Donald Trump Has Been Impeached, Again...
A Bipartisan House Has Voted To Impeach Donald Trump For A Historic Second Time!
Ten Republicans joined Democrats to impeach Donald Trump for a second time this glorious afternoon. History will praise the bravery of those Big R Republicans who stood against the tyrant!
Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?
This is a great day for Democracy and for America!
10 R's did the right thing. The rest of them can go pound sand. We are going to be watching them all very closely. Now get a detail and escort the orange con man out of the People's House. He has no further business being there.
The four gop no votes were spineless yeses!
The House approved Impeachment articles - only.
Only the Senate can try/approve the articles presented and then declare impeachment - and, the conviction has to be done by 2/3 of the members present - in the Senate, not the House.
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 3
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 3 - The Senate
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments . When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Notwithstanding the belief among the China-bashers that China censors everything, I woke up this morning to watch on CNN LIVE BROADCAST NEWS hosted by Wolf Blitzer as it was actually happening American history being made, watching Pelosi sign the Articles of Impeachment. Although jbb may say it was spineless for GOP members to abstain, jbb may never have been nor ever have had his family threatened by radical right-wing terrorists who have proven that they carry out their intentions and seem to have no fear of retribution, but perhaps those terrorist right-wingers just put it down to their absolute right to "free speech" no matter what the consequence. I am sure that a lot of the Republican lawmakers would have agreed with the Articles of Impeachment if they did not fear retribution by those criminals. It was mentioned on the broadcast that a lot of the "nay" votes were cast because the lawmakers did not want to lose the votes of their base electorate when they are up for re-election, but that also casts doubt on what the result will be in the Senate when a vote is taken there for conviction.
LOL! The Lincoln finger is hilarious.
This is what Donald trump wrote AFTER he knew that the nation's capitol had been attacked by his supporters
“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long, Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”
He is guilty. The only shame is he is not being removed from office today.
I heard this on the news. The mama's boy wearing the paint and the horns is refusing to eat in jail because they don't serve organic food. Let him starve and save us the money to keep him alive.
He wants to be famous. Maybe he can become famous for starving himself to death.
I heard they made sure mommy's little baby is getting his organic food.
Mommy said her precious little domestic terrorist gets an upset tummy if he goes without eating for too long
I would have liked low carb food when I was in. I didn't get it. Let this mofo starve to death. They will tell him it is organic, but it won't be. I hope he gets the runs.
I don't care who ya are... that's some funny stuff.
Good deal. But this won't save Democrats.
That guy wouldn't attract any attention at a gay pride parade; he's too conventional.
Nope, and with the Senate gone until the 19th, I doubt if a guilty vote will be forthcoming.
You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that Trump can only be impeached while he is in office.
The new Congress began January 3rd. Once the Senate reconvenes Schumer is Majority Leader.
"It appears that even if the House of Representatives impeaches President Trump this week, the Senate trial on that impeachment will not begin until after Trump has left office and President-Elect Biden has become president on Jan. 20. That Senate trial would be unconstitutional."
The Constitution itself answers this question clearly: No, he cannot be. Once Trump’s term ends on Jan. 20, Congress loses its constitutional authority to continue impeachment proceedings against him — even if the House has already approved articles of impeachment.
Therefore, if the House of Representatives were to impeach the president before he leaves office, the Senate could not thereafter convict the former president and disqualify him under the Constitution from future public office.
Constitutional scholars disagree with that...
Except the one's who don't.
My copy of the Constitution doesn't say anything about this...
Could you link to the applicable article, please?
Um... After the 20th, Dems will have a majority in the Senate. Which is the plan; hold off until the 21st.
Good luck with that.
Doesn't matter. Impeachment eliminates Trump and Republicans as an excuse.
Democrats can change the rules and prevent any sort of obstruction. Democrats can blame Trump all they want but there isn't anything preventing Democrats from fixing everything they complain about. Democrats don't have anywhere to hide now.
Yes, because Democrats control The House, The Senate and the Presidency. The gop lost all three in just the last two years thanks to Trump being The Worst President in History!
