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Federal agents involved in Minneapolis shooting amid massive ICE crackdown | New York Post

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  10 months ago  •  285 comments

By:   Chris Nesi (New York Post)

Federal agents involved in Minneapolis shooting amid massive ICE crackdown | New York Post
Federal agents in Minneapolis were involved in a shooting on a residential street, as dozens of protesters shouted anti-ICE slogans behind yellow police line tape Wednesday.

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By Chris Nesi Published Jan. 7, 2026, 12:12 p.m. ET

Federal agents in Minneapolis were involved in a shooting on a residential street, as dozens of protesters shouted anti-ICE slogans behind yellow police line tape Wednesday.

The gunfire rang out on East 34th Street and Portland Avenue, according to an X post from the City of Minneapolis. "Please avoid this area," city officials urged, without specifying who was involved.

The incident comes amid the largest-scale deployment of immigration enforcement agents to Minneapolis since the start of the second Trump administration.

3Federal agents in Minneapolis were involved in a shooting on a residential street, as dozens of protesters shouted anti-ICE slogans behind yellow police line tape Wednesday. Scootercaster/FreedomNewsTV3The gunfire rang out on East 34th Street and Portland Avenue, according to an X post from the City of Minneapolis. Scootercaster/FreedomNewsTV3The incident comes amid the largest-scale deployment of immigration enforcement agents to Minneapolis since the start of the second Trump administration. Scootercaster/FreedomNewsTV

Minneapolis Council Member Jason Chavez said on social media platform Bluesky that Border Patrol Chief Gregory Bovino had responded to the scene.

Video livestreamed from the scene by Fox 9 shows agents standing side by side on the street, with throngs of protesters filming the scene with their phones, some cursing at the agents.

"Get the f—k out of our city! We're not scared of you!" one person could be heard shouting.
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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

According to some twitter comments I have seen an ICE officer shot a woman in the face. 

We shall see i guess. 

 
 
 
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

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3  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

The woman, described as an American citizen , has died. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3    10 months ago

FAFO

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1    10 months ago

Not surprising from a fan of Donald Trumps depravity. 

 
 
 
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3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    10 months ago

If reporting is correct that this was yet another leftist ramming incident, she deserved what she got. 

 
 
 
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3.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    10 months ago

Maybe, maybe not. Its hard to know the truth when many of the ICE agents are psycohpaths. 

 
 
 
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    10 months ago

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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.4    10 months ago

According to what I heard the dead woman was an American citizen. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.6  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    10 months ago

So? Are there no American citizens that are dredges of society?[✘]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.6    10 months ago

I seeded an article this morning that demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump is depraved. The examples of it run into the dozens now. He is described as the most indecent man to ever hold the presidency.  Of course his die hard supporters are going to come under ridicule for continuing to support this unAmerican psychotic. 

 
 
 
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3.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    10 months ago
 
 
 
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3.1.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    10 months ago

Ashley Babbit deserved what she got.  This poor woman was a threat to nobody.  Too bad ICE is an organization saturated with nazi sleazebags with snowflake maga sensibilities.  It might not be long before ICE starts getting gunned down themselves on a regular basis.

 
 
 
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3.1.10  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    10 months ago

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bugsy
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3.1.11  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.9    10 months ago
This poor woman was a threat to nobody.

So trying to ram ICE agents is considered a non threat to leftists?

Answer by them....yes...yes it is. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.9    10 months ago

ICE has been in a hiring frenzy. No doubt they are hiring some very twisted personalities.  Now we have to question if there will even be an honest investigation here , since it will probably be done by ICE itself and Patels FBI. 

 
 
 
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3.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.9    10 months ago
oo bad ICE is an organization saturated with nazi sleazebags with snowflake maga sensibilities.

Were they nazis during the last administration when they were doing their jobs, albeit handcuffed with most situations. 

"It might not be long before ICE starts getting gunned down themselves on a regular basis."

Maybe you have not been paying attention, but this has already happened....by leftists.

 
 
 
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3.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.10    10 months ago

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3.1.15  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    10 months ago
since it will probably be done by ICE itself and Patels FBI. 

Who would you rather do the investigation? The people on the sidewalk screaming at ICE and threatening them?

 
 
 
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3.1.16  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.14    10 months ago
ou are pathetic man. 

No, man, I am not. 

I call things as they are, not just by feelings.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.15    10 months ago

Offhand I would say the Minnesota State Police.  I wouldnt trust Pam Bondi or Kash Patel for an instant to fairly investigate this. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    10 months ago
Its hard to know the truth

For a second there I though you were going to make a reasonable comment like it's hard to know the truth until all the facts are in 

But then you ended it with:

when many of the ICE agents are psycohpaths.

And your record of nonsense remains intact.

 
 
 
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3.1.19  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @3.1.13    10 months ago

Silly me - I thought nobody was stupid enough to believe that Trump ICE and ICE from other administrations were similar, but I stand corrected.  Trump ICE pretends to only go after immigrants with criminal records and hires lowlifes who are unemployed because they are unemployable by any company with good judgement.

 
 
 
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3.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.18    10 months ago

I dont doubt that there is a possibility that the woman was a threat to an agents life, in terms of his fear she was trying to run him over.  Its not an impossibility. 

A few months ago ICE agents shot a woman in her car who was performing the same service this woman was doing (following ICE in order to warn people of their location) . In Chicago ICE claimed the woman was trying to ram them and thats why they shot her. A Chicago Police Dept investigation found that to be false. 

 
 
 
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3.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    10 months ago

Re-read John's comment at .

A witness stated that she was trying to turn around but the ICE agent was standing in front of her car. Apparently she didn't move fast enough so he shot her. The car then accelerated and crashed into an utility pole. When he shot her she probably died right then and there but her foot pressed down on the accelerator.

I would copy and paste it for you but the way it's posted that's not possible

 
 
 
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3.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.19    10 months ago
Silly me - I thought nobody was stupid enough to believe that Trump ICE and ICE from other administrations were similar, but I stand corrected.  Trump ICE pretends to only go after immigrants with criminal records and hires lowlifes who are unemployed because they are unemployable by any company with good judgement

This whole post is nothing more than feelings based. 

When you have proof that the agents being hired are how you describe, then get back with me. Otherwise, your posts are nothing more than shredder material.

 
 
 
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3.1.23  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.20    10 months ago
A Chicago Police Dept investigation found that to be false. 

Lol. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    10 months ago

I thought this was a link to a group at Newstalkers...haha

 
 
 
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3.1.25  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.21    10 months ago
A witness

You mean someone on the side of the street screaming at ICE demanding they get out of the city?

Yea...they are credible s/

 
 
 
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3.1.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @3.1.16    10 months ago

meh

 
 
 
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3.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @3.1.25    10 months ago

So you wait until I try to get you to pay attention to a comment John made before you say anything about the witness. I know your agenda. Not today

 
 
 
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3.1.28  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.27    10 months ago

I saw the comment and decided to not opine on it because of the reason I gave you in 3.1.25

 
 
 
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3.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.23    10 months ago

copilot

🔹 Charges were dropped

WTTW News reported that:

  • Federal prosecutors dismissed the criminal charges against Martinez, which had accused her of assaulting federal agents.

  • The dismissal strongly suggests prosecutors did not believe they could prove she intended to harm agents.

 
 
 
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3.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.27    10 months ago

The mayor of Minneapolis is going off on ICE. He says he has seen a video and the ICE claims are bullshit

 
 
 
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3.1.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.20    10 months ago
I dont doubt that there is a possibility that the woman was a threat to an agents life, in terms of his fear she was trying to run him over.  Its not an impossibility. 

That is reasonable.  It is a possibility and hopefully the investigation will show the truth.

A few months ago ICE agents shot a woman in her car who was performing the same service this woman was doing (following ICE in order to warn people of their location) .

While I  don't believe there is anything illegal about this, once you get in the way of ICE doing their job that could be a different story.  Either way if you are doing this you run the risk of something bad happening, either on purpose or by accident.  I probably would have stuck with protesting outside a car so there could be no misinterpretation of hitting with a car.

