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Pentagon received hundreds of new UAP reports, but says no evidence of extraterrestrial activity

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  one month ago  •  148 comments

By:   Marlene Lenthang

Pentagon received hundreds of new UAP reports, but says no evidence of extraterrestrial activity
The Pentagon has released its annual report on UFO sightings, or what it officially calls unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs) — and found 21 particularly curious incidents.

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The report was published a day after the second major hearing on UAPs was held in Congress, where leaders called for greater transparency from the Pentagon on UAP knowledge, as well as on whether tax dollars are being spent on UAP retrieval, research or other programs.

Four witnesses testified at the House Oversight Committee joint subcommittee hearing titled, "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth."

Luis Elizondo, a former Defense Department official and author, testified that the government has conducted secret UAP crash retrieval programs with the purpose of identifying and reverse engineering alien craft.

"Let me be clear, UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe," Elizondo said. "Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries. I believe we are in the midst of a multi-decade secretive arms race, one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from our elected representatives and oversight bodies."

"Although much of my government work on the UAP subject still remains classified, excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel and the public, all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos," he added.

Rep. Robert Garcia, D-Calif., asked all four witnesses: "Do you believe, just for the record, that the federal government, any part of the federal government, is knowingly concealing evidence about UAPs from the public?" All four answered in the affirmative.

When Garcia asked the witnesses what they believe UAPs could be, Tim Gallaudet, a retired rear admiral of the U.S. Navy and chief executive officer of Ocean STL Consulting LLC, said: "Strong evidence that they are nonhuman, higher intelligence."

The report and the hearing add to what has been an influx of interest in attention on UAPs in recent years that has coincided with increased government transparency around the topic thanks in part to active-duty military members coming forward to discuss their experiences.

That in turn has sparked government hearings in which various former officials have made a wide variety of allegations about the origin of UAPs and about a purported government effort to keep information about them from the public.

Despite that testimony, no hard evidence has emerged concerning UAPs, extraterrestrials or a government cover-up.

241115-dr-jon-kosloski-mn-1212-78ec3e.jpg Jon T. Kosloski, director of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.Dept. of Defense

The Pentagon report noted a consistent pattern in reports describing the UAPs: unidentified lights and round/spherical/orb-shaped objects made up the bulk of cases in reports that had distinct visual characteristics.

Of the UAP reports, 81 originated from U.S. military operating areas. Three reports from U.S. military aircrews described "pilots being trailed or shadowed by UAP."

Of the new reports, 392 were from the Federal Aviation Administration and make up all of the FAA's UAP reports since 2021.

The AARO noted that it was able to resolve one report made by a commercial pilot who reported seeing white flashing lights in the night sky that ended up being a Starlink satellite launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida, that same night.

If the AARO does find cases that indicate breakthrough foreign adversarial aerospace capability, it'll immediately report it to Congress.

"AARO is investigating if other unresolved cases may be attributed to the expansion of the Starlink and other mega-constellations in low earth orbit," the report said.


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Buzz of the Orient
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1  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Oh, come on, there's no such thing as aliens.  These guys told me so one night and I believe them.  With what happened on November 5th, I can believe anything is possible.

170207-aliens-rhk-1646p.jpg

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    one month ago

Are those Paul Helyer's Tall Greys?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @1.1    one month ago

I don't know.  It's an image from the internet and it had this caption, but I can't open it.  Maybe you can. 

"35 Year Old Sinkie Bu Say Good One Taken."  forums.hardwarezone.com.sg

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    one month ago
Oh, come on, there's no such thing as aliens.

The likelihood that humans are alone in the universe is almost literally zero. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MrFrost @1.4    one month ago

I agree.  Astronomers have already discovered that there are planets in the universe with similar suns and characteristics like ours on which there is a likelihood that life in some form has developed.  However they are SO many light years away that we are unlikely to ever know, but should they be so much more advanced than we are, to have become capable of space travel or transmission in some way then who knows?  Maybe Carl Sagan's "Contact" can actually happen.  I think we can already be sure that "Mars Attacks" won't happen, but down the road "The Martian" is looking possible. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.4.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @1.4    one month ago

it's mathematically impossible.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.4.3  evilone  replied to  MrFrost @1.4    one month ago
The likelihood that humans are alone in the universe is almost literally zero. 

The likelihood that anything can, or would want to, travel to the ass end of a universe at the ass end of the milky way is equally small.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.4  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.3    one month ago

it's high time to engage in a mass marketing campaign, that will escape into the universe, directed to promote the universally healthy nutritional benefits of the ultra religious ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.4.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    one month ago

It's also extremely arrogant to think that the vast universe has only one populated planet. Sounds like the shit they teach you in religious classes

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.6  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.5    one month ago

exactly. can you imagine the panic involved if some life form, that wasn't in the image of their creator, appeared or if all the military grunts realized they would most likely be a pile of death ray ash before they could get off a shot. the documented reports of UFO's being sighted around ground based nuke facilities and firsthand witness reports of nuke powered military equipment being shadowed since the 60's continues to grow in volume.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.4.7  Drakkonis  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.5    one month ago
It's also extremely arrogant to think that the vast universe has only one populated planet.

