When you're done donating your tax dollars to subsidize the lifestyles of self-identified ruralites, consider making a charitable contribution that actually supports....you know, good work that saves lives.
That said, being a rural person, I will never be a “self indentified Urbanite,” never.
Perfect example of exactly what he talks about. There are FAR fewer actual 'ruralites' than those who identify as rural but don't live in rural locations. As this guy points out, allowing them to call themselves "rural" even when they aren't by definition is just "humoring their delusion". But I guess if we can accept a person who was born male but transitioned and consider themselves female because that's how they feel on the inside, then I guess we should have no problem humoring the folk living in very urban areas but want to drive a huge truck with big knobby tires that will likely never touch any mud calling themselves "rural" as they walk around in cowboy boots but have never ridden a horse or even seen a cow that wasn't already ground up into their fast food burger they got at 2 am a mile from their "rural" house.
Now I understand that what they are has nothing to do with what they consider themselves.
Exactly. So, if we can accept a person born with male genitals but wants to be considered female then we should make room for all those millions of Trump supporters who believe themselves rural and smart when they really live in or around big cities and aren't rural at all and were gullible enough to vote for an obvious conman who will never make good on the promises he made during the campaign. Though I must admit, even if a MAGAite doesn't live in a rural area, they can still be more likely to date a relative and thus are bringing the "rural" to the suburbs or "ex-urbs" as the video points out.
As an urbanite at heart, in appreciation of the diversity, the art community, and the culinary opportunities, I unexpectedly find myself enjoying a return to small town life as well.
After all, a happy life is ultimately relational.
Run in to many longtime friends who have never had the will to travel outside their comfort zone. It does explain how entrenched some good people become to believe anything outside that comfort zone is anathema to their worldview.
A stranger in a strange land, but that is not a condemnation, just an affirmation that there are good hearted people wherever one chooses to lay their head. Find them, cherish them, and never judge them if they don’t exactly align with your own vision of the world. If that makes me ‘woke’…so be it. Peace!
Not something I expected left leaners to connect to trans people, but if it helps hate on people who look like they might be Trump supporters, I guess Elliot Page is shit out of luck.
as they walk around in cowboy boots
I live in Texas. Everybody has cowboy boots. By "everybody" I mean everybody from actual cowboys to businessmen to electricians to chicks in short skirts to gay dudes in Oak Lawn to old ladies in Ft Worth to purple haired "mostly peaceful protesters" in Austin. It's not an urban/rural thing. It unites us like chips & salsa.
Hmmm ... Isn't this guy really playing the intellectual cosplay game? So, Mr. Urbanite, how do you feed yourself, who supplies your energy, where do you dispose of your garbage and sweet smellin' body waste? Where does your paper come from for those intellectual tomes?
Cities cannot survive without rural America. So, robbing rural America of opportunities, infrastructure, health care, and all the other amenities available to urbanites ultimately makes the urban lifestyle impossible to sustain. That may be intellectually satisfying but it's not common sense.
Rural America ain't going away, folks. Cities couldn't survive without rural America. That kinda changes the dynamic of the intellectual cosplay. So, explain why people want to see themselves as rural instead of urban? If urban America is so wonderful then why don't more people embrace that identity?
I live in southeast Minnesota in a town of 1600 people. I'm surrounded by corn fields (or soy beans depending on the market). It's 15 miles to the nearest grocery store. There really are more churches than bars in town (5 to 1). The city bought the local golf course to keep the business in town (the owner was retiring). Some of the local issues has been opposition to expansion of a dairy farm, concerns about mining fracking sand, and how to merge school districts so we don't lose our school.
Rochester, MN, is the nearest city at 50 miles. (Yep, going to the city is an investment of two hours driving, round trip, and $10 to $15 for gas at today's prices.) The nearest major airport is 120 miles. Picking someone up at the airport requires more than four hours, round trip. We are fortunate to have an Amtrak station 15 miles away but the city folks want to do away with that.
Where I grew up was more rural than where I live now. So, yeah, I self identify as rural.
So, why do so many people prefer to be seen as dumb rednecks rather than sophisticated urban intellectuals?
That's a great question. I don't know.