In Chicago ICE claimed the woman was trying to ram them and thats why they shot her. A Chicago Police Dept investigation found that to be false. 

I had not heard this.  If true I would wonder if anyone was charged and if not why not.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.32  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.30    10 months ago

He just said " I have a message for ICE. Get the fuck out of Minneapolis." 

 
 
 
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3.1.33  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.30    10 months ago
The mayor of Minneapolis is going off on ICE. He says he has seen a video and the ICE claims are bullshit

If he has seen a video, he has access to that video. Why didn't he show it at his fake outrage news conference. He could have shut ICE down in a matter of a few minutes.

My guess is he did not see any video. 

 
 
 
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3.1.34  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    10 months ago

In addition, the sorry ass police chief is describing what had been reported to him. Why hadn't he seen the video soy boy Frey claimed to have seen. Why is he describing something when the mayor claimed to describe what he saw on a video.

The whole leadership of Minnesota is a crock of shit. 

 
 
 
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3.1.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    10 months ago

I doubt if the mayor of a major city would say he saw a video if he didnt. 

 
 
 
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3.1.36  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.32    10 months ago
He just said " I have a message for ICE. Get the fuck out of Minneapolis." 

All that does is reinforce ICE to stay there.

 
 
 
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3.1.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.34    10 months ago

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3.1.38  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.37    10 months ago
Did I mention that you are pathetic?

I'm sure you did. You usually do when you have no rebuttal.

 
 
 
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3.1.39  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.30    10 months ago

At this point I believe ICE's claims are bullshit because they have a history of lying about what really happened.

 
 
 
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3.1.40  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @3.1.22    10 months ago

What is the level of competency for an organization that begins training recruits before they’ve even been vetted?  That is totally on brand for any arm of the Trump administration.

 
 
 
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3.1.41  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.35    10 months ago
I doubt if the mayor of a major city would say he saw a video if he didnt.

As much as he hates ICE, why didn't he show the video, at least up until the point where the woman was shot?

He could have shut ICE down with that vide.

He didn't see a video. 

 
 
 
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3.1.42  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.40    10 months ago
What is the level of competency for an organization that begins training recruits before they’ve even been vetted?  Th

Where is your proof they have not been vetted?

They are not illegals coming through the border during the Biden regime.

 
 
 
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3.1.43  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.41    10 months ago

I would assume he didnt have a copy of it. 

I have seen the video. The woman was shot as she was driving away.  Whether an agent thought she was trying to run him down is for him to explain.  I didnt see anyone in front of the car but the video went by fast. 

 
 
 
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3.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    10 months ago
If he has seen a video, he has access to that video. Why didn't he show it at his fake outrage news conference. He could have shut ICE down in a matter of a few minutes. My guess is he did not see any video.

Same here.  At a minimum if there is a video it is probably not the slam dunk he describes.

 
 
 
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3.1.45  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.43    10 months ago

Here is the video I believe you are speaking of. The women is clearly blocking the street to not let an ICE vehicle get by. ICE told her multiple times to exit the vehicle. Instead of following orders, she hit the gas and tried to speed off. There were two ICE agents in the direct vicinity of the vehicle, one in front of it. That could be the claim of trying to run over an agent.

That is where the FO portion happened. 

 
 
 
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3.1.46  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @3.1.10    10 months ago
Only the TDS afflicted pay attention to them. 

You do realize Trump is the most TDS self-infflicted person for the past 79 years. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.47  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.35    10 months ago
I doubt if the mayor of a major city would say he saw a video if he didnt.

You have more faith in our elected officials than I do.

 
 
 
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3.1.48  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.44    10 months ago

I just saw the video again. They murdered that woman. Probably out of panic and lack of training or because the ICE has been itching to use his gun. 

 
 
 
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3.1.49  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.44    10 months ago

I posted a video above with a not so great angle of the shooting, but you would think that with Frey's hatred for Trump and ICE, he would have at least shown the video to gin up support for his claim. My guess is because he did not, he knows he is FOS. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.50  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.43    10 months ago

Looks to me like she was trying to leave but as she was leaving she got shot. I don;t think she was trying to run anybody over

 
 
 
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3.1.51  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.45    10 months ago

Sorry Charlie, there is another video just shown on television. It shows there was no one in front of her car. 

Your video has a bad angle. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.52  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    10 months ago

I would like to see that video

 
 
 
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3.1.53  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.50    10 months ago

Bugsy posted a link to a video that doesnt show the whole thing. 

 
 
 
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3.1.54  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3.1.41    10 months ago
He didn't see a video.

Another comment based solely on feelings and dreams.

 
 
 
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3.1.55  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @3.1.45    10 months ago

This video seems to show there was an agent near the drivers front bumper and he is the one that shot her.  Not conclusive to me that he was afraid for his life but I do know if she got of the car as instructed she would be alive.

 
 
 
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3.1.56  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.52    10 months ago

I havent been on twitter and I dont have any link to it.  The video they showed on MS Now a few minutes ago shows the same scene , obviously, but it is from a different angle . No one was directly in front of her car as she tried to drive away. 

 
 
 
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3.1.57  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    10 months ago

This video seems to show there was an agent near the drivers front bumper and he is the one that shot her.  Not conclusive to me that he was afraid for his life but I do know if she got of the car as instructed she would be alive.

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3.1.58  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.53    10 months ago

that video I saw

I would like to see the video you're talking about with the better angle

 
 
 
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3.1.59  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.56    10 months ago

It looks like one of the ICE agents was either trying to open the door or reach through the window to stop the woman from driving off. You can tell by the way his arms are flung when she drives off. 

Either way, she should have obeyed orders, and by hitting the gas, the agents felt their lives in danger. 

This will rightfully be found to be a justified shooting.

Looks like we are going to have another George Floyd riot to protect yet another criminal. 

 
 
 
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3.1.60  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.57    10 months ago

This appears to be a case of untrained agents panicking. No one was in clear danger of being run over. 

 
 
 
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3.1.61  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.57    10 months ago
if she got of the car as instructed she would be alive.

This

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.62  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.58    10 months ago

IMO It seems if she went straight forward she may have hit someone but she steered away from him.  I think he may have been the one to shoot her

 
 
 
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3.1.63  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.57    10 months ago

from that video I can see where ICE might have panicked. The agent was trying to open her door as she was pulling away. That is dangerous because he could have been pulled under the car. The agent that shot might have thought he was protecting his partner's life? IDK. Someone would have to ask him

 
 
 
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3.1.64  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.59    10 months ago
Either way, she should have obeyed orders, and by hitting the gas, the agents felt their lives in danger. 

except they were not in front of her, they were on the side.  It is obviously not justified. 

Having said that , it wouldnt surprise me if they are not punished. 

 
 
 
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3.1.65  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.60    10 months ago

Maybe.  IMO if she went straight she may have hit an agent but she turned away from him and would not have hit him.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.66  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.62    10 months ago

yes. I don't think she was trying to run anyone over

 
 
 
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3.1.67  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.64    10 months ago
except they were not in front of her

There is one agent right around the left bumper. You can't see where he was prior to her guning the gas, but he was was a little off to the side after he did. He could have moved out of the way as she was driving off

We have to see a video of the driver's side. 

 
 
 
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3.1.68  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.63    10 months ago

I actually agree with this. We don't know what the agents saw first hand because we can't see the driver's side. 

He could very well thought he was protecting the other agent's life.

 
 
 
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3.1.69  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.63    10 months ago

Agree but I think the agent that shot her was a different one you can see over the shoulder of the guy opening the door.  He may have panicked because if she went forward she may have hit him but it  looks like she was actually next to him when he fired and was no longer in danger of getting hit by the car.

 
 
 
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3.1.70  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.60    10 months ago

That may be the case.  It shows no one would have been hit but you will have to wait if the agent thought she was turning toward him and not away from him.  But training may very well have played a roll

 
 
 
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3.1.71  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @3.1.61    10 months ago

Seems to me if a guy with a gun is telling you to do something it is a good idea to do what they say.

