing the other 2.  At least there is a better chance of honest moderators.  Bret Baier is a good choice.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    2 months ago

The Biden campaign already ruled out Fox News and if Trump demanded that now, the Biden people would claim that he is looking to get out of what he just agreed to.

Trump is so sure that Biden can't do a debate, that he has locked himself into what is likely to be two highly partisan debates.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 months ago
The Biden campaign already ruled out Fox News and if Trump demanded that now, the Biden people would claim that he is looking to get out of what he just agreed to.

Agree.  IMO Trump opened his mouth before thinking it through.  It is possible that the Biden folks planned on that happening but that might give them too much credit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.1    2 months ago
It is possible that the Biden folks planned on that happening but that might give them too much credit.

That would explain the taunting. Btw that short film of Biden challenging Trump had about 5 edits.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 months ago
That would explain the taunting. Btw that short film of Biden challenging Trump had about 5 edits.

That is only one edit per every 2 seconds.  Pretty good for Joe.  They should have gone with CGI Joe and hoped no one noticed

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
6.2  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    2 months ago

I did read where Trump had countered with an offer to do 4 debates total. I think one of the debates on Fox is a good choice to balance out the bias.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @6.2    2 months ago

I will find it hard to believe Biden would go along with that.  Maybe if the candidates know the questions in advance..........It seems CNN had no issue doing that for one candidate.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    2 months ago

There is a good chance that accepting these debates will be the biggest mistake Trump has ever made. 

Why? Because Biden will have the opportunity to put the "Big Lie" before the public, particularly the undecideds, in a way that it has never been done before and put Trump in a terrible an irredeemable light. 

On the few times since Jan 6 2021 that Trump has been interviewed by a non MAGA news source he has been able to avoid responsibility for the Big Lie because the interviewers dont want to be perceived as "anti-Trump". Biden will have no such restrictions. 

"Mr Trump, what were you doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th while police were being beaten at the nation's capitol?  Were you watching tv instead of attempting to end the riot? 

Mr Trump, show us the evidence you have that the election was stolen from you, not your endless bs, actual evidence.  Bring all the actual evidence you have to the second debate. When you cant produce ANY, the American people will see you for what you are. 

and on and on. 

Trump has not debated or been in an unfriendly interview since before Jan 6 2021,  and he has no answers. If Biden does this right he can win the election with these two debates.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago

Yup, that should drive somebody struggling to feed a family right over to Biden / S

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 months ago

Is Donald Trump going to buy everybody lunch from his own pocket? LOL. 

There are a lot of undecided voters who dont know the facts of "The Big Lie", and many of them will turn against Trump when they know the truth. 

Undecided voters at this stage are not going to vote on "the economy", they are going to vote on what their gut tells them about the candidates. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.1    2 months ago
Is Donald Trump going to buy everybody lunch from his own pocket? LOL. 

Were they better off under Trump or under Biden?

That is all Trump has to ask.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    2 months ago

Do you want someone who tried to overthrow our government to be president?

That is all Biden has to ask. 

The fact is that Trump has never explained himself concerning the events surrounding Jan 6th.  Never.  When Biden tells him to explain himself, what is Trump going to do? 

That is not a rhetorical question. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    2 months ago
That is all Biden has to ask.

Except that millions of Americans don't buy that bullshit definition of what happened that day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.4    2 months ago

He will not be appealing to brain dead MAGA. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    2 months ago
Do you want someone who tried to overthrow our government to be president?

No, I don't. That's why I'm voting for Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.6    2 months ago

You have shown time after time after time that you know absolutely nothing about what was uncovered by the J6 committee. 

Your credibility on this topic is non-existent. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.7    2 months ago
You have shown time after time after time that you know absolutely nothing about what was uncovered by the J6 committee

What were their recommendations for preventing it happening again? The WAS their original charge you know. Seems you know absolutely nothing about what the committee was formed for. It wasn't get Trump as it turned out to be.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
7.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.1    2 months ago

Their guts will tell them that Biden and the Dems have lied to them and let them down.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.4    2 months ago

So what exactly did happen that day when the former 'president' incited an insurrection?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.10    2 months ago

What "insurrection" did he incite?  There was a protest investigated but nobody was officiall cited for "inciting" anything.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.10    2 months ago
the former 'president' incited an insurrection

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.8    2 months ago

it is a waste of time to talk with people who know nothing about the evidence

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.13    2 months ago

That has not a fucking thing to do with what was posted. Care to try again?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.1.15  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.11    2 months ago

Trump is charged with leading a felony criminal conspiracy to commit insurrection against the United States of America!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @7.1.15    2 months ago

And you actually expect me to take YOUR word on that?  jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.13    2 months ago

So for once lets see your evidence.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    2 months ago
Do you want someone who tried to overthrow our government to be president?

You mean like Democrats?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.13    2 months ago
it is a waste of time to talk with people who know nothing about the evidence

Then present some.  To date all we've seen is flapping lips and failed "smoking gun" articles.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @7.1.15    2 months ago

He incited it.  Notice no answer as to exactly what happened during the incitement of an insurrection by the former 'president'

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.1.21  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.20    2 months ago

That is one stupid question so that may be your answer.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago

Before any of you start up with the deflecting, understand this. 

Donald Trump has NEVER explained his actions on Jan 6th, never explained his involvement with the Eastman memo, never explained why he was calling electors in various states, never explained why he told his Jan 6th rally audience that Pence should still follow the Eastman plan,  he has never answered in any even remotely specific way, for ANY of it. And the media wont push him to.  But Biden can. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
7.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    2 months ago

So, you're upset because he didn't say what you wanted him to say?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago
Because Biden will have the opportunity to put the "Big Lie" before the public, particularly the undecideds, in a way that it has never been done before and put Trump in a terrible an irredeemable light. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..........................................................Seriously can't stop laughing, Biden can't articulate a 3 word sentence on his own.........."pause"....................There isn't enough Ritalin in the word to get Biden to detail the Big lie................."pause".......................to sway anyone's vote. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.3    2 months ago

Thank you for the analyisis [removed][]

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
8  Dragon    2 months ago

I haven't watched political debates at any level for years as it is all nonsense talking, just babbling. I watch daily actions/words, platforms/policies supported. Debates are useless in my opinion, anyone watching has already made up their minds who they are voting for, only watch debates to criticize/make fun of opponent, no one really cares what is said. 

 
 

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