Major Turbulence
It would seem that the smooth flight of Kamala Harris and the long party in the US Stock Market have hit a bit of turbulence. As has already been reported on by one of our members, world markets are concerned with a coming recession:
Stocks plunged on Monday as U.S. recession fears caused turmoil throughout the global markets.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled 1,000 points, while the Nasdaq Composite and S&P 500 also fell by 3.9% and 3.2%, respectively.
A weak jobs report and shrinking manufacturing activity in the world's largest economy, coupled with dismal forecasts from the big technology firms, pushed the Nasdaq 100 and Nasdaq Composite into a correction last week.
"While Friday's employment report was disappointing, it wasn't the only worrisome economic indicator, only the latest," said Greg McBride, Bankrate's chief financial analyst. "Couple economic concerns with the cacophony of earnings disappointments and weak corporate outlooks, global unrest, and currency gyrations, and you have the recipe for sudden volatility."
Stocks Tumble On Us Recession Fears | Fox Business - Community | The NewsTalkers
In other words, the chickens are coming home to roost. This is what bad policy & reckless government spending does. Weak consumer spending has finally meant less sales and higher prices. A jump in the unemployment rate by a full percentage point is a symptom of a coming recession. One thing I am pleased about is that the "magnificent seven" tech companies got hammered. Like God's gift to the left, this gets hung on the incumbent regime, which includes Kamala Harris.
The other bit of turbulence for Harris/Biden is that Homeland Security released a report showing that 99 terrorists on the terrorist watchlist were released into the country:
Scathing report reveals Biden-Harris admin has released dozens of migrants on terror watchlist into US (msn.com)
That's going to be another hard one to explain by our lying media.
Meanwhile Biden and Harris were briefed on the pending war in the middle east:
Notice who is doing the talking.
In other news:
Ukraine and Russia are fighting for Toretsk, a city in the east long held by Ukraine.
A rocket attack targeting a base in Iraq wounded several American soldiers. The story thus far has been lightly reported.
The U.S. handed control of its last military base in Niger to local forces.
Debby arrived on Florida's Gulf coast as a Category 1 hurricane. At least five people died. Forecasters expect the storm to pass over Georgia and out to sea, before returning to the coast on Thursday.
The Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit that sought to delay Trump's sentencing in the preposterous Manhattan hush-money case until after the election.
As a surprise to nobody, Kamala Harris chose Tim Walz as her VP.
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Congrats and best wishes to Sen Tim Scott on his wedding:
No kidding ?! Where are Kevin and Tim going on their honeymoon ?
Question of the day:
Why would an undefeated debater suddenly throw in the towel?
Cuz she has a relief pitcher ... ?
Trump tried to throw out the first pitch once but he hit himself in the nuts with the ball.
Maybe he will do interviews.
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I'm sure Kamala will be giving many in the days to come, she has been understandably rather busy in the last two weeks.
I doubt that very much.
Of course she has, she has to fabricate her policies and hope people are gullible enough to believe any of it and forget her failures as VP.
Will be interesting to watch to see how she crafts herself as different from Biden. Biden lost a lot of support due to the functioning of his administration. Right or wrong, the sitting president always gets the blame when the economy is bad and this economy has really hammered the low and middle class groups. I believe the #1 and #2 issues according to the electorate is the economy and immigration. After her lies about the border being secure, how will she present herself.
If she ever talks to the press, it will be interesting to see how much of the Biden administration she retains and how much she tries to pass off as the other guy.
She's not going to be able to separate herself from Biden. She is too involved with it and the only people that will overlook it are the low IQ followers.
Her VP selection, really isn't going to do her any good either. He failed to act during the drug overdose riots in 2020, he supports "Sanctuary Shitholes" and open borders. He really is as much a problem as she is.
Meet Tim Walz
They won't have to worry about him outshining Harris.
He doesn't look any heavier than your hero. And I also see he has thinning, graying hair. I like the natural look on a man
You are just looking at his appearance?
What about substance? Didn't he pass a law allowing illegal migrants to have drivers' licenses in his state?
He also changed the state flag. Why?
I thought your comment was about his appearance
Because it was racist..DUH
I had to look it up to see what the controversy was.
