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Remembrance

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  3 months ago  •  201 comments

Remembrance
Several, including Gee’s mother-in-law Christy Shamblin, took the stage at last month’s Republican National Convention to praise Trump’s response to the tragedy. “While Joe Biden has refused to recognize their sacrifice, Donald Trump spent six hours in Bedminster with us,” Shamblin said in Milwaukee. “He allowed us to grieve. He allowed us to remember our heroes,” she added.


Yesterday was the third anniversary of the Abbey Gate bombing that killed 13 US service members. It will always be remembered as Biden’s Afghanistan debacle.

Former President Donald Trump visited Arlington National Cemetery and joined the families of the fallen to remember. Tulsi Gabbard was also there, and she gave her endorsement to Trump.

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Neither Joe Biden, who was on vacation nor Kamala Harris, who had the day off, appeared. 

Instead, the White House issued  statements  in both their names.

The Biden one even listed all 13 names, though he’d  forgotten  their very existence during his July debate with Trump, when he proudly boasted that no American military had died in combat on his watch. To this day Biden still considers the withdrawal a success, despite his top Generals testifying under oath that he ignored warnings about the withdrawal he demanded.

And Kamala Harris took a knee for George Floyd, but couldn’t even be bothered to show up yesterday to honor the 13 fallen heroes that lost their life in Afghanistan.

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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Good morning

Let us never forget those who serve this country.

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This combination of photos released by the 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton/U.S. Department of Defense shows 12 service members killed in the Kabul airport bombing in Afghanistan on Aug. 26, 2021. AP

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

Why was the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist there?  He can't be bothered to honor any others who died giving their lives because to him they're suckers and losers and 'what's in it for them'?

So why was he there and who are most of those others who have no relation to the family of the soldier????????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

Where was Kamala?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 months ago

Is this something VPs normally attend if the President is not there?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago

What's in it for him to be there?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    3 months ago

She is running for President so it would have looked good for her as the potential upcoming Commander in Chief to be there. And where was Biden? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 months ago

Is this something the President or the Vice President, if the President wasn't there, would be present for at any rate?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    3 months ago

He is also a candidate and running to be the next President and Commander in Chief. It's a good look for a candidate to take the time to honor the troops and the fallen. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.7  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    3 months ago

Like the President of the United States of America should participate in a pandering staged Trump campaign photoop event?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1.1.7    3 months ago

from "suckers and losers" to maga campaign props...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.9  JBB  replied to  devangelical @1.1.8    3 months ago

True! MAGA got nothing but false grace!

They cannot be taken seriously anymore.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.10  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @1.1.9    3 months ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.8    3 months ago

Ya, that's all these deceased soldiers and their families are to the former 'president' and maga - 'campaign' props - you got that right.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.1.9    3 months ago

They never have been taken seriously.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.1.7    3 months ago

Silly me, I thought it was an annual event, turns out it was as you and others have said and proven that it was merely a staged 'campaign' event and photo-op, an illegal campaign event, on the grounds.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 months ago
Why was the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist there? 

A much better question would have been:

Where were Joe and Kamala?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.13    3 months ago
an illegal campaign event,

I don't suppose you can back that up with any facts.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
1.1.16  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.15    3 months ago

I would not hold my breath if I were you. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

Trump Campaign Used Section 60 for Campaign Stunt

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2  Just Jim NC TttH    3 months ago

Listened to Tulsi's speech yesterday with Trump at the National Guard event in Detroit. Sooooo much easier to listen to than Harris. Wish Trump had chosen her for VP.

Actually, if the dems had chosen her over Biden. I would have voted Dem for only the second time in my life.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 months ago

Right now, she is helping him prepare for the debate.

As you know, Gabbard beat Harris brains in during the DNC debate.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 months ago

She sure did. I remember it well.....

 
 
 
George
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2.1.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 months ago
Gabbard beat Harris brains in during the DNC debate.

That is assuming she had any to start with, She did beat here like a rented mule, or ass if you prefer.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.3  JBB  replied to  George @2.1.2    3 months ago

Then why is Gabbard a has-been and Harris will be President?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    3 months ago

Biden needed a DEI pick, and so did the bosses who run the Democratic Party.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    3 months ago

"Neither Joe Biden, who was on vacation nor Kamala Harris, who had the day off, appeared." 

Kamala is a never has been, and a never will be.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.2  Gazoo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 months ago

No word salads, no sudden fits of uncontrollable cackling. Dems pushed a good one out the door.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    3 months ago

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what does this picture make you think ? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 months ago

A candidate reaching out to the families of fallen service members.  You know, the opposite of what we are seeing from Biden, Harris and the rest of the Democrats.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    3 months ago

Yes, that is what I see as well.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    3 months ago

It makes me think everyone in the picture is a Trump voter doing a photo op.

What is the meaning of giving a thumbs up , in front of a camera, while standing directly over a dead soldiers grave? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 months ago

John, not every person who has lost someone in the military or at the hands of an illegal migrant is a Trump voter.

I'm sure there may be one or two voting for Harris.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 months ago
What is the meaning of giving a thumbs up

Ask them.  Maybe there are just happy that somebody, even a former POTUS, took the time to meet with the families.  Something nobody from the Biden administration has yet to do.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 months ago

Was there a second anniversary ceremony at Arlington Nation Cemetery last year? Was Trump there? I couldnt find anything about that.   What is so significant about a third anniversary? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    3 months ago

Ask the families that question.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 months ago

It's an obvious photo-op which I knew before I saw this comment.  Who the hell thumbs-up dead soldiers/memorials?

