Trump under fire for QAnon display at Ohio rally: 'He has gone completely insane'

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  141 comments

By:   Kurt Eichenwald (YahooNews)

Trump under fire for QAnon display at Ohio rally: 'He has gone completely insane'
Trump has always been mentally ill, but this is a whole new level

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Donald Trump has come under fire for his descent into the QAnon conspiracy theory movement during his Youngstown, Ohio rally in support of Republican Senate candidate JD Vance.

"This is the week when Trump became Qanon. This isn't a political statement; it just is, however disturbing. Week began with images of Trump on Truth Social wearing a Q pin and promoting their slogans; it ends with Q music and the Q 'one' sign by crowd at his rally," CNN analyst Juliette Kayyem tweeted on Saturday.

Author Kurt Eichenwald added that "this week, Trump posted QAnon memes, played QAnon theme music at his rally, and stood by as the crowd raises their fingers in the QAnon salute. This is the GOP's supposed leader. Every Republican needs to be asked about it - and don't let them walk away. 'Do you support QAnon?'"

"He has gone full QAnon, and that cult knows it. Trump has always been mentally ill, but this is a whole new level. He has gone completely insane," he tweeted.

The author went on to lay out a lot of the bizarre theories within the movement.

"With Trump now leaning so hard into QAnon, anyone who interviews him *must* ask 'Do you believe there is a global cabal of elites who are kidnapping children, taking them to underground tunnels, murdering them, eating them and drinking their adrenochrome to stay young forever? Have you secretly been president since 2020, while Biden has actually been a clone? Were Hillary Clinton and Anthony Fauci taken to gitmo and executed? And if you don't believe these things, why are you posting QAnon memes, playing their music, and encouraging their salutes?'" he tweeted.


"The 'storm is coming' is shorthand for something really dark that he's not saying out loud," McIntosh said. "This is a way for him to point to violence without explicitly calling for it. He is the prince of plausible deniability." https://t.co/tGQZeiLC7V
— Robert Costa (@costareports) September 18, 2022

"After last night's rally, there's no denying that Trump's fully embraced the QAnon conspiracy theory. Republicans in Congress will still try, claiming they haven't seen the video. If you're interviewing them, SHOW IT TO THEM, then ask again whether they support Trump and QANON," Citizens for Ethics wrote.

"New analysis shows Donald Trump is overtly encouraging his base to embrace QAnon and related violence; experts say that's encouraging actual violence, including a Michigan man who shot his family and a Pennsylvania man who brandished a gun at Dairy Queen," gun control advocate Shannon Watts write, citing a report from the Associated Press.

"Donald Trump is openly promoting a dangerous conspiracy about the 'storm,' where he'll regain power & his political enemies will be tried & potentially executed on live TV. This is incredibly dangerous & irresponsible -- just like Trump always has been," Illinois US House candidate Jesus Garcia tweeted.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Poor America.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

yea, but what could go wrong ?

ANY blood shed or lives lost, clearly rests on Trump, and the disgusting GOP that never calls him out and still supports him or remains silent, because stupid ignorant voters are placed Above our Countries best interests and unity, as any can clearly see. The dumbing down has reached the point, the point where many can no longer actually be reached, but hey, they remained in power against the majority and continue to promote Trumps giant election LIE, but hey, what a guy, and group. Trump and the party pathetically pandering to his Piece of Shitness, have proven yet again, how mental unfitness can never be dismissed till after class has ended, but obviously, they Never had Class to begin with....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

I'm wondering why there are no comments related to the speech provided in this piece.

"The author went on to lay out a lot of the bizarre theories within the movement.

"With Trump now leaning so hard into QAnon, anyone who interviews him *must* ask 'Do you believe there is a global cabal of elites who are kidnapping children, taking them to underground tunnels, murdering them, eating them and drinking their adrenochrome to stay young forever? Have you secretly been president since 2020, while Biden has actually been a clone? Were Hillary Clinton and Anthony Fauci taken to gitmo and executed? And if you don't believe these things, why are you posting QAnon memes, playing their music, and encouraging their salutes?'" he tweeted."


So what did Trump say that endorses any of the above?

There is not one quote in the article pertaining to that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    one week ago

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Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

Even Hitler and the Nazis weren't this insane

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    2 weeks ago

Trump did not brutally murder 6+ million people. Hitler and the Nazis did. Food for thought when making comparisons.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 weeks ago

No, he didn't. But when the Nazis were just starting out they weren't murdering people over insane shit...that came later

I'm not defending Hitler and the Nazis lest you think I am

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 weeks ago
Trump did not brutally murder 6+ million people. Hitler and the Nazis did. Food for thought when making comparisons.

It seems rather obvious that sanity and reason go out the window for Trump-haters when it comes to anything Trump-related.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 weeks ago

We have put up with this utter nonsense for 7 years now. You and the rest of the conservatives have been told repeatedly that it would get worse and it has gotten progressively worse. What are you going to do about it? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

What are you going to do about it? 

Why do you think that Ed can change this?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

I in no way thought you were defending Hitler any more than I was defending Trump.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.7  Freewill  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
Even Hitler and the Nazis weren't this insane
But when the Nazis were just starting out they weren't murdering people over insane shit...that came later

Sure they were.  That started well before WWII, although initially it began with marginalizing a whole segment of German society and methodically fomenting hatred of that segment.  See timeline HERE .  Hitler immediately began marginalizing Jews in 1933 when he was appointed Chancellor, and started murdering his political opposition after his first year as Chancellor in 1934.

I'm not defending Hitler and the Nazis lest you think I am.

Certainly not!  And neither am I supporting Trump when I say that Trump did nothing of the sort of things that Hitler did in his first 4 years of power, nor did he gain power in the way that Hitler did, nor did he abolish the office of President and declare himself "Fuhrer" as Hitler did in 1934 (although some might claim he may have wanted to).  Hitler and the Nazis were FAR more insane in my opinion, well beyond any alleged support of a crazy QAnon conspiracy.  So I tend to agree with Ed on this often used "Godwin's Law" type comparison.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.8  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.7    2 weeks ago
initially it began with marginalizing a whole segment of German society and methodically fomenting hatred of that segment.

What in the world do you think donald and his supporters do....seriously they marginalize a whole segment of society.

I can see exactly where she is coming from. Some just want to act like donald and his rhetoric are nothing but harmless words.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @2.1.8    2 weeks ago
Some just want to act like donald and his rhetoric are nothing but harmless words.

Most. And THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Trump will take it as far as he can, as he has demonstrably displayed for his entire aDoltHOOD. A Cult leader is NOT what this country needs, and it has one heading half of our two party system, and this IS NOT GOOD !

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.10  Ender  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

Seriously he has millions of people that think elections are rigged, millions of people now think the FBI is a crooked organization out to get all conservatives, etc.

Hell we still have people that think Jan 6 were people out for a leisurely tour.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.11  Freewill  replied to  Ender @2.1.8    2 weeks ago
What in the world do you think donald and his supporters do....seriously they marginalize a whole segment of society.