 
 
 
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3.1.72  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.71    10 months ago

I just heard a radio commentator sa there is a close ip enhanced video that shows the agent on the side trying toreach in the window and the other actually in front of the car. When the woman hit the gas, the officer in front pulled his gun and tried to get out if the way, slipping on ice. That is when he took the shot. 

 
 
 
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3.1.73  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.71    10 months ago

Unfortunately, Frey already put in crazed leftist minds that the woman that tried to hit the agent was bs and there is no way any video evidence will change their minds. 
I’m afraid this woman will be the left’s Ashley Babbitt and the left in Minneapolis will once again engage in George Floyd level riots.

At least they will only be burning and looting their own stuff

 
 
 
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3.1.74  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @3.1.46    10 months ago

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3.1.75  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.1.72    10 months ago

Here is a pretty good video.

Videos show fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul

The ICE cop that killed her was out of the way by the time her car started moving toward him. When he shot her he was outside the path of the car. 

 
 
 
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3.1.76  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @3.1.72    10 months ago

Will be interesting to see that

 
 
 
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3.1.77  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.75    10 months ago
When he shot her he was outside the path of the car. 

Agree, but that doesn't answer what was going on in his mind in the seconds leading up to her steering away.  

 
 
 
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3.1.78  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.77    10 months ago

Who would stand in front of a car that had a driver at the wheel? 

 
 
 
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3.1.79  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.78    10 months ago

At the time the car was in park.  I assume he thought she wouldn't start to drive away just as she assumed no one would shoot her if she tried to drive away.  They were both wrong.

 
 
 
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3.1.80  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  bugsy @3.1.42    10 months ago

Why the fuck are you always asking for proof? [✘] use your fucking google machine for once. If you’d change your news channel once in a while you’d know what everyone else already knows.

 
 
 
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3.1.81  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.79    10 months ago

I wouldnt stand in front a car with a driver at the wheel if the driver was my own wife, mother, best friend or priest. 

 
 
 
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3.1.82  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.80    10 months ago
Why the fuck are you always asking for proof?

That is what they say when they have nothing better to say. 

 
 
 
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3.1.83  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.82    10 months ago

He’s probably too busy [✘] to Kristi Noem’s maralago whore face to notice that she’s announcing that there’s no age limits for ICE recruits. What could go wrong?

 
 
 
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3.1.85  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.78    10 months ago

“Who would stand in front of a car that had a driver at the wheel?”

liberal protestors.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.86  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.78    10 months ago
Who would stand in front of a car that had a driver at the wheel?

Actually, there is video of a guy standing in front of an ICE vehicle that was trying to simply make it down the street. The driver did not gun the engine, he simply moved slowly while the idiot continued to try and block their way. The idiot continued this until the vehicle was able get around the idiot.

THIS is who would stand in front of a car with a driver at the wheel....an idiot leftist who was asking to be "thump thumped", but the ICE driver kept his cool and got around when he could. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.87  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @3.1    10 months ago

So you spent zero time investigating what actually happened!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.88  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.79    10 months ago

Do you approve of an ICE officer shooting a woman who was simply turning her wheel and moving onto the roadway to leave the area?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.89  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.88    10 months ago
Do you approve of an ICE officer shooting a woman who was simply turning her wheel and moving onto the roadway to leave the area?

It's pretty clear that they approve of law enforcement shooting anyone who doesn't immediately follow their commands. Try to run? Death sentence. Of course, this only applies to those they consider liberal, progressive or a minority. If you're a rightwing conservative you're not only allowed to resist and refuse to follow orders, you're apparently allowed to beat law enforcement officers with metal poles and violently attack them with impunity.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.90  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.89    10 months ago
@GretchenCarlson
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Before Trump - video didn't lie. Now we're at a point where DHS Sec'y Noem & Trump make a determination before an investigation even begins about the "shooting" in MPLS. So I'll make mine. This is the breaking point for sensible Republicans to call a spade a spade.
 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.91  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.1    10 months ago
FAFO

Signed, 

Ashley Babbitt. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.92  MrFrost  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.55    10 months ago
got of the car as instructed she would be alive.

When exactly did that happen?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.93  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.91    10 months ago
Signed,  Ashley Babbitt. 

So?

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.94  cjcold  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.9    10 months ago

There are more of us than there are of them. Sure hope it doesn't come to a second civil war. Since Murdoch's Fox gave low IQ right-wing  hate-mongering fascists a voice, it's been heading that way. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    10 months ago

Don't forget to call her "a mother."

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    10 months ago

Making light of the unnecessary killing of a human being.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    10 months ago

Gee TiG, that's how Martha Raddatz described her this morning on ABC's This Week.   She called her the mother who was killed.

Isn't that true?

She did drag those kids with her to Canada when Trump won the election and they did try to make a go of it for two years before heading to Minnesota where mom took time from the kids to aid in resistance operations against ICE.


I'm sure she tried to be a good mom.

I don't want to speak for her, but I don't think she would hurt a fly.


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TᵢG
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3.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    10 months ago

You are backpeddling; that is at least some progress.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.3    10 months ago

Always remember:

 "It's not as if is she were a maniac, a raving thing. She just goes - a little mad sometimes. We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?"

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    10 months ago

Or scared.  Maybe with an agent trying to open her door and her wife saying go go go she made a split second decision to go go go.

Of course that is just speculation, I don't try to pretend I know what people are thinking.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.5    10 months ago
I don't try to pretend I know what people are thinking.

Very good point. I'm sure the investigators will get statements from all involved as well as taking a good hard look at all that was going on.

I still think local police should have had streets cleared and protestors a safe distance from ICE operations.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    10 months ago
I still think local police should have had streets cleared and protestors a safe distance from ICE operations.

Agree, there is a difference between peaceful protest and interfering.   With the police doing nothing about it they are condoning that behavior and what we saw the other day was the result.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

The dead woman was an observer of ICE activity, I guess along the lines of the groups that blow whistles. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago

Sorta like the terrorist group that attacked the ice detention facility and shot an agent  were just observers 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    10 months ago

Sorta like the terrorist group that attacked the ice detention facility and shot an agent  were just observers 

He wasn't following their commands.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago
The dead woman was an observer of ICE activity

And yet she tried to run over and kill an ICE Agent only to end up dead herself.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.1  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    10 months ago

I notice that those here on the left stopped posting about this hours ago. I hope they have had time to really look at the videos released, and saw that the woman did indeed gun her car toward the ICE agent and clipped him. Further proof shows that the bullet hole in the windshield came from someone that shot from in front of the car. 

LE is trained to eliminate a threat. Rightfully, the ICE agent saw her as a threat to their life as she drove straight toward him, and eliminated the threat.

I also hope that democrats have learned their lesson concerning their rhetoric towards federal agents and see that they are the ones that are causing the chaos in Minnesota and elsewhere around the country, even though they are trying to blame this on Trump. 

It has been well established that when a leftists accuses someone on the right of doing something, you can be rest assured that the leftist is either doing, or has done exactly what they are accusing. This incident and democrat rhetoric of blame is just another example of this. 

Bottom line...if this woman followed legal orders to get out of the car, she would be alive today. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.1    10 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    10 months ago
And yet she tried to run over and kill an ICE Agent only to end up dead herself.  

Another post parroting the Trump administration while ignoring the clear evidence.

No way did she try to run over the ICE agent, much less attempt to kill him.   

WTF drives Trump supporters to deny reality at these levels?

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.4  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.2    10 months ago

Why, John?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.1    10 months ago
I hope they have had time to really look at the videos released, and saw that the woman did indeed gun her car toward the ICE agent and clipped him.

Just amazing watching people post utter fantasy.   Blind partisan parroting of the Trump administration.   No concern for the senseless murder of a woman.

This is sick.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.6  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    10 months ago

What kills me is when some folk here post bout "blind partisanship", when they themselves continuously post THEIR blind partisanship. Self awareness is a huge blind spot for some.