My best bet is that lots of people understand, deep down, that they aren't really very knowledgeable about... anything. Rather than accept the fact, and beware of hoodwinkers, do due diligence, fact check and all that tiresome stuff you need if you don't want to be too terribly wrong... they simply reject others who actually are knowledgeable.
Kinda "If I'm not an expert... then no one is an expert!"
Personally, I wouldn't want to be identified as "rural", precisely because "rural" is associated with "actively anti-intellectual" which is very, very stupid. At the same time, I know that I'm not an expert on anything whatsoever. I know that I have a good level of general knowledge, but that just means I usually know where to look to get serious information.
Half-ton pickups with leather interiors and pristine beds are common here in Yuma. That's my image of Delahanty's "rural".
My best bet is that lots of people understand, deep down, that they aren't really very knowledgeable about... anything. Rather than accept the fact, and beware of hoodwinkers, do due diligence, fact check and all that tiresome stuff you need if you don't want to be too terribly wrong... they simply reject others who actually are knowledgeable.
Or maybe they can trace their immediate ancestry to rural America. 40 pct of the US population was rural in 1950. Suburbia didn't really emerge until latter half of the 20th century. Urban centers were being abandoned for suburbia. There really was a lot of political effort expended in revitalizing urban centers with rather mixed results. Remember that any success in urban revitalization was considered gentrification?
People who had fled to suburbia did not want to identify with urban centers that were havens to crime, poverty, and urban decay. They moved to suburbia to escape an urban environment that was in decline. As was pointed out in the video, if you're not urban then you must be rural. There aren't any other classifications.
Also keep in mind that there weren't urban plantations. So, Civil Rights in the latter half of the 20th century requires rural roots for self identity. Indigenous people do not celebrate an urban past. And the glorification of wild, open spaces by the environmental movement encourages a rural self identity. The enviro-geeks don't celebrate pristine, untouched urban centers as a desirable environment, do they?
Half-ton pickups with leather interiors and pristine beds are common here in Yuma. That's my image of Delahanty's "rural".
Manufacturers like light trucks and SUVs because they are not regulated as stringently as passenger cars. That, alone, allows adding features to attract consumers in a more cost effective manner and boosts the profit margin. And drivers prefer the bigger vehicles for mixing it up with 80,000 lb commercial trucks in daily traffic. Semi trucks are involved in accidents at a disproportionate rate and accidents involving semi trucks are more likely to be fatal. A taller vehicle, like a light truck, can be pushed aside by a semi truck but a shorter vehicle, like a passenger car, is at greater risk of being crushed. And the bed of a semi truck is at just the right height to decapitate people in a passenger car.
Nothing about the video or discussion above says anything about actual rural Americans or the goods they provide to urban areas. It's a discussion about those who self-identify as rural yet don't actually live in a rural community. You know, the MAGAites who wear cowboy boots and drive a lifted truck but live downtown or just outside of a big city and have to reach down out their window to grab the bag of Big Mac's and fries. So many apparently being "rural" is simply a mindset, not a statement of where you actually live.
Nothing about the video or discussion above says anything about actual rural Americans or the goods they provide to urban areas. It's a discussion about those who self-identify as rural yet don't actually live in a rural community. You know, the MAGAites who wear cowboy boots and drive a lifted truck but live downtown or just outside of a big city and have to reach down out their window to grab the bag of Big Mac's and fries. So many apparently being "rural" is simply a mindset, not a statement of where you actually live.
Well, that is true, to a point. The video spends considerable time making the point that suburbia is an urban environment. But is that correct?
The presenter doesn't discuss suburbia becoming attractive because of urban decay. People did not want to identify with an urban environment plagued by poverty, crime, and economic decline. People only have a choice of identifying as urban or rural; there isn't an in between classification for suburbia.
If people don't want to be associated with the inner city then the only other option is to self identify as rural. Inner city problems made an urban self identity unattractive.
Where does most of the U.S. population live urban or rural?
According to the data, the majority of the U.S. population lives in urban areas.
Do more people in US live urban or rural?
It is estimated that 83% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas, up from 64% in 1950. By 2050, 89% of the U.S. population and 68% of the world population is projected to live in urban areas.
