A House Divided
The House voted down Speaker Mike Johnson's government funding plan with 14 Republicans voting against it and two others voting present. The measure failed by a 202-222-2 margin. Three Democrats voted for the bill. Johnson's measure would have funded the government for six months, but it included a provision that would require individuals to provide proof of U.S. citizenship to vote. It was that provision that democrats objected to.
Many of the 14 Republicans who voted against the bill were voting against the spending in the bill:
Rep Andy Biggs:
“Tonight, the House is expected to vote on the Uniparty’s bloated spending bill,” the Arizona Republican said in a thread on X Wednesday.
“The House has already passed the SAVE Act,” Biggs added in the thread later. “There is no need to plunge our country deeper into debt for talking points.”
These 3 Dems, 14 Republicans crossed aisle on funding bill vote (thehill.com)
On the other side, it seems that democrats fear voter integrity will hurt them at the polls.
As the House voted, a House Committee was taking a look at president Biden's open border policy and the consequences of it. There were 4 individuals who offered testimony. Three were called by the majority and one by the democrats. He was the one who defined border security as "racism." He was taken down a few times.
I think rational people can agree on one thing. For the first three years of his presidency, Joe Biden ended effective Trump border policies and relaxed rules. He spoke warmly about migrants. The number of illegal border crossings soared. As a national election neared and it became clear the surge was hurting Democrats in the polls, the administration started to at least look like it was trying to secure the border. Yesterday's hearing unveiled the unvarnished truth.
Some of the highlights:
I only wish I had the video of Rep Carlos Gimenez confronted the progressive sheriff from Arizona. That was a real takedown.
In other news:
Walkie-talkies exploded across Lebanon in another coordinated attack on Hezbollah. The blasts killed at least 20 Hezbollah militants and injured 450 people. Israeli officials have not directly addressed the explosions, but the prime minister and defense minister said that the military was now focused on Lebanon.
In a clearly political move Fed Chairman Powell lowered interest rates by half a percentage point, a sharp cut usually reserved for critical moments. The Fed waited all this time, but couldn't wait until after the election. This was the Fed’s first rate cut since early 2020.
The Teamsters union leadership refused to endorse a candidate. It released survey results saying most of its members preferred Trump, which Trump called an honor.
The Justice Department sued the owner operator of a ship that crashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore.
Iranians sent “unsolicited emails” that included stolen material that was not publicly available from former President Donald Trump ’s campaign to people associated with his Democratic political rival, the FBI and two other government agencies said Wednesday.
Iranian hackers sent stolen Trump campaign info to Biden campaign associates, FBI says (nbcnews.com)
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MAGA fashion: A conservative-themed fashion show featured ball gowns, sequined jackets and, of course, hats.
Lena Ruseva modeled a dress of her own design. Johnny Milano for The New York Times.
Question of the day: What did the Harris campaign do with the hacked information the Iranians gave them?
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In the words of a legendary Aussie group:
You're always window-shopping
But never stopping to buy
So shed those dowdy feathers and fly
A little bit
nice gown, if you like dragging the american flag across the ground ....
They'd buy a trashbag if it had his ugly puke face on it.
that face belongs printed on the inside of trash bags ...
Who the hell would wear that garbage?
People who don't understand the flag code but think of themselves as patriots anyway
People who like this garbage:
Wow, I can't imagine why those aren't in the finest museums.
lol
every american flag with trump's ugly mug on it is definitely a desecrated flag ...
Burning a flag is less disrespectful than putting that lying felon's face on it. That dress apparently also has an easy access flap that she's demonstrating so dirty Donald can get his tiny gross hands in to grab some trailer trash pussy.
In a just world Lena's really, really bad paintings would not be allowed to be shown in a dumpster. Her 'stuff' makes one want to pluck out one's eyes.
What did the Harris campaign do with the hacked information the Iranians gave them?
Lol - as if anyone needs help uncovering Trump scandals. He does them in the open with a megaphone.
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Last night Donald Trump was the special guest of Greg Guttfield.
Some highlights:
The first thing he heard was concern for the latest assassination attempt.
Trump said: "I always knew Golf could be a dangerous sport."
On the ABC debate:
"They didn’t correct her once and they corrected me, everything I said practically. " ... and the audience went absolutely crazy
Somebody had to help Harris.