Not really, especially when the only basis for believing there must be life on other planets, let alone intelligent life, is the assumption that if it happened here, it must have happened elsewhere. Not a sound scientific basis for a conclusion. Science doesn't even know how, or even why life exists on this planet. About all we know is the statistical improbability of it happening is astronomical. 

 
 
 
evilone
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1.4.8  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.7    one month ago
...the assumption that if it happened here, it must have happened elsewhere.

No the assumption is that life will happen wherever conditions are favorable to life. With the billions of planets available it's statistically probable that many thousands of worlds have life on them.

Science doesn't even know how, or even why life exists on this planet.

Again not true. If there are biogenic elements, a source of energy, liquid water, and a suitable, reasonably stable environment life will form and evolve. It's been done both in nature and under experimentation time and time again. That doesn't mean that alien life must have evolved to develop space flight though.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.4.9  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.8    one month ago

meh, I told you guys that this alien stuff would cause thumpers to lose their theological shit ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.4.9    one month ago
I told you guys that this alien stuff would cause thumpers to lose their theological shit

I'm sorry I missed that. What theological shit is that?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.4.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @1.4.8    one month ago

We are all just star dust

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.4.12  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.8    one month ago
No the assumption is that life will happen wherever conditions are favorable to life.

Which is different from what I said in what way? 

With the billions of planets available it's statistically probable that many thousands of worlds have life on them.

Again, you are simply restating what I said. Because it happened here it is probable elsewhere. The problem is that life by chance on this planet is astronomically improbable. You won't believe me but all you have to do is paste the following into your search bar and find out for yourself. 

odds that life happened by chance

If the odds, scientifically, are so astronomically high just for this planet, then upon what basis can one objectively claim statistical probability for life elsewhere?  

If there are biogenic elements, a source of energy, liquid water, and a suitable, reasonably stable environment life will form and evolve.

Aside from the fact that you are attempting to use a sample pool of one to create a statistical model, you have no evidence that life will result from those things by themselves. 

It's been done both in nature and under experimentation time and time again.

Where has life been created by experimentation?  

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.4.13  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.11    one month ago
all just star dust

put here and there by a devise like that of the Lily Munster vacuum , and that only blows, if it doesn't suck

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.4.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.4.13    one month ago

looks like we're about to get in an evolution vs creationism discussion (not you and me)

Those discussions bore me. I can't deal with the self-righteous

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.15  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.10    one month ago
What theological shit is that?

genesis, after that, the incest and pedophilia starts ...

oops, I meant xtian family values ...

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.16  Drakkonis  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.14    one month ago
looks like we're about to get in an evolution vs creationism discussion (not you and me)

Do you know what "poisoning the well" means in debates? It means to discredit what is said by an opponent or their sources simply because of how they view the opponent. An example would be " Well, you can't believe that because it came from CNN ." A variation of that would be, " Well, you can't believe what they say because their motive is actually not what they say it is ".

Not one thing I've said had God as a basis of evidence or involved Him in any way. All of it has been based on science and math. Everything I've said has been said to back up my response to what you said in 1.4.5 .

It's also extremely arrogant to think that the vast universe has only one populated planet.

It isn't nearly as arrogant as you seem to believe, if one understands the science and the math. My involving God or my religious beliefs are not necessary to make that point. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.4.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.16    one month ago

I wasn't even talking to you

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.4.18  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.12    one month ago
Because it happened here it is probable elsewhere.

The fact that it happened at all proves that it is possible.

Given the fact that the elements and physics at play on Earth exist in the balance of our unfathomably vast universe, life could emerge elsewhere.

No matter how unlikely life is to emerge, the sheer size of the universe and number of laboratories available suggest that it is quite unlikely that life exists solely in our little speck.

In our universe which contains hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with at least tens of billions of solar systems, it is reasonable to expect that a simple single-celled life form has emerged.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.4.19  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.12    one month ago
Which is different from what I said in what way? 

Whether you realize it or not you are talking about the Drake Equation penned in 1960 by Frank Drake,

original

It talks about how scarce or plentiful planets with life could be. I'm not talking about that at all. I'm saying wherever those planets are the odds of life are near 100 percent.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.4.20  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.12    one month ago
Where has life been created by experimentation?  

The first that I know of was the Miller-Urey experiment in 1952.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.4.21  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.19    one month ago
Whether you realize it or not you are talking about the Drake Equation penned in 1960 by Frank Drake,

No, I'm not. The closest variable in the equation that relates to what I'm talking about is fl,  but since that relates to the number of planets suitable for life that actually develop life, not even that really relates. What I am addressing is the odds of life on this planet actually developing. The idea you guys go with is simply "if it happened here it can happen elsewhere and likely has" but that doesn't address the odds of life happening on this planet in the first place. It's simply taken as a given. 

I'm saying wherever those planets are the odds of life are near 100 percent.

And how can you back that up? That is, how can you demonstrate that it would be even 0.01 percent, let alone 100, given than you cannot show how life here on earth started or that it was even statistically probable?  

