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The Next Time Someone Identifies Themselves As A Conservative, This Is How To Gently Bring Them Back To Reality

By:  DocPhil  •  Politics  •  last year  •  51 comments

The Next Time Someone Identifies Themselves As A Conservative, This Is How To Gently Bring Them Back To Reality

The final nail has been driven into the coffin of American Conservatism with the passage of the Senate's latest "tax reform" bill. As a liberal, I spent my life debating true conservatives about our differing points of view. We rarely came to agreement but we were able to respect each other's positions on the issues. One of the reasons for this was that both liberals and conservatives were true to their beliefs and practiced what they preached.

Unfortunately in the twenty teens, there is no clear line between liberalism and conservatism. There are those who espouse sections of each philosophy, but there are many others who utilize the identification of a philosophy as a method of using a cudgel on the rest of the population. Let's look at what Conservatism says about some issues and what the "modern conservative" frequently supports:

  1. National Debt:  The truly conservative position, and the key principle on which conservative philosophy is based is that the government should be as debt free as possible. When looked at in terms of budget and debt reduction, the conservative position would be to approve only budgets with a surplus which would then be used to decrease the national debt. Of course, this has not been the case in recent conservatism. Republican Congresses and Presidents have not passed a balanced budget in my lifetime {70 years}, nor have they ever decreased the deficit once. That is not conservatism. The new "tax reform" is going to add 1.2 TRILLION dollars to the national debt. Why? To give their donors and the richest Americans a huge tax cut. Not conservative.....just greed.
  2. Moral Authority: One of the basic tenets of nineteenth, twentieth, and even early twentieth century conservatism was the concept of "family values" and the support of politicians who were paragons of the moral values that conservatives held. Oh how the times have changed. We now have a self-identified sexual predator as President, the party of Lincoln is perched to elect a pedophile to the senate from the state of Alabama because "a pedophile is better than a democrat". It seems that a democrat that prosecuted and got convictions against ku klux klan murders isn't moral enough.
  3. Religious Tolerance: One of the most important conservative principles that came out of World War II was tolerance for all religions. Having seen the horrors of that war toward human beings solely on the basis of their religion, conservatives in the 1950s were among the most religiously tolerant and accepting in the world. Today, conservatism is actively attacking the "other". Religion means political identification to many conservatives. They are unwilling to mix with those "others" or even engage them in discussion. This is definitely not conservative.
  4. Value of Education:  Traditional Conservatism placed a great emphasis on the conservative intellectual. The leading lights in the conservative movement were intellectuals who were the lynchpins and face of the movement. That is over. There is no place in the modern conservative movement for intellectualism. Intellectuals are considered part of the elite, or even worse, part of the mainstream media. Conservative intellectuals are not welcome in the party any more and are leaving in droves. Modern conservatism is eschewing traditional education and is encouraging their followers to home school, attend doctrinaire schools, and go to higher education institutions that foster a narrow world view. This is not what traditional conservatism ever espoused.
  5. Compromise:  While there are many other areas that I can talk about, I will end with a short discussion about compromise. There was a time, not long ago, when there was an understanding in both the conservative and liberal communities that they were the outliers and that the majority of the American people were centrists who on various issues leaned either slightly right or left. Those of us who held strongly liberal or strongly conservative views understood that it was our role in the political discourse to move legislation and public opinion toward our viewpoints, not by leaps and bounds, but by degrees. Modern conservatism has totally lost this belief in compromise. It is now a zero sum game. Politics is an all or nothing approach. It is either the conservative way or the highway. You can work with us only if you accept everything we want to do or say. This is not conservatism. This is not even Americanism.

The next time you speak to a modern American "conservative", please be certain to remind them of the reasons why they are not what they claim. They are nationalists. They are Trumpists. They are authoritarians. They are not moving us in directions that are good for this country. Remind them that if they want to try something really conservative, try to be conservative. Then we can have a legitimate debate.

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Krishna
1  Krishna    last year

Enameled copper wire touched me inappropriate manner blushing when I was 14-- I will sue! 

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
2  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη    last year

I love copper wire.....I put cotton on the ends and clean my ears.

 
 
Krishna
2.1  Krishna  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @2    last year

Is that a Copper wire in your ear.....or are you just glad..?

