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Jim Jordan Inadvertently Suggests The Republican Impeachment Inquiry Is Illegitimate

  
By:  John Russell  •  8 months ago  •  29 comments


Jim Jordan Inadvertently Suggests The Republican Impeachment Inquiry Is Illegitimate
Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence. But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired. They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.

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Jim Jordan told Fox News that the impeachment inquiry is based on four "facts". The first three are a prelude to the fourth which is the linchpin in Jordan's argument. 

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/jim-jordan-makes-it-clear-the-biden-impeachment-inquiry-rests-entirely-on-a-widely-debunked-conspiracy-theory/


“I think there are four, four key facts, four central facts that are at the heart of this issue,” Rep.   Jim Jordan   (R-OH) told   Fox & Friends   on Wednesday morning, adding:

The first is Hunter Biden was put on the Burisma board. Second, he was put on that board with no qualifications. Third, Burisma, asked him, can you weigh in with DC to relieve the pressure we’re under from the prosecution, from the prosecutor here in Ukraine?

And fourth, Joe Biden did just that. He leveraged our tax money to get the prosecutor fired. And that fourth fact is, is validation of what the confidential human source said in the 1023 form. So that is what is central to this case.

This so called fourth fact, without which the first three amount to a hill of beans in terms of impeachment, is not a fact. It has been debunked over and over for years. 

https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html


However, there are two big problems with the narrative presented by Trump and Giuliani, according to activists in Ukraine and others.

For one thing, Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption advocates who were pushing for an investigation into the dealings of Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevskiy, said the probe had been dormant long before Biden leveled his demand.

"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told   Bloomberg News in May.   "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.

Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.

Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.

"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.


Jim Jordan just pulled the rug out from under his own impeachment inquiry by claiming that these are the four "facts" that justify that inquiry. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    8 months ago
The first is Hunter Biden was put on the Burisma board. (Not an impeachable offense)

Second, he was put on that board with no qualifications. (Not an impeachable offense)

Third, Burisma, asked him, can you weigh in with DC to relieve the pressure we’re under from the prosecution, from the prosecutor here in Ukraine? (Not an impeachable offense)

And fourth, Joe Biden did just that. He leveraged our tax money to get the prosecutor fired. (FALSE)
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 months ago

Actually not impeachable, but then again we wouldn't impeach Hunter.

Maybe his dad when the investigations are complete..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    8 months ago

Jordan's not all that bright, thus he shot his impeachment inquiry in the foot with this interview. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    8 months ago

Maybe to you but some of us will wait until the investigations are complete.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 months ago

It is interesting that Jordan used these "facts" to justify impeachment, and not the allegations about money being siphoned to Biden from the Chinese, the Italians, or any other source. Jordan pins the impeachment on known falsehoods. What else can he do? 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    8 months ago
It is interesting that Jordan used these "facts" to justify impeachment

No, he used those facts to justify the inquiry.  I hope you know the difference between an inquiry and an impeachment.

Don't you want to know the truth?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    8 months ago

It is interesting you characterize an inquiry as an impeachment as though they are the same thing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.1    8 months ago
No, he used those facts to justify the inquiry. 

whoop de doo.

which of his four facts justify an impeachment inquiry? the first three certainly dont, and the fourth one is false. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.3    8 months ago

You can ignore it all you want.  I'm waiting until the investigation is complete before making any judgement but I want to know the truth.  There seems to be a good big of evidence that Hunter was lobbying his father.  If it was "only" selling the illusion of access then the investigation should bear that out.  If it's anything else I believe the American public deserve to know before the election.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 months ago

Jordan is a low IQ far right wing fascist. No wonder he supports Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.3    8 months ago

Another display of using the word wrong.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    8 months ago

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Gsquared
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1.3.3  Gsquared  replied to  cjcold @1.3    8 months ago
Jordan is a low IQ far right wing fascist.

You've got it exactly correct.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.4  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    8 months ago
Another display of using the word wrong.

another idiotic comment that evades the topic and attacks a member instead.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.4    8 months ago

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Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    8 months ago
Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

Yep and I have nice suspension Bridge connecting Michigans upper and lower peninsula’s that I can sell you.

Cheap …..

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

Lol. Did anyone read this and take it seriously?  

Here's a hint. Nothing in this undercuts that Burisma wanted Shokin fired, asked Hunter to help get him fired and Biden, who was in charge of American Ukrainian policy, pushed for his firing.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

It is your conclusions that are laughable. 

"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    8 months ago

You can't dispute those facts John and what other countries wanted have no bearing.  The French government doesn't dictate what America does.  

  Thanks to the House we know they are true. Burisma wanted him fired and asked Hunter to make it happen. 

That anyone can think that's appropriate is what's laughable. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    8 months ago

The far-right wing will lie about Biden every chance they get.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1.3  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @3.1.2    8 months ago

Why Perrie lets far right wing liars stay here is curious.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @3.1.3    8 months ago
Why Perrie lets far right wing liars stay here is curious

Probably for the same reasons she lets people misuse and abuse words.

You could always try asking her if truly interested.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @3.1.2    8 months ago
The far-right wing will lie about Biden every chance they get.

The left will ignore any bad news about Biden and pretend he is 100% right.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  cjcold @3.1.3    8 months ago

To offset the far left wing liars obviously.

Unfortunately since NT is a leftist site there is an definite imbalance favoring the left.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    8 months ago
Burisma wanted him fired and asked Hunter to make it happen.

None of that is inappropriate unless it was to derail an investigation or otherwise protect some personal Biden interest. But there doesn’t seem to be evidence in support of that.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.2  bbl-1  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor when confronted with evidence fled to Russia where he resides today.  And Burisma had nothing to do with anything.  All of these revelations occurred after the Ukraine elections.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2    8 months ago

He was corrupt and needed to go and that's the truth of the matter - which the CONServatives and republiCONS will never admit

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    8 months ago

Remember and never forget MANAFORT.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
4  bbl-1    8 months ago

Representative Jordan made a two-fold mis-quote, both of which are accurate.  First, the investigations are illegitimate.  And second, he is also illegitimate.  Dude is a genius, nailed two birds with one turd.

 
 

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