For those that think this woman was murdered, ask her why she did not get out of the car when ordered and hit the gas toward a LEO. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.6    10 months ago
For those that think this woman was murdered, ask her why she did not get out of the car when ordered and hit the gas toward a LEO. 

She did not 'hit the gas', her vehicle was slowly starting to move towards the street.

You support the murder at point blank range of a woman merely because she refused to get out of her car!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.7    10 months ago

Morning Joe had a string of former law enforcement officials on its show today.  If their perspective means anything, the cop that shot her may be in big trouble.  And the one grabbing at the door, although obviously to a much lesser extent. These ICE cops did not follow any established accepted law enforcement procedure. 

If you see You Tube videos , of which there are many , police who approach a driver do not run at them screaming and then try to pull them out of the car. They walk up to drivers side window, ask the driver to roll down the window and then keep their hands on the wheel, while the cop either asks them for ID or asks them to get out of the car.  The cop yesterday ran at her screaming and immediately tried to pull her out of the car. 

The one who shot her positioned himself in front of her car. This is a big no no for proper law enforcement, because you are placing yourself into a position of having to use deadly force unnecessarily if the car comes toward you. 

But the cop that killed her is in big trouble for shooting two shots into her from the driver side window, which clearly happens after he was completely out of danger of the car hitting him. 

One of the law enforcement official Morning Joe talked to said the cop should be in jail right now. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.9  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.8    10 months ago

This hits a new low for Trump supporters.

Trump and Noem blatantly, outrageously lie about what happened, and Trump supporters take those lies and run with them.   They ignore the video and instead parrot Trump.

No empathy.   No concern for human life.   Just blind, sick, partisan/cultish servitude to Trump.

Sickening.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.10  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.1    10 months ago
Bottom line...if this woman followed legal orders to get out of the car, she would be alive today. 

From what I observed, the woman, with her obviously turning the wheel and attempting to avoid the agent in her path, was attempting to flee the agents. She did not deserve to die. I believe incomplete training may have played into this tragedy. I personally think it was a bad shoot, totally avoidable, as it appeared she was attempting to avoid the agents. 

I also believe, that his defense team will be able to most likely be able to get the shooter off, due to them stating he was in fear for his, and other agents lives. 

 This would not have been the case if the agent had not moved physically in front of her vehicle. 

There is no way she deserved to die for what she did, attempting to flee the scene should not result in a death sentence.

An American Citizen, refusing an order from controversial agents who hide their identities, does not deserve the death penalty, without any due process. They could have let her leave and get the license plate and deal with her minor offense, whatever that may be. 

  I also have the opinion that many of these agents are not properly trained.

No matter how I look at it, I see ICE as being in the wrong, and hopefully it will become a teaching moment, so more innocent lives are not lost.

For Trump and the head of the department stating blatant LIES, about what happened, is just disgraceful, as is most of what your 'king' has done, ever since people oblivious to reality, again enabled this mess of a 'man' to again regain power. He is a disgusting LYING DICK, and behind him, quite a line of followers' still wishing to kiss and lick   D  spick Able 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.11  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.8    10 months ago
But the cop that killed her is in big trouble for shooting two shots into her from the driver side window,

Not sure who told you that but video evidence shows there is one shot through the windshield, probably the initial shot. If there were any other shots, they were bonuses.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.12  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.10    10 months ago
his defense team

Who is going to file charges?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.13  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.12    10 months ago

I doubt the corrupted Trump cronies, but the state and local authorities quite possibly will.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.14  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.8    10 months ago
Morning Joe had a string of former law enforcement officials on its show today

So what? Every news channel had a string of law enforcement officers on their shows yesterday and today. Some say the agent was in the wrong, but most say he was in the right. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.15  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.13    10 months ago

The agent is a federal officer. The state has no jurisdiction. Even if the state tries to file charges, the feds can take control of the case, move it to federal court, and dismiss it.

The state is in a lose lose, as it should be

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.16  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.15    10 months ago

no, no it shouldn't be, but we know Bondi ain't gonna do a damn thing

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.14    10 months ago

These cops did not follow proper procedure. None of them. 

The one that killed her shot her twice through the driver side window, after the side of the car was passing him by.  He might go to prison for it, although I'm sure the FBI and Bondi will go easy on him. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.18  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.15    10 months ago

Noem and Trumps' version of events are completely provable LIES  total scumbagz 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.19  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.18    10 months ago

Sorry but your post and the one above it are ones of fantasy. Obviously, the sheer hatred for Trump, who had zero to do with this incident, is a driving factor, and probably the ONLY factor, in your opinion that the agent is in the wrong.

Calmer heads will prevail and the agent will rightfully walk because he did nothing but defend himself.

Any other version is fantasy.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.20  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.14    10 months ago
Some say the agent was in the wrong, but most say he was in the right.

More bullshit.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.11    10 months ago
If there were any other shots, they were bonuses.

What the hell does that mean? One of those "bonuses" may have very well killed her. And there is no question that he fired two shots at her while he was standing at the side of the car. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.19    10 months ago
Obviously, the sheer hatred for Trump, who had zero to do with this incident, is a driving factor, and probably the ONLY factor, in your opinion that the agent is in the wrong.

What is obvious is that many Trump supporters will deny reality and support whatever Trump says no matter what.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.23  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.19    10 months ago
Sorry but your post and the one above it are ones of fantasy.

So Noem and Trump made factual statements about what we AALL VIEWED on the video...? Ok, sorry, yes it is sorry you allow yourself to be manipulated by these criminals, it truly is!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.19    10 months ago
Noem and Trumps' version of events are completely provable LIES  total scumbagz

You just said this comment is a fantasy. How is it a fantasy ?  Dont hem and haw, tell us how you think that statement is a fantasy. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.25  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.24    10 months ago
How is it a fantasy ?

Apparently your hatred for Trump overwhelms any sense of reality when it comes to seeing the agent in question was obviously in the right for capping that woman. 

Also, you say the cop shot from the side, but picture evidence shows a shot through the windshield. Whoever told you to say that he shot from the side lied to you. 

I don't know if you have seen it, but there is a video from a high angle about 50-60 yards away showing the agent getting hit.

Do you think the agent jumped in front of the vehicle just to justify getting a shot off?

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.26  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.23    10 months ago
anipulated by these criminals,

This is what sane people are talking about.

Your sheer hatred for Trump is clouding reality and you just see what you want to see.

Unfortunately, what you are seeing in the video is not reality.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.27  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.21    10 months ago
One of those "bonuses" may have very well killed her.

For the millionth time....

LEs are trained to eliminate the threat, whether it is one shot or a hundred. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.28  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.27    10 months ago

[removed] [✘] He shot her twice through the drivers side window. Does he have rubber elastic arms where he can be in front of the car and stretch all the way to the spot where he shoots her through the drivers side window? There is one bullet hole near the bottom left of the windshield. He fired three shots.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.25    10 months ago

I quoted to you a statement to you made by Iggy saying Noem and Trump lied about the incident. You said hus comment was a fantasy. I asked you to respond to that. You talk about "Trump hatred". Did Trump and Noem lie about what had happened?  Its a simple question. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.30  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.29    10 months ago
Did Trump and Noem lie about what had happened?

NO!! 

The video speaks for itself. You can even see on the video that is at a higher altitude that the agent was hit by the car.

She got what she had coming to her. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.31  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.30    10 months ago
She got what she had coming to her. 

This notion is sick.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.32  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.28    10 months ago

removed for contex

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.33  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.30    10 months ago

Trump said the woman viciously and intentionally ran over the cop with her car.  First of all the cop wasnt run over at all. At best he was brushed as the car turned away from him. But its not even clear that happened. If he was run over he would have been on the ground.  Trump said he was badly injured and had to be hospitalized. Video shows him not injured in the slightest.  