His political rhetoric is off-putting and certainly a reason to despise him or not to support him. Same with some of his supporters, certainly those from the far right extremes.  He tends to marginalize anyone who is not him or an ass-kissing supporter, I'll grant you that.   That is why I never did and would never support him.

But such political rhetoric from him is much closer to Hillary calling people "deplorables" or others calling people fascists or even "semi-fascists' than it is to what Hitler actually did when I say he marginalized a whole segment of the society.  Read the chronology of what Hitler did in 1933 immediately after coming to power and for the next 3 years , and you tell me if Trump did anything close to that:

1933

  • January 30: Adolf Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany
  • March 22: Dachau concentration camp opens
  • April 1: Boycott of Jewish shops and businesses
  • April 7: Laws for Re-establishment of the Civil Service barred Jews from holding civil service, university, and state positions
  • May 10: Public burnings of books written by Jews, political dissidents, and others not approved by the state
  • July 14: Law stripping East European Jewish immigrants of German citizenship

1934

  • June 30-July 2 : In the “Röhm Affair,” also known as “Night of the Long Knives,” Hitler orders the purge of the top leadership of the Nazi Party paramilitary formation, the SA (Sturmabteilungen; Assault Detachments). Pressured by German army commanders, whose support Hitler needed to become President of Germany upon Hindenburg’s impending death, Hitler used the SS to murder SA Chief of Staff Ernst Röhm and his top commanders.
  • August 2 : German President von Hindenburg dies. With the support of the German armed forces, Hitler becomes President of Germany.
  • August 19 : Hitler abolishes the office of President and declares himself Führer of the German Reich and People, in addition to his position as Chancellor. In this capacity as Führer, Hitler’s decisions are not bound by the laws of the state. Hitler now becomes the absolute dictator of Germany; there are no further legal or constitutional limits to his authority.
  • November-December:  SS chief Himmler consolidates control over and de facto unifies the German state political police forces into the Gestapo office in Berlin under the authority of his deputy, Reinhard Heydrich.
  • December 10 : SS chief Himmler creates the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps under the leadership of SS General Theodor Eicke. This move formalizes the SS takeover and centralization of the concentration camp system that had taken place in July 1934.

1935

  • September 15:   “Nuremberg Laws”: Anti-Jewish racial laws enacted; Jews no longer considered German citizens; Jews could not marry Aryans, nor could they fly the German flag
  • November 15:   Germany defines a “Jew”: Anyone with three Jewish grandparents; someone with two Jewish grandparents who identifies as a Jew

What did Trump say or do that comes anywhere close to that type of marginalization?

I can see exactly where she is coming from

So can I, but I can also see the difference between words and action, a partisan self-absorbed political cartoon who says hurtful things and an actual homicidal maniac who took hatred and marginalization to a whole new and murderous level.  Having said that, should Trump be re-elected?  FUCK NO!  Not because I'm afraid he is Hitler, but because he is a fucking narcissistic moron who doesn't have the intelligence nor the temperament to be POTUS.  

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.12  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

Come on. You are acting like just because donald did not murder anyone any and all comparison is null.

We have seen his speeches where he got the people on his side, even if it was things that they normally wouldn't do.

He has a following from his speeches and rhetoric, same as someone else.

I could break down a different scenario if I only looked at one aspect.

Hell he even had a group that was chanting Jews will not replace us. Has people spouting replacement theory, etc.

All you are doing is saying, oh gee, donald isn't that bad....

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.13  Freewill  replied to  Ender @2.1.12    2 weeks ago
All you are doing is saying, oh gee, donald isn't that bad....

No, he's definitely that bad and should never have been, nor should he ever be re-elected.  But he didn't do what Hitler did, in the span of time he was in power and that is indisputable.  He was not THAT insane, hence my response to TG, who I respect very much.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.14  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

Point being I can see where she is coming from. donald got the people on his side through his speeches and rhetoric just like hitler did. 

That is how he came to power, with his speeches and campaign rhetoric and getting the people to feel they are being wronged and only he can right it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

The Nazi party dates back to 1921. So both you and Trout could be right under different parameters. There were many years that went by before the Nazis started murdering people in a methodical way, although under Hitler they were always involved in street violence and intimidation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

Donald Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. FULL STOP.  This thing goes far beyond him just being a narcissistic moron. He acted on it. 

I'm starting to wonder if people are paying any attention to the Jan 6 hearings , which have shown all this beyond a shadow of a doubt.  

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.17  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.16    2 weeks ago

I turned on fox news for a second just to see what the five were saying. Can't stand that gutfeld, or whatever, he is a jackass.

His spiel that I listened to for about a minute was about how dare Biden and be so divisive and hate half the country.

That is the exact rhetoric I am talking about from donald and his supporters.

Everyone is against them and they all have to stand up and fight back...

 
 
 
squiggy
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2.1.18  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Here's Biden's position as of today -

“Look, my intention, as I said to begin with, is that I would run again,” he said. “But it’s just an intention. But is it a firm decision that I run again? That remains to be seen.”

I don't want to see him go to work tomorrow, much less run again. By openly declaring an anti-Trump vote now, I'm encouraging Biden and I don't even want to give that appearance. What any republimagaturd does about Trump will happen when it happens. Trump seems to be trying to get not-elected this time harder than he did in '16.

Cue Bernie Sanders for his perpetual fundraiser.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.19  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.16    2 weeks ago
Donald Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. FULL STOP.  This thing goes far beyond him just being a narcissistic moron. He acted on it. 

Fair enough, although he did not have his "SS" murder his political opponents in order to make sure he was re-elected, nor did he abolish the office of the Presidency to make himself Fuhrer with powers outside the laws of the constitutional republic.  Or are you suggesting that his asinine rhetoric and ridiculous appeals to various swing states to recast their electoral votes, while inappropriate and could certainly be viewed as an attempt to "steal the election", are equivalent to actually stealing the election by force in the manner of one Adolph Hitler?

Look, we agree that Trump is a bad dude who did some horrendous shit unbecoming of a POTUS (possibly even illegal if the courts so find).  But it is not on the level of what Hitler did to his country and 6 million + of its citizens, so why suggest that it is?  I would think that to be offensive to the families of the millions killed by the Nazi regime under Hitler. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @2.1.19    2 weeks ago

Hitler was in German politics for 20 years before the genocide of six million Jews was ordered. It is not necessarily as clear cut as saying Trump is not like Hitler because he hasnt ordered or committed genocide. 

If you just look at the Jan 6th riot that Trump incited , and he did incite it, that is Nazi and Hitler like itself. That is something Hitler would have done , at a time when something like that might have helped him gain power. In the later years of the Third Reich he had power and no longer needed to apply domestic terrorism in Germany to get it. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.21  Thomas  replied to  Ender @2.1.14    2 weeks ago

Well, I can see where both of you are coming from.  

Ender can see the the path that we could go down, given the right conditions, and Freewill can correctly state that DJT isn't as bad as Hitler was once he had a loyal following.

It is a difference of degree and timing. 

Trump did not yet have a large enough following to make the moves necessary to consolidate power.