The beauty of it is the American people must be able to see right through it!
The media has to work overtime trying to gaslight people into believing she's not a dime store Palin.
Ya, we see right through all the lies and hate and ignorance/agnorance.
There was no need to correct Kamala on anything.
Yet much of what she said during the debate was proven to be false. For example:
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The NY Post is not a reliable source
And yet you haven't proven my comment wrong.
bullshit
Yes, I have. Same as Vic.
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[✘] Not at all reliable. It's not true anyway. So, there you go.
LMAO. Where. All I've seen are baseless claims with nothing to back them up.
So you’re saying Trump needed help from the moderators.
[✘] Exactly where did I say Trump got help from the moderators?
These are your examples of Harris' big lies?
Her 'insane' claim simply missed one word: 'fighting': no US troops on active duty are fighting in combat zones around the world. That is true. Her basic message is true. You are nitpicking.
We have video of Trump praising the authors of Project 2025. And then backtracking from it due its political liabilities.
Here is the full-page ad he took out:
She was countering Trump's lie about abortions done after birth. There is no such thing. No states allow that. Trump was totally misrepresenting reality and she called him on it.
When you say there are fine people on both sides and one of the sides are white supremacists, you have labeled supremacist marchers as "fine people".
Nope. Didn't say anything about that.
Who do you think you are fooling with this tired platitude of " I did not say that " and paraphrases of the same?
My post pointed out that Harris' ostensible lies were not so, and at worst were simply imprecise language.
In contrast, look at the stream of actual misrepresentations (and lies) from Trump (these are only the Trump misrepresentations).
You ignore all the bullshit from Trump in the debate and instead try (and fail) to exaggerate basically nothing into something.
Instead of a thoughtful reply, you post the bullshit " Nope. Didn't say anything about that. " which emphasizes your lack of a rebuttal.
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You quote-mined a portion of a single sentence in order to change my meaning instead of giving a thoughtful rebuttal to my post.
Clearly you have no argument so you resort to cheap, tired deflection tactics.
There's nothing to deflect from. I ask somebody a question. You jumped in with bullshit. (i.e. unrelated quotes with no source.) You were called on it [deleted][✘]
I included the source. It is right there in the post. You have no argument, just a pathetic attempt to save face.
So you pick ONE part of what I said. Why not address ALL of what I said. [deleted][✘]
What's that called again?
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Quoting without any misrepresentation and responding to it.
As you put it - INTELLECTIONAL DISHONESTY.
Intellectual dishonesty is, in the case I noted, misrepresenting someone via a partial quote.
I did not misrepresent your intent in any way.
You claimed that I put forth "unrelated quotes with no source". That is the full context of your claim and there is no misrepresentation of your allegation.
I responded to your allegation because it was obviously false as anyone can see by looking at my posts (and seeing the links).
I stated more than that. What you did was exactly what you claim as Intellectual dishonesty.
Not replying to your additional comment is not intellectual dishonesty. It is ignoring your repeated, already debunked claims.
Then respond to ALL of what I said.
Have already done so. You keep coming back with bullshit like:
This ⇡ is nonsense. It is nothing more than emotive rhetoric.
If you really want someone to reply to what you write, write something that is thoughtful; ideally based on fact and logic.
Keep thinking that.
Well when everything out of your mouth is a ridiculous obvious lie, how dare they say so?
You mean like when the ABC moderators let Kamala lie about Trump’s affiliation with Project 2025, and about Trump demanding the execution of the Central Park Five, and about live births resulting from failed abortions. She even repeated the lie that Trump praised white supremacist marchers as “fine people,” such total BS that pro-Dem disinformation outlet Snopes recently admitted it was fake.
They let her do it but the people got it. David Muir's “World News Tonight” has lost a million viewers since the debate.
That's all true.
The former 'president' traitor convicted felon and rapist took out full page ads calling for the Central Park Five's execution. He is very much involved in Project 2025. He did say there were fine people on both sides which is not true of the white supremacist incel marchers who said that "Jews will not replace us". Everything Kamala said was true. Everything the former 'president' traitor convicted felon and rapist said was an outrageous lie also inciting violence and terrorism by the proud boys incels and their own sheriff in Springfield and bomb threats and threats on the whole town.
