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Nashville Mayor John Cooper on Tuesday said Americans “should not be celebrating the cult of the gun”

  
Via:  John Russell  •  last year  •  24 comments


Nashville Mayor John Cooper on Tuesday said Americans “should not be celebrating the cult of the gun”
Guns lead to tragedies and whatever your political feelings are, we should not be celebrating the cult of the gun,” added the mayor, a Democrat.

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Nashville Mayor John Cooper on Tuesday said Americans “should not be celebrating the cult of the gun” after six people were killed at a school shooting in his Tennessee city.

Gun control advocates and other social media users highlighted a 2021 Christmas photo featuring GOP Rep. Andy Ogles, whose district includes The Covenant School targeted in Monday’s mass shooting. In the image, Ogles and his family, including children, pose with what appear to be large firearms.      Asked if he received Ogles’ card, Cooper replied: “I’m not on his Christmas card list and I don’t think it’s appropriate.”“Guns lead to tragedies and whatever your political feelings are, we should not be celebrating the cult of the gun,” added the mayor, a Democrat.

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President Joe Biden called on Congress to pass an assault weapons ban and other gun restrictions following Monday’s killings. “We have to do more to stop gun violence. It’s ripping our communities apart,” Biden said from the White House.A ban is unlikely to pass in Washington, with pro-gun Republicans controlling the House and even some Democrats opposing restrictions.

NBC’s Hoda Kotb asked Cooper what states could do to prevent gun violence, pointing to the example of Connecticut. In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012, Connecticut expanded its assault weapons ban and enacted universal background checks for gun buyers.Connecticut had the sixth-lowest gun death rate among U.S. states in 2020, according to the Giffords Law Center.However, Cooper appeared downbeat about Tennessee.“I think it would be very challenging for Tennessee, but I think it needs to be brought up,” Cooper said. “Commonsense reforms, which are not really onerous on gun ownership, does make a big difference.”


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

Gun love leads to deaths in America every day. 

Now someone will say cars lead to deaths every day too.  Sorry, cars have purposes other than killing people. There are types of guns whose only purpose is to kill people. Who the heck loves something like that? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year
Gun love leads to deaths in America every day. 

So tell us, what are you going to do with all of the hunters that not only keep the deer, elk, and other animal populations under control; but provide revenue for local and state governments and economies?

Leftist love of criminals, and not enforcing laws on the books, is what leads to deaths in America every day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1    last year

Do you think some owners love their AR-15's ? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    last year

If they own them legally; and follow gun safety who cares?

WTF do you care if they are using them to hunt; shoot targets; or practice on an advanced range?

When are you going to address the real issue- Democrats refusing to address gun laws on the books; that allow criminals to illegally possess them and commit more crimes?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1    last year

Yeah, because you need an assault rifle with an extended clip and maybe a bump stock to do the job right, huh?  Deer can be vicious and hard to put down.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.3    last year

Big game hunter. Try putting down a feral hog with a single shot hunting rifle or 9mm. 

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In case you need a reminder which President made bump stock legal again. And which president made them illegal after that.

As for your extended magazine garbage. That varies by state.

Just like John you fail to address the real issue. Democrat AG's and DA's failing to enforce gun laws as written. Criminals don't give a shit about the law. Democrats enable criminals.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

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Any bullet can kill, and instantly, when it hits a vital organ. The higher speed of a bullet from an AR-15 causes far more damage after it hits the body and drastically reduces a person’s chances of survival. “As that bullet slows down,” said trauma surgeon Babak Sarani, an authority on casualties from mass killings, “that energy is so massive it has to go someplace, and your body will literally tear apart.”
The bullet from the AR-15 leaves behind a gaping exit wound. The   9mm bullet   fired from the handgun has a much smaller exit wound.

...with immediate medical care and minimal bleeding, the victim has a chance at surviving a 9mm shot to the chest.

The bullet from the AR-15, however, causes torrential bleeding that is quickly lethal.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

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Peter was one of 16 Parkland victims who were shot several times. The shooter had equipped his AR-15 with the ability to fire dozens of rounds without pausing to reload, preventing people from escaping.

In many of America’s mass killings, shooters hit multiple victims, multiple times. In seconds.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

That picture is not exactly telling the truth about impact and that it can only be caused by a high velocity round .

 a .45 ACP would have the same described effect with the same point of impact, and most know the .45 is not considered to be a "high velocity " round where it only goes between 800-900 ft per sec , its called short , fat and slow .... but effective .

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4  Ronin2    last year

Guns don't kill people. They can't operate on their own.

If you leave an unloaded gun on a table in an enclosed room it will stay unloaded in the same position forever. 

It takes a person to pick a gun up up; load it; aim it; and discharge it. 

Criminals don't care about the law. No matter how many laws Democrats want to pass (and almost never enforce) that will never change. All Democrats will be doing is taking guns away from law abiding citizens. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4    last year

The scenes of chaos and terror are all too familiar in America.

The AR-15 fires bullets at such a high velocity — often in a barrage of 30 or even 100 in rapid succession — that it can eviscerate multiple people in seconds. A single bullet lands with a shock wave intense enough to blow apart a skull and demolish vital organs. The impact is even more acute on the compact body of a small child.

“It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot   survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.”

The carnage is rarely visible to the public. Crime scene photos are considered too gruesome to publish and often kept confidential. News accounts rely on antiseptic descriptions from law enforcement officials and medical examiners who, in some cases, have said remains were so unrecognizable that they could be identified only through DNA samples.

As Sakran put it: “We often sanitize what is happening.”

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    last year

Still doesn't address what I wrote. 

