Election Night Live with JBB
It is now past 8:00 PM Eastern time on election night 2020 and the returns are finally coming in. This space is being provided for all as an open forum for comments on tonight's election results. Please enjoy yourselves and try to keep it civil. Now, what are the denizens of The News Talkers thinking?
Go Joe! Joe has the Joementum!
You may soon see that he has nothing but Joementia
That is "President Elect Biden" to you...
Could very well be.
Rick Scott is already calling Florida for Trump...
Florida is not going Biden's way. This indicates that this election will not necessarily be an electoral blow-out and we might not know the results for days. Stay tuned, this is going to be a wild ride.
On the positive side Biden is over performing in Ohio and off to a good lead in Pennsylvania...
Yup, Biden has quite a few paths. All this suggests (to me) is that this will not be a blowout. No surprises yet.
and NC!
You just may have been right about Trump's hidden strength among bashful Trump fans...
I thought you were going to bed early tonight.
I have only speculated about this race of course since none of us have had reliable data. The real data is finally arriving and thus it looks like this is going to be a close race. Ohio is an interesting example of how easily this race could go either way; looking bad for Trump. Regardless, Biden has more paths than Trump so he retains the advantage.
I got talked into staying up so we could talk in the chat room.
I will be curious to see if Biden's lead in the polls in Michigan translates into votes...
As the old saying goes. "It ain't over till it's over!"
Yogi was a sage.
Yep, he most certainly was.
For a vote to count, one has to show up and cast it. We are seeing again a disparity between those who will engage in polls and those who will actually vote.
Also, seems to me, people will be analyzing this election for quite some time. The cognitive dissonance must be raging with voters because I think those who go beyond pure partisan ' thinking ' have a choice between two very different candidates both with big negatives. That makes the analysis very complex.
Can we fast forward to 2024 please?
You are absolutely correct. I agree let's fast forward to 2024.
[removed.] Its already too late. Your both sides analysis is already bleeding into the final moments of the counting of these god damn ballots.
[removed] Only one of these two people is fit, morally, ethically, intellectually, and psychologically, to be president of the United States. And it's not Trump.
Donald Trump is a completely corrupt individual. Personally. Completely. Is a completely corrupt individual fit to be president of the United States [removed]
This is not happening because of Biden, it's happening because of racism and white nationalism. Wake the hell up.
Trump is not fit to hold office, not even close. Votes cannot change that fact.
You have a president of the United States that is a fucking conspiracy nut. He refused to condemn the Q Anon conspiracy theory when he was directly asked about it. He believes in numerous other crackpot conspiracies. Is a person who believes that Hillary Clinton sexually molested and murdered children in the basement of a pizza parlor fit to hold office [removed] Trump has never disavowed that belief, even when he was directly asked about it. Is he fit to hold office?
I asked you time after time to stop with this [removed]
No matter how much you try to deny it, there are indeed two candidates and those candidates have pros and cons.
There are people out there who are voting for Trump and it seems reasonable that not all of them are pure partisan sycophants.
Pretending that there is only one choice for the USA electorate is irrational; it is obviously not the case. Your analysis ignores the fact that you are not the only person who votes and is thus ridiculous.
Buy a vowel. Also, I suggest you cease emotionally lashing out at others and instead cool your absurdly runaway emotions.
Stop what 'shit' ? Using available data to try to figure out what is going on with this election? Recognizing that there are indeed two candidates and the electoral dynamics are a function of their differences? That 'shit'?
John, sorry but you really need to step back and deal with and accept that not everybody shares your extreme dislike and contempt of Trump, and conservatives in general, as well as your particular political views. It's a big world out there.
How about simply understand that some people can objectively comment on what is taking place in reality? Or to understand that the electorate consists of many varied individuals who do not see things exactly as JR? And finally to realize that it is the electorate who will vote in the next PotUS so trying to analyze what they are doing is far more relevant than offering wishful thinking that helps JR feel warm and fuzzy.
Them too.
Ed, it is known that Trump is a pathological liar, a crook , a bigot, a moron , and a cheat.
These are not things that are mere speculation, they are known. Please tell me why in the face of these facts you think that Trump is fit to be president of the United States. Don't tell me that people like Trump. Tell me why such a person is fit for office. I don't care if you like Trump . Liking Trump does not make him fit for office. I don't care how many times you say you like him or other people like him.
Do you want to see this country go down the drain? That is the end of the Trump Train. The ruin of our country.
You don't care that Trump is unfit for office. If you did you would say so instead of engaging in academic analysis of whatever it is you think you are analyzing.
Donald Trump just said that he is going to ask the Supreme Court to make the states stop counting the votes. Why don't you talk about that and this attempt at a dictatorship and stop with the both sides bs.
