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GOD's Rules For Virgins

  
By:  JBB  •  Opinions  •  4 months ago  •  119 comments

GOD's Rules For Virgins
"BOTH MUST DIE"




Deuteronomy 22  New International Version











If you see your fellow Israelite’s donkey or ox fallen on the road, do not ignore it. Help the owner get it to its feet.




A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the   Lord   your God detests anyone who does this.

If you come across a bird’s nest beside the road, either in a tree or on the ground, and the mother is sitting on the young or on the eggs, do not take the mother with the young.   You may take the young, but be sure to let the mother go,   so that it may go well with you and you may have a long life.

When you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your house if someone falls from the roof.

Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard;   if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled. [ a ]

10  Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together.

11  Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.

12  Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear.

Marriage Violations


13  If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her   14  and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”   15  then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate   proof that she was a virgin.   16  Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her.   17  Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town,   18  and the elders   shall take the man and punish him.   19  They shall fine him a hundred shekels [ b ]   of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

20  If, however, the charge is true   and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,   21  she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing   in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

22  If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept   with her and the woman must die.   You must purge the evil from Israel.

23  If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,   24  you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25  But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.   26  Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor,   27  for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed,   there was no one to rescue her.

28  If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,   29  he shall pay her father fifty shekels [ c ]   of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

30  A man is not to marry his father’s wife; he must not dishonor his father’s bed. [ d ]



Footnotes

  1. Deuteronomy 22:9   Or   be forfeited to the sanctuary
  2. Deuteronomy 22:19   That is, about 2 1/2 pounds or about 1.2 kilograms
  3. Deuteronomy 22:29   That is, about 1 1/4 pounds or about 575 grams
  4. Deuteronomy 22:30   In Hebrew texts this verse (22:30) is numbered 23:1.






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JBB
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1  author  JBB    4 months ago

original

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1  Krishna  replied to  JBB @1    one week ago

256

Aha-- another false cult!

Don't you know that he is a false god?

What about:

Hadith: Whoever says 'lā ilāha illa Allah (there is no god but Allah)' and disbelieves in everything worshiped besides Allah, his property and blood becomes inviolable, and his reckoning will be with Allah

Exodus 20:2-6   ESV  “I am the  Lord  your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the  Lord  your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

I shall never worship that weirdo! (Although I did used to read MAD magazine).

No-- I only worship the one true God (PBUH)-- TAYLOR SWIFT!

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1    one week ago

No-- I only worship the one true God (PBUH)-- TAYLOR SWIFT!

Taylor Swift is not actually a god-- but she does play one on TV!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    one week ago

organized religion is a parasite on humanity.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.2    one week ago

Lucky for everyone, no one is ever forced to join one here!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    one week ago

I'll agree that the unwanted imposition of religious dogma is the fast track to meet geezus...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    one week ago

Ah, yes, those evil religious people said mean things to you!

Off with their heads!

Me, I just walk away or close the door or hang up the phone.

Never felt the need to get hysterical over a few religious folks, but hey, that's just me.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    one week ago

praise jeebus

lol

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    5 days ago

I question the validity of every virgin giving birth...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.2.5    5 days ago

Does anyone answer?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.6    5 days ago

nobody that matters.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    4 months ago

The Bible is so wise.  Lol, what a hideous joke this god guy is.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    2 days ago

worship him and love one another, or his flock will kill you ...

 
 
 
Outis
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3  Outis    4 months ago

You are "debating" with men who have been dead for millenia.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1  author  JBB  replied to  Outis @3    4 months ago

And yet, how many people living today in the US believe that every phrase in the Bible is the inerrant word of GOD? They aren't dead...

 
 
 
Outis
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3.1.1  Outis  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 months ago

That's true... but it seems to me that when you "confirm God's intentions" as you seem to do here, you contribute to the problem you intend to critique.

Either the Bible is the inerrant word of God, or it is a collection of texts written by men. If you contend that it is the latter, then you cannot use it to define God. 

Most modern Christians understand that the Bible must be read figuratively, in the context of an early Iron Age society.

 
 
 
Outis
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3.1.2  Outis  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 months ago
And yet, how many people living today in the US believe that every phrase in the Bible is the inerrant word of GOD? They aren't dead...

