Report: Netanyahu refuses normalization with Saudi Arabia on condition that he discuss the establishment of a Palestinian state
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www.israelhayom.co.il /news/geopolitics/article/15680687
דיווח: נתניהו סירב לנורמליזציה עם סעודיה בתנאי שידון בהקמת מדינה פלשתינית | ישראל היום
Shahar Kleiman 2-3 minutes 5/1/2024
The Saudi website Elaph reported Wednesday evening, citing a senior American official, that Israel is losing Saudi Arabia . The official accused Netanyahu of rejecting an American proposal to discuss the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as part of a defense agreement between Riyadh and Washington and other bilateral treaties.
The U.S. official also said that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia were in the process of signing an unprecedented bilateral agreement that would guarantee Riyadh a joint defense treaty and extensive security arrangements. Those who will confront Iranian ambitions and other threats. It was also reported that Saudi Arabia had been promised to launch a (civilian) nuclear project on its soil with scientists and experts without foreign intervention.
The Saudi website also noted that Riyadh had agreed to normalization with Israel on condition of an agreement to establish a Palestinian state, on a path that would be "irreversible." The American official was quoted as saying that Netanyahu had not committed in any way to discuss the establishment of a Palestinian state or even to examine the details of the Arab initiative. According to the official, Netanyahu refused normalization under these conditions and demanded to sign an agreement with Saudi Arabia without any connection to the Palestinians.
Earlier this week, Israel Hayom reported that the US and Saudi Arabia may reach a bilateral agreement without the element of normalization with Israel . Among other things, they noted that for security guarantees, the Saudis may reward the Biden administration by increasing oil production, which would help lower the cost of living in the United States.
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Anti-semitism has been an aspect of the college anti-war protests, but it is not the reason for them.
The actions of the Netanyahu government are the bigger cause of the protests, and that reality is being lost .
Really, you think the protestors have a clue about the Palestinians when they are chanting "We are Hamas", "Intifada", and are circulating "Death to America" pamphlets?
These idiots need to do everyone a favor and learn about Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA. The three factions whose leaders care more about lining their pockets with Iranian, US, and Israeli money than actually helping the people they govern/control.
They are as big of an obstacle as Israel, US, and Iran to the Palestinians getting a state of their own.
I think it is preposterous to assume these protests began as anti-semitism.
What is Netanyahu's responsibility in all this ?
He's unwilling to move his people out of the area between the river and the sea.
I know you have a sincere sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians.
I just can't get over the fact that 72% of them think the October 7 attack on Israel was warranted.
No, Bibi is guilty of expanding illegal settlements in the West Bank massively.
Which is the reason that the border with Gaza was so ill staffed- they moved everyone to the West Bank. It made sense that Palestinians in the West Bank would attack. No attack from the West Bank came- but Israel cracked down even harder on them anyways after Oct 7.
Israel is just as guilty as Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA in all of this. It doesn't want a real Palestinian state- it never did. It has been taking actions to make sure a viable state never exists from the start.
The protestors are just too damn stupid to learn what they should be protesting about!
Their "enemy" isn't their fellow students, or even Jews. It is every faction I listed.
They can start by going to their Congressional critters and politicians and telling them all to fuck off until they actually hold all of the factions equally accountable and stop sending them US money, and military aid. It will be easy not funding Hamas and Hezbollah- but sanctions need to be put back in place against Iran to stop them from funding both.
Next they can demand that any institution they are a part of not do business with any of the entities involved. That includes the US government. Mass walk outs at Universities would be especially damaging. They lose their students- then they lose their grants, government subsidies, and everything else. They can also not work or buy anything from companies that are associated with any of the entities. It will be difficult; but no workers and no customers will get things done a hell of a lot faster than destroying property, threatening fellow US citizens and legal immigrants, and generally proving how fucking stupid they really are.
But all of that takes effort, organization, and even some or a lot of personal sacrifice and suffering. Not something these pathetic "protestors" care to do.
I can't get over the amount of expansion Israel has done in the West Bank. Or the crack down by the IDF there since Oct 7 that people just don't care about because Gaza is getting all of the coverage.