Precisely.
Which means Republicans are no longer relevant. The only thing Republicans can do is use the filibuster and Senate rules to 'obstruct' the Democratic agenda.. The Democratic base won't tolerate Chuck Schumer allowing that to continue.
Democrats don't have any place to hide this time.
You can't hold off Frostie - new administration can't/won't.
A legal opinion proffered by a constitutional lawyer on the CNN broadcast of the event indicated that there are historical precedents for the Senate trial to take place after the inauguration. Personally I hope it does, because that way Pence would be unable to pardon him, it is questionable if Trump can pardon himself, and I would be really disappointed with Biden if he pardoned him.
As a result of rhe Russian interference in our election and the gop's disinformation. Duh...
A simple majority, but a 2/3 majority will be required.
(But why should a Canadian know that?)
Isn't there a different aspect to a transition after a POTUS has served two terms and one who loses getting re-elected to a second term?
Trump's impeachment lawyers are said to be Rudy Giuliani and Alan Dershowitz.
Remember the good old days Buzz when you told everyone how brilliant Dershowitz was.
Now, now John... There's no reason to dig up dead bodies...
Inquiring minds want to know what sort of blackmail material Trump has on Dershowitz.
And Trump has said that he's not going to pay Rudy now, so Dershowitz will be last man standing.
"Good deal. But this won't save Democrats."
We're not worried about us
You need to worry about you
Nope, Trump supporters did that.
Trump supporters provided justification for Democrats to assume unilateral control and power. You think the Democratic base will tolerate Democratic leaders allowing Republicans any means of obstruction?
Democrats don't have any excuses left. And Democrats won't be able to point fingers at scapegoats. If Pelosi or Schumer blame Republicans now, it means they haven't done their jobs.
I guess we'll find out if Democrats can grow a spine. They'll need one.
The only Republicans in Congress with spines are the 10 who voted for impeachment today!
The upcoming administration, and Congress, will have huge messes to clean up, and those messes will have been created by Trump and Congressional Republicans. So they will be fully justified at pointing fingers at them for those messes.
Or else it will be like Republicans pointing their finger at Obama for a slow recovery from the recession, while at the same time blocking every effort Obama made to speed up that recovery.
And on that, you may be asking for a miracle. Democrats have never been known for boldly going where they need to go. They're more Don Knotts than William Shatner, they know what needs to be done, but they're terrified to go there.
Donald will be known as the first President to ever be impeached twice. The Democrats will be the first party that ever spent four years focused on little else other than trying to convince people we have had 128 constitutional crisis and impeaching a President. Pretty disappointing they could only get it done twice.
I am buying extra popcorn for when Joe sniffs someone and he gets impeached for being a sexual predator. That should happen about a week after the 2022 elections where the Republicans take back the house.
The sexual predator is leaving the White House on 1/19/21
And another one is going in on the 20th
No. but you admit tRump is a sexual predator. PROGRESS!
Trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault over 30 times..
Biden? 0.
Oh yea, and there is this...
Trump is refusing to give a DNA sample in a rape case. If he was innocent, why wouldn't he give a DNA sample if it would completely exonerate him? Because he's fucking guilty, that's why.
But sure, Joe smelled someone's hair..
Trump just got impeached by Congress, including ten Republicans, for inciting a godforsaken insurrection against The United States of America! Is that not enough?
You just admitted to derailing and off topic!
The topic, in case you forgot, is Trump getting his lousy lying ass impeached, again...
Republicans did not prove voter fraud in any court, although they tried 60+ times...does not stop them from ranting and wailing about voter fraud.
Simple question... Would you rather have Biden smell your hair or be groped by trump, (and possibly raped)?
C'mon people!
Trump is clearly trying to make up for his previous failures. Obviously!
That's why he's all over the media, calling on his followers to stay calm and respectful for the inauguration.
Right?
I would say he found Jesus a tad too late.
I just read McConnell will not bring the matter before this session of the Senate
Schumer will lead Democrats in Trump's Senate trial with Vice President Kamala Harris presiding...
No, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial in the Senate.
Guess your neighbors never taught you how to read the Constitution - did they? Read
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 3
The Impeachment Process in a Nutshell
Neither Schumer nor Harris is SCOTUS, so neither of them will preside.
Simple Government 101.
That is fine just as long as Trump get tried by a Democratic Senate this time.
Conviction still requires a 2/3rd's vote regardless of which party is majority in the Senate. And VP Harris only votes if there is a 50/50 tie so that vote would be meaningless in the requirements for conviction as a 51/49 % vote does not convict.
True, his first impeachment was such a farce. No witnesses. No nothing.
I don't go to tRump supporters for any type of education, much less Simple Government 101.
LOL!
We all know the truth doesn't matter to some, eh?
Indeed, We do
[1st, this comment stands. If tessy's comment agreeing with you is a violation, then so is YOUR comment with which she agreed.]
Well it's gonna be an interesting next month or so. Will a Senate trial occur? Opinion seems split by constitutional experts, some say it can happen after he leaves office and others say it cannot. I wager the question will go to SCOTUS to determine.
Then there has been talk of the House holding the article of impeachment for now to allow Biden's administration to get confirmed and the first 100 days business concluded. There has also been talk of the Senate splitting their day, with half day on the impeachment trial and half day on other business. I do know the Senate would have to change their rules on impeachment to do that, the sent rules as I understand them
The piece I don't know if if these rules can be changed by simple majority or if they require the same 2/3'rds vote as conviction?
Anyway I look at it, I still don't believe this impeachment is in the best interests of the country. I would rather have seen him resign with a deal, I think that would have been quieter and easier for the country to move forward. I am concerned this trial will further deepen the divide.
It's going to require the 2/3rd's vote of the members present - which could be good and it could be bad.
It would be hard to imagine any member of the senate not being present , but with recent accusations of congress member being complicent with what happened on the 6th , i expect some censures and expulsion votes for some members of congress, and if they be from those opposed to conviction , well i think one can see. less votes needed to convict.
The senate is in less of a precarious situation than the house , only 1/3rd come up for re election in 2 years, that gives the rest time to get with their states voting base.
The house does not have that luxury , they have about a year and a half before they hit the primary trail for re election as a whole body. in this case , time and distance will help most of the senate members where the house members likely have no chance to help themselves.
McConnel as the head of the party in the legislature after trump leaves is likely going to be walking a razor thin line in a minefield surrounded by eggshells. he may want to get rid of the PITA albatross of trump from around the parties neck , but he will want to keep the base that voted voting for the party, neat trick if he can do it.
I think i am more likely to see joe biden astride a flying unicorn thats farting out rainbow skittles raining from the heavens getting struck by a bolt of lightning.
( for buzz my acronym challenged associate, in case you didnt know , PITA= Pain In The Ass).
LOL. Thanks Mark.
No, you misunderstood my question. I was not asking about the votes required to convict in an impeachment trial. In the rules for the Senate for impeachment, the rules state that the chamber must suspend it's legislative and executive business while the trial is underway. According to that rule, they cannot do half-days to move along Biden's agenda or confirm his nominations while the impeachment trial is running. Schumer cannot do that change on his own, even as majority leader. It requires the Senate change their rules. So the question is basically this.
Can the Senate change their rules for the impeachment trial on a simple majority or does that require the same 2/3'rds vote? From what I read I think a rule change requires a 2/3rds vote unless the Democrats employ the nuclear option on this as well. I really hope they are not that short-sighted as to invoke that as to allow a simple majority to then change the rules going forward. That action, IMO, would greatly damage the Senate going forward and move this country down to the same footing as any banana republic.
But if the Senate does not change their rules then they cannot do any other business and the business of President elect Biden's first 100 days would sit and wait. No confirmations for cabinet nominations or any of the other nominations a President makes for his administration, no movement on coronavirus business or those $2000 checks so many people want, nothing allowed but the business of the impeachment trial.