A 'man' who calls veterans who gave their lives to service and gave their all - losers.

Obvious photo-op to any one with a lick of sense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.7    3 months ago

excuse me - 'suckers and losers'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 months ago

DING, DING, DING, that's the correct answer - Photo Op

trump voters standing in front of a camera standing over a dead soldiers' grave

Because you always smile and give a thumbs up in memory of the dead at a somber memorial service

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    3 months ago

Makes me think those that suffer TDS will find any reason to hate; no matter if it is valid or not.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 months ago

Photo-op?

Who thumbs up a dead person/memorial?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    3 months ago

See 3.1.4

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 months ago

Who orchestrated or arranged this event?

Were the current POTUS or VP even invited?

Were the House members from each soldier's home state invited?

Why didn't they attend?

Their state Senators?

Did any Senators attend?

Why are they giving the thumbs up signs at a gravesite?

Arlington is sacred ground and should be treated as such...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @3.3    3 months ago

I havent seen any of that information. 

I think the thumbs up at the gravesite gives us a good idea of what was going on here though.

It seems to be a campaign event for Trump, in a way. 

If the families are complicit with that, I dont know. I hope not. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.2  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.1    3 months ago

Only 4 house members showed up. Issa, Mast, Waltz and Mills.

The organizers and families who attended hate Biden & Harris.

No Senators were present.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.2    3 months ago

it was a campaign stunt, forbidden within arlington...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.3.4  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @3.3    3 months ago
Who orchestrated or arranged this event?

The families of the soldiers. 

Were the current POTUS or VP even invited?

Ask the families but seeing how it was the current POTUS and VP that got their loved ones killed in the first place and  Biden's disrespect when the bodies were brought back to this country, I doubt it. 

Were the House members from each soldier's home state invited? 

Again ask the families. 

Why didn't they attend?

Ask the congressmen. 

Their state Senators?

Again ask the families. 

Did any Senators attend?

Ask the Senators but I do not think any did. 

Why are they giving the thumbs up signs at a gravesite?

Why not? Maybe it was to show the unity of the group in their honoring those men. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.5  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @3.3.4    3 months ago
Ask the families but seeing how it was the current POTUS and VP that got their loved ones killed in the first place

Ridiculous assertion. These were brave volunteers who enlisted or reenlisted for many reasons. No POTUS, certainly no VP has ever held a gun to someone's head and forced them to volunteer.  War is a shitty unpredictable business.  Some of the families understood this, it does not diminish their grief.

and  Biden's disrespect when the bodies were brought back to this country

Yes it was so disrespectful of the aging POTUS and his wife to stand on a hot tarmac for an hour and then make sure they met each member of each family over the next few hours.  The same three families who thought Biden was disrespectful are the same three that tried to organize this Arlington wreath laying.  They are both angry and partisan, they invited Trump because they are Trumpers, nothing wrong with that.

What was wrong was thinking that they could give permission for the Trump campaign to use their own photographers in Area 60,  It was not their place to give that permission, the cemetery supplies video and photos for non commercial and non-political events and prohibits private photographers, period.

Maybe it was to show the unity of the group in their honoring those men. 

What they did was piss off non partisan families whose gravesites were disturbed by a brazenly political photo op.  they could have taken pictures with trump outside the gates of Arlington to much better effect.

but thanks for trying to be John Russell, I don't think he needs any help.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.3.6  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.5    3 months ago
Yes it was so disrespectful of the aging POTUS and his wife to stand on a hot tarmac for an hour

Yes it was disrespectful as he stood as he stood there checking his watch every couple minutes acting like the whole ceremony was beneath him. Maybe he wanted an ice cream or something and they were cutting into his time. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.3.7  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.5    3 months ago
These were brave volunteers who enlisted or reenlisted for many reasons. No POTUS, certainly no VP has ever held a gun to someone's head and forced them to volunteer.

All true but the POTUS and by extension the VP being the heads of the administration are responsible for putting them in the position to be killed. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.3.8  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.5    3 months ago

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Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.3.9  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @3.3.6    3 months ago
Yes it was disrespectful as he stood as he stood there checking his watch every couple minutes acting like the whole ceremony was beneath him.

Partisan conjecture based on one picture.

Maybe he wanted an ice cream or something and they were cutting into his time. 

Childish criticism. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.3.10  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @3.3.7    3 months ago
ll true but the POTUS and by extension the VP being the heads of the administration are responsible for putting them in the position to be killed.

Then you should have been really irate from 2017 to 2021 when 65 US troops died in combat because Trump and Pence put them into a position to be killed.  45 combat deaths in Afghanistan alone.

How many dignified transfers at Dover did Trump attend?

After being berated by a grieving father for incompetence in 2017, Trump refused to go to Dover for 2 years until deaths of four Army members from a suicide bomber in Syria.

In total Trump went to Dover 4 times for nine deaths to Mike Pence's 8 times.

Overall there were 96 dignified transfers for 127 service members that the Trump Administration put in a position to be killed

Per your logic Trump and Pence are responsible for their deaths and failed to show up for 84 of 96 dignified transfers.

Way to go team Trump./s  Trump and Pence stopped going to Dover after 02/10/2020.

During the Doha negotiations, Trump declared he was done going to Dover as he had been there, "many, many" times and greeted many, many service men and women home. Ivanka doubled down later that week about attending many DTs and how it steeled Trump's commitment to end foreign wars.  She was there twice.  Lying seems to run in the family.