Those are what the world calls lies Bugsy.  Same goes for Cowboy Hat Noems statement. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.34  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.33    10 months ago
rump said the woman viciously and intentionally ran over the cop with her car.  First of all the cop wasnt run over at all. At best he was brushed as the car turned away from him. But its not even clear that happened. If he was run over he would have been on the ground.  Trump said he was badly injured and had to be hospitalized. Video shows him not injured in the slightest.  

Embellishment. Something ALL politicians do, even....gasp....democrats.

At least you admit the woman made contact with the agent. That's a start. That alone justifies the response she received.

Maybe you can list politicians that do not lie. That would be a much shorter list than those that do.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.34    10 months ago

As I like to say, get lost. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.36  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @4.2.34    10 months ago
At least you admit the woman made contact with the agent. That's a start. That alone justifies the response she received.

You hold that even if the woman's car merely touched the agent (and the agent was unharmed) that this justified her murder.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.37  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.35    10 months ago
As I like to say, get lost

lol

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.38  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @4.2.1    10 months ago
I notice that those here on the left stopped posting about this hours ago.

I think they are trying to disseminate the narrative.

I hope they have had time to really look at the videos released, and saw that the woman did indeed gun her car toward the ICE agent and clipped him.

They'll try so spin it.  

I also hope that democrats have learned their lesson concerning their rhetoric towards federal agents and see that they are the ones that are causing the chaos in Minnesota and elsewhere around the country, even though they are trying to blame this on Trump. 

We both know they haven't "leared" a damn thing and will continue their idiotic gaslighting that will result in more assaults on law enforcement and more people killed.

Bottom line...if this woman followed legal orders to get out of the car, she would be alive today.

Maybe that is the "illegal orders" the left have been shrieking about.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.39  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.3    10 months ago

Not playing your putt putt games.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.40  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @4.2.6    10 months ago
Self awareness is a huge blind spot for some.

It's the "Lemming effect".  They follow blindly and parrot nonsense without realizing what they are saying makes absolutely ZERO sense and what the actual evidence shows.  I think it goes back to the conversations in their heads.

For those that think this woman was murdered, ask her why she did not get out of the car when ordered and hit the gas toward a LEO.

Yeah, we both know that's not going to happen.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.41  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.36    10 months ago

as an eternal optimist, I always try to look at the bright side of things. although this ICE event was tragic and unforgivable, I'm thankful to trump and his new gestapo for helping to desensitize some more americans to the optics of street justice. psychologically, I think their activities in and of themselves will go a long way in helping to lessen the impact and neutralize a lot of the potentially negative optics when permanently dealing with maga ideology and it's supporters in the near future.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.42  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @4.2.41    10 months ago
his new gestapo

Also leftists in a screeching voice...

"Republicans need to knock off the rhetoric"

Bunch of fucking clowns.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.2.43  Igknorantzruls  replied to  bugsy @4.2.34    10 months ago
Embellishment. Something ALL politicians do, even....gasp....democrats.

I didn't hear any democrats LYING about this incident, though it sure didn't take long for Noem to say agents were attacked by a 'domestic terrorist' who tried to run them over! Agents were stuck in the snow she said, where the fck was there snow, we watched them drive up and get out of their SUV ??

'Embellishmeant to fool his gullible minions to form opinions that do not jive with reality 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.44  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.40    10 months ago
They follow blindly and parrot nonsense without realizing what they are saying makes absolutely ZERO sense and what the actual evidence shows.

The Trump tactic:  accuse others of what you are obviously doing.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.45  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.43    10 months ago

‘I didn't hear any democrats LYING about this incident’

Then you have not been paying attention. 
Minnesota officials from Walz down have been saying ICE is instigating chaos. That is a lie. The ‘protestors’ have been instigating chaos, up to, and including, the death of tje woman yesterday. 
You have not heard ANYMinnesota official say the woman did not hit the ICE agent because they know they would be lying and called out spectacularly. 

You don’t know where their vehicle was parked. There could have been snowthere. You have zero idea.

The gullible minions are those that believe Minnesota officials.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.46  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.2.45    10 months ago
You don’t know where their vehicle was parked. There could have been snowthere.

So Noem was talking about something completely irrelevant to the woman being shot. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.47  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.44    10 months ago

Yeah, that's what it is.  /s

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.48  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.8    10 months ago
the cop that shot her may be in big trouble. 

The trump admin is handling the investigation, he won't even get a slap on the wrist for murdering someone. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.2.49  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    10 months ago

Only someone who hasn't watched the videos could possibly believe she was trying to run him down. Her wheels were turned the other way. She was trying to escape what she saw in that murderer's eyes.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.2.50  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @4.2.49    10 months ago

My God the shrill hyperbole

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.51  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @4.2.49    10 months ago
Her wheels were turned the other way.

and she hit the federal agent.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.52  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.51    10 months ago

A cop telling the truth

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.53  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.52    10 months ago

What's striking is that he's from another Democrat run trainwreck.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.54  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.53    10 months ago

Which is why he will be fired or transfered to Siberia.  At least he is unwilling to stir the pot and is trying to avoid more sacrificial lambs to the anti ice cause

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.55  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.38    10 months ago

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Trout Giggles
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4.2.56  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @4.2.50    10 months ago

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4.2.57  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.55    10 months ago

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Trout Giggles
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4.2.58  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.57    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago
@DHSgov
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Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism. An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow officers. The alleged perpetrator was hit and is deceased. The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries.   This is the direct consequence of constant attacks and demonization of our officers by sanctuary politicians who fuel and encourage rampant assaults on our law enforcement who are facing 1,300% increase in assaults against them and an 8,000% increase in death threats.  This is an evolving situation, and we will give the public more information as soon as it becomes available.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago

Kristi Noem and her gang are calling this domestic terrorism before one second of an investigation has taken place.  Trumps depravity is seeping into the entire administration. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    10 months ago
domestic terrorism

There has been many instances like this against ICE over the last year. No reason to believe this is any different. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    10 months ago

Trumps depravity is seeping into the entire administration.

Trump’s administration hand selects candidates specifically because they already share that depravity with Trump.  They were never decent people to begin with.  Hillary had a good word for them, and now they’re in charge of stuff that they are fully incapable of handling.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1.2    10 months ago
Trump’s administration hand selects candidates specifically because they already share that depravity with Trump.  

Exactly!   Trump created a depraved administration.  This was intentional.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1.2    10 months ago
Trump’s administration hand selects candidates specifically because they already share that depravity with Trump.

Is that on the application?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.4    10 months ago

Is that on the application?

I'll let you know, I might sign up for ICE so I can rob a bank....that whole "absolute immunity" thing....amiright? LOL

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.6  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    10 months ago

Trump only hires the already depraved.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago

Nothing untrue here

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @5.2    10 months ago

there's no evidence. I thought you were of the mind that one should wait to hear all the facts before one reaches a conclusion. I guess I was wrong

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago

It's pretty fckd up, how we can't take them at their word. Especially after the incident you mentioned where they lied about the one who weas shot.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.3    10 months ago

Its unfortunate.  Many of these ICE agents are not psychologically qualified to do this work.  They say the woman today attacked them (those were Kristi Noems exact words). Is that possible?  of course.    Sadly, there is so much lying from this administration nothing they say can be taken at face value. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.3.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.1    10 months ago

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Trout Giggles
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5.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago

Orwell would be proud

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.4.1  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.4    10 months ago

Actually, Orwell would say "I tried to warn you!"

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago
The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries.

Haven't heard that. But they'll fake some injuries to make it look less like a lie

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5    10 months ago

This DHS statement is a complete lie. Thank you Donald Trump , the most depraved president of the United States in our history. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.6.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @5.6    10 months ago

Thank god for cell phones with high resolution cameras!

 
 
 
bugsy
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6  bugsy    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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7  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

this is a screen shot of the moment of the shooting. You can see the gun smoke at the front left of the windshield area

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The wheels are turned to the right to prepare to drive down the middle of the street. The ICE cop that shot her is clear of the path of the car which he could see was turning away from him. 