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.22  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.20    one month ago
Where has life been created by experimentation?  
The first that I know of was the Miller-Urey experiment in 1952.

That experiment did not result in life and was later considered to be a flawed experiment in that it intentionally left out elements and compounds that would have been present but would have frustrated their efforts. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.23  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.4.18    one month ago
In our universe which contains hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with at least tens of billions of solar systems, it is reasonable to expect that a simple single-celled life form has emerged.

... yeah, but, but, but they're not xtians ... /s

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.24  devangelical  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.21    one month ago
you cannot show how life here on earth started

... you can't either.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.4.25  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.21    one month ago
… that doesn't address the odds of life happening on this planet in the first place

Yes it does.   We do not actually know how likely it is for life to emerge.   We believe that it is very unlikely but that is it.   Until we understand abiogenesis we cannot realistically quantify its likelihood.

So go with ‘extremely unlikely but demonstrably possible’ and then consider the number of laboratories in the universe.   We need just one of those laboratories to emerge the most primitive life form (even if it is unlike anything we know).

Note the laboratories are all the environments on each of the planetary bodies in each of the solar systems in each of the galaxies.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.26  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.19    one month ago

Also, that isn't the Drake equation. This is.

N =R∗×fp×ne×fl×fi×fc×L

The one you provided is actually applicable to what I'm talking about and deals with the odds of life spontaneously generating on a planet. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.27  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.21    one month ago
What I am addressing is the odds of life on this planet actually developing.

Which has to be 100 percent, correct? Since it's happening all over the globe all the time. From fossil record to th

The idea you guys go with is simply "if it happened here it can happen elsewhere and likely has" but that doesn't address the odds of life happening on this planet in the first place. 

Again that's a misrepresentation of what I said. 

And how can you back that up?

Here's a reading list for you:

The Origin and Evolution of Earth, by Robert Hazen
Origins, by Donald Goldsmith
The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber
Evolution's Rainbow by Joan Roughgarden
Origins, by Frank H. T. Rhodes
The Story of Earth by Robert Hazen
At the Edge of Uncertainty by Michael Brooks
A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Brayon
Big History: The Big Bang, Life on Earth, and the Rise of Humanity, by David Chistian
Atom Land, by Jon Butterworth
A Brief History of Creation, by Bill Mesler
The First three Minutes, by Steven Weinberg
The Origins of Everything in 100 pages (More or Less), by David Bercovici
Origins, by Lewis Dartnell
Space Chronicles, by Neil deGrasse Tyson
The Higgs Boson and Beyond, by Sean Carroll
Oxygen, by Nick Lane
Power, Sex, Suicide, by Nick Lane
Life Unfolding, by Jamie A. Davies
Life Ascending, by Nick Lane
The Vital Question, by Nick Lane

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.28  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.26    one month ago
The one you provided is actually applicable to what I'm talking about and deals with the odds of life spontaneously generating on a planet. 

No shit? Weird...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.29  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.27    one month ago

meh, none of those work. there's no daddy sky fairy involved ... /s

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.30  evilone  replied to  devangelical @1.4.29    one month ago
meh, none of those work. there's no sky fairy involved ... /s

But the Devil is in the details. HA!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.31  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.30    one month ago

he's already fooled the most gullible. >ahem<. armageddon must take place sometime in january then ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.4.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.4.31    one month ago

It can't happen too soon as far as I'm concerned

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.4.33  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.27    one month ago
Which has to be 100 percent, correct? 

No. You are conflating what has obviously happened (life on this planet) with the odds, or likelihood, of it happening. If you have a box with 1074 red marbles and one blue one in a box, the odds are so close to zero of drawing the blue one that you couldn't get a Planck length between them. That is, just because the blue marble was drawn it was therefore guaranteed that you would draw it is unsupportable. 

And the odds are greater than the number I used. That was just the lowest number I could find concerning the odds of building one of the simplest proteins imaginable by chance. Fred Hoyle puts the number of life generating by chance at 1 in1040,000. To put the number I used into perspective it is estimated that there are around 1078 to 1082 atoms in the observable universe. That makes the probable number of likely candidate planets seem almost non-existent at those kinds of odds. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.34  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.33    one month ago
You are conflating what has obviously happened (life on this planet) with the odds...

You are arguing about the odds of something that could happen. I am arguing the odds of something that did happen, which since it did, in fact happen, are 100 percent.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.35  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.32    one month ago

 just call me the xtian conductor ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.4.36  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.33    one month ago
Fred Hoyle puts the number of life generating by chance at 1 in10 40,000

And his estimates have been substantially criticized:  

The junkyard tornado derives from arguments most popular in the 1920s, prior to the   modern evolutionary synthesis , which are rejected by evolutionary biologists. [ 5 ] [ 12 ]   A preliminary step is to establish that the   phase space   containing some biological entity (such as humans, working cells, or the eye) is enormous, something not contentious. The argument is then to infer from the huge size of the phase space that the probability that the entity could appear by chance is exceedingly low, ignoring the key process involved,   natural selection . [ 5 ]