Dover personnel complained that it was like a tourist stop for Trump, sometimes bringing Melania, Jon Voight, Matt Gaetz, Ivanka and Jared, Jared's father and myriad other campaign staff, anyone who was on Trump One during the non stop campaign.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.4  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 months ago

Trump breaking more protocol ?  possibly the federal law again?

A photography-related "incident" occurred at Arlington National Cemetery Monday during a visit by former President Donald Trump, leading to a report being filed, the cemetery said in a statement to ABC News.

While the cemetery did not immediately provide specifics,   NPR reported   that a source had told the publication that two Trump campaign officials engaged in a verbal and physical altercation with a cemetery staff member during Trump's visit, which came on the third anniversary of the deaths of 13 service members during the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

The alleged altercation took place after the Trump campaign officials were asked not to take photos and videos in Section 60, a section of the cemetery where recent U.S. veterans are buried, NPR reported.

MORE: New Trump indictment loses some allegations related to Jan 6, effort to influence DOJ officials

When contacted by ABC News on Tuesday night, a representative for the Arlington National Cemetery released a statement that confirmed an "incident" but didn't provide specifics.

"Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate's campaign. Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants. We can confirm there was an incident, and a report was filed, " the statement read.
 
 
 
devangelical
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3.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.4    3 months ago

oops, another maga trumpster facing federal charges...

trump 2024 campaign snafu...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.4.2  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @3.4.1    3 months ago

more pardons if Trump prevails.../s

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.4    3 months ago

Bunch of deplorable shameless thugs.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4  Robert in Ohio    3 months ago

Suddenly Trump cares about vets and honors them - after some of his past comments, this seems like blatant political showmanship more than anything real.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    3 months ago

It was at Arlington where Trump visited the grave of John Kellys son and said "what was in it for them?".

Trump Questioned Kelly's Son's Sacrifice on Memorial Day Grave Visit: Report - Business Insider

"He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there's no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker," the unnamed general said. "There's no money in serving the nation."
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 months ago
the unnamed general said.

Common out and say it for us.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    3 months ago

I have yet to hear POS John Kelly actually tell us specifically what Trump supposedly said. Everyone else says he would never say that.

Why hasn't Kelly done an interview on it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    3 months ago
Everyone else says he would never say that.

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evilone
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4.2.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    3 months ago

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @4.2.2    3 months ago

No redeeming qualities whatsoever to be found in that pitiful excuse of a human being...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  evilone @4.2.2    3 months ago
Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.

I think the reason Kelly hasnt said this on camera is because he is afraid of death threats that would result against his family, and himself. 

A lot of the brain damaged who would threaten him cant read, so if its just in print the threats wont get as bad. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @4.2.2    3 months ago

We shouldn't forget also that the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist is holding a gala awards benefit at one of his golf courses for the terrorists on 1/6.

Isn't that some kind of admission of guilt regarding 1/6 and how he incited it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @4.2.2    3 months ago

It sounded like he was simply citing what the "unnamed" had said.

No interview from him on this subject?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.7  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.6    3 months ago
It sounded like he was simply citing what the "unnamed" had said.

You can go about partisanly oblivious to Trump's character, it's your prerogative to do so. It's quite another thing to try to gaslight the rest of us on it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @4.2.7    3 months ago

Speaking of gaslighting where was the great Kamala?

Is it true she that she is hijacking Trump's policy positions?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    3 months ago

Why was he there?

He's not President.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.9    3 months ago

Free country ring a bell?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.9    3 months ago
Why was he there?

For those families.

He's not President.

Where was the current president?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.11    3 months ago

Why?  Does he know those families?  He has no respect for the military.  Why would he be there other than for a photo op.  He never went to any memorials while 'president'.

President Biden's on vacation.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.12    3 months ago
Does he know those families?

He has met with them. Did the current president ever meet with them.


President Biden's on vacation.  

His second one. He just got back from one.


Who is running the country?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  evilone @4.2.7    3 months ago

They are waiting for Trump to shoot Kelly in the middle of 5th avenue before they believe him. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.2.15  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    3 months ago
Is it true she that she is hijacking Trump's policy positions?

Well son of a gun, but she sure is a flip-flopper...   Here's the latest.

If she's elected president,   Kamala Harris   pledges to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the wall along the southern border — a project she once opposed and called "un-American" during the Trump administration.

Why it matters:   It's the latest example of Harris flip-flopping on her past liberal positions such as supporting   Medicare for All   and banning   fracking   — proposals that aides say she now is against.

Harris flip-flops on building the border wall (axios.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.13    3 months ago

Why did he meet with them?

Why specifically would President Biden meet with them?

Who ran the country when the former 'president' and convicted felon and rapist was on vacation?

Who runs the country when any other President is on vacation??????????????????????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.15    3 months ago

Suddenly they want a wall after letting millions walk in.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.16    3 months ago
Who runs the country when any other President is on vacation

The Vice President. So, where was Kamala?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.16    3 months ago
Why specifically would President Biden meet with them?

Because he is 

1) the president

2) very responsible for the death of those soldiers.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.2.20  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.17    3 months ago

Maybe they finally discovered in Chicago that walls do make an impact.  hehe

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.19    3 months ago

Does the President meet with all fallen soldiers families?

2 is not true

Was President Biden there for the 1st and or 2nd 'remembrance'?  Why would he be at the 3rd?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.21    3 months ago

Biden was looking at his watch when those bodies were returned.

If Biden had listened to his Generals, that incident could have been avoided.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.22    3 months ago

I note you didn't answer the question which means I am correct, as I usually am.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.23    3 months ago
I am correct, as I usually am.