  • He tried to ban Muslims from the country. 
  • He demonized everyone who came over the southern border as being and having nefarious criminal intent. Unless they were rich and supported him...
  • He was going to "Lock Her Up! "
  • He called and calls reputable, fact based reporting "fake news" and introduced the nation to the concept of "alternate facts"
  • He began is while in office and is continuing to this day to call into question the workings of most all governmental agencies and their functions. 
  • He promoted the idea of a "deep state" that was out to get him (and only he could stop it).
  • He extolls the virtues of anyone who follows his "belief" that the election was stolen from him by the deep state, Democrats, etc.
  • He perpetrated and perpetuates the above lie with made up,  faerie dust theories that hold no truth. 

I could go on, but all of these actions are some of the tells on autocrats, cult leaders, dictators and fascists. I believe that the only thing holding him back from the atrocities that Freewill has mentioned was societal inertia.  If he thought that he could have he would have tried.

Now, after the society has had the time to mull over the idea, a great deal of people are OK with settling political differences with weapons. A good portion of the societal inertia from 2 to 6 years ago has evolved into acceptance of him as the political savior who will wrest the power from the infidel, the usurper, and rule by divine right.

This is what he is laying the groundwork for. All across the country people who believe (or purport to) his lies are in races for positions that will carry out the important task of overseeing elections, maintaining voter registries, counting the votes. I have to wonder if the constitution means the same thing to them as to us.  I certainly hope so. 

January 6th was a first try at usurping power undemocratically. Some say that was it and never again. I say we had better maintain vigilance, speak with one voice and make damn sure that he cannot rule a party our country ever again. 

And as far as I am concerned, all of those in positions of power who, by action or inaction, aided and abetted DJT can take a hike, too. 

You know, to paraphrase the great orange hope:  Never, ever forget. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.22  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @2.1.12    2 weeks ago
"Hell he even had a group that was chanting Jews will not replace us. Has people spouting replacement theory, etc".

No, he didn't

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.23  Freewill  replied to  Thomas @2.1.21    2 weeks ago
Ender can see the the path that we could go down, given the right conditions...

And that is the key isn't it?  Such conditions do not and cannot exist in the United States. The Constitution cannot be abolished by decree or even be replaced by party rule (although the extremes of both parties these days seem to think it should be), and not even Trump can replace the office of the presidency with that of an absolute dictator/ruler, particularly one fueled by murderous bigotry and genocide.  To suggest otherwise is to ignore history and all the progress this country has made to defend the constitution and the rights of all its citizens, and its leadership position in the free world. 

I believe that the only thing holding him back from the atrocities that Freewill has mentioned was societal inertia.  If he thought that he could have he would have tried.

IMHO suggesting that Trump might want to go down the path that Hitler went is pure speculation.  He had his chance as leader of the free world, but he didn't do, nor did he indicate that he wanted to do, anything like what Hitler did quickly after he became Chancellor.  And the reality is, he couldn't even if he had wanted to.   

There was no president Paul Von Hindenburg handing Trump the Chancellorship as he did Hitler in January 1933. Nor could there be following an election in the U.S. anything like the "Enabling Bill" such as there was in March 1933 passed by the Reichstag by combining the votes of three separate parties that gave Hitler as Chancellor dictatorial power above and outside the laws of the republican constitution, outside the Reichstag, and even the presidency (Hindenburg before he died).  Less than 3 months later all non-Nazi parties, organizations and labor unions ceased to exist.   

Hitler then proceeded to murder his only remaining opposition (in his own party) prior to the death of Hindenburg in August 1934, securing his succession as president with a plebiscite vote on Aug 19, 1934 fueled mostly by SS intimidation, an office he quickly abolished naming himself "Fuhrer" (absolute ruler of Germany and its armed forces).  Despite Trump's lies and efforts to maintain the illusion of his "winning" ego, none of the real conditions that allowed Hitler to advance his "Mein Kampf" visions could or will happen here despite what comes out of Trump's uneducated narcissistic pie hole. 

The fear isn't that Trump, if re-elected, could do what Hitler did, but rather that he could continue to embarrass this country, continue to sully the office of the presidency with his lies and self-serving rhetoric, and continue to contribute to the irrational political polarization that has crippled our political discourse.  My fear, which I'm certain will not be shared by others here, is that he will continue to drag the Republican party into the far right-wing quagmire and even further away from ever presenting a rational and reasonable counter to some of the more extreme forces in the Democratic party.  The potential for that to end in one party rule in the opposite direction is also not a good thing, and it is the one thing that Hitler strove to attain, and quickly did attain upon being appointed Chancellor until the rest of the world stepped up and put an end to those Nazi aspirations. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  Freewill @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

I just cannot believe that you said all that nonsense about Hillary.  Unfreakingbelievable!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.22    2 weeks ago

Yes, he did.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1.26  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Freewill @2.1.23    2 weeks ago

I wouldn’t say Hitler was uber intelligent, but I’m sure Hitler had 100 times the intellect of Donald Trump, he was just an extraordinarily evil human on entirely different level.  Trump is incredibly stupid … too stupid to ever be a Hitler.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

You're starting in 1933. Hitler and his goon party starting fomenting their hate after WWI. He was arrested in 1923 because of the Beer Hall putsch:

The Beer Hall Putsch , also known as the Munich Putsch , [1] [note 1] was a failed coup d'état by Nazi Party ( Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) leader Adolf Hitler , Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders in Munich , Bavaria , on 8– 9 November 1923 , during the Weimar Republic . Approximately two thousand Nazis marched on the Feldherrnhalle , in the city centre, but were confronted by a police cordon, which resulted in the deaths of 16 Nazi Party members and four police officers. [2]

Hitler escaped immediate arrest and was spirited off to safety in the countryside. After two days, he was arrested and charged with treason . [3]

The putsch brought Hitler to the attention of the German nation for the first time and generated front-page headlines in newspapers around the world. His arrest was followed by a 24-day trial, which was widely publicised and gave him a platform to express his nationalist sentiments to the nation. Hitler was found guilty of treason and sentenced to five years in Landsberg Prison , [note 2] where he dictated Mein Kampf to fellow prisoners Emil Maurice and Rudolf Hess . On 20 December 1924, having served only nine months, Hitler was released. [4] [5] Once released, Hitler redirected his focus towards obtaining power through legal means rather than by revolution or force, and accordingly changed his tactics, further developing Nazi propaganda . [6]
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Freewill @2.1.23    2 weeks ago
The fear isn't that Trump, if re-elected, could do what Hitler did, but rather that he could continue to embarrass this country, continue to sully the office of the presidency with his lies and self-serving rhetoric, and continue to contribute to the irrational political polarization that has crippled our political discourse.  My fear, which I'm certain will not be shared by others here, is that he will continue to drag the Republican party into the far right-wing quagmire and even further away from ever presenting a rational and reasonable counter to some of the more extreme forces in the Democratic party. 