Looks like he cares about other important issues, too
More from the same link (I can't help myself):
Says who?
I guess you only read my comments when they are insulting you. In the comment above it says who
So, the flag was offensive to "some" people because it had an Indian riding a horse?
I would have thought more of him if he put it to a vote.
It is what progressives do. The new flag is a joke btw.
What about the issue of the driver's licenses for illegal migrants?
Look. Kavika says its racist the Lt Governor said it was racist. They are Ojibwe, neither of us are.
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Why?
The name Minnesota is based on the Dakota Sioux word "Mnisota" (the native name for the Minnesota River) which means "cloudy water" or "sky-tinted water." All State Name Origins
Many counties and locations in Minnesota are derived from native American languages including Cree, Sioux and Dakota.
Most people wouldn't know that, thus making it unrelatable.
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Good to know that you prefer a racist flag to one that represents the population of MN.
Add, Michif and Ojibwa.
And I have American Indian friends who didn’t think it was racist
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Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Walz headed out on one of his runs. Last month he finished his first marathon, and before that he approached six-minutes miles in a Mankato 5-kilometer run. (Susan Hogan — Star Tribune/Star Tribune)
So the photo up top is not a recent photo
If ten years ago is recent then this one is. /s
Here is recent..........
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Thanks, Jim, it proves Walz can and has lost and gained weight. He is also a 20 years military (National Guard) assemblyman for 9 years, and a school teacher and is also a two-time governor of MN.
That is a personal thing, and I will give him credit for that.
But he was one of the blue state Governors during the 2020 riots who did nothing to stop the riots.
Oh, that is too funny, and of course not true since he called out the NG.
VERIFY: Gov. Walz, not President Trump, deployed the National Guard during the 2020 unrest
An agreement was also made with AIM, that's the American Indian Movmnt to protect areas of Minneapolis from the rioters.
Another fail on your part Vic.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say here as I cannot see the counter-argument in the entire thread. One could only say 'well duh, of course the governor calls out the National Guard' as he's the head. The only way Trump would get into that decision would be if the President nationalized the National Guard. And if the President nationalized the Guard for domestic issues, wouldn't that fall under the Posse Comitatus act? Or at least have court cases come as the result?
The argument that I see is that Walz delayed in calling out the National Guard, he even admitted to that in a press conference and called it a failure of his.
Ahh, ok. This posted and I saw your updates to your comment. Ok, yes Walz did eventually call out the National Guard to help stop the riots but even he admitted it was too late. And he's been criticized for his delays in action and being too slow to react to the looting, arson and rioting. This will be fodder during the campaign to be sure.
It is simply what I'm saying. Read the link.
From the link;
Just over a month later on June 19, 2020, former President Donald Trump wrote on Twitter (now known as X), he was actually the one to make the call, claiming he "Forced Democrat run Minnesota to bring in the National Guard & end rioting & looting after seeing the destruction & crime in Minneapolis."
Ok, problem is that I don't read your two links (from 3.2.5 or 3.2.7) as stating that Trump was the one who called out the MN National Guard, but that he forced the state to do it. Typical bragging from Trump, after all he is the 'greatest of all time' in his mind. The actual issue is that Walz waited four days before doing anything to stop the rioting & looting. Even Walz admits that was his failure and he owned it.
So in regards to what you are saying, I am saying you are wrong in your assertion. You are trying to state that Trump claims that he activated and called out the MN National Guard and he didn't.
Trump did claim just that read the above 3.2.6
he did not make any such call, that is my point.
Umm, I'm confused. Do you mean the link in your post of 3.2.5 ? Because post 3.2.6 is my post and doesn't mention Trump except the headline and one sentence where Trump is included with others who criticize Walz.
Going to the link in your post of 3.2.5 , it states :
That statement can also be read that Trump forced the democrat establishment in Minnesota to bring in the Guard, not that he did it himself.
Later in the article it states this :
I think we can also agree that tweets cannot call in the National Guard and there's nothing in this paragraph showing that Trump took any official act. I would like to think that we can agree that Trump has a long and sordid history of stupid tweets. But there's nothing there to indicate official acts.