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This is what you said. These are your words.
You create an equivalence in 'negatives' . They both have BIG negatives. according to you. The implication is that it is six of one half a dozen of the other. Eeeny meenie miney mo.
The truth is that there is no comparison. One of them is completely unfit for office , Trump, and the other , Biden, is not completely unfit for office. I am asking you to explain why you make these false equivalencies , or stop god damn doing it. You have been doing this all year. Now, its too late. So now your creation of this false equivalency is set in stone.
John, this is not at all helpful. Such comments create division among your allies.
I'm just telling him the truth. He made a comment strongly implying that Biden is no more fit to be president than Trump. Why dont you dispute him and what he said instead of trying to correct me?
He said no such thing. You read that into his words.
lol.
according to Tig "thinking" people have a choice between two candidates with BIG negatives. In all of what he wrote yesterday, or any other day, about the election, point out to me where he said that Trump was not fit for the office of the presidency but Biden was. I'll wait.
We need our allies to act in furtherance of our goals, do we not? How does saying "a choice between two candidates with BIG negatives" further our goal ?
It seems to me we have here a line of reasoning more interested in pointing out the flaws in "partisan" thinking than it is interested in pointing out the flaws in Donald Trump.
Number one I have never said I "like Trump" and I challenge you post where I said that. I just happen to dislike the hard core liberal left much more than I do Trump. It is largely a waste of time to attempt to reason with you on what you allege because your extreme disgust of Trump and the right in general has you wearing a set of blinders a mile wide. You just do not get or accept the possibility that others believe the swamp to be drained is the liberal left's creation!
So, in other words you are fine with putting someone who is not fit to hold office in the United States of America into office because you dislike the other party ?
I havent been asking you if you think trump will do what you like more than the Democrat would. I'm asking you if Trump is fit to hold the office of president.
If you say yes I will give you about 500 reasons why he is not. You can't do the same for Biden and you know you cannot.
The Republican Party should have thrown Trump out on his ass long before his re-election attempt got this far. Its not the democrats or Joe Bidens fault that they didnt.
What is with your incessant drive to psychoanalyze people on this forum?
With me you are always wrong. You continually project your batshit crazy personal reality onto me and are surprised that I do not behave as you.
Get a clue JR, I tend to be analytical and objective. I care about the truth even if the truth is not pleasant.
No amount of of stomping your feet and whining is going to make a difference in the election. But constantly tossing out strawman allegations to other members will do you no favors.
Strawman! JFC John this is offensive as hell. I stated that the electorate is diverse and that it (millions of voters) clearly see pros and cons in both candidates. My point was that this election is likely replete with cognitive dissonance.
I note that both Biden and Trump have their pros and cons and you translate that into me implying that Biden is unfit.
Get a clue. Comment on what I actually write instead of putting words in my mouth.
What reality do you see John? There are two candidates. There are thinking people who seek Biden for his policies and presidential mannerisms and/or because he is not a narcissistic asshole like Trump. There are also thinking people who may well find Trump despicable but prefer his policies over Biden.
To not see this reality is to be living in a dream world. Wake up and attempt to deal with reality rather than pretending that your more comfortable reality is true.
The reality is that two men are running for the office. Both have pros and cons. The electorate seems to downplay Trump's cons far more than you (or I) would expect. Deal with it rather than blaming me, et. al. for simply noting what is taking place and trying to make sense of it.
But they did not do so. And unfortunately we do not have an inspirational D candidate (like a living JFK, Jr.) running so even with a despicable character like Trump, the election is close.
This is reality. Face it.
The emotional strawman allegations are absurdly out of control.
It's not emotional at all.
Biden is fit to hold office and Trump is not. It's not only me saying that, hundreds of people have said the same thing in public articles, editorials and videos.
Just show me where you have said Trump is not fit to hold office but his opponent Joe Biden is. All I have seen over months is you saying that they both have issues. Yes they both have issues. For one of them their issues are disqualifying (to put it mildly) , but for the other one (Biden) they are not.
Strawman! Go argue with yourself in front of the mirror instead of inventing arguments for me.
I don't perform on demand. I have for years expressed my opinions of Trump (and to a lesser degree Biden) in my own way. If you cannot comprehend the meaning of my deeming Trump a narcissistic asshole who is an embarrassment as PotUS then just steer clear of me because there is no communicating with you. I am not interested in engaging irrational comments / allegations.
John, you really need to try to stop putting your words in other people's mouths. You are the the one saying he is not fit. That is your opinion. I feel he is more fit to hold office than Biden, but that is my opinion. If you don't like my saying that it's your problem not mine! Like it or not, the majority of the right consider Trump the lesser of two evils. I don't care much for him but I'll take him over Biden any day. Now go play word games with somebody else. Your rhetoric is becoming a bore.