Sometimes, arguments invoking the junkyard tornado analogy also invoke the   universal probability bound , which claims that highly improbable events do not occur. [ 3 ]   It is refuted by the fact that if   all   possible outcomes of a natural process are highly improbable when taken individually, then one of the highly improbable outcomes is certain. The true law being referenced is actually the   Strong Law of large numbers , but creationists have taken a simple statement made by Borel in books written late in his life concerning probability theory and called this statement   Borel's Law . [ citation needed ]

The calculation of the probability ignores   natural selection   and falsely assumes that there is   discrete uniform distribution . [ 13 ]   The junkyard tornado is also applied to cellular biochemistry. This is comparable to the older   infinite monkey theorem   but instead of the works of   William Shakespeare , the claim is that the probability that a   protein   molecule could achieve a   functional   sequence of   amino acids   is too low to be realised by chance alone. [ 3 ] [ 5 ]   The argument conflates the difference between the complexity that arises from living organisms that are able to reproduce themselves (and as such may evolve under natural selection to become better adapted and perhaps more complex over time) with the complexity of inanimate objects, unable to pass on any reproductive changes (such as the multitude of manufactured parts in a   Boeing 747 ). The comparison breaks down because of this important distinction.

According to Ian Musgrave in   Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations :

These people, including Fred, have committed one or more of the following errors.

  1. They calculate the probability of the formation of a "modern" protein, or even a complete bacterium with all "modern" proteins, by random events. This is not the   abiogenesis   theory at all.
  2. They assume that there is a fixed number of proteins, with fixed sequences for each protein, that are required for life.
  3. They calculate the probability of sequential trials, rather than simultaneous trials.
  4. They misunderstand what is meant by a probability calculation.
  5. They underestimate the number of functional enzymes/ribozymes present in a group of random sequences. [ 3 ]

The junkyard tornado argument is rejected by evolutionary biologists as based on false assumptions, [ 5 ]   since "no biologist imagines that complex structures arise in a single step", as   John Maynard Smith   put it. [ 12 ]   Evolutionary biology   explains how complex   cellular   structures evolved by analysing the intermediate steps required for   precellular   life. It is these intermediate steps that are omitted in creationist arguments, which is the cause of their overestimating of the improbability of the entire process. [ 3 ]

Hoyle's argument is a mainstay of pseudosciences like   creation science   and   intelligent design .   Richard Dawkins   described it as a fallacy in his book   The God Delusion , [ 14 ]   arguing that the existence of God, who under theistic uses of Hoyle's argument is implicitly responsible for the origin of life, defies probability far more than does the spontaneous origin of life even given Hoyle's assumptions. Dawkins describes God as the   Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit , [ 14 ]   an argument that philosopher   Alvin Plantinga   criticised by questioning Dawkins' contention that God is necessarily complex. [ 15 ]

Hoyle's estimate holds evolution as a random process rather than one of cumulative selection over large periods of time, it does not include the fact that complex proteins could have evolved from self-replicating molecules and assumes that complex molecules must be assembled all at once rather than incrementally over time.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.37  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.34    one month ago
ou are arguing about the odds of something that could happen. I am arguing the odds of something that did happen, which since it did, in fact happen, are 100 percent.

Right. So, I'll just let you get on with that, then. Thans for the conversation. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.38  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.37    one month ago
So, I'll just let you get on with that, then

It isn't a difficult concept. It is roughly estimated that 770 million species of complex life forms that have existed on earth. This doesn't take into account the simple forms of life like bacteria that would put that figure somewhere in the billions. And you want to tell me that the possibility of life is so infinitesimal as to be nigh impossible? 

I follow the argument that was best quoted in Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way." We know all the building blocks for life are out there nearly everywhere and the estimate of planets we have found that have the potential to sustain life is something like 300 million. 

Someday humans may even find a way to reach those worlds. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.39  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.38    one month ago

I always find it amusing that religious types can so easily accept biblical fantasy, yet balk at scientific fact.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.40  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.38    one month ago
It isn't a difficult concept. It is roughly estimated that 770 million species of complex life forms that have existed on earth. This doesn't take into account the simple forms of life like bacteria that would put that figure somewhere in the billions. And you want to tell me that the possibility of life is so infinitesimal as to be nigh impossible?

Apparently, it is. You continue to conflate what happens after life has begun with the odds of it having begun in the first place. Your position is that there is a 100% chance that life exists because life exists. As far as I can understand such reasoning, you appear to extend that to abiogenesis. That is, because life began to exist there was a 100% chance that it would in fact do so. That is like saying that because the blue marble was drawn in the example I gave earlier, there was a 100% chance that it would be drawn. If that represents your position, even approximately, then there's probably nothing I can say further that would change your mind. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.4.41  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.40    one month ago
That is, because life began to exist there was a 100% chance that it would in fact do so.

He pointed out that we know that life began to exist on Earth so, given this, the probability of life beginning on Earth is 1.    (I recommend considering Bayesian reasoning.)

There is no point arguing this.


The more interesting question is rooted in this:

evilone@1.4.38We know all the building blocks for life are out there nearly everywhere and the estimate of planets we have found that have the potential to sustain life is something like 300 million. 