Later on the link states :
I would love to see those actual tweets as the link doesn't provide any proof of this and it wouldn't be the first time an accusation was made without any evidence of proof. Did he actually brag that he initiated the NG in that instance? I don't know because I don't have those tweets and am not really interested in trying to find them. I'm not on X or Trumps version of it. But if you fall into the group that believes Trump lies to make himself look better (which I do) then I don't know why you would believe this without any direct evidence. And if you've done the research and have the evidence, then by all means post it. But without any real evidence, this is nothing more than Trump lies to make himself look good and some news organizations make up things without evidence because they want to.
And as far as your last sentence, the only way Trump could have gotten the National Guard out himself would have been to nationalize the MN National Guard and that would have taken much longer to do. And there would be evidence with Congressional records to show that the guard had been nationalized. We know that didn't happen, so of course Trump did not personally get the National Guard out there. At best he could have put political pressure on Walz to get Walz to activate the Guard.
During and after the riots Trump praised Walz for his handling of the riots then as usual started lying about Walz. Don't believe it, it was covered and recorded by almost all networks and it's on You Tub as well.
Trump is a liar, always has been, and always will b.
That is the end of my participation in this exchange.
Most recent episode of "Are You Smarter Than a Five fear Old?".
Trump has tried incessantly to take credit for the past three and a half years of the "Biden" stock market. If it falls on one day he refuses the credit. That is the story of his life and the current Republican Party.
By the way the market is expected to go back up some today.
The only one who gets credit for the Market performance is the Fed. They kept interest rates so damn low that investors borrowed cheap money to get returns of between 7-14% a year. The party is over. Inflation has caused business to cut back.
Harris/Biden will take all the blame if we get hit with a recession before the election.
You and Trump will blame them regardless of when the next recession happens, 2024 or 2030, whenever.
That does seem to be the standard in Washington, blame the other guy. Didn't Harris just blame Trump for last weeks bad jobs report...
I can't remember Trump saying anything positive about the country, economy or current administration in the past three years.
Hate to say it but Goebbels was right, repeat something often enough and people start to believe it.
That is all Trump seems to have.
market got back today 60% of what it lost yesterday. I await Trump taking credit for the rebound.
They are on the hook for any act of terrorism within this country as well.
As you know, I do hold people responsible for their actions.
That is called profit taking and it is temporary.
Generally speaking, that was true of Bush true, but we reelected him didn't we; funny how that shit works.
I too believe in Grandiose Narcissism.
Not the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist nor its' cult.
Good example of him being allergic to the truth.
I think that is an example of pure patriotism.
If he was truly willing he'd stop all his delay tactics and start the court proceedings.
The SCOTUS said there will not be a delay.
Isn't that good enough for you?
Don't you believe in Democracy?
Trump doesnt have a purely patriotic bone in his body.
I expect better, John.
And he doesn't give a flying rat's ass about democracy. He wants to destroy it or conform it to his image
Complete and utter BS.
Where is your outrage at all of Hunter's delay tactics?
Weiss and Garland are slow walking the charges against Hunter, and investigation into Hunter/Joe/and Joe's bro pay for play investigation into oblivion. Where is the speedy investigation Garland forced on Trump?
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Yet, court proceedings are being pushed back further and further. Apparently Trump's lawyers are not a part of what SCOTUS claimed.
Is Hunter running for president?
Hunter has been to court and is just awaiting sentencing, he did not delay the actual court case for years.
I also expect better from the former 'president'. Glad you finally do.
You got it despite the resistance.
It's not possible for the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist to do better. Scum is scum.
It's pretty obvious why strange Kamala snubbed Shapiro...gotta pander to the growing antisemitic pro-Hamas core of the Democrat party.
Antisemitism is now a very strong component of the democrat party.
Vic,
As a Jew, I don't want Shapiro, and obviously not because I am antisemitic, but because I fear growing antisemitism. There is a war going on in Israel, and if he is involved in any pro Israel decision will be seen as coming from him. There is already a growing idea that Jews are disproportionately involved in business and government, and this would only add to that. And I know a lot of Jews who feel that way.
btw... that would apply to either party.
Cat people for Harris-Walz
That is an odd view IMO. Shapiro is almost as popular in PA as Sununu is in NH. He could really help deliver PA to Harris. She needs all 4 midwestern battleground states. He would be able to be her spokesman as well. Nobody is going to think that her policy as president would be his via Israel.