I'm not sure we can know what Trump will try and do in the future, but I damn well know it goes beyond embarrassing the country and sullying the office of the presidency.  I have to laugh at those who keep trying to minimize the damage Trump has done to our society. It is profound. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

And I respect you very much. I see what you are saying. I think they both marginalize people and people are committing atrocious acts due to the rhetoric trmp is spouting. People did heinous acts based on Hitler's rhetoric. There was a guy who went into a Dairy Queen in PA, I think it was, with a weapon announcing he was going to shoot people who hate trmp. I'd better go look that up.

Somebody posted a seed about it here

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.31  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @2.1.23    2 weeks ago
My fear, which I'm certain will not be shared by others here, is that he will continue to drag the Republican party into the far right-wing quagmire and even further away from ever presenting a rational and reasonable counter to some of the more extreme forces in the Democratic party. 

You're not alone. I miss the GOP of my youth

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.32  Freewill  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.24    2 weeks ago
I just cannot believe that you said all that nonsense about Hillary.

Yes you can.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.33  Freewill  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.28    2 weeks ago
You're starting in 1933.

Correct, when he was actually handed the position of power, that of Chancellor .  From that point he quickly put all his talk into terrible action over the next several years.  Trump sans the Mein Kampf history was elected the leader of the free world for 4 years, arguably the most powerful position in the world and he did none of the terrible things that Hitler did in his first 4 years of power.  After those 4 years Trump was cast out and rightly so, but not because he was akin to Hitler.  He is certainly insane, but not on the level of Hitler.  That is my only point. 

I tend to agree with Hal that Trump is too stupid to be Hitler.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @2.1.21    2 weeks ago
He tried to ban Muslims from the country. 

Surely you didn't believe the Democrats' lies about some imaginary Muslim ban, I hope.

When you start off with such an obvious lie, why read any further?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.35  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @2.1.33    2 weeks ago

The documentaries I watch suggest that Hitler wasn't all that bright, either. He really just had the gift of gab. Goebbles was the man with the brains

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.36  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.29    2 weeks ago
I'm not sure we can know what Trump will try and do in the future,

Agreed, we don't really know what he might try to do in the future, but one thing we do know for certain is that he cannot do what Hitler did.  I already covered that above.

but I damn well know it goes beyond embarrassing the country and sullying the office of the presidency. 

Fair enough.  My list of shit that he has done, and reasons to see to it that he is not re-elected was not exhaustive.  My only point was that fears of him doing what Hitler did are not on that list.

I have to laugh at those who keep trying to minimize the damage Trump has done to our society.

Understood, although to me it really isn't funny, and that's certainly why I would never join them in supporting such a train wreck.  But I also have to question those who continue to minimize the horrors that Hitler perpetrated by insisting that Trump is just as insane or would/could do the same.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.37  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.36    2 weeks ago

The point being, it is not what either of them did or didn't do when they gained power, it is how they gained power to begin with.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
2.1.38  Freewill  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.35    2 weeks ago
The documentaries I watch suggest that Hitler wasn't all that bright, either.

Perhaps, but the point that Trump is too stupid to be Hitler still stands. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.39  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @2.1.38    2 weeks ago

Point conceded. :)

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.40  Freewill  replied to  Ender @2.1.37    2 weeks ago
The point being, it is not what either of them did or didn't do when they gained power,

I disagree. The point is most certainly what either of them did or didn't do when they gained power.  That is a HUGE difference!

it is how they gained power to begin with.

Ok let's consider that. 

Trump gained power by campaigning for over a year claiming that he wasn't a politician, and that his opponents were career politicians and criminals, and claiming he would "drain the swamp".  He also faced an opponent in the general election that was unpalatable to many at the time.  Both sides did opposition research and tried to sully the other to varying degrees, but otherwise the election was conducted pursuant to the Constitution.  Turns out he was swampier than the swamp he claimed he would drain, and the American people drained him from that swamp 4 years later.

Hitler was appointed the Chancellor position in 1933 by the presidential opponent that defeated him in their general election in 1932 after nearly a decade of having plotted and schemed for that specific position of power illegally and legally along the way. Once obtaining that position he proceeded to lobby with his military alliances to grant his position the power to circumvent the Reichstag and even the president in matters of "national security" and eliminate any competition or impediment (via assassination - Night of the Long Knives, etc.) he had in gaining the office of the president upon the death of a dying president Hindenburg.  When Hindenburg died in August of 1934, Hitler's SS had already amassed great power through intimidation, assassination and propaganda, and Hitler forced his way into the presidency with a plebiscite vote, not an actual election.  Once in he combined the powers of chancellor and president and eliminated both offices, appointing himself Fuhrer, the supreme dictator of the German Reich and commander of all its armed forces. What he did after that is a history so horrible it is difficult to imagine.

So the similarities in how they gained power are what exactly?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.41  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.40    2 weeks ago

You are still thinking in scope of what they did and what happened once they were in power. I don't think anyone here has made that comparison but you.

I can see similarities in how they gained power by speeches filled with grievances, pitting a them against the world attitude.

Yes hitler had supporters that followed him and were on his side just like with donald.

You are trying to change or say certain aspects cannot apply because the real life outcomes were different.

No one here is diminishing the atrocities that were made under hitler's regime, just pointing out that there are people that use his tactics to this day.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.42  Tessylo  replied to  Freewill @2.1.32    2 weeks ago

Not cute.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.43  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Freewill @2.1.32    2 weeks ago

There would have been zero comment otherwise.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.44  Freewill  replied to  Ender @2.1.41    2 weeks ago
You are trying to change or say certain aspects cannot apply because the real life outcomes were different.

No I was addressing specifically two of TG's comments at my comment #2.1.7. regarding comparisons to the insanity of Hitler and the Nazi's.  And then I followed where the responses/discussion went from there, including your comments at #2.1.8 and #2.1.37.  I have said nothing about how certain aspects can't apply, I simply responded specifically to what was said.

just pointing out that there are people that use his tactics to this day.

And I will acknowledge that from the standpoint of propaganda tactics Trump and others might use somewhat similar tactics.  But from the standpoint of the insanity at the root of that propaganda, and the manifestation of the physical tactics and actual murderous violence used by Hitler to carry out that dictatorial and genocidal vision, there simply is no comparison to Trump.  Again, IMHO there are many reasons to hate Trump and see to it that he is not re-elected, but to me fears that he is as insane or more insane than Hitler, or will gain a following that will allow him to do anything close to what Hitler did are not among them.  I just don't buy into that sort of hype or fear mongering whether it comes from Trump himself, or those who hate him.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.45  Thomas  replied to  Freewill @2.1.44    2 weeks ago

Wow, good debate guys, and no one has called anybody an asshole.....yet. 

Freewill,  I think that you are unwilling to admit that something on the order of Hitler's atrocities could happen here. 

Maybe DJT will not murder 6 million or 8 million or however many the final tally of the final solution killed.  You say it cannot happen here,  I say did you ever in your lifetime consider it possible that a sitting president would call a mass of supporters to DC and set them on the Capitol?  People he knew were armed?  People he knew bore ill will towards anyone who said he did not win the election? My guess is probably not.

But it happened.

So to say, "it can't happen here" seems a little niave.  