Good to know.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.25  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    3 months ago
Speaking of gaslighting where was the great Kamala?

Deflecting won't work either. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.26  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.22    3 months ago
If Biden had listened to his Generals, that incident could have been avoided.

If Trump had listened to his Generals and hadn't negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban prisoners it also might have been avoided. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
4.2.27  Gazoo  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.15    3 months ago

A $1000 says if elected she’ll flip flop again, reverting to her radical left ways.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gazoo @4.2.27    3 months ago

Count on it. Right now she is doing what her handlers are telling her to. And that is "win even if you have to lie your ass off. We can make adjustments later".

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
4.2.29  arkpdx  replied to  Gazoo @4.2.27    3 months ago

removed for context

She is a liberal and a Democrat. That iß SOP for them as is spending other people's money and/or giving it to those who don't deserve it. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2.30  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @4.2.29    3 months ago
That iß SOP for them as is spending other people's money and/or giving it to those who don't deserve it. 

Like the Trump era Farm Aid packages to farmers totaling $16 as a result of damages caused by Trump China tariffs and $12 billion for Turkie and the EU tariffs?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.2.31  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    3 months ago
Everyone else says he would never say that.

Yet everyone else wasn't there, John Kelly was. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.2.32  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.10    3 months ago

Free country ring a bell?

Photo Op ring a bell?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2.33  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.22    3 months ago

Bullshit.

The statement also said that CENTCOM’s investigation was a “comprehensive, credible, and definitive investigation” into the attack, and that the bombing “was not preventable without degrading the mission to maximize the number of evacuees, and the leaders on the ground followed the proper measures and procedures.”

Families of troops killed in Abbey Gate bombing in Afghanistan demand accountability in emotional testimony | CNN Politics

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.2.34  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.30    3 months ago

Did Biden extend those tariffs?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2.35  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.34    3 months ago

By and large Biden did nothing. In typical protectionist mode he was actually going to increase the tariffs 08/01 but delayed because of industry pushback from EV manufacturers and US steel companies.

The decision is politically tricky. Dialing back the duties could draw criticism from Republicans that Harris will take a softer stand on China trade in a campaign where Trump has vowed to hit Chinese imports with hefty tariffs. Proceeding with the original hikes would draw complaints about higher costs, even from some Democrats in Congress.
US industry seeks easing of steep Biden-Harris China tariff hikes (msn.com)

China promises retaliation against more bullying from both Trump or Biden asking "have you lost your minds"

although I only took Mandarin long enough to realize I should stick to German and Russian.... 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.36  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.19    3 months ago
very responsible for the death of those soldiers

trump negotiated the release of the taliban from an afghanistan prison without the representation of the afghanistan gov't.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.3  George  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    3 months ago
this seems like blatant political showmanship more than anything real.

Welcome to a presidential election, trump pretends to respect veterans and Harris pretends to be human and competent.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
4.3.1  arkpdx  replied to  George @4.3    3 months ago
Harris pretends to be human and competent.

She is not good at doing either. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.4  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    3 months ago

Something we agree on.  I'll have to mark it on the calendar.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.4.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.4    3 months ago

Tessy

I think if we discussed issues rather than just shouting at each other, you would find we agree on more than you think.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.4.1    3 months ago
I think if we discussed issues rather than just shouting at each other,

Good luck with that.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.4.3  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @4.4    3 months ago

nothing trump has done against our military gets by him...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 months ago

Trump shows up while Biden and Harris send out "statements".   

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago

What do you expect Harris - Walz to do while Trump self-immolates?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @5.1    3 months ago

Read the article and my link.  Try to pay attention.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago

Two of a kind.

Both dumb as rocks. Obviously, they don't respect the military.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago

So dumb they are going to beat Trump by ten million votes...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    3 months ago

And lose the electoral vote?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.2    3 months ago

The problem with your false bravado is that it is false...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @5.2.3    3 months ago

There is no logical reason for your irrational optimism. Harris' approval is as high as it's ever going to be. She hasn't even got a convention bounce.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago

'Both dumb as rocks'

jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

The former 'president' has no respect for the military.  He calls them suckers and losers so again, why was he there????

Photo-op

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.5    3 months ago
The former 'president' has no respect for the military. 

Apparently, he does!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.6    3 months ago

Apparently?  How?

What's in it for him?

A photo op is all this was, plain and simple.  Proof being he never went to any memorials of soldiers while 'president'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.7    3 months ago

Did you notice what the Harris campaign did when Trump honored those soldiers?

They talked about the debate. They implied they wanted rule changes. In other words, they tried to distract from what Trump was doing.

Too late. The nation's leading news network covered the whole thing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.8    3 months ago

No one cares what the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist does except his cult.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.9    3 months ago

No one cares? Look around you. See those hit pieces and comments all over the site? That is far from nobody.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.9    3 months ago

The plethora of articles about Trump here every day, many seeded by liberals, prove that is utterly false.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.2.12  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    3 months ago
Obviously, they don't respect the military.

Um, Walz served for 24 years... How many did trump serve? None.. He doesn't respect the military. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.13  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.12    3 months ago

Waltz served in the National Guard ( you know what that is, the service that the left disparaged Bush 44. I guess it different when you are a lefty). He also never served in a combat zone and quit the service six months early to avoid going with his unit to Iraq. Oh and tell me what branch of the service did Harris serve in?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.14  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    3 months ago

The ones that are dumb are those that are going to vote for the DEI candidate who has never received a single vote for president in her entire life.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.15  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.8    3 months ago
The nation's leading news network

only when it comes to massive defamation settlements...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.2.16  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.11    3 months ago
many seeded by liberals

How do you know they are liberals?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.17  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.13    3 months ago
Waltz served in the National Guard ( you know what that is, the service that the left disparaged Bush 44. I guess it different when you are a lefty).