There is already a growing idea that Jews are disproportionately involved in business and government, and this would only add to that.
That was the antisemitism of Europe almost a century ago. The antisemitism of today is based on Marxism and an idea that Israel is an oppressor.
And I know a lot of Jews who feel that way.
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Nobody is going to think that her policy as president would be his via Israel.
I think a number of progressives would.
I'm not Jewish but I think that's insulting. You don't know those people
He's running to be the Commissioner Of Jewish Sentiment
They don't seem to be bothered by the fact that she is married to a Jew. It is very strange isn't it?
They are practically voting for Hamas.
I was gonna ask who but never mind
I'm right here John, no need to talk around me.
The guy who retrieved his towel yesterday,
Vic,
It has nothing to do wth his popularity. It has to do with the concept that is already out there about Jews, having too much power, or influence or dual loyalty. With a war going on in Israel right now, it would be the worst time to have a Jewish VP on the ticket.
This is simply not true. They both exist. I can give you endless examples of it coming from both extremes.
Vic, this is not about being self-hating. You have no idea what it's like being Jewish. What people have actually said to my face because I don't "look" Jewish. Until then, you have no right to say someone is a self-hating Jew.
Who is?
Some people think that Jews who are not right wing supporters of Netanyahu are not really Jews.
I have to disagree on the basis of the antisemitism. This version of antisemitism which infects the democrat party is based on a perspective of Israel oppressing the Palestinians. It is a lie and Jewish Americans along with Christians should stand up against it.
Perrie, you have to be able to turn your head to the left to see it.
Vic, this is not about being self-hating. You have no idea what it's like being Jewish. What people have actually said to my face because I don't "look" Jewish. Until then, you have no right to say someone is a self-hating Jew.
As the father and grandfather of Jews, I have every right to confront antisemitism. The difference is I never trained my kids to think it would never come from the left.
Every American Jew who votes for Harris.
Did you hear her speech to CAIR?
Now that is insulting Vic. I can see the element in the Dems that is antisemitic. I can also see some with the Repubs. I just don't make sweeping comments about either. And frankly, this was about people at large, and not just within the party.
They are not Jewish, by your own admission. If this was Nazi Germany you might have a case then when a 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish-raised Catholic counted as a Jew. As for confronting it, sure go for it, as long as you realize it's everywhere.
And I raised my kids to know that it would come from anywhere. That's the difference.
wow......
"not really Jews", "self-hating Jews" - whats the difference?
There is no insult there and there is not both sides there. This is a democrat problem. I said right along that Harris would not pick Shapiro because it would upset the extreme antisemitic wing of the democrat party.
They are not Jewish, by your own admission.
Oh really, where was that admission?
If this was Nazi Germany you might have a case then when a 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish-raised Catholic counted as a Jew.
If this was Nazi Germany, we wouldn't have Jews voting for Hitler if he put a (D) after his name.
And I raised my kids to know that it would come from anywhere. That's the difference.
If you say so I believe you. I also have to believe that many American Jews were brought up to be liberal democrats who thought the democrat party would never come to hate them. But there is a wing of the democrat party that is now blatantly antisemitic.
Please direct me to that specific speech
How about you? Do you know what she said to CAIR?
I hope not, since that is about 1/2 of the Israelis.
You accidently copied something else.
Do you want the Harris speech to CAIR?
If you dont think there are right wing antisemites you are hiding your head in the sand.
You love Netanyahu, not everyone does, apparently including a lot of Jews. I occasionally look at Israeli newspapers and there is a lot of negativity about Netanyahu there.
Well, I hope not too, but reading "conservative" comments here and elsewhere , and looking at what Trump says about American Jews , I wonder.
why dont you post parts of this speech if it means that much to you, and stop beating around the bush
Here is what I think John:
WHEN THERE IS RAMPANT ANTISEMITISM ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES COMING FROM THE LEFT, WE SHOULDN"T HAVE TO SAY< BUT IT COMES FROM THE RIGHT TOO!
Right now we have a massive antisemitism problem coming from the democrat party.
She was secretly recorded and as soon as I find it I will post it.