Where does the majority of the population live in the US?
About 46 million Americans live in the nation’s rural counties, 175 million in its suburbs and small metros and about 98 million in its urban core counties.
What percent of U.S. population is rural?
Rural areas in the United States, often referred to as rural America, consist of approximately 97% of the United States’ land area. An estimated 60 million people, or one in five residents (17.9% of the total U.S. population), live in rural America.
I actually live in a rural environment, surrounded by Amish communities and family farms that have been feeding the locals and beyond and providing milk for multiple generations. Contrary to the beliefs of many it is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural community - we have farmers and other hard working people of all colors, religions, sexual persuasions and even political leanings.
We have a new phenomenon which locals describe as weekend farmers - people tired of the filth, the crime and the overcrowding of Cleveland and its environs that commute more than an hour each way every day to work and now live in the country.
They are easy to identify -
fancy sports cars and land rovers (most have abandoned ev's since charging stations are very rare around here
they come to their kids sporting events in suits while the locals are all in denim and flannel
at community town halls they complain about the need for charging stations, coffee shops and better restaurants while the locals raise questions about improving schools, snow plowing and getting another GP assigned to the village clinic
We welcome everyone in our little piece of heaven, but it is easy to see the square pieces making little effort to fit into the obviously round holes of the community.
Actually, city dwellers acting like rural dwellers, isn’t the real mega trend. That would be city dwellers, moving to rural areas to get away from the city and then trying to change the rural area to be more like the city they just moved from. It’s FUBAR
Our storage facilities are full of folks just like this. Standing in line to get their new citified property built.
We first started snowbirding to Yuma a dozen years ago (when real estate was very low).
There was almost no construction for several years. Three or four years ago, construction exploded. Cookie-cutter single-family three-garage (but giant pickups parked in the driveway) homes on lots hardly larger than the house. Nothing whatsoever within walking/biking distance. Close to a noisy Interstate.
This is about NewsTalkers, so I guess it will be banished to Meta...
I could only make it few minutes. That guys voice was eating my brain.
That said, being a rural person, I will never be a “self indentified Urbanite,” never.
This sounds like only a citified person problem …..
Perfect example of exactly what he talks about. There are FAR fewer actual 'ruralites' than those who identify as rural but don't live in rural locations. As this guy points out, allowing them to call themselves "rural" even when they aren't by definition is just "humoring their delusion". But I guess if we can accept a person who was born male but transitioned and consider themselves female because that's how they feel on the inside, then I guess we should have no problem humoring the folk living in very urban areas but want to drive a huge truck with big knobby tires that will likely never touch any mud calling themselves "rural" as they walk around in cowboy boots but have never ridden a horse or even seen a cow that wasn't already ground up into their fast food burger they got at 2 am a mile from their "rural" house.
"Rural" is apparently like male/female: people are what they declare themselves to be.
I knew that 80% of Americans are urban. Now I understand that what they are has nothing to do with what they consider themselves.
Exactly. So, if we can accept a person born with male genitals but wants to be considered female then we should make room for all those millions of Trump supporters who believe themselves rural and smart when they really live in or around big cities and aren't rural at all and were gullible enough to vote for an obvious conman who will never make good on the promises he made during the campaign. Though I must admit, even if a MAGAite doesn't live in a rural area, they can still be more likely to date a relative and thus are bringing the "rural" to the suburbs or "ex-urbs" as the video points out.
That's very woke of you, accepting the way one self-identifies urban/rural.
“…the way one self-identifies urban/rural.”
As an urbanite at heart, in appreciation of the diversity, the art community, and the culinary opportunities, I unexpectedly find myself enjoying a return to small town life as well.
After all, a happy life is ultimately relational.
Run in to many longtime friends who have never had the will to travel outside their comfort zone. It does explain how entrenched some good people become to believe anything outside that comfort zone is anathema to their worldview.
A stranger in a strange land, but that is not a condemnation, just an affirmation that there are good hearted people wherever one chooses to lay their head. Find them, cherish them, and never judge them if they don’t exactly align with your own vision of the world. If that makes me ‘woke’…so be it. Peace!
Wow.