Thanks for denigrating the National Guard, classy.

He also never served in a combat zone

Bussh declared a Global War on Terror in 2003 and Walz and his unit deployed to Italy and Turkey as part of Operation Enduring Freedom making Walz and his NG unit eligible to wear the Global War on Terror Serice Medal. He may not have been in a combat zone but he and his unit carried loaded sidearms and M-16s providing  security for the USAF airfields overseas while the USA according to Bush was in a state of war.

and quit the service six months early to avoid going with his unit to Iraq.

Trashy misinformation. In order for Walz to have retired in May of 2005 he would have to had put in his retirement request sometime between October and December of 2004, 6 months after returning from an 8 month deployment and 7 months before the rumors of deployment started.  

Oh and tell me what branch of the service did Harris serve in?

Thats rich considering the number of deferments Trump got for unproven bone spurs.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.14    3 months ago

Kamala Harris has received hundreds of thousands of votes for several terms as a DA, an AG, millions for a US Senator and  81 million votes as Joe Bidens life insurance policy.

Certainly 82 plus million votes more than anyone here.  A vote for Biden in the Democratic primaries was another nod of approval for her as that life insurance policy.

That's over 96 million votes of approval.

Don't agree, don't vote for her.

Easy Peasy

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.19  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.17    3 months ago
Thanks for denigrating the National Guard, classy.

Did not and never have denigrated The National Guard. The left, however, did when Bush 44 was running for office. 

He may not have been in a combat zone but he and his unit carried loaded sidearms and M-16s providing security for the USAF airfields

There are service men stationed in the US that carry loaded weapons also. Are you claiming them to be in combat also. 

Trashy misinformation. In order for Walz to have retired in May of 2005 he would have to had put in his retirement request sometime between October and December of 2004,

Apparently he did since he did retire before his unit deployed to Iraq. 

Thats rich considering the number of deferments Trump got for unproven bone spurs.

Unless you can prove did not in fact have none spurs you comment is useless. Tell me what did Billy Clinton do to not get drafted. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.20  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.16    3 months ago

Oh please! Your kidding right?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.21  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.19    3 months ago
The left, however, did when Bush 44 was running for office. 

The left denigrated Bush because he was a marginal pilot who never should have had wings after the first crash in training.  Definitely not after the second hard landing in training.  The charges of nepotism and favoritism for the Governor were real.

Even when George became fairly proficient at flying a terrible lead sled of a jet, he came back from a long patrol of the California Coast and had another hard landing in TX. That airframe had to be retired and became the static F102 mounted near the entrance to the base.

Not too many people knew about that or cared, but even after 3 crashes, the Governors son was promoted and then he deliberately sank his military career by skipping training hours and a mandatory physical, losing his pilot status and rank and not fulfilling his contract. He chose politics instead.

He deserved the criticism but overcame it because GOP voters just don't care about that shyte unless a DEM does it.

There are service men stationed in the US that carry loaded weapons also.

Only base Security and investigative units like NCIS or units training on a firing range, pretty much everyone else is prohibited except the Sentinels at the Tomb of The Unknown soldier.

Are you claiming them to be in combat also. 

No, how can you even ask that question? While Walz's unit was in Italy and Turkie relieving troops that had been sent to the front line, they were part of Operation Enduring Freedom and participating in Bush's War on Terror. Bush called it a war, the Army called it a war. Not everyone saw combat but it was still a war.

Apparently he did since he did retire before his unit deployed to Iraq. 

He applied to retire in late 2004, approved in April 2005 to retire in May 2005. The unit was warned in July that they MIGHT BE DEPLOYED in the near future. That became official 4 months later. They actually went to Iraq in March of 2006.  

If you were eligible to retire and had a second career in mind would you hang around for months or years in case they needed you?

I think not.

Unless you can prove did not in fact have none spurs you comment is useless. Tell me what did Billy Clinton do to not get drafted. 

Lol, my comment is useless? 

Actually comparing both former Presidents deferment history is eye opening.  Both enjoyed multiple renewed S-2 status every time they were reclassified as 1A.  Trump actually was forced to go to the draft board and took the physical, possibly the first mention of bone spurs and classified 1Y eligible for war or national emergency but his lottery number was 356 and he was later reclassified 4F when 1Y was eliminated.

Clinton tried to enlist and canceled, tried for a Naval reserve position which was granted but he accepted a once in a lifetime scholarship to Oxford and went to England instead earning another "deferment" because Draft Boards across the country were routinely holding back any Rhoads Scholars' paperwork.

Clinton took the enlisted physical in between semesters at Oxford and was 1A.  He returned to Oxford. Some many months later he received snail mail from the Draft board to report, but the mail had taken three months to arrive and the draft board again extended his deferment to complete the semester at Oxford. Clinton failed the physicals for both Air Force and Naval OCS. He arranged to both return to Oxford and join the University of Arkansas ROTC.

That year Nixon began to make the policy change that student deferments should be to graduation instead of semester to semester and changed the draft to a lottery system so Clinton opted out of the ROTC to finish Oxford and was reclassified 1A, taking his chances that Vietnam would be done with by the time he graduated Oxford.

When the lottery started Clinton's number was 311, virtually guaranteed to not be picked.