Basically, she said among other things, that we should never use the term Islamic terrorist.
I'll wait until I see her exact words in context and not a conservatives analysis of it.
This has been known for years, but no one has cared. Back in Oct. 2020, the Washington Free Beacon reported that “as California’s attorney general and then as U.S. senator, Harris forged a relationship with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), one of the nation’s top anti-Israel groups and advocates for boycotts of the Jewish state.” After the Hamas massacres of Oct. 7, 2023, this matters more than ever.
CAIR, the Free Beacon added, “advised Harris on community issues during her time in California politics, and she later offered the group her ‘gratitude and admiration’ in a 2018 personal letter to the group.” Specifically, “Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR’s Los Angeles office, praised Harris in 2015 for including the group in an interfaith meeting with law enforcement officials. Harris, he said, ‘exemplified leadership’ by vowing to tackle Islamophobia at a time when the state’s Jewish institutions were facing threats.”
Vic,
Neither party hates us. There are a few blowhards that do. And for the record, I was brought up to think for myself, hence why I am an independent.
See if you can find the speech you have been advertising here.
Vic,
I don't believe much from the WFB and there is nothing wrong with fighting Islamophobia. All bigotry should be fought and 2015 isn't now. But please find me the actual speech and not the spin from the WFB, because I can't find it.
It was very hard to find it, but I knew it was taken via a cell phone and Harris was having a kind of secret meeting with CAIR.
It comes up early in the video, maybe around 1:08 and you'll hear her say it:
At about 1 min into the video
There is a wing of the democrat party that does.
You can see it if you want.
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Your vaunted clip lasted 15 seconds, with absolutely no context.
I thought you had the text to a speech.
Harris is no enemy of Israel.
This whole thread is evidence of your ignorance of Israel and Jews in general.
I too am a grandfather and cousin and uncle and great uncle to Jews, BFD, they are family first and foremost.
I watch a lot of streaming tv series made in Israel or the West Bank. They are fairly indistinguishable political or cop stories interlaced with the black market etc., good cop bad cop, love affairs and alcoholism.
The one thing some of the characters remind me of is the novel of interviews with black housekeepers of rich southern white women. "The Help"...Many Palestinians feel no different about their second class status in Israel, Gazza or the West Bank and it been that way since 1948.
First of all, it's not a secret if it is done in public.
Second, I would have liked to have some context for these comments.
Third, I obviously don't agree with her that there is no such thing as radical Islamic terrorism. I do know that Muslims have been targeted for hate crime (they have also been involved in some hate crime).
Finally, we do not know whether this was at CAIR or not.
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The difference is that the Black housekeepers were brought here in slavery while the Palestinians had choices to make in the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and every decade since. They made bad choices.
Bothered by what????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Very strange indeed.
This what I think:
We have two issues like what is coming from the college campuses and this:
So they need to be both addressed
To be fair, it’s people in the Democrat party not the Democrat party. The parties culpability enters when it doesn’t denounce those bigots/racists in the strongest term.
Which in general, it does not when the offender's are Dems. They tend to save that judgement for conservatives ..,
It is confined to one wing of the party. The wing that has been running the party since 2020.
Guess I am further out of the Democrat loop. I thought it would be Mark Kelly; because he was doing campaign ads with Democrat candidates from other states. His test balloon must have overinflated and popped.
Waltz isn't who I would have picked; but I said the same thing about Vance.
Willing to be Kamala's insurance policy is better than Trump's. If Trump wins back the White House guarantee Democrats attempt to impeach him.
Taking Kelly might have cost democrats that Senate seat, which would have likely gone Republican.
Waltz isn't who I would have picked
If you wanted a balanced ticket, you'd be right.
Oh, that's a given.
Living in Arizona, I would not have supported Mark Kelly. I've never liked him. The way he dragged Gabby Giffords out and used her as a prop for his campaigning, the games he has played with the 2nd Amendment and the simple fact that he votes 95% of the time following his party rather than representing the State of Arizona.
I don't know if Tim Waltz will help or hurt the Harris campaign as I don't know enough about him. He was a moderate while in Congress and became progressive as a Governor. We'll see how it all goes, but to be far it's Harris that gets to set the tone for the campaign. His job will be to fall in line with the platform.