 
 
Dean Moriarty
1  Dean Moriarty    last year

I don't care what Democrats think of them of prefer to label them as. I'm just glad we have them and they took the congress and presidency out of the hands of the Democrats. They certainly do a better job of representing me than the leftists do. 

 
 
DocPhil
1.1  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1    last year

A bit of discussion here. How are they doing better in both representing you and the nation as a whole? Whenever I ask a person who is conservative, I generally get Gorsich and the Supreme Court. The problem there is that both the democratic and republican parties have the whole concept of the court wrong. It is supposed to be non-political, an arm of the people in toto, not the party in power. We've been making that mistake for two centuries. We were wrong to allow them to get involved in issues of morality in the first place, and we are wrong to try to stack a court to rule on issues of personal morality now. Other than that, however, how does this current republican administration serve the nation and yourself better than a democratic administration or congress?

 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @1.1    last year

True.  The Justices are SUPPOSED to be non political, but the left has infected the court with activists who believe the Constitution should be a 'living document' and subject to the mores of the world as they desire to see it.

They neglect to take into account the language usage of the time it was written into account and instead apply current usage to their decisions.

But, they have as you note also been 'creating' rights with their rulings.  Abortion for example.  It's not listed anywhere but is now the law of the land.  

 
 
Skrekk
1.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
They neglect to take into account the language usage of the time it was written into account and instead apply current usage to their decisions.

If the right wing nuts on the court had their way then women, blacks, Muslims and LGBT folks would have no civil rights at all despite the clear language of the equal protection clause.

 
 
Cerenkov
1.1.3  Cerenkov  replied to  Skrekk @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

Hysterics aside, that's simply not true.

 
 
Skrekk
1.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Cerenkov @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
Hysterics aside, that's simply not true.

Obviously it's true given that all the conservatives on the court recently voted against marriage equality despite there being no rational basis for such anti-LGBT laws and no credible legal justification to uphold those bigoted laws.    So clearly the RW loons on the court are not deriving their bigoted and ignorant views from the plain language of the constitution but from their own biases and nutty superstitions.

To put it another way, if textualism were the issue then both the Windsor and the Obergefell rulings should have been unanimous like the Loving v Virginia ruling was.

 
 
Don Overton
1.2  Don Overton  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1    3 weeks ago

I would love to see you add some truthful facts, not the lies repubs usually call facts

 
 
XDm9mm
2  XDm9mm    last year

As I've told many others.  Dr. Phil...  you don't want debate or compromise.  You want surrender and capitulation to your point of view as you see anything opposing that as racist, xenophobic, sexist or misogynist, Islamophobic, homophobic or any of the plethora of other derogatory terms you use to identify those on the right.  However, I will grant that you have now added to the lexicon of identifiers with 'nationalists' and 'authoritarians'.

Fortunately, we now have a President who desires The United States of America to reclaim it's former position of the greatest nation on earth and has no desire to go on global apology tours denigrating the country for the worlds ills as a former president had done.

 
 
DocPhil
2.1  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2    last year

And how is what he is doing conservative? Isolationism has never been a conservative value. Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Ford, or either of the Bushes could be considered liberals. They all were globalists and internationalists. I'm more than willing to debate my premise, not individual attacks on me.

 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @2.1    last year

How is he isolationist?  Having a desire to put America at the front of the line in negotiations?  All countries do that.  Trump has simply made it public that he will not allow America to be used as the worlds bank and a patsy any longer.

From a personal perspective, having an American working, earning wages, paying taxes, supporting his/her family is much more important to me than having someone in Bangladesh or any other country doing that.  The few pennies saved at the checkout by buying imported goods are lost providing the supporting social services to support those Americans with public assistance.

 
 
DocPhil
2.1.2  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.1    last year

I am in total agreement with you that we should spend our money on goods that are made here in America. It increases everything we want as Americans. Jobs, wages, standard of living, tax base, etc. Those jobs lift people out of poverty. The problem is that it certainly isn't the Republican tax plan that is going to do that. What they are doing is lowering the corporate tax rate which will be a boon for the shareholders in the large businesses. They are allowing money that has been earned overseas to come back to the nation with tax forgiveness, as a pass through. That sounds wonderful to get investible income back into the states, but the net result will be just the opposite. I was talking to a former CFO of a huge company that has about 40% of it's resources housed abroad to avoid paying taxes. Basically, I was told that what the republicans are doing is legitimizing money laundering for earnings abroad. Because of the permanence of the tax structure for businesses, there will be more business investment overseas, more money being spent on cheap labor and goods and on-going tax forgiveness for their companies as they bring the monies back and distribute them among their shareholders. That's not conservatism, that's criminal.