There is no reset on insurrection once completed successfully.  Apparently,  DJT thinks that he can try again. Don't you think the Germans in the 1920s thought, "Ohhh, that Hitler!  Always making noises like he is going to hurt someone.... It can't happen here." Or "Well,  it is only those people. "  

I am to bed.  I will endeavor to complete this in the morning.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.46  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

I'm sure you noticed you did not get the courtesy of a answer to your question because he could not have answered it in a reasonable manner.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.47  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.44    2 weeks ago

You say it all comes down to no one can be compared to hitler. That is your view. My view is that people compare themselves to hitler and follow his writings and speech. There is quite a large segment whether or not some want to believe it.

There are some that use his campaign tactics, that you seem to agree with, yet there seems to be a disconnect with saying any comparison to the nazi regime and the tactics they used is bad and or wrong.

Then you lose sight, of what people are trying to do right in your face.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.48  Freewill  replied to  Thomas @2.1.45    2 weeks ago
Freewill,  I think that you are unwilling to admit that something on the order of Hitler's atrocities could happen here. 

That is correct, and I already explained why it detail.  I appreciate the debate here as well Thomas, but perhaps we will just need to agree to disagree.

Have a good evening my friend.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.49  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.46    2 weeks ago

JR rarely responds to a request for clarification or to cite sources backing up his accusations.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.50  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.49    2 weeks ago
JR rarely responds to a request for clarification or to cite sources backing up his accusations.

You are one of those people we see on internet forums that likes to ask pointless questions. I am one of the people that tries not to answer pointless questions. I also dont get bogged down in extended back and forths (as much as I can). We are all here to give our opinions, that is what people should do more of and stop trying to "gotcha" other people. 

As for the question in question

We have put up with this utter nonsense for 7 years now. You and the rest of the conservatives have been told repeatedly that it would get worse and it has gotten progressively worse. What are you going to do about it?
What are you going to do about it? 
Why do you think that Ed can change this?
Ed is a conservative who remains silent about the damage Trump has done and is doing to our country. The rest of us are already speaking up. Conservatives are the only ones who can drive Trump out of politics and they are not trying to do it. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.51  Thomas  replied to  Freewill @2.1.48    2 weeks ago
That is correct, and I already explained why it detail.  I appreciate the debate here as well Thomas, but perhaps we will just need to agree to disagree.

Allright. I am stretched for time, so I will say thank you for your thoughtful discourse. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.52  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.50    2 weeks ago

I speak up plenty John, but you consistently ignore it because what I say does not match your political world view.

Best thing I can do is to refuse to vote for Trump should he manage to be allowed to run again. I don't like the man much, but I dislike Biden and company even more, but I think that is what you and others with your views on NT really cannot stand. It's got to be solely your way or the highway! Have a good day John.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.53  Freewill  replied to  Thomas @2.1.51    2 weeks ago
Allright. I am stretched for time, so I will say thank you for your thoughtful discourse.

Sorry if I sounded dismissive Thomas in my response at #2.1.48, but I have been stretched for time as well.  I did want to address a couple of the other things you and others mentioned here:

... I say did you ever in your lifetime consider it possible that a sitting president would call a mass of supporters to DC and set them on the Capitol?  People he knew were armed?  People he knew bore ill will towards anyone who said he did not win the election?

Not sure about the "knew they were armed" part, but yes I did consider it possible less than half way in to the 2016 primaries and watching Trump berate his opponents and blather on childishly about how he always "wins", its all about "winning", and he never loses.  His absolute disregard for, or inability to understand, how his words could impact other people, his arrogant childish demeanor, his third grade level vocabulary, his demonizing of anyone who so much as differs with him, all lead me to think holy shit this guy can't be President.  When he won the Republican nomination that marked my parting of ways with the Republican party until they can regain their fricking senses. And I began warning my conservative friends that they simply cannot vote for this guy because he's just as shady, more divisive, more self-centered and more likely to demonize those with whom he disagrees than any of his opponents, including Hillary.   I could vote for neither of them. 

I knew that it was possible if he lost the 2016 election he would go on and on about a stolen election even beyond what Hillary and some of her followers did, and I was actually surprised that he won.  After that I knew it was very likely that if he lost re-election in 2020 that he would insist the election was stolen and that he would lie and blather on about it without concern for how his words might impact other people and his followers.  He can't lose, he won't accept losing, like a petulant child. His "Stop the Steal" bullshit was classic narcissism, classic Trump. That was clearly his personality and we could all have seen it as far back as the 2016 primaries IMO.  

Having said that, it is pure speculation to say that he did all of that out of the same type of hateful motivation as Hitler.  Sure, he used similar tactics like demonizing his opponents and riling people up against them, but he certainly isn't the only American politician to do that.  He didn't plan to disassemble the Constitution or our republican form of government and install himself as Fuhrer by any murderous means necessary.  His plan didn't include concentration camps for Jews or others who some feel he demonized, or assassination of his enemies or anyone who stood in his way.   His motivation was simple self-centered "winning", a refusal to lose and inability to understand how that might impact others.  Insane in his own way, but certainly not as insane as Hitler.

That is where I was coming from in this debate. 

So to say, "it can't happen here" seems a little niave.

To what "it" are you referring?  If you mean the Jan 6 riot, I certainly thought something like that could happen with someone like Trump at the helm.  If you mean something more along the lines of what Hitler did and his motivations for doing it, I don't feel the least bit naïve about my opinion that it couldn't happen here for the reasons I already outlined in my posts above.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.54  JBB  replied to  Freewill @2.1.53    2 weeks ago

"Trump - Not As Bad As Hitler", put that on a bumper sticker...

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.55  Freewill  replied to  Ender @2.1.47    2 weeks ago
You say it all comes down to no one can be compared to hitler.  That is your view..

I never said that, and that is not my view.  I offered my opinion, just like anyone else here, and I explained in detail my basis for that opinion.  You and others are certainly free to compare Trump and his supporters to Hitler and the Nazis to your hearts content.  What you risk with such hyperbole, IMHO, is strengthening their resolve.  I prefer to reason with them, show them why perhaps supporting Trump is not what is best for the Republican Party and certainly not what is best for America.  We need less divisiveness, not more.  We need intelligent, rational, reasonable, and not easily swayed by special interests, leadership.  Trump checks none of those boxes, but neither is he going to disassemble our constitution and install himself as Fuhrer, put millions of Americans in concentration camps, strip them of their wealth and status in society, or exterminate them.  So all I'm suggesting is that we all be reasonable about this shall we?

yet there seems to be a disconnect with saying any comparison to the nazi regime and the tactics they used is bad and or wrong.

Again, I never said that and there is no disconnect.  I offered my opinion that comparing Trump or his followers to Hitler or Nazis, or claiming in general that they are more insane than were Hitler or the Nazi's, is unproductive hyperbole, and I explained why.  I did not say that in every aspect it is bad or wrong to draw a comparison.  For example, as I wrote to Thomas above, Trump may have used similar rhetoric or tactics like demonizing his opponents and riling people up against them, but he certainly isn't the only American politician to do that.   His limited vocabulary, extreme narcissism, self-centered childish view of "winning", and inability to understand how his words impact other people certainly don't help that situation, and we all should have seen that coming IMHO. 