I leave that to our readers.
do you have a link for that? Throwing your own facts out there doesn't do a thing for your credibility
The bomb threats were hoaxes. I thought we covered that the other day.
" Muir’s “World News Tonight” averaged 6.7 million viewers on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, the three episodes following the debate, after averaging 7.6 million in 2024 leading up to the debate."
What's 900,000 when you're at that high figure.
I'm sure Vic is glad you're around to do his homework.
900,000 is really not that much when you're talking about a hyped up TV debate and after the debate people are tired of the news and go watch Wheel of Fortune instead
I'll match your link with this:
Well, well, what do you know. Do you suppose people are off enjoying the last hurrahs of summer and watching the news is not a priority on the weekends?
The whole town of Springfield is terrorized by the lies told by the traitor and his vp pick.
They have closed schools and stores and cancelled their festival.
Due to bomb threats and threats to the LEGAL Haitian immigrants and the entire town is on lockdown essentially.
Ya! I always take your word as gospel.
" Then more than 33 bomb threats arrived over the past five days , aimed at the city hall , healthcare facilities, schools and colleges. All were determined to have been hoaxes and many were from overseas, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine said Monday ."
Read it and weep.............
Of course I do:
ABC's David Muir sees newscast ratings decline after controversial debate performance | Fox News
That's the case up here, it's close up the cottage season.
All required State Troopers and bomb squads to sweep different buildings multiple times.
Classes were interrupted or canceled.
The interruptions, cancelations and inspections cost real people and businesses, time and money.
But they were hoaxes.......
Read what and weep?
So their own governor is saying these are hoaxes?
What the fuck?
So, because they were allegedly hoaxes and 'many' were from overseas, nothing to worry about, right?
but vance and the former 'president' traitor are worried about the stresses placed on resources by LEGAL HAITIAN residents?
lol … hilarious
Terrorism: noun - the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
It does not matter that the bombs weren't real, the threat is clearly an intimidation which by definition is terrorism. Trying to downplay this and call it a "hoax" is simply dishonest and despicable.
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Is that where the former 'president' said the audience went wild at the debate?????
to be fair, I don't think trump got his nap after lunch that afternoon ...
Grerg Dickfeld didn't bother to 'fact check' him.
lol
One would have to know what "facts" are to check them
Funny how the defenders of the indefensible haven't mentioned that.
The other spin off from the Guttfield show was the strange anecdote of saving Tim Walz from angry Trump fans.
According to Trump, Minnesota was burning during the George Floyd riots and Trump tweeted "Liberate Minnesota" after which hundreds of protesters showed up at the Governors mansion waving American flags and Trump flags.
According to Trump, Tim Walz called the White House begging for help and Trump somehow signaled the protesters who took their flags and left.
According to Tim Walz it was during Covid and some very unpopular decisions he had made. When the Governors mansion was targeted by protesters waving pro Trump flags, American flags and Don't Tread on Me flags,
The Trump anecdote conflates two separate events and Trump claims to have saved the weaker Tim Walz by calling off the 'liberate Minnesota" protesters.
All of which begs the question, if Trump could control the masses in Minnesota, why didn't he stop the January 6 mob from attacking the Capitol and D.C. police?
More magical story telling?
I said pretty much the same thing elsewhere - if he could get them to lay down their trumpturd flags and go home, why didn't he do that on 1/6?
That's what I meant by undermining or 'kneecapping' his defense - I forget where I saw that - that was the headline essentially he 'kneecapped' his defense with that fable.
Yes, he incited them to go to Walz's and he also incited them to 1/6 - similar scenarios
When? Where? How?
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there was no audience, maybe he was just refocusing his mind on the crowd size issues?
'Size' really seems to be an issue with him
There was no audience, LMAO what a dumb ass.
You missed Trump's plan to undermine his own previous tax plan...
He cut his party off at the knees and joined the liberal coastal elites.
Trump is sounding more and more desperate. What's next with his tax plan? Eliminating all taxes?
Yes, it's a shame that he's pandering to the rich .
The biggest mover for working people and the US economy would be eliminating taxes on overtime.
Again, not a sound fiscal policy. The Tax Foundation said this would add $1.1T to the deficit over the next decade.
The "Tax Foundation" is a think tank just like "The Heritage Foundation."
Shall we accept the 2025 Project as well?