 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @2.1.2    last year

The problem is that it certainly isn't the Republican tax plan that is going to do that. What they are doing is lowering the corporate tax rate which will be a boon for the shareholders in the large businesses.

So you're objecting to the owners of publicly traded companies enjoying the benefits of lower taxes and improved corporate profit?  Seriously?   Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the largest shareholders of most companies.  Pension plans, IRA's and 401k's to name a few and don't forget to throw in the individual investors and mutual funds people invest in.  Yes, the Buffetts, Soros, Kochs, and Bloombergs of the world will also benefit, but they have enough tax lawyers and accountants to make their tax liability as little as possible anyway, so that's a moot point.

They are allowing money that has been earned overseas to come back to the nation with tax forgiveness, as a pass through. That sounds wonderful to get investible income back into the states, but the net result will be just the opposite.

Maybe you have not noticed that there are a large number of companies that have already noted their intentions to repatriate production facilities back to the United States.  They realize the value of the American worker as among the best in the world.

I was talking to a former CFO of a huge company that has about 40% of it's resources housed abroad to avoid paying taxes. Basically, I was told that what the republicans are doing is legitimizing money laundering for earnings abroad.

A former CFO.   And who was very likely instrumental in determining that a great tax scam was to abuse the system and relocate overseas to pay LOWER corporate rates in another country than keep the American worker consumer working here to buy the product.

Because of the permanence of the tax structure for businesses, there will be more business investment overseas, more money being spent on cheap labor and goods and on-going tax forgiveness for their companies as they bring the monies back and distribute them among their shareholders.

Since we will now be closer in tax to other countries, there will be less incentive to relocate.   Many companies, as I noted above are noting they will be repatriating production facilities here.  Other foreign countries have already noted they will be building production facilities here.  Trump has lessened the bureaucratic burden and expense of doing business here with the reversal of quite a number of regulations the previous administration put in place.

But, my last point will be the first statement I made.

So you're objecting to the owners of publicly traded companies enjoying the benefits of lower taxes and improved corporate profit?  Seriously?   Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the largest shareholders of most companies.  Pension plans, IRA's and 401k's to name a few and don't forget to throw in the individual investors and mutual funds people invest in.  Yes, the Buffetts, Soros, Kochs, and Bloombergs of the world will also benefit, but they have enough tax lawyers and accountants to make their tax liability as little as possible anyway, so that's a moot point.

Defend that you don't want pensions, both public and private, retirees, and individual investors to enjoy the fruits of their labors and investments.

 
 
DocPhil
2.1.4  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.3    last year

I have no problem with companies earning money and shareholders earning profit. I have sizeable holdings in enough companies that I have a comfortable retirement. That is not my point. I don't have a problem with the 20% corporate tax rate. No one paid the old rate anyhow. The fact is very few businesses will pay the 20% rate. The average fortune 500 company pays a net corporate tax of about 11%. The only thing that is going to get money back here is the pass through with tax forgiveness. That is not an incentive to bring companies back, it is an incentive to maintain and expand overseas manufacturing.

If the tax bill was really thought out, it would have allowed the pass through to be in effect for two or three years. After that, American goods made by companies in America would be taxed at a rate that was 8-10% lower than for that sector of goods being made overseas. That would have been a real incentive to get money back into this nation along with redeveloping the business infrastructure that would allow for the growth of jobs and wages. It is also a plan that both liberals and conservatives should be able to get behind.

 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @2.1.4    last year
The average fortune 500 company pays a net corporate tax of about 11%.

Then why complain about what the Republicans did?

 
 
DocPhil
2.1.6  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.5    last year

I'm not complaining about lowering the corporate tax rate. I'm complaining about the hidden incentives to keep companies abroad and the incentivization to get them to move overseas. The corporate tax rate was out of line with the rest of the world and was just a paper tiger. That was never really a point of contention.