While Clinton did nothing illegal he certainly earned his new nickname "Slick Willie" by never giving up or leaving too much to chance.  Upon being invited to Yale Law School, Clinton left Oxford early, never graduating.

Teflon Don and Slick Willie, bone spurs and the shrewd lawyer. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.2.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.21    3 months ago
The left denigrated Bush because he was a marginal pilot who never should have had wings after the first crash in training

Exactly, like they told us McCain was a lousy pilot that got preferential treatment.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.23  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.22    3 months ago

Dropping a Skyhawk into Corpus Christi Bay would probably have washed out anyone else,

but he did come from a lineage of three or four Admirals...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.2.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.23    3 months ago
but he did come from a lineage of three or four Admirals...

Two, his father and grandfather.

Dont forget how he left all those sailors to die on the USS Forrestal.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.25  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.24    3 months ago
Dont forget how he left all those sailors to die on the USS Forrestal.

Did you forget the /s ? That is total "malarkey" ( but I wasn't there )

The only disappointments I had about McCain over the years was when he was running for POTUS were his choice of running mate and his stupid denial that the McCains were even slave holders ( let alone with black descendants. )

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2.26  arkpdx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.24    3 months ago

Sorry but he did not let any sailors die on the USS Forest Fire. (That is whatt we all called three Forestal) He did not fire the Zuni rocket. It did hit his plane and he had to crawl over the nose of his A-4. A chief was killed when he ran towards McCains plane and it blew up. My y beef with him is that he spilled his guts to the North Vietnamese interrogator almost immediately after being captured. Heard it was within 4 hours. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.27  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @5.2.26    3 months ago
My y beef with him is that he spilled his guts to the North Vietnamese interrogator almost immediately after being captured. Heard it was within 4 hours. 

You heard???

good grief...you might as well go the full Monty.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago

I found it very, very odd that Biden's handlers issued a statement regarding these deaths of US servicemembers when Biden already told us no one died on his watch. Which is it, Joe's handlers?

I won't bother to wonder how Democrats can swallow two opposing statements from their wonderful President and his VP.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3    3 months ago

We already see they are pathetically trying to distract away from the Biden / Harris failures.  That's a given.  

I expect one of three additional things to happen.  

  1. They'll ignore it completely.
  2. They'll claim the statements were never issued.  
  3. They'll claim it's Trump's fault.

One thing that I know won't happen is they will acknowledge that the deaths of 13 servicemembers , 100 innocent Afghani, and the abandonment of US Citizens were due to Biden's decision.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.4  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago
Trump shows up while Biden and Harris send out "statements"

did trump invite them to his arlington campaign stop?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.4.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @5.4    3 months ago

Ask him.  Although as I recall the ONLY time Biden met with the families of the fallen he kept checking his watch like he had more important places to be.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @5.4    3 months ago

Would Harris have accepted with no TelePrompTers on site?

Think Biden was still enjoying the scenery of a private 8,000-acre ranch in Santa Barbara’s wine country.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
5.4.3  Snuffy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.4.2    3 months ago

Think Biden was still enjoying the scenery of a private 8,000-acre ranch in Santa Barbara’s wine country.

Nope, he's already back on the beach in Delaware. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Now the Harris campaign seems to prefer that Trump debate with an open mic:

Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller said in a statement they had already agreed to the same terms as CNN's June debate, which had muted microphones, adding: "We said no changes to the agreed-upon rules."

Trump threatens to pull out of Harris debate, hot mics an issue (msn.com)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Kerry Kennedy: "I'm outraged and disgusted by my brother's gaudy and obscene embrace of Donald Trump, and I completely disavow and separate and dissociate myself from Robert Kennedy Jr. and his flagrant and inexplicable effort to desecrate and trample and set fire to my father's memory."

But the Kennedy family was OK with Ted's night of debauchery when he drowned a woman and basically went home.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 months ago
the Kennedy family was OK with Ted's night of debauchery when he drowned a woman and basically went home.

Kerry Kennedy was nine years old . 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 months ago

But other family members agree with her. Don't you remember they made a joint statement.

RFK Jr took the high road and said we can all disagree and still love one another.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 months ago

Ted Kennedy got drunk and had a tragic accident which he never live down despite everything. RFK Jr, on the other hand, has now betrayed everything his Father and his Uncles stood for for El Trumpo's $$$...

original

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @7.2    3 months ago

Kennedy got drunk and had a tragic accident which he never live down despite every

Then went on to collude  with the Soviet Union to interfere in the 1984 election and was rewarded by his democratic cult as “the lion of the senate”

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.2  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    3 months ago

Ted's last brave act was leaving his deathbed to pass Obamacare!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @7.2.2    3 months ago

Ted Kennedy never did anything brave in his life.  Unless you count trusting Chris Dodd on the other Side of the waitress sandwich,

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
7.2.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.3    3 months ago

“Ted Kennedy never did anything brave in his life.”

Agreed.

Past is prologue if one compares him with the indicted and thus preposterous and morally prohibitive GOP nominee. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @7.2.4    3 months ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.5    3 months ago
is it even possible for anyone to talk about one person without someone here constantly, endlessly, ignorantly invoking Trump?

The Ted Kennedy incident was 55 years ago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.6    3 months ago
The Ted Kennedy incident was 55 years ago.

I am sure you are trying to make a point here.

What is it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.7    3 months ago

As I have told you, I am not your teacher.  And I make comments, not ask incessant pointless questions. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
7.2.9  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.6    3 months ago

The Justice Kavanaugh accusation happened 35 years ago. Your point?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.8    3 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.9    3 months ago

[]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.9    3 months ago
The Justice Kavanaugh accusation happened 35 years ago. Your point?