What are you trying to say, Vic? They are only worth paying attention to when you agree with them, or fiscal responsibility is only appropriate when Dems are in control?
I'm saying they are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Neither is the Democrats run away spending but here we are.
Funny, I don't recall what the "Tax Foundation" had to say about "the Inflation Reduction Act."
Yeah.. We'll just cut all the taxes and make China pay for it. /s
A simple trip to google would help you.
Ok
But we should take that with a grain of salt too, right?
the staging area for an unamerican and unconstitutional theocracy ...
Would it kill you to tell Evil he's right?
Project 2025 eliminates overtime so.......
He also undermined his own defense re: 1/6, or was it kneecapped?
lol
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The presidential race begins for thousands of voters today as Wisconsin starts mailing ballots to eligible voters.
With one point separating Vice President Harris and former President Trump in the Badger State, the campaigns are set to spend the next 47 days fighting for every ballot.
Voting begins in some form for many voters in more than half of all states by the end of the month, including Michigan and North Carolina.
Wisconsin kicks off election season with first widely available absentee ballots | Fox News
Trump received a gift from Tyrus on the Gutfeld show:
He is a champion in many ways.
A champion? He is King Shit of Turd Mountain.
as legitimate as a pro wrestling champion ...
I wondered who the steroid case was.
UNIONDALE, N.Y. — Former President Donald Trump basked in the adulation of thousands of supporters on Long Island Wednesday night — insisting that recent attempts to kill him had “hardened my resolve” and predicting he would be the first Republican candidate to win New York state in 40 years.
“These encounters with death have not broken my will,” the Republican presidential nominee, 78, told roughly 16,000 fans at the Nassau Coliseum three days after a gunman was found hiding in the bushes of Trump’s namesake Florida golf course as he played a round .
“They have really given me a much bigger and stronger mission. They’ve only hardened my resolve to use my time on Earth to make America great again for all Americans, to put America first,” added Trump, whose ear was grazed by a would-be assassin’s bullet at a July 13 rally in western Pennsylvania.
Trump tells rowdy Long Island rally he'll 'save New York,' asks voters, 'What the hell do you have to lose?' (nypost.com)
Meanwhile the Harris campaign is now into a prevent defense mode. For Harris no news is good news.
They intend to stay quietly in the background from now thru election day.
One could start with self-respect.
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What respect is due those who falsely accuse everyone to their left politically of being marxists and socialists? Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are Democrats! Got It yet?
MAGA get the respect they give!
She is defined by her policies, which she cannot run away from.
I'll remind people from now until election day.
Neither do I and I would never vote for Trump for that very reason.
Anyone who isn't an American citizen shouldn't be voting.
You should not simply believe what Trump says.
Marx, in the most essential terms, was an anti-capitalist. Most of his work was spent analyzing and critiquing capitalism historically and operationally as a system and as a philosophy. A Marxist is one who is opposed to capitalism.
Harris has made no hint that she is against capitalism. She has, however, established as one of her key initiatives support for the startup of new businesses. This is conventional capitalism ... this is at the heart of the romanticized American dream. She has also expressed the long-standing American view of a free and fair market where capitalism can operate properly. Capitalism works best when true competition allows the dynamics of supply vs. demand and competition to efficiently deliver only what is needed and at a fair price.
Trump childishly calls people names. He tosses out a list of emotive labels just to fire up those who believe his bullshit. It is a real shame that people still believe this scoundrel.
One of many examples of Trump using nonsensical emotive labels:
Why not? I'm deader than a scroll! Now that we have got by the niceties, what makes you think I like soap enough to emulate Brian Prichard?
I'm calling her that based on her record.
Btw Harris has a traitor knocking on doors for her:
M ichigan residents may have received a shock when they opened their doors to canvassers only to realize they were being visited by Jane Fonda.
Fonda, who is 86, has long been politically active, and sometimes controversial as a result.
She drew ire from the public in 1972 after visiting North Vietnam and was given the nickname " Hanoi Jane " after appearing on local radio criticizing the U.S. military and opposing the war.
Jane Fonda Hugs Voter, Explains Why She's Door-Knocking for Kamala Harris (msn.com)
As far as I'm concerned Harris represents all the worst things that this country has gone through over my lifetime.