What do you care anyway snuffy? You think tRump should make a deal and get away with everything he's done including after his 'presidency' with the SDNY. RIDICULOUS! Inciting his mob on the VP plus everyone who was in the Capitol. He and everyone else who wanted to overturn a fair and valid election, have so much blood on their hands, including your 'president' They beat that cop to death and also trampled and seriously injured others. Although if they were in the Capitol and got trampled, too bad, so sad, a domestic terrorist MOB.
With tRump gone, we are no longer on the same footing as a banana republic.
Ridiculous.
No, I felt that Trump resigning immediately would have been in the better interest of the country. As I said before, as Trump considers himself to be such a great deal maker, that congressional leadership, VP Pence and President Elect Biden should have made him a deal where he resigns immediately and once Pence is sworn in as president his first act would be to issue a pardon for Trump and the leadership & Biden would agree not to investigate for federal actions to that point. That would have gotten him out of office immediately. Yes the deal would have gotten him out of the investigations by the SDNY, but not any investigations underway by the State of New York. But I felt that would be a better path for the country overall.
Answer the question if you are willing. If Trump is such a danger according to Pelosi that his impeachment and removal couldn't wait another day then why has she not run the article of impeachment over to the Senate yet? Why is she holding back? Didn't she say that they needed to act with urgency because President Trump represents an imminent threat and the horror of the ongoing assault on our democracy by this President is intensified and so is the immediate need for action? If the need is so immediate than why has she not immediately taken the article of impeachment over to the Senate? if she plans on holding on to it for now to wait for either Schumer to become majority leader or wait for Biden's initial business to be completed then where is the urgency of the threat? The longer she delays the more this looks like partisan theater which further divides the country and does nothing to heal and move forward.
If the urgency was so great then impeachment should immediately move to the Senate. If the entire process is to insure that he never runs for high office again then I think they should use the 14th Amendment. I do believe that Trump betrayed his office with that last rally on Wednesday, but in reviewing the actual text of the speech I can definitely see where it would be extremely difficult to win a civil case against him for it. While impeachment is political rather than civil, IMO it does nothing to attempt to heal the country.
What I had proposed was what I thought would be better for the country. With impeachment the extreme left will call it retribution and the extreme right will call it persecution and the rest of us get torn apart in the middle.
And you completely misunderstood what I said. I believe if the Democrat majority Senate goes down the path to change the requirement for rule change to a simple majority then we are in danger of becoming just like any banana republic. That is because the Senate would then completely move to majority rule. And the next time the balance in the Senate changed the new majority would make their own rules. The US Senate is billed as the most deliberative body in the world but if it changes to majority rule then it can no longer support it's primary duty as a necessary fence to protect the people from their rulers and as a protector of states rights and minority rights. If that goes away then the US becomes a majority rule country.
So you ask why do I care anyway. I care because I am a citizen of this country, a veteran of the US Military and despite all the problems we have I believe this is still the best country in the world to live in and I do want it to heal and get back to it's path.
I'm not wasting my time reading all your justifications of your ridiculous ideas.
You think he and his family should just get away with all their crimes, ridiculous.
I get it.
The 2/3rd's majority of members present is stated in the Constitution. Congress can not change that rule without amending the Constitution.
Obviously you don't get it - you're just blocking it.
Good read Mark.
If you are not going to read what I write, then why did you ask me and I quote
I know it doesn't happen often on this chat board, but isn't the underlying purpose of these to exchange thoughts and ideas and get other perspectives to help broaden our own outlook?
If you don't want to discuss topics why are you even here? Is your only reason for being here to attack people?
The bad thing here though Tess, is that he actually agrees that Trump should've simply resigned. Sometimes reading the details of someone's reply will show that they're in agreement.
MsAubrey, as you know, some folks don't actually believe you need to read what's been said/written to continually argue/comment.
Of course, sometimes that can make the discussion quite interesting, eh?
The "Impeachment Process".
LOL
What does the D.C. stand for in Washington?
Da Capitol.
Yup
And the "beat" goes on.