Our piece of shit president said today that the woman viciously ran down an ICE agent and he was in the hospital lucky to be alive. Everyone who doesnt say "fuck Trump" is a coward. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    10 months ago

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cjcold
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7.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @7    10 months ago

FUCK TRUMP AND ALL THE FAR-RIGHT WING FASCISTS WHO SUPPORT HIM! Wow! I've never written anything in all caps before. That was very cathartic.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

It will be fun to see who among  those who claimed an unarmed 115 pound woman was a deadly threat to an officer standing much farther from her than this agent was from an SUV aimed at him.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9  Tacos!    10 months ago

Noem is claiming these ICE agents were stuck in the snow, when this lady came along and attacked them. Nothing remotely like that happened.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  seeder  JohnRussell    10 months ago

this video is disturbing. the bulk of it is the aftermath of the shooting, when Bovino goons spray multiple protesters in the face with chemicals.  I fear for Minneapolis. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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10.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @10    10 months ago

I fear for any city that Trumpus sends his ICE goon squads to.

He'll only be sending them to cities where he lost the vote.

 
 
 
GregTx
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11  GregTx    10 months ago

Amazing amount of hypocrisy on display here...

The shooting of a woman trying to get through a door towards federal workers is 110% legit but the shooting of a woman accelerating a 2 ton vehicle towards federal workers is murder...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  GregTx @11    10 months ago

The only thing that ever matters to them is whose side they believe the person shot was on.  Everything else is irrelevant. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1    10 months ago

Did Donald Trump and Kristi Noem tell the truth about this incident today?  How many lies are you going to swallow from Trump ( Noem) before you say enough's enough?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.1    10 months ago

  How many lies are you going to swallow from Trump ( Noem) before you say enough's enough?

What Trump said doesn't matter. I watched the video,. She hit a police officer with her  truck after disobeying orders to stop. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.2    10 months ago

She at best grazed his side enough to ruffle his pants.  A three year old could have gotten out of the path of the car with room to spare. 

If you are standing in front of a car and the car starts moving , turning its wheels to avoid you, and you get your pants mussed, the normal thing to do is say "wow, that was lucky", not "now that you havent hit me I'm going to kill you." 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.2    10 months ago
What Trump said doesn't matter.

Thats your answer to everything. Its fucking pitiful. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.3    10 months ago

Now square "it's okay to hit someone with a car, they have no reason to be afraid for their life" with of course "someone standing across a room from a tiny unarmed woman is in  immediate danger and is fully justified in shooting the unarmed woman"

You can make all the rationalizations  you want.  The only thing that matters is which side you identify with. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.4    10 months ago
hats your answer to everything. Its fucking pitiful. 

We've been through this. I rely on what I see.  I saw Biden acting like a senile old man I said he's acting like a senile old man. You see the same thing and claim unedited videos are hoaxes and deny reality because that's what you think helps you politically at the moment. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.6    10 months ago

Was the woman trying to run the cop over?  NO

Was he hit? NO.

Was he injured ? NO. 

Is she a domestic terrorist ? NO

 
 
 
GregTx
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11.1.8  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.3    10 months ago
ruffle his pants

WTF does that even mean? Is that an archaic reference to getting hip checked by an automobile?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.6    10 months ago
I saw Biden acting like a senile old man I said he's acting like a senile old man.

What do you see when you look at Trump?  Do see someone behaving like a president of the United States?  Trump is mentally ill, and he is far more dangerous than Biden ever was. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.7    10 months ago

Ah, yes. Here’s where you demand the agent have esp and know what the non compliant driver is thinking as she hits him with her truck. He supposed to understand within a split second that the  instigating driver who is ignoring directions to stop really isn’t trying to Kill  him and just hit him by accident.  

It’s perfectly reasonable to assume a non compliant activist is trying to hurt you when they hit you with your vehicle.  If this were an officer shooting a J6 protestor you’d be the first person arguing that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.10    10 months ago
It’s perfectly reasonable to assume a non compliant activist is trying to hurt you when they hit you with your vehicle.

She didnt hit him, when people get hit by a car their bodies react. 

He shot her twice after the car was passing by him. If they can determine the angle of the shot that killed her and it was one of those he made when she was going past him, he should be fucked.  Of course Bondi will make sure that info never comes out. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.11    10 months ago

She didnt hit him,

the video says otherwise, 

they can determine the angle of the shot that killed her and it was one of those he made when she was going past him, he should be fucked

a unanimous Supreme Court says otherwise. They recognize cops do not operate in slow motion. If the first shot is good so are subsequent shots taken in rapid succession to end a threat. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.12    10 months ago
the video says otherwise

Hold on. Are you trying to say she hit the guy with her car? When? Why wasn’t he on the ground?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.12    10 months ago
... the video says otherwise, 

I cannot find any video that shows this.   Every single video I have watched shows the woman turning on to the road.  The murderer was clear of her path and then point blank shot her in the face from the driver side window.

Not only was she not trying to run him over, there is no authorization for an officer to fire on a civilian who is leaving the scene.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1.15  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.2    10 months ago
I watched the video,. She hit a police officer with her  truck after disobeying orders to stop. 

Let us see this video you watched.   Provide a link.

 
 
 
cjcold
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11.1.16  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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11.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @11    10 months ago

The ICE cop placed himself in front of her car. You see him walk from the right side of the video and instead of walking around to where the other two ICE agents were on the drivers side of the car , he positioned himself in front of her. 

Even so when the woman pulled out she wasnt aiming at him, she was aiming away from him. When she was shot her wheels were almost fully turned to the right. She was AVOIDING him.  Lying sack of shit Trump said the officer was "run over" and in the hospital  (presumingly receiving treatment) and implying he was lucky to survive his injuries.  The truth is the cop was not run over, and was not injured. He walked down the street , perfectly fine, got into his car and drove away.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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11.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2    10 months ago
an pulled out she wasnt aiming at him, she was aiming away from him

She hit him with her truck  before he opened fire. You can't run into law enforcement with a truck. You just can't. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago
She hit him with her truck  before he opened fire.

Bullshit. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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11.2.4  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2    10 months ago
The ICE cop placed himself in front of her car. You see him walk from the right side of the video and instead of walking around to where the other two ICE agents were on the drivers side of the car , he positioned himself in front of her. 

He was walking towards them.

Even so when the woman pulled out she wasnt aiming at him, she was aiming away from him. When she was shot her wheels were almost fully turned to the right. She was AVOIDING him.

Actually, when she starts to accelerate her front wheels are pointed at him. She starts to turn the wheel when he draws.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @11.2.4    10 months ago
Actually, when she starts to accelerate her front wheels are pointed at him. She starts to turn the wheel when he draws

LOL. She was trying to leave.  You must believe Noem and Trumps lie that she was trying to run him over. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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11.2.6  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.5    10 months ago
LOL. She was trying to leave.

No doubt about that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago
She hit him with her truck

Did he magically bounce off and land on his feet? And then drew his gun? This is like superhuman reflexes!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago
She hit him with her truck

Show the video!

 
 
 
devangelical
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11.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Tacos! @11.2.7    10 months ago
This is like superhuman reflexes!

super maga!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.2.10  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago
She hit him with her truck  before he opened fire.

Logistics.... How do you shoot someone in the face if your under the vehicle? Please answer that. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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11.2.11  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.2.1    10 months ago

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TᵢG
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12  TᵢG    10 months ago

Here is this bottom line.

The woman did not run over an ICE agent.   At the very worst he had to get out of the way of her car.   He was entirely unharmed.   She was no threat.  She was not under arrest.   

There is no excuse, none whatsoever, for the use of lethal force.   Especially when the murderer is standing right next to the driver window aiming his gun at her point blank.

If you must stop her, shoot her tire.   The ICE agent was right there.

Is there any line where Trump supporters refuse to try to defend this administration?   How deep is this partisan/cultish blindness?

This is sick.