 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @2.1.6    last year
I'm complaining about the hidden incentives to keep companies abroad and the incentivization to get them to move overseas

CONJECTURE from someone you purportedly spoke with.  Now fact, mere speculation and supposition.

If that is true, why have there been so many companies repatriating production here?  Why have so many cancelled plans to expand overseas and instead expand here?  Why have so many foreign companies announced plans to BUILD NEW factories here?

Are those facts not diametrically opposed to what you're trying to convince yourself of?

 
 
DocPhil
2.1.8  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.7    last year

You're listening to Trump spouting his Kool-Aid. Whenever CEOs are asked about repatriating and growing industries in the USA, the answer is almost always no. In fact, more companies will leave under this plan than will come back. There is simply no data to support the repatriating of businesses.

 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.9  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @2.1.8    last year

And 'your' speaking with a 'former CFO' is gospel?  Seriously?

But, you claim there is no data to support repatriation.   Exactly where is the data supporting your conversation with a 'former CFO'?

 
 
DocPhil
2.1.10  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.9    last year

Have you seen Mnuchin's meeting with CEO's when he thought he was asking a softball question about reinvestment of newfound money into growth and hiring? He expected them all to agree. Only one hand in the room went up. That is visual data. Look at the NYT financial page from November 30 that indicates that a survey of 239 Ph.D economists representing liberal, conservative, and middle of the road think tanks and random full professors of economics, found that only 3 of the economists, 1.2% agreed with any part of the tax plan, especially the section concerning corporate tax forgiveness. That is documentation.

 
 
WallyW
2.2  WallyW  replied to  XDm9mm @2    3 weeks ago

They are not moving us in directions that are good for this country. Remind them that if they want to try something really conservative, try to be

You said it very well XD.

What the leftists refuse to admit, is that that the people are not buying their lying bullshyt and broken promises anymore. And someone says the Democrats somehow have the moral authority??  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif The list of their corruption and deceit is too lengthy to go into here.

Since when has has the left be concerned about the debt and deficits, or shown any tolerance toward any religion, except Islam.

They think being highly educated equates to being intelligent, but we see daily examples of that fallacy here on a daily basis.

We only have to go back a few years to bring back the fact that the previous administration and Democrats in general were not willing to do any type of compromise.

What the left wants is not the good of the country, but unchallenged power. I can't see them ever getting it back, because they are too extreme for this country. The voters have rejected them and they can't seem to heal the butt hurt.

 
 
Don Overton
2.2.1  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @2.2    2 weeks ago

If you would quit watching Fox and listening to Trump you would find out that everything you said is a lie

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
3  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη    last year

Unfortunately in the twenty teens, there is no clear line between liberalism and conservatism. 

So let me understand this? You are upset that conservatives are acting like liberals? One would think you would embrace the knee buckling by republicans?

errr....I smell b.s.

 
 
DocPhil
3.1  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @3    last year

Not at all......I feel that this nation operates best when there is a true right, a true center, and a true left. The sausage that is made from those ingredients has served this nation well. The sausage being made by being in bed with the interests of either the most extreme parts of the right or the most extreme parts of the left are invariably poisoned. Most true middle of the road Americans believe that. Most true liberals and conservatives see their role in the sausage making as being the spices that flavor the meat.

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    last year

Then we can have a legitimate debate.

there is no reason to debate. or compromise with today's liberal. progressive. and communist pricks.

when the left supports secure borders, better trade deals and a sovereign country?  then and only then will we debate anything.  until that time? no deal.

 
 
Don Overton
4.1  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 weeks ago

Says the biggest Russian prick of all.  From your comment you have no idea what you are talking about, especially about what makes up political parties.  Would you like me to post the differences for you.  Oh, never mind, you can't read, you watch too much Fox and idiots

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5  The Magic Eight Ball    last year

The final nail has been driven into the coffin of American Conservatism 

how many times have we heard this in the past 9 yrs?  too funny...  seriously.

hey doc, you should help the left get some of the 1500 seats back they lost in govt over the same time period.

Cheers :)

 
 
DocPhil
5.1  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5    last year

Have no fear, I'm working on it. We did pretty well in Virginia and New Jersey last month. We're working on the rest of the country now. Come back at me after the 2018 elections. I think that the people will have come to their senses and the republicans will suffer for this President and candidates like you've put up in Alabama.

