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TRUMPXIT: The Bell Tools for Thee

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  bob-nelson  •  one week ago  •  39 comments

TRUMPXIT: The Bell Tools for Thee



We were once indispensable.

Now we’re just unpredictable.

Economic power runs on trust.

Trump has burned trust in America to the ground.

Brexit slashed Britain’s growth.

Trumpxit is now doing the same over here.

And it will do it even if no tariff is ever imposed…


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Yes... sure... okay... The average American is going to get screwed, royally.

But the billionaires will be fine, so it's all good! Right?

There are links in the seed.




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The very sharp Matthew Winkler put a stake in the ground last year. He assessed the damage from Britain’s 2016 Brexit:

Matthew Winkler (2024): Brexit’s Lasting Damage Is Looking Inescapable < https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-19/brexit-s-lasting-economic-and-financial-damage-looks-inescapable >: ‘By almost every economic and financial measure, parting ways with the EU almost eight years ago has been disastrous for the UK. Is there no end in sight?… The toll of the June 23, 2016, referendum was more than double any of the eight worst days since 1981….

Sterling's sudden collapse and failure to recover proved to be the signal that Britain's best days are fleeting. For most of this century, the UK was the biggest beneficiary among the 27 countries in the EU. Measured by gross domestic product, GDP per capita growth, unemployment and superior debt, equity and currency valuations, Britain was the perennial leader. All of these superlatives ended with “Brexit” almost eight years ago. The EU since then outperforms the UK, whose listless economy is now little more than an also-ran….

The average premium investors pay for the future profits generated by the stocks in the 20 countries… [in] the euro zone, is 25%…. Between 2006 and 2019… [it] was zero…. Investors perceived no difference between the… euro zone and… UK…. The market… got it right. More than 50% of the British electorate belatedly acknowledged sterling's June 2016 omen when they told polling firm YouGov in July they would vote to join the EU again …. British politicians instead show no hesitation offering prescriptions for the plight of Gaza 3,000 miles away and yet can't be bothered to discuss remedies for the failure to protect vital UK industries such as finance and data while the public increasingly blames rising shop prices, reduced health care and broken public services on the vote to leave the EU.

Far from being the bloated, inefficient bureaucracy derided by Euroskeptics -- led by former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson when he was the fabulist journalist for the London Telegraph -- who colored the prevailing Brexit media narrative… the bloc’s per capita GDP increased 19%, or 2.19 percentage points more than the UK on annual basis since 2016…. Between 2000 and 2016 the euro zone trailed the UK by six basis points…. Britain had everything to gain from its EU inclusion and little to lose as the bloc expanded with the fall of the Soviet Union's Berlin Wall and rapid integration of Eastern European countries.… No one doubts now that Brexit hindered rather than helped the ailing British economy…

And now, for us Americans, it is very clear that we need to listen to the tolling of the bell that tells us what Britain has experienced over the past ten years as a result of that extremely unwise choice. And we need to remember John Donne: “Ask not for whom the bell tolls: it tolls for thee”.

It is becoming increasingly clear to me: Suppose Donald Trump were to stand before the cameras tomorrow and say “never mind” to all of his proposed tariffs, export restrictions, and trade-war bluster. Suppose he were to retreat from the abyss with a mischievous grin. Suppose he were to declare it all a test. Suppose he were to do all of that. Then the odds are the damage would have already been done, for we would still be living in a post- Trumpxit world.


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Bob Nelson
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1  author  Bob Nelson    one week ago

'Course... to profit from the lessons of history, one must know a little history.

How much, do you imagine, does Donald Trump know about Brexit?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    one week ago

Irrelevant. Trump knows what he knows and who cares about Brexit?............well other than yourself.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    one week ago
Irrelevant. Trump knows what he knows and who cares about Brexit?............well other than yourself.

yep, when did history ever predict anything anyway....?

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.2  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    one week ago
Irrelevant.

Isn't that what General Custar said when he was told the Indigenous were pissed?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    one week ago
Trump knows what he knows and who cares about Brexit?............well other than yourself.

That's the clearest "statement of faith" I've ever heard. No religious fervor could match it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @1.1.2    one week ago

Nope................

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.3    one week ago

How did Brexit affect and change your life and what you do? Mine, none. So who gives a shit?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.6  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.5    one week ago

I dislike stupidity.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.6    one week ago

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Bob Nelson
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1.1.8  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.7    one week ago
Can you answer the question?[]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.8    one week ago

I sincerely doubt you would get a ticket for an answer to something as simple as this..........

How did Brexit affect and change your life and what you do?[]

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    one week ago
How much, do you imagine, does Donald Trump know about Brexit?

Trump chains all the Brexit doors at the White Power House of panes, for everyone knows Trump sticks his middle finger in the face of reason, then says, he was just teasin his heir S, cause Trump the copywrite infringement cougar thinks he and Snaglepuss which he has admitted to doing, Snaglepussin around town, thinks Brexit Stage Left, is his battle cry, for help we would wish, but ole Snaglepuss's new version of government perversion is quite the occursion, asz his phat orange asz can't depart that house fast, enuff to save US

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2    one week ago

ummmmmmmmmmmmm........................