The justice Kavanaugh accusation happened after he was nominated to the Supreme Court a few years ago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.12    3 months ago
The justice Kavanaugh accusation happened after he was nominated to the Supreme Court a few years ago. 

I think we all remember when Democrats dredged up a bunch of idiotic, slanderous accusations they never could prove.

The Kennedy accusation actually happened,(He drove the car in which a young girl died) someone died, and Kennedy was a sitting US Senator at the time.

Kennedy lied, people covered for him, and he ended up getting a little slap on the wrist.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.13    3 months ago

Lets all recall what Watergate tells us about Republicans 50 years later. Maybe you would enjoy that. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
7.2.15  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.14    3 months ago

Who died at Watergate?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.2.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.14    3 months ago
Lets all recall what Watergate tells us about Republicans 50 years later.

About Repubs or just the Nixon White House?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
7.2.17  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.5    3 months ago

“constantly, endlessly, ignorantly invoking Trump?”

No ignorance involved, tex. He is not worthy of the position and on that we agree.

As to the ‘constantly, endlessly’ comment…funny stuff coming from the most prolific offender hereabouts.[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.14    3 months ago

Tell us everything you know about it.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
7.2.19  1stwarrior  replied to  JBB @7.2.2    3 months ago

If Ted had been driving a VW Bug, Mary Jo would still be alive.  'Member - Bugs floated - Buick's don't.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.2.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  1stwarrior @7.2.19    3 months ago

I remember that ad:

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.21  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.7    3 months ago
I am sure you are trying to make a point here. What is it?

standard trumpster/maga irrelevance to most current events?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.3  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 months ago
But the Kennedy family was OK with Ted's night of debauchery when he drowned a woman and basically went home.

And they, and most Democrats, have seemingly forgotten or forgiven Ted for killing Mary Jo.

Was that some of the two-tier justice system Democrats are braying on about?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

Biden just left his week-long vacation in Santa Ynez, California for Dover, Delaware, where he’ll head to Rehoboth Beach for a 9-day vacation.

 
 
 
George
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8.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    3 months ago

He isn't even trying to pretend he is in charge, or even relevant anymore.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @8.1    3 months ago

He's been a lame duck POTUS since January 2021.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.1    3 months ago

Do you mean since 1/6?

WOW

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.2    3 months ago

Did you not read my comment?  There's no hidden messages.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.3    3 months ago

So, I was correct then.  I usually am.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.4    3 months ago

As usual, you're far from it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    3 months ago

Biden also stayed at the home of a billionaire friend.  During  the annual democratic  spring war on the Supreme Court, we are told that is evidence of impeachable corruption, 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    3 months ago

'we are told'

by who?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    3 months ago

We need an ethics code for the Bidens!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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8.2.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.2    3 months ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif - never happen with the Biden Mafia.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.2    3 months ago

We need an ethics code for the Bidens!

Signed,

Convicted Felon Trump. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @8.2.4    3 months ago

Have you found in the Constitution yet where it shows that states can prosecute federal laws?

Until then Trump's conviction is nothing more than Democrat lawfare; and an example of how they are wrecking the country.

Democrats should never lecture anyone about unfair justice systems with the shit they have pulled.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.5    3 months ago

Blah blah blah... Trump is still a convicted felon...deal with it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    3 months ago

SWEET!  He's loving life!  Good for him.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.3    3 months ago

My best friends have a house in Rehoboth Beach and when I was down there with them one time at a bar that we liked, we had just missed Joe and Jill Biden dining at the same place.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The families of the victims sure don’t seem to like joe Biden.

claiming their deaths didn’t happen on national tv during a debate will do that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 months ago
And Kamala Harris took a knee for George Floyd

And we hear the left cry that the right supports a "felon" while she did this.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10    3 months ago

George Floyd was murdered by a cop who was convicted and is in prison today. More importantly, in terms of Kamala Harris, it became a symbol within the context of the historical civil rights movement. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 months ago

Autopsy says otherwise.  But don't let fact get in the way of your narrative and support of a felon.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1.1    3 months ago

LOL

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 months ago

And honestly, what does that have to do with my statement.  Floyd is a felon, she took a knee to support a felon.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1.1    3 months ago

That's never stopped you before

Show us the results of the autopsy why don't you?

How well would you do with someone KNEELING ON YOUR NECK for 9 minutes while you struggled to breath and died?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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10.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    3 months ago

Wow - says those who support a 34 times convicted felon and rapist.  With three trials on the horizon once he loses bigly.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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10.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1.1    3 months ago

Which autopsy, the official one that says he was a homicide victim in 2020

or the fake BS that went viral in 2023?

Do you really think Chauvin would still be in jail or even convicted if the second, fake autopsy promoted by Carlson Tucker was true?

The county medical examiner who conducted the autopsy   listed Floyd’s death   as a   homicide   and determined that the cause was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

This finding was highlighted in the first set of charges leveled against Chauvin in May 2020 and was explained in detail by the medical examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker, during Chauvin’s trial.

“The top line of the cause of death is really what you think is the most important thing that precipitated the death. Other things that you think played a role in the death but were not direct causes get relegated to what’s known as the ‘other significant conditions’ part of the death certificate,” Baker   said at the trial , explaining why Floyd’s other health conditions weren’t included in his cause of death.

“So, the other significant conditions are things that played a role in the death, but didn’t directly cause the death,” Baker said. “So, for example, Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or neck restraint; his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint.”