 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @5.1    last year

Keep working and losing.  You're taking two minor elections as your high?  Seriously?

NJ hated Christie and anyone associated with him.   It really was not that much of a win.

VA has been tilting progressive liberal for some time now and it was the population centers in Northern VA, Roanoke and Richmond that got the Democrat elected.  That might simply force the suburban/rural people to get off their asses in the next election.

Oh, have no fear.  As hard as you're working to elect Democrat Progressives, I'm working to elect Republican/Conservatives.  So maybe we should both kick back, relax and enjoy retirement as we're cancelling each other out.

 
 
DocPhil
5.1.2  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    last year

I'm about as chilled as I've ever been. I just believe that the American people made the greatest mistake in it's entire history by electing Trump president. There have been many presidents in my lifetime that I have disagreed with politically, but I truly believed that they always had the best interests of this nation in mind. I even served on national committees for President Reagan who I disagreed with on almost every policy issue. I could always speak to those in power when there was a modicum of clarity and intellect coming out of the other side. This is a destructive administration. An approval rating eleven months into office of 36% is the absolute justification for my optimism. No party in history has ever prevented a landslide by the out party in an off year election when their approval ratings are below 45%. Even the generic congressional poll shows the highest differential in history......56-44 in favor of the democrats. We may have screwed up royally when we nominated the weakest candidate in history in Hillary Clinton, but that will not be the case next year, nor will it be the case in 2020.

 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  DocPhil @5.1.2    last year

When the people start seeing more take home pay in their paychecks, the elimination of being forced to buy a private product without fear of being additionally taxed, I will submit that 2018 will not be anything like you expect.  I will further submit that the Democrats that voted against lowering the taxpayers burden will themselves be looking for work.  Additionally, when the economy is fully back, jobs begging for workers and companies clamoring with higher wages for the available workers, the Democrats will be out in the cold come 2020.

But, you still believe in polls.  Did those same polls not claim it would be a Clinton win in a landslide?

 
 
DocPhil
5.1.4  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.3    last year

Do you really think that an extra $8.68 a week in take home pay for the average worker is going to be cause for elation among American workers? When those who lose their healthcare and find out that their premiums will go up $30-50 a week for a family of 4, even Americans with a third grade education will be able to do the math. Then, when they find out that the $8.68 "windfall" will be sunsetted while the millionaires tax breaks will be permanent, there will be a full scale rebellion. 

Laffer's theory of Supply Side economics have never worked in any economy. It is a scam that benefits only those who are already rich at the expense of those who are poor and middle class. I may be a potential beneficiary of this plan, but I will make certain that I return my largesse to those who actually need it. I would like to see the same pledge from all of us who will really benefit from this monstrosity.

By the way, the only people who ever believe in polls are the ones the polls favor. Sometimes they are wrong, but over 95% of the time they are accurate.

 
 
DocPhil
5.2  seeder  DocPhil  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5    one week ago

Correction, it was 994 seats at all levels of government in 8 years of the Obama administration. An average of 125 or so losses a year. During the 2017 off year, there were approximately 88 seats that flipped. The 2018 midterms give the democrats 35+ or - in the house, 7 governors,, -2 senate seats, and 375 state house seats. There are other minor seats changed such as county administrators, city councils, etc. which gave another 150 or so seats back to democrats.  This translates into 493 major flips for the democrats, with another 150 that we are not even counting. That is 1/2 of the seats lost during 8 years of the Obama presidency. It also averages about 250 losses a year. 

I'm not hearing much from the Trumpies about this issue any more. At this rate, there won't be any trumpicans left by 2020 let alone 2024. America is wising up. They hate Trump and his feckless congress. The pendulum swings back to the left.

 
 
Nowhere Man
6  Nowhere Man    last year

Pseudo-intellectual rubbish......

 
 
bbl-1
7  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

Conservatism is dead.  Murdered by Supply Side Economics, which also very conveniently murdered American capitalism.

Real conservatives, such as W.F. Buckley, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Chase Smith and even Richard Nixon among many others would turn their heads at the approach of what modern day conservatism has devolved into.  Donald J. Trump is not a conservative.  He is a threat. 