This reminds me of an old joke that Ronald Reagan told that kind of wraps up the whole Dem "promise". You have to wait for the punchline. Enjoy
Marx wrote during the Industrial Revolution as did Dickens, both were creatures of their times; a heavenly period for the affluent and a hell for the rest. Dickens would have cast Sarah H. Sanders as his mother.
An irrational perception is interesting to read but ultimately offers no value.
And you somehow do not see all these bad qualities of Trump?:
I am sure I missed one or two.
Could you please join us in the 21st century?
The worst things are represented by policies. Not personalities.
The woman who once was rated the most far left member of the Sente and chose the far-left lane as a candidate in the DNC primary has suddenly switched gears. Different, but not by much. She now supports $5 trillion in tax hikes, raising the capital gains tax from 20 percent to 28 percent for anyone earning more than $1 million a year, a threat to end price gouging by supermarkets, price controls, and a $25,000 federal subsidy for first-time home buyers. On foreign affairs, she plays it both ways when it comes to Israel. She notes that Israel has the right to defend itself, while Palestinians also have one to self-determination. This move from her more extreme views is a bit hard to believe.
Down deep Kamala is still the radical who supported a fund to get 2020 rioters out of jail and said they need to continue.
I get the feeling that some here don't want her criticized.
I will be doing just that right up until the election.
It is not about personality, it is about character.
The absolute worst situation is to arm a narcissistic loose-cannon of abysmal character with the power of the presidency.
and we'll remind you of the lack of policies from the former 'president' and his 'concepts' on a health plan.
Hey, do you know that the things you post seem to make more sense when read in DJT's voice? I mean, not in the sense that they make sense, but I can more easily picture DJT saying something that crazy.
Colbert has Trump down cold!
I love him. Always have. Ever since the days of the Colbert Report. Him and Jon Stewart. Ever since the Daily Show. I saw Jon Stewart in Atlantic City years ago - I can't remember if it was pre-Daily Show or not.
He said it was 20,000 with over flowdown the block
On Monday, the woman who created the greatest political hoax in US history, declared that the federal government should criminally prosecute Americans who "share propaganda."
They know the prosecutions will only go one way and she can lie all she wants without worry.
"Because no reasonable prosecutor will prosecute them!
Not to worry, Laura Loomer is about to dethrone her. @!@
Yeah, she is about to replace Melania.
she's a newer model than Melania but OMG look at that face!
Prosecuted like Axis Annie and Tokyo Rose!
A group tied to Democratic consulting firms has been bankrolling an effort to stock ballots with pro-former President Donald Trump candidates disguised as independents in an effort to siphon votes away from Republicans .
The Patriots Run Project ran more than $48,000 worth of advertisements on Facebook in an effort to recruit right-leaning candidates in the 2024 election cycle in six swing seat elections. The group has worked with at least six people to get their names on the ballot, spending thousands of dollars on collecting signatures, filing fees, and polling.
Group tied to Democratic firms spent thousands to support Republicans and spoil races - Washington Examiner
Always down and dirty!
Another lunatic projection.
Proof of Democrats complicity in treasonistic behavior.
That's something they have fought against from it's inception. All they while they allow millions of illegals to cross the border.
oh, the irony ...
Nope, not even close
It's about 11:15 AM EST.
That means two things. I have a daily errand to run, and Joe Biden is now awake.
Be back later.
From his tower the eye of Trump is ever upon us!
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Triple XXX sounds so last century.
Triple QQQ cacophony is so this century ... @!@
Maybe he'll bump into that governor from North Carolina (?) Mark Robinson?
Where do you come up with this stuff?
It has been known for quite some time there would be an interest rate cut as soon as the inflation rate got closer to the 2% target.
Powell has served in government in two Republican and two Democratic administrations.
According to wikipedia he is a registered Republican.
Plus, the rate cut is a joint decision of all the Federal Reserve board members, which is a bipartisan group.
It serves a confirmation bias narrative.
Donald Trump nominates Jerome Powell as Fed chair (bbc.com)
Don't worry. Newtie Trump (or is that Donald J. Gingrich) will jump into the noodle vat and fork it up. And our adversaries are amused while the kiddies play in the cat box. We know that all the past government shutdowns has only Made America Grift Again. The neoliberal deadwood in Congress is making Chuck Schumer look like a statesman.