True.

So it seems to me that it would be more productive to debate the living.

I posted an interesting video from Clint Laidlaw ("Clint's Reptiles") this morning. His apparent topic is evolution, but his real topic is discussing difficult subjects. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Outis @3.1.1    4 months ago

Most modern Christians understand that the Bible must be read figuratively, in the context of an early Iron Age society.

God is a figment of more than just the Christian imagination.  Some call it Allah, and in some countries the majority of Muslims are willing to murder you if the design on your clothing looks like it might be a verse of the Koran (without even verifying this ridiculous offense).

Religion needs to go the way of the Dodo.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 months ago
And yet, how many people living today in the US believe that every phrase in the Bible is the inerrant word of GOD?

But only the cherry picked phrases.  Most of the people that claim the bible is god's word, have never actually read it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.4    one week ago
Most of the people that claim the bible is god's word, have never actually read it.

Most of the people that fail to understand the narrative and difference between the sections of the Old Testament and the New, have never actually read it.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Outis @3.1.1    one week ago
Most modern Christians understand that the Bible must be read figuratively, in the context of an early Iron Age society.

A more accurate statement would be that the Bible often, but not always, uses figures of speech to illustrate non-figurative concepts within an early Iron Age society. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.7  Krishna  replied to  JBB @3.1    one week ago
And yet, how many people living today in the US believe that every phrase in the Bible is the inerrant word of GOD?

How many? 

Possibly the same number of people that believe that every phrase that  His Holiness Donald J. Trump utters is the inerrant word of GOD!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.7    one week ago
Possibly the same number of people that believe that every phrase that  His Holiness Donald J. Trump utters is the inerrant word of GOD!

Fortunately a higher authority-- The Supremes (PBUH)-- have cleared up the confusion-- only the word The Donald has uttered in his official capacity is the actual  "WOG" ("Word of God")-- it is ain't uttered in his official capacity-- it ain't the real thing and can be ignored! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2  Krishna  replied to  Outis @3    one week ago
You are "debating" with men who have been dead for millenia.

Nothing wrong with that.

The problem though is this  They are "debating" with men who have been dead for millenia-- and they're losing the debate!. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.3  Krishna  replied to  Outis @3    4 days ago
You are "debating" with men who have been dead for millenia.

Its one thing to talk to men who have been dead for milennia.

Its when you start hearing them answer back that you gotta be worried!

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    4 months ago

I don't pay any attention to those strange rules

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1  devangelical  replied to  charger 383 @4    one week ago

thou shalt not put regular unleaded into a hemi...

 
 
 
charger 383
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4.1.1  charger 383  replied to  devangelical @4.1    one week ago

Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration would say That would be a sin

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  charger 383 @4.1.1    one week ago

 everybody will think you're running a 3/4 cam...

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    6 days ago

... and your rear tires will last longer.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5  TᵢG    4 months ago
If, however, the charge is true   and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,   21  she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing   in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

A fine reason for why people should not take the Bible to be divine or inerrant.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7  Nerm_L    one week ago

Did you know that Protestant Bibles do not contain Deuteronomy?  

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @7    one week ago

because revision of religious dogma is their sole privilege ...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @7.1    one week ago

Every Bible I read while attending Protestant churches contains Deuteronomy.  Some cafeteria Christians would like to ignore parts of it, but it's there.  They sure do love Leviticus, though.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @7.1    one week ago
because revision of religious dogma is their sole privilege ...

Whose privilege?  Protestant or Catholic?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.2    one week ago

whites

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.3    one week ago
whites

Jews are 'whites' are they?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.1    one week ago
Every Bible I read while attending Protestant churches contain Deuteronomy.  Some cafeteria Christians would like to ignore parts of it, but it's there.  They sure do love Leviticus, though.

The Temple of the Old Covenant is not the same as the Church of the New Covenant.  How can someone that rejects the New Covenant of Christ claim they are preaching gospel?  The gospels are in the New Testament; not the Old Testament.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.4    one week ago
Jews are 'whites' are they?