Nothing new has emerged in the medical examiner’s findings.

But recently   posts   have been   circulating   on social media falsely claiming that new court documents show Floyd was not murdered and, instead, died of a drug overdose.

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson also   posted a video   to his X account on Oct. 20 in which he says, “George Floyd, according to the official autopsy, was not murdered. He died instead of what we used to call natural causes, which in his case would include decades of drug use, as well as the fatal concentration of fentanyl that was in his system on his final day.”

...

Experts at Chauvin’s trial also said the evidence doesn’t support the idea that he had died of an overdose, as USA Today  reported .

Court Deposition Doesn’t Say Floyd Died of Overdose

No Change in George Floyd's Cause of Death, Despite Viral False Claims - FactCheck.org

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @10.1.6    3 months ago
Which autopsy,

The one by the Medical Examiner, the original.  Not the one that was paid for by the felons family.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
10.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.1.7    3 months ago

That was a preliminary report before the tox screens and the official final report.

In the end, both autopsies agreed but with significant differences.

Chokeholds. like automatic weapons should be restricted to military service and related duties

to incapacitate or eliminate enemies.

Like it or not Floyd was not a combatant enemy.

original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11  JohnRussell    3 months ago
@RonFilipkowski

Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole, who supported Trump, was the last surviving WWII vet who had served as a Senator. This is what Trump was doing while Dole’s memorial service was being held.

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Ronin2
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11.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @11    3 months ago

So?

Were Dole and Trump friends? Hardly.

Were they even close? Hardly.

Did Trump serve with Dole at any time in his political career? No.

Why would Trump attend Dole's funeral? Just because Dole endorsed him? Did Biden attend the funeral of every Democrat that endorsed him?

But hey Biden actually showed up at the funeral. Good on him considering how long he served with Dole in the Senate. Even said a few flattering words that were written out in advance for him. He still fucked it up.

He was on a mission in the mountains. Nazi gunfire and mortar fire was thick. A man was dying — men were dying. Facing a hail of bullets, Second Lieutenant Robert Joseph Dole hurled a grenade into an  empty  [enemy] gun nest. Nearly eight decades on, we gather here in a world far different from the mountainous battlefield in 1949 — 45.

Of course he had to make it about himself as well.

Bob didn’t hate government. He knew the people who needed him most are the people most in need. He wanted government to work — to work for folks like him who came up the hard way. “Just give everybody a chance, Joe. Just a chance.”

Bob Dole fit my dad’s description. He said, “You must be a man of your word. Without your word, you’re not a man.” And Bob Dole was a man of his word.

Now, I’ve traveled over 1,200,000 miles on Amtrak because I commuted every single day. It came time for, literally, the deciding vote — the deciding vote on whether we’re going to defund Amtrak. And he cast the vote against his party, deciding to keep funding Amtrak. And, obviously, you might guess, he was asked why. “Why would you do that?” He said, “It’s the best way to get Joe Biden the hell out of here at night so he’s not here in the morning.” (Laughter.) Excuse my language. (Laughter.) True story. Absolutely true story. God, I loved the guy.

But TDS must always rule the day for some.

"But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!" The cry is getting sickening. Hopefully it will last for 4 more years after the election.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
11.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1    3 months ago
But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!

The article is about trump. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
11.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.1    3 months ago

When you have nothing else to do...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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12  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The Abbey-gate families have been ignored by the media, watched as Joe Biden repeatedly checked his watch, were accused of spreading misinformation by Jen Psaki, and have never received as much as a phone call from Biden or Harris. 

Now the media is smearing them over a photograph with Trump. This is one of the most depraved things I've ever seen.

 
 
 
CB
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12.1  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    3 months ago
Now the media is smearing them over a photograph with Trump. This is one of the most depraved things I've ever seen.

This is depraved: 

Trump says civilian award is ‘much better’ than Medal of Honor

By  Kate Sullivan , CNN
20 24

Former President Donald Trump on Thursday said the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which honors civilians, “is actually much better” than the Medal of Honor, because service members who receive the nation’s highest military decoration are often wounded or awarded it posthumously.

Trump was praising Republican megadonor Miriam Adelson, whom he awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom while in office, during remarks at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

“Miriam, I watched (Sheldon Adelson, her late husband) sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom. That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian, it’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version. It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,” Trump said.

“She gets it and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal,” Trump said.

It’s the latest in Trump’s  history of making disparaging comments  about military service. Early in his first presidential campaign, Trump  attracted controversy  by claiming then-Sen. John McCain — a political rival who served as a naval aviator during the Vietnam War and was imprisoned for more than five years by the North Vietnamese, during which he suffered injuries that  would affect him for the rest of his life  — was “not a war hero.”

“I like people that weren’t captured,” Trump said at the time.

Then, in 2020, The Atlantic  reported  that Trump said privately during a 2018 trip to France that he did not want to visit the graves of American service members and proceeded to refer to the fallen soldiers as “losers” and “suckers.” Trump has repeatedly denied making the remark.

Trump, who received five military draft deferments during the Vietnam War, also once referred to his efforts to avoid contracting sexually transmitted diseases as “my personal Vietnam.”


Donald gives a damn about the men buried in the ground. Let's cut through the bullpuckey "presentation' and shame on that family for letting themselves be USED for his private and political purposes! Although, I am hesitant to complain about Gold-star famiies. This is too much umbrage to let stand!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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12.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  CB @12.1    3 months ago

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CB
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12.1.2  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @12.1.1    3 months ago

That comment has no meaning whatsoever.

 
 

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