 
 
XDm9mm
7.1  XDm9mm  replied to  bbl-1 @7    3 weeks ago
Donald J. Trump is not a conservative.  He is a threat. 

Actually, until fairly recently, he was a Democrat.  So, are you admitting that Democrats are a threat?

 
 
Don Overton
7.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    3 weeks ago

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bbl-1
7.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    3 weeks ago

My comment was about the Trump and only the Trump. 

Perhaps this instead?  The Trump is not honest.  He is a threat.

 
 
A. Macarthur
7.1.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    3 weeks ago

are you admitting that Democrats are a threat?

I report, you decide.

original

original

 
 
WallyW
7.2  WallyW  replied to  bbl-1 @7    3 weeks ago
Donald J. Trump is not a conservative. 

That's why we like him. Like millions of others, I lean only slight right of center, but I vote strictly Republican. They can't win elections without us. Many Democrats are jumping the floundering ship of liberalism, and are swimming toward the welcoming harbor of the righteous majority. I suspect a lot of independents will end up feeling that way also.

 
 
Don Overton
7.2.1  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @7.2    3 weeks ago

Prove it  Wally W

 
 
Cerenkov
7.2.2  Cerenkov  replied to  WallyW @7.2    3 weeks ago

Very true.

 
 
bbl-1
7.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  WallyW @7.2    3 weeks ago

Ah yes.  "The welcoming harbor of the righteous majority."  That term sounds exactly like the daily tenant taught at the Madrassa.

 
 
Done
8  Done    3 weeks ago

So the point of this whatever you want to label it as I consider it pseudo intellectual craptrap is that because so called conservatives have become more like democrat douchebags engaging in left wing fukwadism that the result is that the country is going to Hell in a handbasket. That’s pretty fucking bizarre.

 
 
Don Overton
8.1  Don Overton  replied to  Done @8    3 weeks ago

Too bad you can't see because of the gravel in you eyes

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago
The final nail has been driven into the coffin of American Conservatism with

LOL   "said the incredibly shrinking blue political body"

  1. the final nail in conservatism was first declared before we took back the house in 2010
  2. the final nail in conservatism was declared again... and then we took back the senate.
  3. the final nail in conservatism was again declared but somehow hillary lost.

so... we have another final nail?   

history says the so-called "final nail in conservatism" has not worked out well for the left.

every time they drive that final nail? it winds up in their own backsides... LOL

oh wait... tax cuts?  yepp, people hate that crap... LOL  this might be the one. not :)

 
 
Skrekk
9.1  Skrekk  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9    3 weeks ago

I wonder how many women will vote for the pro-rapist and anti-choice party, how many gays vote for the party of homophobia, trans folks vote for a party which seeks to erase their very identity, racial minorities vote for a party of white supremacy, Jews vote for the party which seeks to eradicate them by any means necessary, or Muslims or other non-Christians vote for the party of Christian sharia law.    And that's before we get to other groups like anyone under 30.

Looks like you're stuck with a rapidly shrinking demographic of elderly and angry straight white Christian butt-hurt men.    That's not much to base a party on but maybe the Know Nothing party will welcome you.

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Don Overton @9.2    2 weeks ago

if conservatism was dead? hillary would be president... 

you have been declaring the right dead for years...

the death of conservatism has been greatly exaggerated.

4 days and a wake up :)

 
 
Tessylo
9.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.2.1    2 weeks ago

They've been dying ever since Dubya.  Rump is just hastening their demise.  'Conservatism' just doesn't have the good sense to just die and go away already.  

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.2.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.2    2 weeks ago
They've been dying ever since Dubya.

and yet somehow they have been taking seats in congress away from the dems since 2010

and then? against all odds?  they took the presidency.

the amazing dead gop - still kicking democrat ass... LOL

 

 
 
freepress
10  freepress    3 weeks ago

The national debt, the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, the threat to healthcare creating increased costs or loss of life due to loss of coverage, the threats to our freedoms like the press, the right to vote and right to dissent, all of these are under threat by a man who cares less about the people of this country.

Why people keep buying his rhetoric is astounding.

Look at your wallet, look at your healthcare, look at your rights to speak, write, report, or dissent, look at the level of bad behavior coming from the top, (which no one in their right mind would ever teach to their children), then voter him out, vote out every Republican that refuses to stand up for all of us.