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @12    10 months ago
Is there any line where Trump supporters refuse to try to defend this administration? How deep is this partisan/cultish blindness?

no.

when their hero destroys the other 2 branches of gov't and the constitution, they know he'll have better ones ready in 2 weeks ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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12.1.1  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @12.1    10 months ago

LOL

 
 
 
cjcold
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12.1.2  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @12.1    10 months ago

Seems there are a few Russian bots here.

Fascism is alive and well on NT and in America. Sad.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @12.1.2    10 months ago

None of our members are Russian bots.   These are genuine comments from real human beings. 

I half-wish many of these comments were coming from non-human automatons, but that is not the case.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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12.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @12.1.3    10 months ago
These are genuine comments from real human beings

And they are very fucking disturbing. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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12.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @12    10 months ago
She was no threat.  She was not under arrest.   

From all the different angles of video I've seen it's clear he tried to step in front of the vehicle as she was turning and moving forward which was why she didn't hit him. He tried to step into the way of her vehicle to get a shot at her head, which he hit. Trying to claim she was trying to attack them is beyond stupid, but that pretty much sums up this entire administration and their supporters.

 
 
 
cjcold
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12.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2    10 months ago

And then he fired two more bullets into her head through the open drivers side window. It was murder! I have watched ALL the videos frame by frame many times.

Ross committed cold blooded murder! He should hang. Trump and his fascist goon squads need to understand that the vast majority of Americans are sick and tired of this hate-mongering insanity!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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12.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @12.2.1    10 months ago

He clearly killed this woman and I see no evidence that suggests he followed protocol.   He thus should be tried for manslaughter.   First step is to take this loose-cannon off the streets.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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13  Jeremy Retired in NC    10 months ago

This is fkng hilarious.  Now the left are suddenly experts in these situations.  That's a pretty big jump from being "military law experts" from Maduro arrest.

 
 
 
cjcold
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13.1  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @13    10 months ago

Seems Trump killed at least 120 innocent Venezuelan citizens while arresting Maduro. This political centrist sees Trump as a war criminal who can be legally kidnapped and brought to the Hague and tried for crimes against humanity.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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13.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @13.1    10 months ago

So now the deaths of civilians matter?  Where was this "outrage" when Biden dropped munitions killing hundreds of Afghani civilians during his retreat?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14  Right Down the Center    10 months ago

I have no idea if this is real but if it is the whole video (assuming it is a drone) should be made available.

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bugsy
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14.1  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @14    10 months ago

Sorry, Right. It is not coming up as a video, just a picture, but from this angle you can see the agent IN FRONT of the vehicle, shooting down the leftist narrative that he was off to the side

 
 
 
TᵢG
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14.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @14.1    10 months ago

This is shot before she turned her wheels.   The vehicle was not even moving.

There is no way Trump and his minions are going to support the insane claim that this 37-year-old mother tried to run down an ICE agent.

It is sick that Trump supporters keep trying to support the lying sack of shit occupying the presidency after his actions have resulted in the unnecessary and entirely avoidable murder of a citizen.

 
 
 
devangelical
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14.1.2  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.1    10 months ago

trump, his FBI, DHS, and ICE already have the judicial railroad up and running ...

at this point in time, how many more acts of trump administration lawlessness needs to take place before patriotic americans that still believe in the US constitution rise up[✘]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @14.1    10 months ago

I also believe the front window was shot through.  There is still alot of conjecture but I think we still need to know if the agent felt in fear of imminent danger for himself or others in the split second it happened.  He doesn't have the luxury of watching it 10 times before determining what he should do.  I don't know the procedures but standing in front of a car does not seem like the brightest of ideas and can't lead to anything good.   It also seems her break lights are not on.  Of course we can not be sure if the car was in park or gear.  We sure can't tell if she was moving or not when a still picture was taken.  You can't be sure if he was clipped by the vehicle but you sure can't make the claim he wasn't based on that picture.

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @14.1.3    10 months ago

I agree and the bottom line is if there is a LEO standing in front of your vehicle, whether it is a smart idea or not, and you hit the gas toward that LEO, that agent has the right to self defense and only a split second to make a decision. His decision was to eradicate the threat, which was the right decision. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.1.5  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @14.1.4    10 months ago

This video shows the woman, not the car, hitting the LEO.

Leftists can't spin this one. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @14.1.5    10 months ago

Will be hard to say she didn't hit him but I am sure some will try to spin it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @14.1.6    10 months ago

Oh, they already have been...especially on here, even when video evidence is presented she did.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @14.1.7    10 months ago
Oh, they already have been.

Some even make the connection if you don't see it their way (the heck for waiting for an investigation) it is because you support Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @14.1.3    10 months ago
We sure can't tell if she was moving or not when a still picture was taken. 

A video Dig posted yesterday shows that the woman's car was moving before the shooter stepped in front of it. It was moving backwards, but it was moving.  He knew she was about to pull out and stepped in front of her car. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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14.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  TᵢG @14.1.1    10 months ago
This is shot before she turned her wheels.   The vehicle was not even moving.

Bingo...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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14.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Right Down the Center @14.1.3    10 months ago
I think we still need to know if the agent felt in fear of imminent danger for himself or others in the split second it happened

That’s only half of it, though. Self defense is generally both an objective and a subjective evaluation. So it doesn’t matter what he felt if the jury decides a hypothetical reasonable person would have felt differently. He also may not be able to claim self defense if he intentionally put himself in that position without a pretty good reason.

Not that there will be a trial. It’s pretty clear that DOJ isn’t interested and they’re actually preventing Minnesota authorities from looking at evidence.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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14.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @14.1.4    10 months ago
I think we still need to know if the agent felt in fear of imminent danger for himself or others in the split second it happened

Wait, so he gets the benefit of the doubt in a “split second scenario,” but she doesn’t? It’s not as if he had been camped in front of her car.

And in any event, the movement of her car was first backward, and then forward to the right.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tacos! @14.1.11    10 months ago
So it doesn’t matter what he felt if the jury decides a hypothetical reasonable person would have felt differently.

Agree but unless they are sure a reasonable person would have felt differently I think the benefit of the doubt would go to him.

He also may not be able to claim self defense if he intentionally put himself in that position without a pretty good reason.

It will be interesting to see how that goes.

Not that there will be a trial. It’s pretty clear that DOJ isn’t interested and they’re actually preventing Minnesota authorities from looking at evidence.

I don't agree with that decision.  Since this seems to be such a polarizing issue with one side seeming to want to cover up any wrong doing and the other side looking for blood I have to question if a fair trial or a fair decision not to have a trial will be possible.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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14.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @14.1    10 months ago

why did he step in front of her car? Is he stupid or something?

 
 
 
devangelical
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14.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @14.1.14    10 months ago
Is he stupid or something?

maga!

 
 
 
Dig
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14.2  Dig  replied to  Right Down the Center @14    10 months ago
I have no idea if this is real but if it is the whole video (assuming it is a drone) should be made available.
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It looks like an AI fake. What was the source? I hope it wasn't DHS or the FBI, because it's all wrong.

The driver's door on the silver vehicle should be open. The passenger door on Good's maroon vehicle should be closed. The person on the right of Good's vehicle should be a female wearing a light-colored stocking cap, but here it looks like another cop with his weapon drawn.

Also, with Good's brake lights still on...

The cop trying to open her door is in a slightly different position than in the video. His feet are a little wrong in relation to the white line on the pavement.