As for Kelly possibly costing Democrats that Senate seat, the Arizona GOP has not been selecting good candidates for Senator for the past few cycles. Kelly won a special election in 2020 against Marth McMasters who IMO was a very weak candidate and again in 2022 against Blake Masters who is a far-right extremist.
The argument for Kelly (and I agree with you about him) is that he ran better than Biden did in Arizona. Shapiro, obviously, ran much better than Biden did in Pennsylvania. Walz actually underperformed Biden in Minnesota. . From a pure "who helps win an election" standpoint, every additional vote in Arizona and Pennsylvania is critical while Minnesota doesn't matter.
Yes, but who better than an astronaut to be able to deal with a bunch of space cadets in GovCo?
Mark Kelly hawked a pyramid scheme when he was between gigs.
The still overweight DOW rebounded 300 points to 39,000 today...
Americans with investments are way better off than 4 years ago!
The unemployment rate jumped a full percentage point.
That means business is cutting back. Recession is on the horizon. (God's gift to the right)
Vic to be fair , that usually happens in presidential election years , reason i have figured is to see who is going to win in nov .
And usually i have seen all it ends up being is delaying starting of projects that would hinge on whose elected policies would be operated under . so emphasis will be on completing current projects .
But it also has an effect on consumer spending as well , people will wait to see who will win in stead of speanding money , hold on to it until they see who wins .
Just my observations .
Perhaps. One of the flashing red signs of impending recession is the unemployment rate jumping 1/2 a point and usually happens before anybody officially comes out and says recession. Not to say it's definite, but it's more likely today. Current prognosticating however doesn't have it actually happening before 2025/2026.
I think a bigger impact to the election will be the September Fed meeting. Will they cut interest rates (yes, probably) and how large? A larger cut would be very good news for the Harris campaign as it could provide a quick bump to the economy which would make people happier with the current administration.
In that case the Market was roaring right after the debate and now that Harris has all but pronounced Queen, there is anxiety. What does that say?
And usually i have seen all it ends up being is delaying starting of projects that would hinge on whose elected policies would be operated under . so emphasis will be on completing current projects .
I doubt that is the case now.
But it also has an effect on consumer spending as well , people will wait to see who will win in stead of speanding money , hold on to it until they see who wins
People won't spend because they are working more hours to simply live as they did under Trump.
Just my observations .
And I haven't forgotten October of 2008.
Blah, blah, blah. Missing a jobs forecast ain't particularly noteworthy. The jobs forecast has been wide of the mark many times since the pandemic. An unemployment rate of 4.3 pct is still full employment so that's just whining at the moon. The Wall Street gamblers are making bets on WAGS and looking for any CYA excuse to hide their own stupidity.
The global economy is in the crapper and headed for recession. And the US Fed isn't in a position to bail out central banks around the world. We're still fighting inflation. If the Fed switches to easy money now to save the UK, Germany, Japan, and the BRICS then we are screwed.
You know, if the United States had an industrial based economy then this wouldn't be a problem at all. We'd be more insulated from a global recession. But, no, the financial shysters have to drag us down the toilet to save their own asses.
Tim Walz represented the Minnesota 1st district (borders Iowa) from 2006 to 2018. The Minnesota 1st district is decidedly conservative and today is Trump country. Walz ran for governor in 2018 because he had no chance of reelection in the House race.
People don't seem to want to understand that the Democratic Farmer Labor Party (DFL) of MN was more like Eisenhower Republicans; typical of conservative Democrats. The DFL was corrupted by the national Democratic Party which has transformed Minnesota into a purple state. Tim Walz' political roots are more Republican than Democrats want to acknowledge.
The question is whether or not Democrats are trying to revive the political legacy of Ronald Reagan. Tim Walz' positions as a House Rep. were consistent with those of Reagan Democrats, like Clinton and Biden. Walz may have been selected to serve as a Joe Biden, Jr., in a possible Harris administration. But Tim Walz may not be capable of blunting Harris' left wing proclivities; Walz is too affable for that role.
Good! I want a moderate Democrat!
I'm not so sure he is a moderate anymore. From what I read, a lot of his work as governor has been rather progressive than moderate. He's been lambasted a lot for his Covid policies.