Not something I expected left leaners to connect to trans people, but if it helps hate on people who look like they might be Trump supporters, I guess Elliot Page is shit out of luck.
I live in Texas. Everybody has cowboy boots. By "everybody" I mean everybody from actual cowboys to businessmen to electricians to chicks in short skirts to gay dudes in Oak Lawn to old ladies in Ft Worth to purple haired "mostly peaceful protesters" in Austin. It's not an urban/rural thing. It unites us like chips & salsa.
Hmmm ... Isn't this guy really playing the intellectual cosplay game? So, Mr. Urbanite, how do you feed yourself, who supplies your energy, where do you dispose of your garbage and sweet smellin' body waste? Where does your paper come from for those intellectual tomes?
Cities cannot survive without rural America. So, robbing rural America of opportunities, infrastructure, health care, and all the other amenities available to urbanites ultimately makes the urban lifestyle impossible to sustain. That may be intellectually satisfying but it's not common sense.
Rural America ain't going away, folks. Cities couldn't survive without rural America. That kinda changes the dynamic of the intellectual cosplay. So, explain why people want to see themselves as rural instead of urban? If urban America is so wonderful then why don't more people embrace that identity?
Where do you live? "Rural America" is Monsanto.
I live in southeast Minnesota in a town of 1600 people. I'm surrounded by corn fields (or soy beans depending on the market). It's 15 miles to the nearest grocery store. There really are more churches than bars in town (5 to 1). The city bought the local golf course to keep the business in town (the owner was retiring). Some of the local issues has been opposition to expansion of a dairy farm, concerns about mining fracking sand, and how to merge school districts so we don't lose our school.
Rochester, MN, is the nearest city at 50 miles. (Yep, going to the city is an investment of two hours driving, round trip, and $10 to $15 for gas at today's prices.) The nearest major airport is 120 miles. Picking someone up at the airport requires more than four hours, round trip. We are fortunate to have an Amtrak station 15 miles away but the city folks want to do away with that.
Where I grew up was more rural than where I live now. So, yeah, I self identify as rural.
OK. 20% of Americans are not urban.
Yup. Even less of that 20 pct rural population feeds the 80 pct, too.
So, why do so many people prefer to be seen as dumb rednecks rather than sophisticated urban intellectuals?
That's a great question. I don't know.
My best bet is that lots of people understand, deep down, that they aren't really very knowledgeable about... anything. Rather than accept the fact, and beware of hoodwinkers, do due diligence, fact check and all that tiresome stuff you need if you don't want to be too terribly wrong... they simply reject others who actually are knowledgeable.
Kinda "If I'm not an expert... then no one is an expert!"
Personally, I wouldn't want to be identified as "rural", precisely because "rural" is associated with "actively anti-intellectual" which is very, very stupid. At the same time, I know that I'm not an expert on anything whatsoever. I know that I have a good level of general knowledge, but that just means I usually know where to look to get serious information.
Half-ton pickups with leather interiors and pristine beds are common here in Yuma. That's my image of Delahanty's "rural".
Or maybe they can trace their immediate ancestry to rural America. 40 pct of the US population was rural in 1950. Suburbia didn't really emerge until latter half of the 20th century. Urban centers were being abandoned for suburbia. There really was a lot of political effort expended in revitalizing urban centers with rather mixed results. Remember that any success in urban revitalization was considered gentrification?
People who had fled to suburbia did not want to identify with urban centers that were havens to crime, poverty, and urban decay. They moved to suburbia to escape an urban environment that was in decline. As was pointed out in the video, if you're not urban then you must be rural. There aren't any other classifications.
Also keep in mind that there weren't urban plantations. So, Civil Rights in the latter half of the 20th century requires rural roots for self identity. Indigenous people do not celebrate an urban past. And the glorification of wild, open spaces by the environmental movement encourages a rural self identity. The enviro-geeks don't celebrate pristine, untouched urban centers as a desirable environment, do they?