Depends upon what your political bias is... jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.5    one week ago

That's your interpretation.  You do not speak for all Protestant denominations.  You do not dictate doctrine for all Protestant denominations.  You do not choose which scripture is relevant for all Protestant denominations.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.9  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.8    one week ago
That's your interpretation.  You do not speak for all Protestant denominations.  You do not dictate doctrine for all Protestant denominations.  You do not choose which scripture is relevant for all Protestant denominations.

Martin Luther is the origin of Protestantism.  Luther's beliefs really has influenced all Protestant denominations.  Martin Luther placed much, much greater emphasis on the writings of Paul the Apostle (the Book of Romans in the New Testament).

The word 'Deuteronomy' means 'second law' which also means an interpretation of God's law.  Deuteronomy established the Temple in Jerusalem and laid out Temple law.  Temple laws govern the covenant between God and Israel.  

The fulfillment of messianic prophecy called for destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.  Temple law cannot continue without the Temple.  Christ, the messiah, established a New Covenant with Jews and gentiles and created a new church that supplanted the Temple.  Deuteronomy is an interesting historical document for Protestants.  But attempting to enforce Temple law requires rejecting fulfillment of messianic prophecy.  Those who preach Deuteronomy are rejecting Christ.  And they'll be condemned for it just as Moses was condemned for misusing the authority of God.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.5    one week ago
The Protestant Bible, used by Protestant churches, differs from the Catholic Bible in that it excludes seven books known as the Deuterocanonical or Apocrypha.  These books are Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and 1 and 2 Maccabees .

The origins of the Protestant Bible can be traced back to the 16th century during the time of the Protestant Reformation. Reformers, led by Martin Luther, sought to return to the original texts of the Bible and rejected certain books that were not found in the Hebrew canon of Scripture.

Martin Luther, a key figure in the Reformation, believed that these seven books had less historical accuracy and theological value than the rest of the Scripture. He argued that they were not included in the Jewish Canon and were therefore not divinely inspired. Luther's decision to remove these books from the Old Testament was based on his concern for maintaining the purity of the biblical canon.

.

The Deuterocanonical books do not include the book labeled 'Deuteronomy'.   That book is part of the Protestant bible.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.11  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.10    one week ago
The Deuterocanonical books do not include the book labeled 'Deuteronomy'.   That book is part of the Protestant bible.

The purpose of Old Testament texts is to drive home the message that messianic prophecy has been fulfilled.  The gospels of the New Testament is the Protestant Bible.  Attempting to enforce the strictures and requirements of the Old Testament requires rejecting the fulfillment of messianic prophecy. 

Protestants reject the idea that Pope's law derives its authority from Temple law established by the sermons of Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy.  Protestants reject the notion that a Pope is a New Testament Moses.  Keep in mind that Moses was condemned by God for misusing the authority of God.  

A seemingly obvious Christianophobic tenet is that Christ, Himself, clearly stated He did not come to replace God's law.  And that's true.  But Christ did dramatically change how God's law is enforced.  But don't let that Christianophobic squirrel distract attention away from the fact that fulfillment of messianic prophecy called for destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem would put an end to Temple law in the Book of Deuteronomy.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.11    one week ago

None of that changes the fact that the book of Deuteronomy is part of the Protestant Bible.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.13  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.12    one week ago

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Texan1211
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7.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.13    one week ago

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Tessylo
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7.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.13    one week ago

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Nerm_L
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7.1.16  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.14    one week ago
I enjoyed your comment.

Might have to steal it from time to time!

With your permission, of course!

Go ahead, I don't really care.

You know, my original comment was intentionally imprecise to spur discussion of what was posted as a blog. I said the Protestant Bible does not contain Deuteronomy. I DID NOT say the Protestant Bible doesn't contain the Book of Deuteronomy. No matter how many times you read @7 it is never going to say Protestant Bibles do not contain the Book of Deuteronomy.

The theological differences between Catholics and Protestants are canonical. And Protestant Bibles do not include the canon of Deuteronomy. [deleted][]

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7.1.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @7.1.6    one week ago

Jews come in all colours, sort of like Jew-Jubes. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.16    one week ago

When you're right, you're right.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.19  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.1    one week ago
cafeteria Christians

OMG-- they are the worst!

(They actually eat leavened bread in their cafeterias-- in defiance of the word of the Lord!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.20  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.4    one week ago
Jews are 'whites' are they?