Funny how people react like all Palestinians are the same. The West Bank and Gaza are not connected. There is no free travel permitted between the two. Families living the West Bank and Gaza have not seen each other since 2006. They don't even have the same faction in charge. Gaza has Hamas which is funded by Iran; the West Bank has the PA that is funded by Israel and the US. The only thing that Hamas and the PA have in common is neither give a shit about the Palestinian people. The PA is more concerned about staying in power; and keeping the money flowing from the US and Israel. It wouldn't dream of attacking Israel; and is doing nothing to protect their people from the IDF and Israeli settles. If Israel wants land the PA abandons the area. Then Israel claims the Palestinians didn't want it and move in.
You site that 72% of Palestinians think Oct 7th was warranted? Try this one on for size.
Israel doesn't want a two state solution. Their people prove it with each and every election. How are Palestinians supposed to react to that?
In my college days I worked with a charity group that tried to get aid (food, medicine, and clothing) to the West Bank and Gaza. The hoops we had to jump through were insane. The Israeli government changed the rules on what goods could be sent, how they needed to be packaged and labeled, and always that they be sent to third parties in Israel (which charged insane amounts) first so they could be inspected and then shipped into the West Bank and Gaza (also at a high cost). I will never forget the day when my Palestinian friend and I receive a rejection letter from Israel after we tried to ship a box of US jeans to his extended family in the West Bank. Jeans were not on the list of restricted items; they were packaged and labeled properly; and we paid all of the fees. It was rejected and confiscated because they claimed the jeans could be cut up into bandages and rags. Denim bandages? What bleeding would they stop? The jeans were worth far more in the West Bank than cutting them up. Which is the reason we sent them. The family could sell or trade them for food, medicine, or other goods easily.
I won't bore anyone with the story of why I left the charity and changed my stance on sending aid to the Palestinians again. I will say it is the reason I blame all factions for the everything that has gone on since the Balfour Declaration. And that the US should stay the hell out of the most dysfunctional sandbox in the world.
I still stay in contact with my friend's family in the US. They lost close to 100 family members in Gaza- only 1 made it out; a nurse that was lucky enough to take care of a rich patient. She drew lots with her co workers to see who would accompany him crossing into Egypt. The family tried to get her US citizenship- should have been a no brainer- can speak Arabic and English; and nurses are in demand in the US. She was rejected; and Egypt wouldn't let her stay. Luckily the patient she took care of was moved to Qatar; and she was able to accompany him.
Now the family is working on getting as many members out of the West Bank as they can before the situation there becomes as bad as Gaza. I am willing to help them in small ways- I sign petitions; letters to congress critters; the State Department- etc. I don't give any money or time- that ship sailed when I left the charity. So far they have had no success. They are refusing to let 3 nieces here on educational grants return to the West Bank- and are trying to get them US citizenship. If they won't take a highly train nurse- I doubt they will take 3 foreign students. But I am willing to lend my name to their attempts.
Just to restate. I don't condone the protestors in any way shape or form. Their actions are doing nothing to help the Palestinians. They are making our enemies very happy though.
Maybe because that reality doesn't exist for the vast majority of them.
Kinda gets lost when you start echoing the calls of terrorists. The cause of these protests is a bunch of dumb kids not knowing anything about what they are protesting.
Exactly, the Netanyahu government has crossed the line no doubt, in ways that these other governments haven't:
why dont you seed articles about all those issues ?
This article is about Israel and the Palestinians, and Saudi Arabia.
It was several examples of other countries showing that Bebe isn't outside the norm.
Not many/any Jews in those other locations makes them unprotest worthy.
Please tell us all which of these entities does the US send billions in financial and military aid to every year?
None, as they aren’t useful investments.
I don't fault Netanyahu for not agreeing to a condition that even the USA has disagreed with in a speech to the UNGA.
Yes, how can Israel agree to the creation of a Palestinian state when the Palestine's refuse to agree to Israel's right to exist?
You got it!!!
where are all the netanyahu defenders ?
Doesn't need any help.
I don't have to choose and/or post whether or not to defend Netanyahu in order for me to defend Israel from whoever wants to destroy it and/or kill the Jews. Let the bleeding hearts deflect from what's REALLY important right now.
There is nothing he has done that needs defending. The Palestinians mostly approve of the actions of Hamas, and therefore don't deserve to have state of their own. Who would the leaders of such a state be?
For the me it would depend on guarantees that the Saudis would in no way shape or form fund terrorist operations within that new state, and would work directly with Israeli and US counter terrorism forces to deter any such actions. Which of course is something you absolutely cannot count on the Saudis to do.