Personally, I describe it differently.   The elements and physics we experience is the same (as best we can tell) throughout our universe.   Since we know life emerged here we know with 100% certainty that it is possible.   The fact that it is possible with the physics of our universe is of profound (Bayesian) importance.

So, given that there are 100s of billions of galaxies with 100s of billions of solar systems per galaxy with multiple planets and moons per solar system with an incalculable number of environments (e.g. deserts, water bodies, mountains, caves, frozen surfaces, volcanoes, ...) per planet or moon, there are an unfathomably large set of laboratories (each environment) in which life might also emerge outside of Earth.

And on top of that, the life that emerges need only be the simplest form of life (in our case, single-cell organism) and it need not be life as we know it.    That is, it need not be based on C, O2, H2O, etc.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.42  evilone  replied to  Drakkonis @1.4.40    one month ago
You continue to conflate what happens after life has begun with the odds of it having begun in the first place.

I do not.

Your position is that there is a 100% chance that life exists because life exists.

My position is 'chance' left town when 'life' rolled in.

If that represents your position, even approximately, then there's probably nothing I can say further that would change your mind. 

You don't seem to even understand what my position is yet.

By clinging to 'chance' you are stuck at primordial history. We are millenia past 'chance' and into certainty. We know with 100 percent certainty that life exists in the universe because we experience it every day. We also know that the building blocks of life AND planets are common wherever we look to find them. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.4.43  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1.4.41    one month ago
Personally, I describe it differently.   The elements and physics we experience is the same (as best we can tell) throughout our universe.   Since we know life emerged here we know with 100% certainty that it is possible.   The fact that it is possible with the physics of our universe is of profound (Bayesian) importance.

I would change possible to probable, but otherwise we agree.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.44  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.4.3    one month ago
The likelihood that anything can, or would want to, travel to the ass end of a universe at the ass end of the milky way is equally small.

we've already done enough in the last century to let them know we're here ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.4.45  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.4.44    one month ago

Was it Voyager that had the record with recordings from people around the world?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.46  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.4.45    one month ago

I don't know, but it's on it's way to an advanced civilization now, one with a record player ...

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.4.47  Drakkonis  replied to  evilone @1.4.42    one month ago
By clinging to 'chance' you are stuck at primordial history. We are millenia past 'chance' and into certainty. We know with 100 percent certainty that life exists in the universe because we experience it every day. We also know that the building blocks of life AND planets are common wherever we look to find them.

Yes, so you've said in various ways many times. I'm glad your view brings you joy, or so it seems to me. Again, thanks for the conversation (not sarcasm). 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.48  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.4.4    one month ago
the universally healthy nutritional benefits of the ultra religious ...

free range thumpers, it's what's for dinner to all intergalactic carnivores ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.49  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.4.48    one month ago

my order of ribs was short one ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2  Ed-NavDoc    one month ago

"Despite that hearing, no hard evidence has emerged concerning UAP's, extraterrestrial or a government cover-up."

I work for the government. You can trust me.😄

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3  cjcold    one month ago

Fighter pilots have failed to chase down many "foo fighters".

Astronauts have seen them in outer space.

The area 51 stories and photos have often been confirmed.

I saw something that couldn't have been anything else soooooo.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @3    one month ago

I saw some strange stuff when I was in Antarctica and also when I was on a WESTPAC in the Indian Ocean. Saw some strange lights in the water off Diego Garcia. That light was pacing the ship. Told my leading Chief about it and was told to forget about it and that I didn't see anything.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    one month ago
WESTPAC in the Indian Ocean.

Did you do Operation Sea Angel? I was in the Indian Ocean for that one.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    one month ago

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago

Nope. Mine was in 1981 on the USS Okinawa (LPH-3). Sailed from Subic Bay to Diego Garcia then transited the Maloccan Straits through the IO to Perth, Australia. 30 days straight steaming time. Spent 2 weeks in Perth then sailed underneath Australia to Sydney for anorher week. Some of the worst seas I ever experienced. Seas were so bad at one point ships in the amphib group were taking 30 degree rolls. Had to close the hangar deck doors because we were getting swells up into the hangar deck. Fun cruise.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
3.1.4  shona1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.3    one month ago

Arvo Ed..I could have waved as you sailed past..

Yes the Southern Ocean more so the the Great Australian Bight and Bass Strait are some of the roughest seas in the world..throw in the roaring 40s and you beauty...

We had some US oil rigs here years ago and the work boats were nearly vertical going up over the waves..

Stuff that..

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  shona1 @3.1.4    one month ago

Yep, the Antarctic currents combined with those hellacious Katabatic winds in the vicinity of the roaring 40's are just so much fun to experience first hand!jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
3.1.6  shona1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.5    one month ago

Man the life boats..

Not my photo.. no way would I be on that ship..

320

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @3.1.6    one month ago

you'd be tossing the dog's breakfast over the side ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  shona1 @3.1.6    one month ago

Fortunately I have never been prone to sea or motion sickness. In my early 20's I used to fly around in the back seat of jet fighters while doing air combat maneuvering exercises. Those Marine Corps pilots would try everything they could think of to make the  "Doc" in the back seat sick, but I just smiled and asked for more!