Prove me wrong. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    last year

People dont use AR-15's to protect themselves. They use them to fantasize about protecting themselves. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    last year

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Ronin2
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4.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    last year

Really?

You don't think AR-15's are used for hunting; and for self defense if living out in the country; on a large farm; or other remote areas? That they aren't popular for target practice or advanced shooting ranges? 

You still aren't addressing the issue. All the gun laws on the books will not reduce gun violence one damn bit unless Democrat DA's and AG's are willing to enforce them. No dropping the charges; no using them to plea deal acceptance of murder, assault, or other charges; and no selective enforcement. The laws apply to everyone, everywhere, at all times- no excuses. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    last year
People dont use AR-15's to protect themselves.

Once again, you're wrong.  You let your emotions run away from reality.

A notable, and possibly the most heroic example of a good guy using an AR-­15 to save lives, is the case of Stephen Willeford. You might recall seeing the tragedy of the attack on a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on November 5, 2017. What you may not have heard was that Willeford confronted and wounded the assailant. The active shooter was prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal law, but he opened fire on the parishioners of a small church, taking 26 lives and leaving 20 wounded. Alerted to the shooting in progress, Willeford grabbed an AR-­15 and ran out the door of his home barefoot, all while loading rounds into a magazine as he went. He engaged the shooter and forced him to turn his violence away from the church.

At 2:25 a.m. on May 6, 2017, three men attempted a drive-­by shooting in a Houston neighborhood. The would-­be victim, who was in his own front yard when the attack occurred, returned fire with an AR-­15 and hit all three assailants.

“Why would anyone need a 30-­round magazine?” We’ve heard that familiar refrain repeated at nauseum. At least one Florida resident would disagree. On April 15, 2018, a Glen St. Mary resident awoke at 4 a.m. to a home invasion that was spurned by an apparent Facebook dispute. Seven masked and armed individuals forced their way into a mobile home where one of the residents was armed with an AR-­15. According to reports, the resident fired more than 30 rounds during the event, resulting in one home invader being killed and others wounded. Five individuals were arrested in the attack and the resident who defended his home faced no charges.

In May of 2019, four men in a stolen car attempted a home invasion at a Tallahassee, Florida, residence. The homeowner was armed with a rifle and exchanged fire with the assailants, hitting two out of the four of them. Local news reports later revealed that the would-­be victim fired 25 rounds from his AR-­15 in self-­defense. A search of the assailants’ homes revealed property stolen during other burglaries, including firearms. The four men were charged.

There are self-defense stories all around us where the victim used an AR-15 style weapon.  We also know that guns are used by victims in self-defense somewhere between 500,000 and 2,500,000 times a year (which shows how difficult that is to track).  

There are more than 15,000,000 AR-15's held in private ownership and I don't know how many similar types of weapons also held in private ownership.  If the type of weapon was truly the issue then we would see many thousands of such events daily.  The simple fact that we don't indicates that the issue is people who should not have possession of ANY type of gun.

And in keeping with the thrust of the seed, do you remember the worst school massacre in US history?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5  Nerm_L    last year

Ooooh, cult of the gun.  Of course, the cult of the gun is only made up of Obama's bitter clingers.   What they need is a little CRT to set things right.

Except the shooter in this case doesn't fit the political narrative.  But we can't talk about that.  And a private Christian school was attacked.  But we can't talk about that.  And the cops stopped the attack with guns.  But we can't talk about that.  The only thing we're allowed to talk about is civilian ownership and access to guns.

The AR-15 became a weapon of choice for the military to circumvent the Geneva conventions.  Thank the military for popularity of AR-15 style weapons.  If these types of weapons are absolutely necessary for national defense then why wouldn't they be desirable for personal defense?  Or are mere civilians not supposed to defend themselves?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @5    last year

Are you one of President Obama's bitter clingers?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    last year
Are you one of President Obama's bitter clingers?

Do I have a choice?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    last year

Thanks for the admission.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Nerm_L @5    last year
Thank the military for popularity of AR-15 style weapons. 

Im going to somewhat disagree with that , and i will tell you why .

 up until the 94 AWB , the AR platform really wasnt as popular as some think , most called it back then , a "poodle popper " as far as a round was considered , not really all that good , but good enough to fit in between other available rounds .

What i think made it popular was the ban , and what came about after the ban expired .

More and more veterans were looking to get firearms , and they are familiar with the platform, thats a plus to them , as was back then the availability of surplus government ammunition , so it was relatively cheap to shoot compared to other cals  , of course the aftermarket helped a great deal , so making it able to be customized to an owner didnt hurt  you could take the basic platform and size it up or down to an individual , so its popularity is mainly due to its versatility of being customized , and rather inexpensively by the individual for the individual .

Lets not forget that the AR platform does not only come in just the 5.56 NATO calibration , but other cal rounds as well .

another thing im looking at is if the 5.56 round is so devastating , why is the US military looking to change the cal it is using from 5.56 , to something a little bigger in the 6mm range ? maybe the 5.56 wasnt doing everything they wanted ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.2    last year

I'm so impressed with your knowledge of guns and ammo.

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JohnRussell
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5.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5    last year
Thank the military for popularity of AR-15 style weapons.  If these types of weapons are absolutely necessary for national defense then why wouldn't they be desirable for personal defense?  Or are mere civilians not supposed to defend themselves?

Tanks are used for national defense too. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    last year
Tanks are used for national defense too. 

Well, that $10 million price tag is out of reach for most Americans.  And $700 for each shot is little outta reach, too.

You do know that private citizens own and fly military aircraft?  You do know that private citizens own and operate military ships?  And, yes, private citizens even own and operate tanks.  Most of those were bought directly from the military.  Just like surplus small arms and ammunition.

 
 

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