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What "feelings" ? The record of Trump's pathological lying, criminality, stupidity, mental illness , and personal corruption is entirely factual and not based on "feelings".
Uh huh.
Funny that all you can come up with are opinion pieces from mostly blatant leftist liberal sources. You still just cannot accept that others do not share your views. The above overly long drawn out post just reinforces that. The more you try to push your views on others the more boring you become because it is so repetitive and becomes impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you when it has to be all your way or nothing at all. You really should consider giving it a rest somewhat.
Once again, the said "Big Blue Wave" fizzled out at the doors of the Senate.
Except Bernie Sanders and Angus King caucus with the Democrats and two seats are TBD...
Too bad. I had hopes for Florida and GA. No such luck.
GA is not over.
Georgia ain't over till Chuck Todd says it's over...
Trump doing better than 2016 with every demographic except white males...
Lot of media narratives getting beat up tonight...
Biden just won Arizona. That breaks the norm in his favor.
McCain's revenge. Trump earned this loss by being a gratuitous asshole.
TiG, do you have a link for that map? I would like to check that one out.
I am not following the maps, Raven, I am following the real-time commentary.
Thanks TiG.
I posted a current map which shows Biden leading Trump but with Trump trending in many of the undecided states. This will probably not change until tomorrow afternoon.
anyone else having glitch when they look at their live maps? i have one open in bing and one in MSN , click on virginia , which has been called for biden , and it shows trump with a higher vote count as well as a higher percentage of votes yet is the loser in that state.....
I have been watching that for a while now. also.
the numbers seem ok now.
as soon as i posted that it fixed itself .
except now its backwards again.... LOL
ah well.... actually matters not
well 1 of my 3 predictions came through tonight , trump took wyoming as i knew he would and he did it by a bigger percentage than he won over hillary, Biden lost the state with only 21 % and some change , he actually did worse than hillary.
AND wyoming went the way i said for the house and senate races . will have to wait to see who wins the WH to see if my prediction of the US going to have a series of 1 term presidents when trump was first elected , next prediction depends on if Biden wins , was he would only serve 2 years then resign.
that might have played a factor during this election as well.
Joe is on TV right now looking like a winner!
if he serves less than 2 years , then kamala can only serve one term of her own , if he serves 2 years and she takes over , she gets to run for 2 terms of her own for a total of 10 years in the WH.
I agree biden won’t serve a full term, IF HE WINS. I also predict harris will not win an election as a presidential candidate. She was the first to drop out of the primaries because she ran out of cash. That does not happen to a candidate that generates excitement. She received zero delegates. And her campaign was described as chaotic. She was a terrible choice for vp.
under the instance im thinking and posted , if biden retires /resigns at 2 tears , that gives harris a 2 year "trial' period with which to prove her "chops"
I should have said the "potential " of her having 2 more terms of her own exists , that of course is dependent on how she would do during that "trial" period , she does well, the party will get behind her as an incumbant . she doesnt ...... who knows , it would remain that the potential of the WH staying in a single party control for a total of 12 years , 10 of which being under a single person instead of just 8 , still exists .
It’s a shame the first woman president will get the job by default.
As it looks now , and its subject to change , the GOP will keep the senate , and possably gain control in the house
The GOP looks to retain control of the Senate but will not gain control of the House.
The Democrats will definitely retain the House...
doesnt look like it to me looking at state to state results .
Look again. Democrats retained the House!
But, Trump Lost! So, let's not be so pedantic...
The vaunted "Big Blue Wave" fizzled out at the doors of the Senate chambers just like it did in 2018!
No, but repeating your opinion over and over is!
WHOOSH...
You're who doesn't know what pedantic means.
Fla is being called for trump , NC count is at 100% and they are seperated by less than 100,000 votes , i see a recount there.
if all the states where trump currently lead stay at the present percentage point gaps , he will win.
I am calling the Electoral College for Biden at 270...
Anything extra is savory tasty deliciousness gravy.
It’s unconscionable that they’ve stopped counting votes.
they need extra time to steal the election.
I do not see this as a sign that anyone is stealing the election. The counting is going to take time and I suspect they wanted to work long hours during the normal hours of the day when workers are more available.
imagine what it would be like trying to tabulate all the votes WITHOUT the tech advances we enjoy?
we are simply seeing what it was like for past voters , before the current advances arrived , and how long it took , today we are too use to instant gratification .
Tell me about it. I get so frustrated hearing my kids bitch because something isn't happening fast enough.
Apparently, good things come to those who wait, for all of the votes to be counted...