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.9  evilone  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.3    one month ago
Some of the worst seas I ever experienced.

I survived a couple of hurricanes at sea. We can mostly steer around those, but did some SAR for them. The worst, I can remember was at George's Banks in the N. Atlantic.. border waters for fisheries. In the winter we'd have 12' waves on 20' seas where it all froze on contact with the ship for days. Wedging yourself in your rack so you don't roll out in the middle of the night was always fun.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  evilone @3.1.9    one month ago

I remember once, our shipboard pharmacy almost ran out of scopalimine which is the standard prescription motion sickness drug during a typhoon off the island of Luzon in the Philippines. During a break in the weather we had to make a emergency helo run to the Naval Hospital at Subuc Bay to resupply.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    one month ago

I believe you. I've seen strange things in the sky

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
3.1.12  shona1  replied to  devangelical @3.1.7    one month ago

Morning...would be a great wave with the surf mat..but...not sure which country I would end up in..

Even jaws couldn't catch me on that wave...

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
3.1.13  shona1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.8    one month ago

Morning Ed...not keen on flying or sailing..I even come from a seafaring family..but way back when one of the rellies fell off the gang plank into a harbour and drowned.. apparently he was a Captain..

Me, I am quite partial to terra firma...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  shona1 @3.1.13    one month ago

I spent enough time at sea myself. I am much happier on dry land in the deserts of SE Arizona.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.14    one month ago

my late uncle was in the atlantic merchant marine during WWII. he never set foot on a boat again after that.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.16  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @3.1.13    one month ago
Me, I am quite partial to terra firma...

you're surf and turf on or off that sandbar ...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4  Gsquared    one month ago

Many years ago I was camping with two friends up in the mountains on Catalina Island.  Late at night a very large aircraft suddenly appeared low overhead moving very slowly and not making a sound.  There were a lot of flashing lights of different colors underneath, unlike anything you ever see on an airplane.  We were totally shocked and convinced it was a UFO.  One of the guys was former military.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gsquared @4    one month ago

I assume nobody had a camera.  So what did you do about it?  Did you report it?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    one month ago

Nobody had a camera and we didn't do anything about it except be shocked and amazed.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4    one month ago

in the mid 70's I drove up to the top of a ridge in an open field on the outskirts of town to smoke a joint with my girlfriend while gazing at the city skyline below. when we got up there a sound like a helicopter overhead was so loud we couldn't hear each other talk. I got out to look for it above us and the next thing I knew I was back in the cab of the truck and we were both looking at each other about a lost half hour later, and I couldn't find the joint. some fucking alien had obviously taken it from me. luckily I didn't get probed, but my girlfriend did after we drove back to my apartment.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  devangelical @4.2    one month ago

That sounds like an interesting experience.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4.2.1    one month ago

a bit more interesting than having my granny, who had a very high USAF security clearance and only then admitted her knowledge of project blue book after the gov't did, freaked out and wouldn't let me and my cousin set up a UFO attracting strobe light device we had brought along with us while on vacation in the middle of nowhere arizona desert the year before ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.2    one month ago

damn alien bogarted the joint

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    one month ago

She knew something and that something wasn't good.

I don't want the aliens coming here. I don't think their intentions are good

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    one month ago

as long as they dont say take me to your leader and point at trump. If that happens we'll know their intentions are not good

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    one month ago
I don't think their intentions are good

if their intentions were bad, we'd all be at the earthling feedlot waiting to be processed or slaves on gama 5 ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.7  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.2.6    one month ago

my best friend's brother went on a pack trip to fish on the grand mesa in colorado, a UFO hotspot, because it's out in the middle of bfe. he had a UFO encounter that ran off his horses for a couple days and after 40+ years I still don't know the whole story, but it fucked him up mentally for a few years. as an artist, his self rehabilitation was to draw pictures of it in a blank page journal. his brother let me look at it once and the beings that he had drawn looked very similar to those depicted on this article. I promised my best friend that I would never tell his brother that I looked at the pictures, or even ask him about the event.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.3    one month ago
damn alien bogarted the joint

it was the mid 70's so that joint was columbian too, dammit!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @4    one month ago

Also many years ago, a friend and I witnessed something very like what you described South of San Antonio. What we saw was also an impossibly large triangular shaped ship with rounded corners and lots of bright multicolored lights. There was some slow silent movement observed, but it appeared and disappeared in a flash. So, it was maybe just an illusion of movement. What we saw was at least designed to look like a gigantic Hollywood styly UFO. The best explanation we ever came up with was that what we witnessed was an experimental military grade hologram similar to those used in some big Disneyland attractions today. The purpose was theoretically to be used for "Shock And Awe" on the battlefield. There have been sporadic reports of this type military technology being tested...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.1  devangelical  replied to  JBB @4.3    one month ago

the same shit happened over phoenix years ago, with people taking videos of the craft. I can't remember the lame excuse the gov't had for it then ...

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4.3.2  shona1  replied to  devangelical @4.3.1    one month ago

Weather balloon is the standard response here...

Which is a bit surprising considering we are upside down you would think it would stay on the ground..