Progressive is a good word, not a dirty word. Wouldn't you rather move forward than backwards? It also doesn't make him far left
It can be a good word and some progressive policies can be good. But just like right-leaning policies can go too far, I think Tim went a little too far left with some of his policies. I mean, a hot line to rat out your neighbors if they left their house?
was that during Covid? If so, that is extreme. Some people still had to go to work (I did), and if you didn't buy groceries you were going to starve
You want a Joe Manchin style Democrat? Because that's what Democrats are getting with Tim Walz. Tim Walz can support abortion, gay rights, and affirmative action like any liberal. But Walz can cut taxes, limit government, and be as business friendly as any Republican.
Sure, why not? I could even go for an Eisenhower Republican right now. Whatever you think of me, I'm not a far left liberal.
Yeah, left center seems to consistently come through. And compromise with the right center has historically been achievable. Unfortunately that's an old-fashioned normal. GenZ doesn't have a clue because they have never experienced that kind of normal.
Today's problem is that the extremes take hostages (like Hamas) and negotiate for a ceasefire in-place rather than a compromise.
That's not true at all. The DFL is a fusion of the Democratic Party and the Farmer Labor Party which was explicitly progressive and aligned with socialists. The farmer labor party was never, in any sense of the word, conservative, and pulled the DFL well to the left of the mainstream national democrats.
Tim Walz' political roots are more Republican than Democrats
The liberal pundit, Johnathon Chait, called him the most left wing governor in the country, as one would expect from someone with DFL roots.
That is simply not true. Democrats have pushed and rewritten the history but that doesn't make it true. That narrative ignores the Scandinavian influence on Minnesota politics. It is true that Scandinavians tend to be social liberals (and could be viewed as farther left than Democrats) but they're extraordinarily conservative otherwise. Farmers tend to be hard nosed conservatives on the things that matter.
It wasn't that long ago that there was a split in the DFL to sever ties with the national Democratic Party. In the end money won out. Now a lot of traditional DFL members have turned Republican. Southern Minnesota really is Trump country and that's not going to change.
Tim Walz is a farmer from Nebraska. Gwen Walz is Minnesotan. Walz couldn't have won 6 House terms by being left wing on fiscal issues, environmental issues, or energy issues.
Tim Walz seems to be moderate because he is liberal on the ass-grabbing stuff and he is conservative on the governing stuff. Walz doesn't straddle the fence; he hops from one side to the other.
I don't even know how this is debatable. It's not some giant conspaticy. From Wikipedia on the party's founding:
Do you know who the Workers Party was? It was the front for the American Communist Party. The idea that these were a bunch of Eisenhower Republicans is absurd.
W alz couldn't have won 6 House terms by being left wing on fiscal issues, environmental issues, or energy issues.
Do you consider Barack Obama a right winger too? He won Walz's district twice and sure didn't have a problem wining the state. Nor did the the state have any problem electing the man most widely considered to be the most progressive man in the Senate of his era (Paul Wellstone) either.
Minnesota has voted for the Democrats as reliably as any other state since FDR. Only Eisenhower and Nixon (in 72) have won there as Republicans. I don't think any other state has been that reliably democratic for that long.
another ridiculous "debate"
I suggest starting from a firm foundation. Another Wiki that might be informative:
Trump: “I am willing to go to jail if that’s what it takes for our country to win and become a democracy again.”
What a coincidence. Millions of citizens are also willing to put Trump in jail if that’s what it takes for our country to win and become a democracy again.
but your link indicates that it was reported by the lying media,
so should we believe it?
/s
Too bad you didn't address that to me.
I had a great answer.
Well they are your words from your article, so don't be shy.
Your adoring audience apparently awaits.
... and all of his readers.
Someone is really starved for attention!!!!!!!!!!!1
that is a winning agenda
I think he genuinely likes kids
video
Line to get into Harris rally in Philly today. Six blocks long.
There are reports on twitter that 47,000 people requested tickets for the rally in Detroit tomorrow.
another video of people lining up for harris rally today
"Willing to"? Like you have a choice. You're going to jail because you're a criminal, it has nothing to do with you wanting Orban's version of Democracy.