How can Trump be losing to an empty suit? Is this some sort of genius plan to distract the opposition? Or is this really what it seems to be; the only reason Kamala Harris is competitive in this election is because Donald J. Trump is the biggest, bestest fucking idiot in the world.
My lying eyes are telling me that we're screwed no matter what happens. Thank you, Donald, for pissing everything away.
You got that part right, I'm 'kinda' impressed.
So, where have you been? Since 2016 I have been quite vocal that Donald Trump is a clown, a buffoon who can't string three words together into a coherent thought, an idiot savant heavy on the idiot.
But Donald Trump proved to be a far, far better choice than Hillary Clinton. Trump was a better choice than Biden, as history has proven. And, now, Trump is still a better choice than Kamala Harris. Trump is not a free trade, globalist acolyte and apologist; unlike Clinton, Biden, or Harris, That's why Trump will always be a better choice than a Reagan/Clinton Democrat.
You know, there's a reason so many Republican luminaries are supporting and endorsing Kamala Harris. These very same Republicans could be working to convince voters to just stay home and not vote for Trump. But that's not what's happening. Republicans are supporting Harris because they like her promises and urge support because of those promises. That really does say more about Kamala Harris than it says about Donald Trump.
but he's still better than Kamala
... by what possible standard of measurement?
feel free to list all your examples of credible documented proof.
The republicans who support Harris do so for one reason alone, they see him as a threat to the nation. The pony you are trying to sell doesn't rock.
By the object measure of promises made by Kamala Harris. Harris has promised to double down on the demonstrably failed populist ideology of creating prosperity using the government's credit card. That populist ideology has only made the rich richer because government subsidies always trickle up. That's what ultimately necessitated bailing out student loans.
Harris has promised to double down on a Eurocentric foreign policy framework while ignoring how that interferes with address the real problems confronting the nation. The Eurocentric framework hampered Biden's attempt to pivot to Asia with the AUKUS agreement. The Eurocentric framework even interfered with Harris' own attempt to focus attention on the problems at the source of irregular immigration.
Harris has been promising blank check support for NATO, the European economy, and fully developed first world countries who should be quite capable of taking care of themselves. Why do G7 nations need assistance from American taxpayers to protect their interests?
Money defies gravity in all economic systems.
I find it difficult to compare one train wreck to something that never happened.
Ditto, Biden's term hasn't even finished so history is not yet here.
Why, because of Nerm's magical thinking?
More opinion.
Did you see or listen to the excerpts of the last two Trump magical thinking townhalls? Vote for me, "What have you got to lose"? I am going to make us the energy capital of the world and prices, taxes and interest rates will tumble so college student can all afford big new beautiful houses.
I am going to get the cost of gas down to $1.87. Auto insurance is up 73%, I will cut that in half immediately.
These are empty fantastical promises.
And you think he's better than any alternate?
Trump has resorted to now promising anything. As he grows more desperate this is only going to get worse.
The question is if Trump supporters have a level of outrageous lies that even they do not believe.
No, Trump is not better then any alternative. But any alternative is not going to be on the ballot.
Here in the real world, Donald Trump was elected by voters to be the best Republicans are offering and Kamala Harris was selected by party leadership to be the best Democrats are offering. The real world choice is between Trump and Harris. And Trump is the better choice.
Well, it's true Trump has become a parody of Harris. But has Trump promised subsidies? Harris has based her populist appeal on providing government subsidies for housing, healthcare, education. Has Trump done the same?
Then why has Trump never polled above or gone over 50% with real world voters?
Your pronouncement doesn't hold water!
Yet Harris' proposals are doable. Trump's promises are magical thinking on meth!
That is the difference, in the real world.
One wonders if folks really believe one sided nonsense like that.
Really wonder …..
Only US citizens can vote for Trump or Kamala.
And Harris isn't? SMH She's flipping on previous beliefs and policy statements until she possibly gets elected and then will resort back to the same shit.
One wonders what qualifies one to participate in a poll ….
Harris is lying her ass off. Just like Biden did and folks on the left ignore it.
Sad
All it takes is someone dumb enough to answer the phone and listen to someone drone on.
Someone calls to poll me and the next sound they hear is me hanging up.
Trump claims that auto insurance is up 73% and he will halve that number.
Trump claims he can cap credit card interest rates at 10%
Trump claims he can get gas back to $1.87.