Some are-- some aren't.

(Have you ever known many Jews?)

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.21  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.8    one week ago
That's your interpretation.

Consider this possibility-- mjaybe he is smarter (more intelligent) than the rest of us?

I dunno if he is or not.

Maybe we should ask him-- he seems like an honest person?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.22  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @7.1.20    one week ago
(Have you ever known many Jews?)

A few.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7    one week ago

Wrong!   

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.2    one week ago

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JBB
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7.3  author  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @7    one week ago

The Jefferson Bible edited by Thomas Jefferson himself excludes many references to magic and has none of the Saul / Paul post-Gospel Roman evangelical add on "Paulist" letters...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.3    one week ago
The Jefferson Bible edited by Thomas Jefferson himself excludes many references to magic and has none of the Saul / Paul post-Gospel Roman evangelical add on letters...

Was Thomas Jefferson a Christian?  I thought Jefferson had rejected Judeo/Christian theology based upon divine revelation.  (Although the explanation that reason discovers the makeup and function of nature, leading to an understanding of a deity, really doesn't seem to avoid the revelatory aspect of such discovery.)

 
 
 
JBB
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7.3.2  author  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.1    one week ago

Jefferson was known as a "Man of the Enlightenment". He believed Christ was a historical figure and a mortal philpsopher. He rejected belief in magic and all other such mythical nonsense. He particularly disliked the kind of loopy Paulist mumbo jumbo supposed Christians spout to us here, in abundance!

Jefferson believed Saul / Paul of Tarsus was a false apostle post-Gospel Roman evangelist who had no value outside a historical cintext.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.3.2    one week ago
Jefferson was known as a "Man of the Enlightenment".

Correct.

He believed Christ was a historical figure and a mortal philpsopher. He rejected belief in magic and all other such mythical nonsense.

That seems to be an accurate summation.

He particularly disliked the kind of loopy Paulist mumbo jumbo your comments provide for us, [indeed]

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JBB
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7.3.4  author  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.3    one week ago

You are right. No need to be so personal. That being said, I find you comments full of contradictions and mumbo jumbo...

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3.5  Krishna  replied to  JBB @7.3    one week ago
The Jefferson Bible edited by Thomas Jefferson himself excludes many references to magic

But the magic parts are the best parts-- and the statistics prove it! For example:

Having sold more than 600 million copies worldwide, Harry Potter by J. K. Rowling is the best-selling book series in history.

In history-- and that probably pre-dates the reigns of The Pharoahs!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.6  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.3.4    one week ago
You are right. No need to be so personal. That being said, I find you comments full of contradictions and mumbo jumbo...

Proof.

 
 
 
JBB
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7.3.7  author  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.6    one week ago

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3.8  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.3.5    one week ago
Having sold more than 600 million copies worldwide,

After all--- FIFTY MILLION FRENCHMAN CAN'T BE WRONG!

1927 Sophie Tucker / Billy Rose

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.3.9  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.3.7    one week ago

Wasn't a question.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3.10  Krishna  replied to  JBB @7.3.4    4 days ago
mumbo jumbo...

What's wrong with Mumbo-Jumbo?

(Is it any more ridiculous than most of what s said in political arguments on social media?)

Because that's really mumbo Jumbo!

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3.11  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.3.10    4 days ago
What's wrong with Mumbo-Jumbo?

(Is it any more ridiculous than most of what s said in political arguments on social media?)

Because that's really mumbo Jumbo!

Don't belioeve me-- ask The Pope:

Vatican Tightens Rules On Supernatural Phenomena

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.3.12  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @7.3.1    16 hours ago

based upon the constitution, I doubt if any of the founders were thumpers...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.3.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @7.3.12    16 hours ago

Exactly, it’s well known that they were all atheists.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.3.14  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.3.13    13 hours ago

that's exactly what they would be called by thumper scum now, if they were still living...

 
 
 
Krishna
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8  Krishna    one week ago

Recently there was a really interesting post here:

The Birchbark Canoe, A Sustainable Design Classic

It was mentioned that the Ojibwe were inventors of this type of canoe.