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.3.1    one month ago

It was military flares. I remember it

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.4  devangelical  replied to  shona1 @4.3.2    one month ago

I have enough problems maintaining my balance ...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.3.5  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @4.3    one month ago
impossibly large triangular shaped ship with rounded corners and lots of bright multicolored lights

That's like what we saw, too.

There was some slow silent movement observed, but it appeared and disappeared in a flash.

The aircraft we observed was slow and silent, but it did not appear and disappear in a flash.  It slowly moved across the sky above us, very low and filling the sky.  The three of us were absolutely dumbfounded.  This occurred sometime in the later 1980s.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.3.6  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @4.3    one month ago

Thinking about it further, I don't recall seeing it arrive or leave in the distance, it was suddenly just there moving slowly over us and then it disappeared.  Of course, we were in a mountainous area which might explain that.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.7  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4.3.6    one month ago

plenty of reports by military pilots that claim the alien craft can go from 0 to 15K mph in less than a second ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.3    one month ago

Yep. I was living in Arizona at the time and remember it quite well. Government tried to blame it on F-16's out of Luke AFB ejecting flares. Funny thing about flares being ejected from aircraft is they do not drop at a even rate because the aircraft is in motion changing altitudes. In addition, Luke AFB tower said they did not any aircraft in the air at the time of the incident. Our rich uncle got caught with his pants down on that one!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3.9  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @4.3.6    one month ago

Exactly! It was just there and then it was not. What we saw moved very slowly and silently right to left above us. And then, it was just... gone! We got out of the car to observe it...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @4.3.9    one month ago

It's observation was seen in at least across 3 states.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.3.11  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3.10    one month ago

My friend and I agreed immediately to not discuss what we saw with each other and then to draw and write about what we saw independently. We waited about a month, and then had witnesses. What we both drew and described in writing was identical. We still occasionally talk to each other and reassure ourselves that we saw what we know we saw...

There was no internet back then. Over the years we have become aware of many others who saw the exact thing. Many were near large military installations. For instance, near Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio and Fort Sill in Lawton Okla... 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.3.8    one month ago

LOL! And then the governor gave a press conference and brought in somebody dressed in an alien costume. People were upset at that because they feel he made light of the whole thing

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.3.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @4.3.11    one month ago

Fort Sam Houston? Why? I thought that was an Army medical facility that also trains medical personnel?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    one month ago

What is so danged interesting about earth that thousands of alien vehicles would want to come here?

"UFO's"  sound like a plausible thing until you actually think about it. 

There have been many thousands of "sightings" of UFO's over the years, and yet no actual physical evidence ? There may be unexplained natural phenomena , but visitation to earth from other solar systems?   Extremely unlikely, especially in the numbers we always hear about. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

a trillion plus planets in the universe and were on the only one with a form of life? uh huh ...

those UFO sightings are proof that aliens have a sense of humor and are fucking with a lesser developed life form centuries behind them in technology. it's probably alien teenagers out for a joyride and then laughing about that shit from watching intercepted media satellite news transmissions about the videos with them in it ...

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.1  evilone  replied to  devangelical @5.1    one month ago
a trillion plus planets in the universe and were on the only one with a form of life? uh huh ...

No, but they probably steer around the hillbillies of the universe on general principle. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @5.1    one month ago

I could be wrong, because I am not that scientifically inclined, but I'm fairly sure that the laws of physics are believed to apply to every nook and corner of physical existence.  The only way visitors from other worlds could come here is if they are a race of people who basically live forever and have endless amounts of time to spend traveling millions and billions of miles across space to descend on an insignificant planet in the middle of nowhere ( the main reason this is hard to believe is that any extraterrestrial civilization capable of coming here from those distances would by definition far advanced compared to earth) , or, they dont travel across space but somehow between dimensions.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.3  devangelical  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    one month ago

there's probably an intergalactic treaty not to interfere with planets that are dominated by double digit IQ's ...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago

They use a combination of warp speed and inter-dimensional travel.  I saw it on TV.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.5  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago
the laws of physics are believed to apply to every nook and corner of physical existence

why would those laws apply outside of our world to beings at least 3 millennium ahead of us in technology?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.4    one month ago

The whole "flying saucer" thing was a response to scientific advancements on earth that were deemed an existential threat ( the atomic bomb). The myth was then created that beings from other planets were coming here to warn us about our scientific folly.   If it were a real thing there would be indisputable evidence of it by now.  "Space men" are new age religious symbols.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    one month ago
why would those laws apply outside of our world to beings at least 3 millennium ahead of us in technology?

Because those laws apply everywhere. The speed of light is the speed of light. 

No, a physical object cannot go faster than the speed of light 1 2 3 4 5 As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases and requires an infinite amount of energy to move 1 3 Only massless particles, such as photons, can travel at the speed of light 2 .

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.8  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    one month ago

when locomotives were invented, some people claimed that traveling faster than 25mph would be fatal ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @5.1.8    one month ago

I dont think the speed of light can change , no matter where you are in the universe. 