Manufacturers like light trucks and SUVs because they are not regulated as stringently as passenger cars. That, alone, allows adding features to attract consumers in a more cost effective manner and boosts the profit margin. And drivers prefer the bigger vehicles for mixing it up with 80,000 lb commercial trucks in daily traffic. Semi trucks are involved in accidents at a disproportionate rate and accidents involving semi trucks are more likely to be fatal. A taller vehicle, like a light truck, can be pushed aside by a semi truck but a shorter vehicle, like a passenger car, is at greater risk of being crushed. And the bed of a semi truck is at just the right height to decapitate people in a passenger car.
Nothing about the video or discussion above says anything about actual rural Americans or the goods they provide to urban areas. It's a discussion about those who self-identify as rural yet don't actually live in a rural community. You know, the MAGAites who wear cowboy boots and drive a lifted truck but live downtown or just outside of a big city and have to reach down out their window to grab the bag of Big Mac's and fries. So many apparently being "rural" is simply a mindset, not a statement of where you actually live.
You do understand that it's forbidden, on NewsTalkers, to actually pay attention to a seed! You're gonna get in trouble!
Well, that is true, to a point. The video spends considerable time making the point that suburbia is an urban environment. But is that correct?
The presenter doesn't discuss suburbia becoming attractive because of urban decay. People did not want to identify with an urban environment plagued by poverty, crime, and economic decline. People only have a choice of identifying as urban or rural; there isn't an in between classification for suburbia.
If people don't want to be associated with the inner city then the only other option is to self identify as rural. Inner city problems made an urban self identity unattractive.
Some interesting numbers regarding urban vs rural
Where does most of the U.S. population live urban or rural?
According to the data, the majority of the U.S. population lives in urban areas.
Do more people in US live urban or rural?
It is estimated that 83% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas, up from 64% in 1950. By 2050, 89% of the U.S. population and 68% of the world population is projected to live in urban areas.
Where does the majority of the population live in the US?
About 46 million Americans live in the nation’s rural counties, 175 million in its suburbs and small metros and about 98 million in its urban core counties.
What percent of U.S. population is rural?
Rural areas in the United States, often referred to as rural America, consist of approximately 97% of the United States’ land area. An estimated 60 million people, or one in five residents (17.9% of the total U.S. population), live in rural America.
Where does most of the U.S. population live urban or rural? - Geographic FAQ Hub: Answers to Your Global Questions
As Dismayed Patriot says above , the video isn't about genuine rurality. It's about urban cowboys, wannabe good ol' boys.
I seeded it because it describes so many members here on NT.
Do you have a cite? Or is that merely your opinion?
Bob
I figured that out.
I actually live in a rural environment, surrounded by Amish communities and family farms that have been feeding the locals and beyond and providing milk for multiple generations. Contrary to the beliefs of many it is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural community - we have farmers and other hard working people of all colors, religions, sexual persuasions and even political leanings.
We have a new phenomenon which locals describe as weekend farmers - people tired of the filth, the crime and the overcrowding of Cleveland and its environs that commute more than an hour each way every day to work and now live in the country.
They are easy to identify -
fancy sports cars and land rovers (most have abandoned ev's since charging stations are very rare around here
they come to their kids sporting events in suits while the locals are all in denim and flannel
at community town halls they complain about the need for charging stations, coffee shops and better restaurants while the locals raise questions about improving schools, snow plowing and getting another GP assigned to the village clinic
We welcome everyone in our little piece of heaven, but it is easy to see the square pieces making little effort to fit into the obviously round holes of the community.
I wonder what percentage of Americans live "beyond suburbia". Sounds good.
After watching 25 minutes of the video, I have but one conclusion: We have all truly gone mad.
Actually, city dwellers acting like rural dwellers, isn’t the real mega trend. That would be city dwellers, moving to rural areas to get away from the city and then trying to change the rural area to be more like the city they just moved from. It’s FUBAR
Our storage facilities are full of folks just like this. Standing in line to get their new citified property built.
We first started snowbirding to Yuma a dozen years ago (when real estate was very low).
There was almost no construction for several years. Three or four years ago, construction exploded. Cookie-cutter single-family three-garage (but giant pickups parked in the driveway) homes on lots hardly larger than the house. Nothing whatsoever within walking/biking distance. Close to a noisy Interstate.
Why?
A nation of wannabe's. Aren't happy with what they see in the mirror but "what the Jone's have is what they want".