Thank you for the discussion as well Ender.  

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.56  Freewill  replied to  JBB @2.1.54    2 weeks ago
"Trump - Not As Bad As Hitler", put that on a bumper sticker...

Great idea JBB! - Let me know when you make your first $ million.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.57  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.31    2 weeks ago

Same here.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.58  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.57    2 weeks ago

How about, "Kool-Aid - It's Not Poison"?

Or, "Pearl Milling Company - White Flour"...

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
2.1.59  Freewill  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.52    2 weeks ago
Best thing I can do is to refuse to vote for Trump should he manage to be allowed to run again.

Agreed.  I still get emails from Republican candidates like Rubio and DeSantis, among others.  What I have started doing is responding to some of those emails with something along the lines of:

I would be willing to consider supporting you if you could separate yourself from Trump and stop talking about the "Trump Legacy" in such glowing terms in your campaign appeals.   Trump is not good for the Republican Party and certainly not good for America with his highly divisive rhetoric and self-centered, narcissistic demeanor.   His careless rhetoric and "Stop the Steal" gambit lead to the Capitol riot on January 6, and what's more he did not call for those people to stand down and disperse as vociferously as he should have.  Five people are dead and it could have been worse.  Do what is right and see to it that Donald Trump stands no chance of re-election and maybe we'll talk.  He called you Little Marco for crying out loud, why would you have any allegiance to such a man?  I think there are a great many conservative and independent voters who would appreciate such a stance from the other leadership in the Republican Party, there is no need to pander to Trump's base.

Never got a response, but it doesn't hurt to try.

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.1.60  Freewill  replied to  JBB @2.1.58    2 weeks ago

Trollin', trollin', trollin'

Keep them doggies trollin'

Rawhide!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.61  JBB  replied to  Freewill @2.1.60    2 weeks ago

Really? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.62  Ender  replied to  Freewill @2.1.55    2 weeks ago

I can only say that there are some people that believe in a person without question.

Thank you for the discussion as well Ender. 

Thanks to you as well. I know I can come off as a little crass. I am working on that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.63  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Freewill @2.1.60    2 weeks ago

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Revillug
Freshman Guide
2.1.64  Revillug  replied to  Freewill @2.1.38    2 weeks ago
Perhaps, but the point that Trump is too stupid to be Hitler still stands.

It's not really a useful discussion to to ask, "could this get as bad as Hitler?"

We've had a few prolific monsters since then and they all went about things a little bit differently. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, North Korea,  and Putin have have all subjugated and slaughtered their own people (or people they declare are their own). It looks different each time. There aren't always death camps with ovens but there are usually camps. We have camps right now for asylum seekers and we had camps for the Japanese in WWII. 

The camps in WWII were a war panic. What's the excuse for the panic now? White people might not be able to lord it over their neighbors?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.65  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2.1.54    one week ago
"Trump - Not As Bad As Hitler", put that on a bumper sticker...

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
2.1.66  Revillug  replied to  JBB @2.1.54    one week ago
Trump - Not As Bad As Hitler", put that on a bumper sticker...

Make America Germany Again

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
3  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

Thankfully an affirmed Q affiliation will only continue to degrade the base of morons that would vote for Trump. Maybe that is his objective, since actually being POTUS is too hard for him.  He just wants to be perceived as a candidate, to make him less touchable as a criminal defendant.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    2 weeks ago

“…that is his objective…”

Desperate times…anything to stay one step ahead of inevitable prosecution, even if it means taking two steps back in relevancy. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4  Ozzwald    2 weeks ago
After last night's rally, there's no denying that Trump's fully embraced the QAnon conspiracy theory.

Trump's followers are leaving in droves.  The only way he can keep getting money out of them, is if he embraces the craziest amongst them.  He doesn't give a shit about their beliefs, only their wallets.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4    2 weeks ago
Trump's followers are leaving in droves.

If true, why aren't those on the left absolutely giddy with glee instead of grousing so much?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    2 weeks ago

If true, why aren't those on the left absolutely giddy with glee instead of grousing so much?

Because the ones he has left are the ultra racist, ultra violent fanatics.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
Because the ones he has left are the ultra racist, ultra violent fanatics.

kudos for a rather inventive non-answer.

 
 
 
gooseisback
Sophomore Silent
4.1.3  gooseisback  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
Because the ones he has left are the ultra racist, ultra violent fanatics.

Soooo.........you're saying after the rally they burned property and attacked minorities.  Funny did hear about that.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
4.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
"Because the ones he has left are the ultra racist, ultra violent fanatics."

How come these fanatics are hardly ever in the news?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one week ago

They may be, but they sure are not becoming liberals and/or Democrats. Many are just non Trump supporting conservative Independents like me and others here. Contrary to what some posting here believe, we do exist. 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
4.2  Freewill  replied to  Ozzwald @4    2 weeks ago
Trump's followers are leaving in droves.

Good!  Should have happened a long time ago!

The only way he can keep getting money out of them, is if he embraces the craziest amongst them.  He doesn't give a shit about their beliefs, only their wallets.

Certainly could be said of just about any politician these days.  Yet he claims he isn't a politician.  Bullshit!  He is the embodiment of the worst of them, and he doesn't make any effort to hide it.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5  Freewill    2 weeks ago

Interesting psychiatric analysis of the origin and propagation of the QAnon conspiracy theories here in the Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law:

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6  JBB    2 weeks ago

Q, Jim Watkins the infamous internet troll is known by many different names. He operates a sex tourism travel agency in the Philippines...

800

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @6    2 weeks ago

I wonder if he's an Incel

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    2 weeks ago

Probably, you knew him be numerous different name on NV...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    2 weeks ago

Just looking at him I would have to say YES

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

You think this guy is Braveheart?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Ah yes, Newsvine.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    2 weeks ago

He looks like incest, gone awry, but maybe he could babysit my daughter. 

Just curious here, was Trout Giggles you Newsvine handle ?

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
6.1.6  Freewill  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    2 weeks ago
I wonder if he's an Incel

What?  You don't like the pork chop side burns and the painful looking goiter?  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

Is that a frickin "Q" pin on his collar?  I thought such pins belong on the lapel.  So no fashion sense either.  He probably wears white after Labor Day as well.  jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6.1.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Freewill @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

He’s got a Dwight Schrute vibe going on.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.5    2 weeks ago

Yes, I was

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

I just think that's fat. I had a goiter and it was farther down on my neck.

Well, I wouldn't sleep with him...would you?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freewill @6.1.6    2 weeks ago
Is that a frickin "Q" pin on his collar? 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
6.1.11  Freewill  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
Well, I wouldn't sleep with him...would you?

You mean in the same room?  Certainly not on purpose. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.12  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

I have an old copy of that picture traehevarB shared of himself and his cat that died, "Baby Girl", but for some reason cannot share it here. A lot of his internet history has been deleted. He operates several sites that were shutdown for fraud which included rickontheright.com, Crossway Ministries, the International Publishing Group and finally International Reviews - Travel and Tourism which is a sex tourism travel agency he founded with Frederick Brennan which caters to handicaped paedos and the sex tourism trade...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

Been keeping track of him, eh?