I was wondering about the Ojibwe-- are they a race-- or a religion?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @8    one week ago

They are a tribe.

 
 
 
Krishna
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8.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1    one week ago
They are a tribe. 

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Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @8.1.1    one week ago

800

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9  Drinker of the Wry    one week ago

Religious seeds are among the most amusing here. Comments are frequently from folks that have never read it regardless of their position. Many nonbelievers here think can’t keep that private but like to taunt believers [] And believers push back like they can convince the disdainful.

For the record, I’ve been agnostic since I was a teenager. I’ve never felt the need to make fun of true believers of any faith.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    one week ago
I’ve never felt the need to make fun of true believers of any faith.

That shows more maturity than frequently exhibited here

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Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    one week ago

Depending on what they believe, there are some I might simply have no respect for - for example, flat Earthers 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.1    one week ago

pretty sure we were just talking about religious people, but okay.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.2    one week ago

I didn't think it was limited to religion.  One could be a "true believer" in anything, could they not?  

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.1    4 days ago
Depending on what they believe, there are some I might simply have no respect for - for example, flat Earthers 

But is that actually a religion?
 Flat Earthers don't actually worship a Diety.

They are just a group of people who perform a useful service to humankind (by warning you againgst traveling too far out on the ocean because if you do you might reach the edge of the Earth & fall off!)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @9.1.4    4 days ago

I just checked what the meaning of "true believer" was, and here is what I got:

true believer (noun) a person who has been thoroughly convinced of  something. a fanaticespecially a religious or political one.

The expression is NOT limited to religion, and the definition does not exclude meanings other than religion or politics, so I'm justified in my interpretation.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Krishna @9.1.4    16 hours ago
Flat Earthers don't actually worship a Diety.

We do and his/her name is Frisbee!

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.2  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    one week ago
 I’ve never felt the need to make fun of true believers of any faith.

Then you will be mercillessly mocked on social media . . . 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Krishna @9.2    one week ago

You got that right.

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.3  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    one week ago
I’ve never felt the need to make fun of true believers of any faith.

If that be the case-- my guess is that at times it must be annoying at times to read the stupid (and ignorant) comments that are so common on many social media sites!

 
 
 
JBB
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9.3.1  author  JBB  replied to  Krishna @9.3    one week ago

Nonbelievers aren't condescended to, too?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @9.3.1    one week ago

Not nearly to the same degree here.

 
 
 
JBB
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9.3.3  author  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.3.2    one week ago

They are but are less likely to play victim!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.3.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @9.3.3    one week ago

Are you victomsplaining?

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.4  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    one week ago
Religious seeds are among the most amusing here.  Comments are frequently from folks that have never read it regardless of their position.  Many nonbelievers here think can’t keep that private but like to taunt believers (although they won’t be ticketed).  And believers push back like they can convince the disdainful.

I have always found religious "true believers" to be obnoxious --- the ones that constantly & obsessively  go around trying to convince everyone that they're smarter than everyone else-- and that God exists (their version of "God" of course).

And likewise-- their "mirror image"-- the Evangelical Atheists to be equally obnoxious-- the ones that constantly & obsessively go around trying to convince everyone that they're smarter than everyone else-- and that there definitely is no God!

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. 

Constantly condescending, constantly proselytizing-- both the fanatical "believers" and the fanatical  "non-believers--- no difference 'tween the two! 

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Split Personality
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9.4.1  Split Personality  replied to  Krishna @9.4    one week ago

Sounds like the rest of social media,  especially politics.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Krishna @9.4    one week ago
I have always found religious "true believers" to be obnoxious --- the ones that constantly & obsessively  go around trying to convince everyone that they're smarter than everyone else-- and that God exists (their version of "God" of course).

I use a different definition, in the Christian context it is someone who lives blamelessly, speaks truthfully, respects others, and keeps their promises even when difficult.

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.4.3  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.4.2    4 days ago
I use a different definition, in the Christian context it is someone who lives blamelessly, speaks truthfully, respects others, and keeps their promises even when difficult.

I agree. The confusion may come from my use of the expression "true believers"(which is used in a way that defines that type of "True Believer" in a negative way. I shouldn't have used that expression because most people today aren't familiar with it.