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    one week ago

Besides knowing a little history, one should know a little literature, and I want you to know I appreciated your reference to Meditation XVII.  It would be a better world we live in if all followed that advice and realized that no man is an island, entire unto itself. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.3.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    one week ago

I'll be honest: I didn't know it came from Donne. I thought it was Hemingway, direct. And I'm just the seeder, not the author. But thanks for giving credit where it isn't due!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.3.1    one week ago

Well, at least you chose it to post on NT, and I suppose the titile did have some meaning to you notwithstanding it was through Hemingway's use of the message of 16th century author John Donne's essay. 

The significance of not seeking out for whom the bell tolls can be explained simply by the fact that there were no newspapers or method to announce the death of a resident of a town other than by the tolling of the church bell, which would cause the residents to go to the church to find out who died.  What John Donne has indicated is that it was not necessary to find out who died, because  we all have  a little part at least of all others, at least of whom we have known within us, and that part dies as well, so that we all die a little so it was not necessary to know other than we each died a little.  That concept of having within us a part of each other is amplified by his comparing us with geography, in that no man is an island (i.e. only oneself without being connected with others) by also writing in that essay "no man is an island, but is a part of the main" i.e, a part of all humanity.

Back in my weekend hippie days a friend who was a folksinger died of lung cancer (she had smoked a lot) I officiated at her funeral attended by her friends, about 30 young people, and I used the lesson of Meditation XVII in my eulogy - i.e. that when she died, we all died al little bit.  

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.3.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.2    one week ago
That concept of having within us a part of each other is amplified by his comparing us with geography, in that no man is an island (i.e. only oneself without being connected with others) by also writing in that essay "no man is an island, but is a part of the main" i.e, a part of all humanity.

I once dated a girl who was so very nice and good, that she didn't have an evil bone in her body...except for Mine ! She didn't call it and I didn't claim to be an island. She stated we were more like one with the Peninsula inside her, as the current heaved our bodies too, and fro, and that's how I want to go for my brexit 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.3.3    one week ago

Go for it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    one week ago

Curious............how does a bell tool?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    one week ago

removed for context

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    one week ago

The Dow Jones started the day up around 1750 pts.  As of right now it has given up all that and is barely above water for the day.  That is another collapse on the level of the days since the tariffs were announced. 

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JohnRussell
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3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

Would Fox News preach patience if a Democrat tanked the economy?

And let’s say this Democratic president has a weirdo rich pal he named Treasury secretary, and that guy –   who’s worth a cool half-billion   at least – went on TV and   shrugged off the idea that Americans thinking about retiring   are worried about the tariffs fallout.

In this scenario, Republicans would have already impeached the Democratic president – twice. Pitchfork sales among right-leaning Americans would have skyrocketed, and the Treasury secretary would have had to flee the country. Fox News would have wall-to-wall coverage painting this hypothetical president as a literal demon and demanding he step down because he’s insane or a communist or both.

Stocks crash, Trump goes golfing. Hypocrisy, thy name is GOP | Opinion
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

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JBB
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3.2.1  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2    one week ago

No, massive tax increases (The tariffs Trump imposed are taxes Americans will have to pay on imported raw materials and manufactured goods) plus seeing all their retirement accounts decimated are having the opposite effect of making people happy!

Except for maybe Vlad Putin and Little Kim and Chairman Xi...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @3.2.1    one week ago

104% tariffs are not expected to please Chairman Xi, but China is not Zimbabwe, and the retaliation is going to really hurt Americans, which IMO they deserve only if they voted to make that ignorant megalomaniac their PotUS.  China has survived a lot of onslaughts in its 5000 year history and come out stronger every time, and this one will not be an exception to that. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3  Hallux  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one week ago

Down 319 at closing.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @3.3    one week ago

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George
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3.3.2  George  replied to  Hallux @3.3    one week ago

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Hallux
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3.3.3  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.3.1    one week ago
See 3.2

Why? I feel for those about to retire. Very anti-Ayn of me ... /s

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3.4  Hallux  replied to  George @3.3.2    one week ago

That was the djia at 4 p.m. ... they made a correction on or about 4:05 p.m.

Any more dumbfuck questions re typos?

 
 
 
George
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3.3.5  George  replied to  Hallux @3.3.4    one week ago

If it was a typo i wouldn't have commented, but an outright lie deserves to be called out.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @3.3.3    one week ago

You mean you're not a selfish asshole?

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3.7  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.6    one week ago

Not yet, butt I'm working at it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.3.8  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  George @3.3.5    one week ago

When I say something is a lie, I get a ticket.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.3.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @3.3.3    one week ago

People retired or close to retirement should not be 100 percent in the stock market.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.3.10  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @3.3.3    one week ago

Why?

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3.11  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.10    one week ago

Why what? Why do I have empathy for retirees and not for let's say serial killers like Ayn Rand?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.3.12  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.3.8    one week ago
When I say something is a lie, I get a ticket.

ole George accused me of lying on another seed today. I only LIE whence sitting up in bed

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    one week ago

Trump says tariffed countries are calling him up and "kissing my ass".

 
 

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