Her front wheels are in the wrong position. They were still turned to the left in the video. They didn't straighten up as they were being turned to the right until immediately after her brake lights went out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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14.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Dig @14.2    10 months ago

For comparison:

The gaslighting…it just blows my mind.

r/Political_Revolution - A second-by-second breakdown of the ICE murder of Renee Nicole Goodhttps://preview.redd.it/a-second-by-second-breakdown-of-the-ice-murder-of-renee-v0-7ueewheqn0cg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6eede3fa713b68c51de6f4bb433487b8ce1fcb25 640w, 1080w" width="798" height="448">

Watch as murderer pulls his gun before vehicle realistically moves.

r/Political_Revolution - A second-by-second breakdown of the ICE murder of Renee Nicole Goodhttps://preview.redd.it/a-second-by-second-breakdown-of-the-ice-murder-of-renee-v0-fyqvugeqn0cg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=69bb59248ca69df18911238c29a7712f98e44cc0 640w, 1080w" width="798" height="446">

Note wheels turned to street and note where the murderer's feet are.

r/Political_Revolution - A second-by-second breakdown of the ICE murder of Renee Nicole Goodhttps://preview.redd.it/a-second-by-second-breakdown-of-the-ice-murder-of-renee-v0-skh2rneqn0cg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8571f191d0865628a566fc51deb724b925a8f913 640w, 1080w" width="803" height="451">

Shooting from the side, point-blank.

r/Political_Revolution - A second-by-second breakdown of the ICE murder of Renee Nicole Goodhttps://preview.redd.it/a-second-by-second-breakdown-of-the-ice-murder-of-renee-v0-jatuxgeqn0cg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1f08551bbc94c67a35e8af9139539f145a10b1c6 640w, 1080w" width="802" height="451">

The murderer walks away after gazing at his kill.   The guy Trump says was in the hospital.

 
 
 
Dig
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14.2.2  Dig  replied to  TᵢG @14.2.1    10 months ago

The initial comments from Trump and Noem are examples of some of the worst leadership possible. Gaslighting like that should be considered grounds for removal. No one should trust anything they say ever again, especially the MAGA crowd... but we know that won't be the case.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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14.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Dig @14.2.2    10 months ago

Nothing remedial can happen until Congress grows a spine.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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14.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dig @14.2.2    10 months ago
Gaslighting like that should be considered grounds for removal.

It reminded me of the old Joey Bishop clip...

Deny, Deny, Deny: Joey Bishop/Imagene Coca

 
 
 
cjcold
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14.2.5  cjcold  replied to  Dig @14.2    10 months ago

This is a AI fake. There were no drones.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
14.2.6  cjcold  replied to  Dig @14.2    10 months ago

Obviously an AI fake. There were drones?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
14.2.7  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @14.2.1    10 months ago

In the early videos with sound she is heard screaming no, no, no, no, no, she saw him draw and shoot her.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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14.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dig @14.2    10 months ago

Good observations! That blows the comments up thread out of the water

 
 
 
devangelical
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14.2.9  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @14.2.3    10 months ago
Nothing remedial can happen until Congress grows a spine.

some of the rats are already beginning to flee the sinking ship ...

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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14.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @14    10 months ago

I would have to say and guess AI generated .

 my reasoning is this ,  at no time during any of the other videos , is it shown the passenger door of the red vehicle being open , yet in all the other videos , the white vehicle had its drivers door open throughout the entire exchange  .

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.3    10 months ago

You may very well be correct.  If it was real I am sure it would have been shown on several news stations, at least fox.

 
 
 
George
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14.3.3  George  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.3    10 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
cjcold
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14.3.4  cjcold  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.3    10 months ago

We finally agree on something. A drone shot?! 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
14.4  cjcold  replied to  Right Down the Center @14    10 months ago

For a variety of reasons this is obviously an AI generated video.[✘]

 
 
 
cjcold
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14.4.1  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @14.4    10 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Tacos!
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14.5  Tacos!  replied to  Right Down the Center @14    10 months ago

I know people have argued about where he was standing, but it’s ultimately not dispositive on its own.

Why stand anywhere near there? It’s tactically stupid and one wonders why he thought it useful at all. She wasn’t being pursued, nor was she trying to escape. Why block her at all? Didn’t they want her to leave?

It’s absurd - and also, generally disallowed legally - for a person to put themselves in the path of danger and then claim self defense when they kill someone they could have easily avoided. And he did easily avoid her as it turned out.

If she had stood in front of one of their vehicles, they would have just driven into her, without any concern for whether or not we would call it a criminal assault. We know this because this exact thing has happened today with other civilians protesting against ICE.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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14.5.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tacos! @14.5    10 months ago
Why stand anywhere near there? It’s tactically stupid and one wonders why he thought it useful at all. She wasn’t being pursued, nor was she trying to escape. Why block her at all? Didn’t they want her to leave?

Valid questions that should come out as the investigation progresses (hopefully)

 
 
 
bugsy
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16  bugsy    10 months ago

To all of the leftists here who claim that the agent was never hit, you might want to ask Soy boy Frey why he said this…

Jacob Frey: “The ICE agent walked away with a hip injury that he might as well have gotten from closing a refrigerator door with his hips‘

If he did not get hit, why did Frey acknowledge he did.

Even the agent’s own cell phone recording shows the ‘thud’ of him being hit.
There is a Minnesota state legislator that said she was not going to watch any of the latest videos that corroborate the agent’s story because those videos are ‘propaganda[✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
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16.1  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @16    10 months ago
If he did not get hit, why did Frey acknowledge he did.

Another feeble attempt at an argument.    You ignore the videos that show the car turning clear of the agent and cling to speculation.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @16    10 months ago
Even the agent’s own cell phone recording shows the ‘thud’ of him being hit.

Convincing! I’m sure he’d never fake or force a thing like that. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
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16.2.1  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @16.2    10 months ago

Maybe you can explain why Frey admitted the agent got hit. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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16.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @16.2.1    10 months ago

Who cares why he chose those words?   His words are not evidence.   Focus on the actual evidence.   

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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16.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @16.2.1    10 months ago

Maybe Frey had more info than the contradicting inconclusive videos out. If I was the agent and got hit I would have gone to emergency to get any damage from contact documented, no matter how minor. Could be Frey has knowledge of that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @16.2.1    10 months ago

It’s pretty dumb that you expect me to explain why some random person I’ve never met would say anything. Maybe you can explain why the rest of us should care what he said since you brought it up. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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16.2.5  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @16.2.4    10 months ago

Hilarious that you and most leftists have never met Trump but continuously speculate what he means when he speaks or why he said what he did.

Soy boy Frey is not just a random person. He is in the spotlight for probably fraud in his city, much like Walz is in the state. 
Could explain why his is so interested in pushing false narratives to keep the spotlight off the fraud he could very well had participated in.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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16.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @16.2.5    10 months ago
Hilarious that you and most leftists have never met Trump but continuously speculate what he means when he speaks or why he said what he did.

Yeah...you and your kind never do that/s

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @16.2.5    10 months ago

Riiiight. So you think we have all the same quality and time of experience with a small Frey and MFing Trump. You think that’s the same thing. Come back to reality, please.

 
 
 
bugsy
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16.2.8  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @16.2.7    10 months ago

He is the MFing mayor of a major US city that is and has been in the spotlight for some time now. Dismissing it because it goes against your narrative is outside of reality. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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16.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @16.2.6    10 months ago
your kind

What exactly is "my kind"?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @16.2.9    10 months ago

A current Trump supporter / defender / apologist.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2.11  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @16.2.8    10 months ago
He is the MFing mayor

Therefore, what? Being mayor, on its own, doesn’t make him an expert - or even a trustworthy witness - on what happened.

of a major US city

According to Google, it’s about the 45th most populous city in the country. Call me snobby, but I grew up in Los Angeles, so color me unimpressed. Regardless, the alleged majorness of Minneapolis does not, by itself, automatically vouch for the wisdom or reliability of this man.

has been in the spotlight

The same kind of spotlight as Trump? America, collectively, has had 40 years, and ample reason, to assess the words that come out of Donald Trump. Frey? Not so much. I never even heard of the guy until you brought him up.

Dismissing it

I haven’t dismissed it. I’ve asked you to explain why I should be expected to care about something he said about an event he did not witness any better than you or I have.

it goes against your narrative

I don’t know what you think my narrative is, but I suspect you are overly concerned with it, whatever it might be. As usual, I am just trying to get you to support a thing you said, and you want to get mad at me for it.

By the way, stuff like this:

Soy boy Frey

does not reflect well on you in the way that you might be hoping.

 
 

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