It was a very influential book from long ago-- very well known at the time:

256

Subtitled "Thoughts On The Nature of Mass Movements.

“Its theme is political fanaticism, with which it deals severely and brilliantly.” — New Yorker

(Amazon says it was from 2010-- I had thought it was much earlier)>

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.4.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Krishna @9.4.3    4 days ago

That must be a reprint as I remember reading the longshoremen philosopher in collage.  I think that he died in the 80’s.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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10  Hal A. Lujah    one week ago

12  Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear.

God is so gay.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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10.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @10    one week ago

Was the Hebrew word for prayer shawl wrongly interpreted to say cloak?

800

 
 
 
Krishna
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10.2  Krishna  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @10    one week ago
God is so gay.

She is indeed!

 
 
 
Krishna
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10.4  Krishna  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @10    4 days ago
God is so gay.

True.

She's defiinitely a lesbian.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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10.4.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Krishna @10.4    16 hours ago

Lesbians are a little butch for tassels.  Perhaps god is more a fan of Ru Paul’s Drag Race.  Two snaps up!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11  MrFrost    one week ago

So many religions, so many bibles, all the same bullshit. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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11.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @11    one week ago
So many religions, so many bibles,

So much supply and demand.

 
 
 
Krishna
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11.2  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @11    one week ago
So many religions, so many bibles, all the same bullshit. 

So do you actually believe that say, Catholicism is identical to Buddhism?

The beliefs (and practices) of the Jains are identical to those if Islam?

 
 
 
Krishna
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11.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @11.2    one week ago
So many religions, so many bibles, all the same bullshit. 
So do you actually believe that say, Catholicism is identical to Buddhism? The beliefs (and practices) of the Jains are identical to those if Islam?

Actually, now that I think about it-- I imagine that you do.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png )

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Krishna @11.2    one week ago
So do you actually believe that say, Catholicism is identical to Buddhism?

No, I am saying all organized religions are BS. It's all a system of control. "Do what we say, go to heaven; don't do what we say, you go to hell." It's all control, nothing more. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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11.2.3  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @11.2.2    one week ago
No, I am saying all organized religions are BS. It's all a system of control.

I'm surprised that you don't consider the Quakers to be an organized religion. jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
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11.2.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @11.2.3    one week ago
No, I am saying all organized religions are BS. It's all a system of control.
I'm surprised that you don't consider the Quakers to be an organized religion.

Just kiddin'-- I'm actually not surprised at all!

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Krishna
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11.2.5  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @11.2.2    one week ago
No, I am saying all organized religions are BS. It's all a system of control. "Do what we say, go to heaven; don't do what we say, you go to hell." It's all control, nothing more

By any chance have your ever heard of Zen Bhuddism? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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11.2.6  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @11.2.2    4 days ago

... and don't forget to give up some cash on your way out.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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11.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @11.2.6    4 days ago

If they were progressive they would support online money transfer services.

 
 
 
devangelical
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11.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.2.7    3 days ago

... you'd think. to skim is to sin...

 
 
 
Gsquared
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12  Gsquared    one week ago

Are they going to require that all of this gets posted in classrooms?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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12.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gsquared @12    one week ago

Well, you know how it is.  Kindergarten kids have to learn to not commit adultery.

 
 
 
Krishna
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12.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1    one week ago
Well, you know how it is.  Kindergarten kids have to learn to not commit adultery.

Or that they shall not suffer a witch to live?

(It some kids naturally think witches are cool-- and dress up like them on Halloween-- we really should teach them the error of their ways!!!!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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12.2  Krishna  replied to  Gsquared @12    one week ago
Are they going to require that all of this gets posted in classrooms?

Which "they" are you referring to?

The believer's bullshit-- or the Atheist's bullshit?

(Personally I find them to be be equally obnoxious).

 
 
 
Krishna
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13  Krishna    one week ago

 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her       14   and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”       15   then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate   proof that she was a virgin

It's those damn Latex condoms! jrSmiley_5_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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13.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @13    one week ago

There days nobody will ever know anyway - hymens can be reconstituted surgically.  So, big deal, eh?

 
 
 
Krishna
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13.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @13    one week ago
It's those damn Latex condoms!

Latex Condoms?  WTF???