Trump claims inflation is still out of control and he's going to fix it.
Trump claims that the audience cheered his put downs of the ABC moderators during the debate.
Trump confused Pa with AZ and Alaska with Afghanistan
Trumps claims he will reverse the evil SALT taxes he put in place
Trump still believes tariffs are paid by other countries, not the consumers.
Trump has no plan for replacing the Affordable HealthCare plans just an idea he cannot share.
Trump claims Judge Cannon cleared him of wrongdoing in the documents case.
AND YOU THINK TRUMP IS A PARODY OF HARRIS?
Harris is no parody, but she still has all of her faculties about her.
Can you say the same for Trump?
Yes, in the real world. Try telling a MAGA!
Really? Have you listened to her talk in public?
Embarrassing to anyone who hasn’t already anointed her POTUS.
You mean those who choose to reside in the real world rather than the demented Bizarro World of the maga?
No. She is not.
It doesn't matter were in the world you are a citizen, unless you are a US citizen, no vote in our presidential election.
Exactly, in the real world that is still true!
Really?
That's a departure from her last 3.5 years in office.
Yep, around 193 countries.
Really
Yes
No
Correct. Harris is making bold promises but hers are consistent and limited. Trump, in contrast, is all over the map and keeps inventing new outrageous promises.
Trump claims that he is going to generate substantial ("numbers are so much bigger ... no deficits as a result") revenue by imposing tariffs. He says that the amount he will generate will be enough to pay for his programs.
Do you recognize how idiotic that claim is?
The 2023 tariff revenue was $80 billion.
What is Trump going to do ... double that? Another $80 billion? How far does that go with the $6 trillion plus USA budget?
Further, Trump and Vance pretend that the tariffs are paid by the importers. That is an absurd lie. Tariffs are paid by importers and then passed on (through the supply chain) to consumers. The USA consumers are paying the tariffs. It becomes, in effect, a consumption tax.
This is so over-the-top ridiculous. Is the American electorate so uninformed and apathetic as to not understand this?
Yeah right. Price controls, more free handouts for housing and business, no taxes on tips …. No wait, that’s Trump …. Oh wait that’s Harris as well …
Harris is just pandering to get elected. Nothing more. Just like Biden did. Run more moderate and she will govern even more progressively liberal than Biden if she wins. Which was a clusterfuck.
Even the dullest of the electorate can see that.
Hint - this is 2024
Well of course she is pandering to get elected. What do you think political races are about in the end? At what point in time do you see politicians — especially presidential candidates — not engage in pandering?
You of course ignored my point. Clearly because you have no way to rebut it.
Trump is promising the moon:
On top of that he is going to pay for his other special programs like child care with revenues from aggressive tariffs. Do you understand how utterly stupid that is? Especially since he is promising to magically lower consumer prices.
Here are some more of his economic and economy-related promises.
At this point, I believe Trump will promise anything and his supporters will believe whatever he claims.
We know you're talking about legal voters in the U.S. jbb.
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You have no argument. Mere claims are no different than bullshit.
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Realistically, that is not a question. The Trump supporters I know already think he lies (one referred to it as merely pandering to his fans, i.e., giving them what they want to hear rhetorically) and/or they don't care. If someone still supports Trump at this point nothing will convince them not to, and you can write them off as a hopeless cause. All concentration now should be on convincing the handful of undecideds and turning out the Democratic base. There is absolutely no point in engaging with Trump supporters to try to change their choice. That is wishful thinking and unproductive. In other words, it is a complete waste of time.
I agree.
But the fact that some support Trump even though they know he is lying does not mean that all or even most do.
Trying to reason with a Trump supporter is of course pointless. But there should be a point where some who currently believe Trump will catch on (on their own) and be dissuaded. The natural consequence of that will be lower voter turnout for Trump.
We have no statistics to back this up but it is logical that the more outrageous Trump's lies the more likely he is to lose enthusiasm from his less-devoted supporters (onion skin analogy). Given people believe his Springfield Ohio lies, I do wonder what percentage these less-devoted supporters represent.
If the result of Trump's deluge of lies is that some of his otherwise unpersuadable supporters lose enthusiasm and don't vote that would be a positive thing.
some of my establishment republican relatives have already expressed that they won't be voting in races where maga extremists are running for office ...