How do you find out all this stuff?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

The one that used to be on Newsvine?  A real whacko.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.14    2 weeks ago

Yeah, that guy. I was kinda hoping he'd be in prison

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.16  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.13    2 weeks ago

Does treahevarB look like Tom Watkins, or not...

original

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @6.1.16    2 weeks ago

They look a like but they aren't the same person. Look at the eyes

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.18  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.13    2 weeks ago

Driftwood was Trump's 2020 Deputy Campaign Manager - Stephanie Milligan Alexander original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.19  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.17    2 weeks ago

No, it is the difference in the angle, lightning, glasses and time between shots. Again, there are lots of other pictures online of the same guy by numerous different names. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.20  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.15    2 weeks ago

What do you believe are the chances that the guy on the right, Q - aka Tom Watkins, who operates a sex tourism businesses in the Philippines that caters to handicapped paedos in partnership with Frederick Brennan is not also the guy on the left who also operates a handicapped sex tourism travel agency in the Philippines? I get it. The implication I was right back then are personally consequential...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @6.1.20    2 weeks ago

When you put it that way I'd say the chances are slim to none

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.22  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.21    2 weeks ago

If Driftwood, who is thisclosetoTrump, was Trump's Deputy Campaign Manager then that explains Braveheart being Q...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.23  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.21    2 weeks ago

Unwanted and un-asked for by me a great deal of personal info about the membership of NV was shared with me. There were some members there who had multiple accounts and who played both sides of political spectrum. Fishy Shit...

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.1.24  pat wilson  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.17    2 weeks ago

I agree, they're not the same.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.25  JBB  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.24    2 weeks ago

I wrongly said Tom Waikins, but it is Jim Watkins who is Q. (Tom Watkins is his son) He regularly changes up his looks by using hair dye and growing or cutting facial hair and by wearing different glasses. See these different pics of Jim Watkins below.  

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6.1.26  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.7    2 weeks ago

320

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Freewill @6.1.11    2 weeks ago

Hey freewill, you're a good guy.  I don't mean any harm.  I have a big mouth but I'm all bark and no bite . . .

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.28  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.27    2 weeks ago
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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.17    2 weeks ago

No I don't think so either.  The guy on my right has a fuller bottom lip.  They definitely could be related though

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.30  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.29    2 weeks ago

A lot of people have been getting lip fillers. I cannot find it today but there was an article I read online about Watkins that said he had plastic surgeries done in Thailand to look younger.

Maybe I am wrong, but they look alike, talk alike, think alike.

I looked for some of his various old profiles I knew of but they have mostly been deleted or the pictures are removed now.

Some sites said they had removed them for being fraudulent.

I have been aware of Watkin's presence online for 13 years...

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.1.31  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
Well, I wouldn't sleep with him.

I am not a "Q" member.....for the record. jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
6.1.32  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.31    2 weeks ago

Q Tip of the day...?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.1.33  MrFrost  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.32    2 weeks ago

Q Tip of the day...?

Ok, settle down Iggy.. LOL 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.34  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.31    2 weeks ago

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gooseisback
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6.2  gooseisback  replied to  JBB @6    2 weeks ago
He operates a sex tourism travel agency in the Philippines...

Is he an American?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.1  JBB  replied to  gooseisback @6.2    2 weeks ago

Yes...

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
6.3  pat wilson  replied to  JBB @6    2 weeks ago

Eeeeewwwww

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
6.4  Revillug  replied to  JBB @6    2 weeks ago

Why does this guy look like he is hitting on a teenager?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Revillug @6.4    one week ago

"Why does this guy look like he is hitting on a teenager?"

Because that's most likely something he does.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

newrepublic.com   /article/167795/trump-qanon-violence-2022-midterms

Donald Trump Is More Deranged Than Ever

Alex Shephard 7-8 minutes   9/18/2022


J.D. Vance   didn’t invite   Donald Trump to Ohio, where the former president gave a   lengthy, rant-filled speech   at a rally on Saturday—and it’s easy to see why. “J.D. is kissing my ass. Of course, he wants my support,” Trump said to those who gathered in Youngstown, making a reference to comments Vance—currently the  Republican nominee for Ohio’s Senate seat–made during the 2016 election. At the time, Vance was trying to cultivate some distance between himself and the then-presidential candidate, who he had   referred   to as “cultural heroin” and “America’s Hitler.” 

But Trump went on to smooth things over with the venture capitalist and bootstraps enthusiast. “This is a great person who I’ve really gotten to know,” Trump. “Yeah, he said some bad things about me, but that was before he knew me and then he fell in love. Remember, I said that about Kim Jong Un – he fell in love, and they said, ‘Oh, Trump was saying he fell in love.’ Actually, he did.” So there you have it: J.D. Vance is just like Kim Jong Un—surely a winning campaign message. 

Vance and other Republican nominees in tight races are trying to keep their distance from the former president, according to a   report   from   The New York Times   from over the weekend. “The optimal scenario for Republicans is for Trump to remain at arm’s length — supportive, but not in ways that overshadow the candidate or the contrast,” Republican strategist Liam Donovan told the   Times . Trump is too divisive and controversial, pushing away at least as many swing voters as he brings in. 

But what the Times’ austere analysis perhaps leaves out is that Trump is also increasingly deranged. His Youngstown rally, even by the former president’s recent unhinged standards, hit operatic new heights of myopia, narcissism, and self-delusion. Much of the speech read like dark and gritty reboot of his 2016 address at the Republican National Convention: “We no longer have a border. Our country is being invaded. It’s an invasion by millions of illegal aliens,” Trump said, one of several references to the   racist “Great Replacement” theory . “The economy is crashing. Your 401(k) is collapsing,” he continued. “Shooting, stabbings, rapes, carjackings are skyrocketing.” 

Mostly, though, he just wanted to talk about himself. In a series of self-pitying screeds, he claimed that the “death penalty” would be brought against him if he had “spied” on campaigns the way he claims he was spied on during the 2016 election—yes, he’s still bringing up grievances from more than six years ago. He went on to characterize the seizure of highly classified documents that he’d been hoarding in his personal residence as an “unhinged persecution.”. 

But even this was just part of the build-up to what ended up being a full QAnon passion play, as the rally culminated with Trump fulminating—reciting a series of grievances over swelling strings. His followers, commanded to raise their fingers in salute, did so—resulting in a scene that looked like it was freshly plucked from Leni Riefenstahl’s back catalogue. The swelling music over which he ranted was eerily similar to the QAnon anthem “Wwg1wga”—a   reference   to the conspiracy theory’s slogan “Where we go one, we go all.” The one finger salute was also a nod to the title of that song. Two other speakers at the rally, including   Marjorie Taylor Greene , have promoted QAnon over the last several years. Trump himself has recently posted or   reposted several QAnon-linked images   on his “Truth Social” platform. 