The closest potentially inhabitable planet is 13 light years away.  Even if they developed a method of traveling close to the speed of light it would take 13 years to get here.  Time is time, because of the laws of relativity time passes in the same way everywhere.  If these beings live hundreds of years maybe 26 years to earth and back wouldnt seem like much , and that is possible I suppose, but there is still the question of how they got here and why. None of the pictures I have seen of UFO's look like something that could travel at the speed of light. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.10  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.9    one month ago
I dont think the speed of light can change

no argument there, but einstein suggested the concept of black holes/worm holes and bending time well before we knew that existed ...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.11  cjcold  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    one month ago

Anthropology students on class field trips.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    one month ago
they probably steer around the hillbillies of the universe on general principle. 

ummm...the ones I've seen were where  the PA hillibillies live

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago

They don't live forever. The Queen lays eggs and they hatch to become new crew members. And the Queen is replaced periodically

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    one month ago

We only know the physics that we have discovered.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.14    one month ago

There have been tens of thousands of ufo sightings in the past 70 years or so.  Does that sound like something that is real?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.16  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    one month ago
Does that sound like something that is real?  

more realistic than most of the bible bullshit I've heard ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    one month ago

yes

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.17    one month ago

thousands of trips have been made here from other galaxies? for what? they dont even land or communicate with us.  sorry, it makes no sense

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.19  evilone  replied to  devangelical @5.1.10    one month ago
no argument there, but einstein suggested the concept of black holes/worm holes and bending time well before we knew that existed ...

Wormholes in space are called Einstein - Rosen bridges. They are still theoretical though there is new evidence that black holes are spitting back more mass in the back end (white holes) than previously thought possible. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.18    one month ago

Resources. They don't have to communicate with us. They're stronger. They will just take it

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.20    one month ago

so beings from trillions of miles away come to earth to take our resources?  we must be special

The closest inhabitable planet ( doesnt mean it is inhabited, just that is has the potential to be) is 70 trillion miles from earth. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.21    one month ago

Water, John. Water.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
5.1.23  shona1  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.18    one month ago

Probably just waiting for us to wipe each other off the planet..then take over..

With Putin, Trump, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un and others what could possibly go wrong..

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  shona1 @5.1.23    one month ago

lol

I give this world another 12 months

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.22    one month ago

I can tell you watch a lot of movies. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.25    one month ago

Oh yeah? What kind of movies?

lol

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.26    one month ago

OIP.tqVxmLLj9tcKoqJgBkZmZwHaE3?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.28  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.24    one month ago
I give this world another 12 months

that's mike huckabee's schedule in the holy land ...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.1.29  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @5.1.8    one month ago

Same thing was said about air travel and the speed of sound. People really believed there was a physical barrier in the sky and that it would kill whoever approached or surpassed it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.27    one month ago

That movie is all wrong. They're not friendly. I don't care what Alan Hynek said

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.31  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.29    one month ago

And now we can fly to the moon and back

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
5.1.32  Igknorantzruls  replied to  devangelical @5.1.10    one month ago
I dont think the speed of light can change

sure it can, just move the hands.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
5.1.33  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.31    one month ago

sounds like a Honeymooner, in chains, with Alice...

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.34  evilone  replied to  cjcold @5.1.11    one month ago
Anthropology students on class field trips.

You should read Waiting for the Galactic Bus by Parke Godwin. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.1.35  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  evilone @5.1.1    one month ago

To be believe we are only ones is the ultimate vanity.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.36  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.18    one month ago

The one that I saw landed, was on the ground and then took off after I brandished a pistol. That was communication.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.37  evilone  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.35    one month ago
To be believe we are only ones is the ultimate vanity.

I never claimed to believe that. I only claim that we are very, very far away from any other potential life. I do wonder why any advanced species would be so secretive or why they would used the diversity of vehicles people claimed to have seen.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.1.38  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  evilone @5.1.37    one month ago

I was not referring to you specifically to you, but rather to humanity in general.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

I think of Earth, being way out in the spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy as it is as, being way out on the other side of the tracks. To them we are probably just not that interesting as a species and ET's don't want to get their feet dirty stepping on Earth.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2    one month ago

we're a petri dish way out where we can't contaminate the rest of the universe, no matter what we do here ...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.2.2  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @5.2.1    one month ago

Have been reading and writing sci-fi for many decades. Heinlein was always an honored guest at JPL events. Everybody was a fan and had studied science as a result. There has always been a fine line between science fiction and science fact.

Everything Jules Verne imagined became fact.

The first nuclear powered submarine was named Nautilus. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.3  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @5.2.2    one month ago

my first flip phone would chirp when I opened it, like the original star trek communicator. I really liked that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @5.2.3    one month ago

Motorola has come back with the Razor. I loved that phone!

This is my next phone:

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @5.2.1    one month ago

Pretty much.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.4    one month ago

the price has really dropped on those recently ...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.3  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago
What is so danged interesting about earth that thousands of alien vehicles would want to come here?

Reggae, of course.  They can't get it on their home planets and they love Bob Marley.  Why else would they want to come here?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @5.3    one month ago

And they're looking for killer weed

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.3.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.1    one month ago

funny, I haven't noticed an uptick in reported sightings from cali or colorado ...

 
 

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