“Now we are a nation in decline. We are a failing nation,” Trump said, riffing on what has become a familiar theme in his speeches—referencing high inflation and energy costs and the need for more domestic energy production. It was very much akin to traditional fascist myth-making: Only one man can restore the glory and wealth and prestige of the motherland and that person is a real estate developer/con man turned insurrectionist. 

That Trump’s eventual embrace of QAnon was   pretty much fore-ordained , it’s still disturbing. The conspiracy theory is propped up by his most devoted followers, who believe, among other things, that he will be reinstated as president of the United States and that the Democratic Party is run by a cabal of child sex traffickers. That combination of extreme loyalty to himself and an extraordinary antipathy to his rivals is what he has always promoted among his supporters. As Trump has become more and more obsessed with the investigations engulfing him—into the attempt to overturn the 2020 election, into his apparent theft of hundreds of classified documents, into his corrupt businesses—it only grows more necessary to play more directly to those most willing to believe his claims of victimhood.  

His growing coziness with QAnon also speaks to his increasing self-pity; as his approval rating  sinks to new lows , Trump needs the comfort of the truest of the true believers. Self-obsession has always been a major part of the Trump brand, but during the 2016 campaign, he was able to occasionally focus on matters beyond his narrow self-interests. Six years later, he has finally banished all other concerns from his mind; he’s cast himself as a unique victim in the history of American politics—the stakes of every election are merely a chance to win redress for the harms to which he has been subjected. His speeches are endless litanies of grievances. Sometimes those grievances involve others—typically about the hundreds of people who have been convicted for trying to violently halt the peaceful transfer of power. But mostly they’re just about himself and how he is being targeted by the legal system solely because he was such a great president. 

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that Joe Biden was referring to when he laid out the   case against “MAGA Republicans”   who were out to subvert democracy. That speech was treated by many in the media as being too overtly political if not beneath the office of the presidency itself. Biden’s invocation of “semi-fascism” was characterized as dubious at best. But Trump wasted little time in proving Biden’s point: Within days he responded by wrapping himself in the symbolism of a conspiracy theory that inspired   a Michigan man to murder his wife   just one week ago. Not all of the former president’s utterances make the news these days—a combination of his removal from his preferred social media platforms and a correction, perhaps even an overcorrection, to the wall-to-wall coverage of every thing he said and did between 2015 and 2021. But with the midterms approaching, Trump is using his spotlight to call for retribution and vengeance, and aligning himself with a movement well-known for its   propensity for violence . Alarms should be sounding. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Does a Book Call Trump ‘The Son of Man, The Christ’?

A picture of a flyer showed the book title, "President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man - The Christ," followed by the author's name, Helgard Müller.

  • Published   19 September 2022
  • Updated   19 September 2022
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A book that names Donald Trump as “the son of man” and “the Christ” was promoted by its author at multiple rallies for the former U.S. president.

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Author Helgard Müller said that he believes there are two Christs, with Jesus being the son of God who was betrayed by Judas, and Trump being the son of man who was “betrayed by [former U.S. Vice President Mike] Pence.” He also claimed that his book, “President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man – The Christ,” was not satire.

In September 2022, a Twitter user posted  that flyers were available at an Ohio rally held for former U.S. President Donald Trump that named him as “the son of man” and “the Christ.” It was true that the flyers showed the cover of a real, published book from author Helgard Müller, titled, “President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man – The Christ.” The rally  took place  on Sept. 17 at the Covelli Centre arena in Youngstown.

Müller confirmed to us via the Messenger app that he personally handed the flyers out at the Youngstown   Trump   rally. “I did hand the flyers out. I gave them to the people in line. Some were sitting,” he said. We also asked him if anyone with Trump’s campaign or team had ever handed out the flyers in any official capacity. “No,” he answered.

Posts  on Müller’s Facebook page showed that he traveled with a trailer (the  small one  below) and some signage to help promote his book at Trump rallies. The  book ‘s release appeared to have been around March 2022.

“Is this satire?,” a Facebook commenter   asked . “Nope,” Müller answered. “The real deal.”

Another Facebook commenter   asked   for an explanation, posting, “What!!?? Trump…The Christ? Are you pulling our leg?” Müller provided an answer by pointing to his interpretation of Bible verses, saying he believed the son of God to be   Jesus Christ , and the son of   man   to be Trump, meaning he believed there to be two Christs:

You know that Jesus, the Son of God always spoke about the Son of MAN in a third person?

“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words (Jesus, the Son of God), of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”

Have you not notice how Jesus, the Son of God spoke in the first person about himself and always referred to the Son of MAN in the third person?1f609.png

Müller also told us that he believed there to be a comparison between Jesus being   betrayed by Judas   and Trump purportedly being “betrayed by Pence,” purportedly referring to the former U.S. vice president’s decision to   follow the U.S. Constitution   rather than overturning the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election based on conspiracy theories. (In reality, no credible evidence of massive voter fraud has ever been produced to show that the election was “stolen,” as Trump often claimed.)

Following the Ohio rally, Müller uploaded a   video   that provided a longer explanation as to why he believed Trump to be “the son of man” and “the Christ,” as mentioned on the cover of his book. “Don’t get offended. Don’t say, ‘Ew, that’s blasphemous,'” he said. “Jesus is the king of the Jews. Trump is the king of kings.”

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In sum, yes, it’s true that flyers were being handed out at a Trump rally for a book that called Trump “the son of God” and “the Christ.”

Sources:

Article II Executive Branch . Constitution Annotated, .

@HelgardMullerShow.   Facebook , .

Howie, Craig. “Trump Rallies for Vance — and Himself — in Ohio.”   POLITICO , 17 Sept. 2022, .

“Luke 22 – New International Version.”  Bible Gateway , .

Müller, Helgard.  President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man – The Christ . Outskirts Press, Incorporated, 2022.

@nothoodlum.   Twitter , 19 Sept. 2022, .
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  1. On Sept. 19, 2022, a reader alerted us to the fact that one of the mentions of U.S. Vice President Mike Pence referred to his title as president. This has been corrected.
  • Published   19 September 2022
  • Updated   19 September 2022
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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

This would make a great seed

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    2 weeks ago

Maybe I'll try and post it tomorrow. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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9.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9    2 weeks ago

Good work, You had a lot of fiber to work with.  I'm sure that you washed thoroughly afterwards.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
9.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1    2 weeks ago
Good work, You had a lot of fiber to work with.

Looks like she used your own words. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.1    one week ago
Looks like she used your own words. 

Words don't have fiber in them, but my shit does.  I don't think that she could get her hands on that no matter how much she might want to.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.1    one week ago

Why the fuck would a certain someone think I would want ANYTHING they have including their shit?

FUCKING DELUSIONAL!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.4    one week ago

I hope MrFrost replies, I'm interested in that answer as well.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.5    one week ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.6    one week ago

Who is Jeff Tiedrich and why should anyone care what he tweets? Is his use of the word shit and dipshittery what attracted you?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @9    one week ago

Wow, takes someone with a serious case of OCD and too much time on their hands to do something like that! But it is somewhat amusing though I admit.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
10  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @10    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
11  Tessylo    one week ago

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