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Half of Americans think Trump's guilty verdict was correct, should end campaign: POLL - ABC News

  
Via:  John Russell  •  6 months ago  •  35 comments

By:   ABC News

Half of Americans think Trump's guilty verdict was correct, should end campaign: POLL - ABC News
A plurality of Americans, 50%, think former President Donald Trump's guilty verdict on all 34 counts in his hush money trial was correct, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds, and almost as many, 49%, think he should end his 2024 presidential campaign over the result.

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47% say they think the charges against Trump were politically motivated.

ByIsabella MurrayJune 2, 2024, 9:01 AM

A plurality of Americans, 50%, think former President Donald Trump's guilty verdict on all 34 counts in his hush money trial was correct, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds, and almost as many, 49%, think he should end his 2024 presidential campaign over the result.

Still, following the historic criminal trial that ended this week in a first-ever conviction of a former president, Trump's favorability has remained stable at 31%, according to the latest ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted using Ipsos' KnowledgePanel. Trump was found guilty of 34 counts on Thursday in his trial related to falsifying business records regarding a payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election in order to keep her quiet about their alleged affair.

The former president has vowed to appeal, saying on Friday that "bad people" had levied the case - and charges- against him.

Former President and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump walks to speak to the press after he was convicted in his criminal trial at Manhattan Criminal Court in New York City, on May 30, 2024.Justin Lane/POOL/AFP via Getty Images

Forty-seven percent of Americans said they think the charges against Trump in this case were politically motivated, while 38% say they were not. At the same time, the slight majority at 51%, think Trump intentionally did something illegal in this case. Twelve percent think Trump did something wrong but not intentionally, and 19% believe he did not do anything wrong.

The proportion of Americans who say Trump should end his presidential campaign as a result of this verdict is 49%, which is similar to findings from an April 2023 ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted shortly after the Manhattan grand jury handed down the indictment against him in this case. In the April 2023 polls, 48% thought he should suspend his campaign because of the indictment.

Biden's favorability rating also remains low and unchanged, according to the new ABC News/Ipsos poll. His favorability rating currently stands at 32% compared to 33% in an ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted in March 2024. Public reaction to Trump's guilty verdict falls along partisan lines. For example, 83% of Democrats think the verdict was correct and 79% think he should end his campaign as a result, while only 16% of Republicans say the verdict was correct and the same percentage say he should end his presidential bid.

Because both Biden and Trump are broadly viewed unfavorably, the election could come down to independent voters, or even more specifically, those who dislike both candidates - sometimes referred to as double-haters.

President Joe Biden and former President Donald TrumpGetty Images

A majority of Independents think Trump's verdict was correct, 52%, and the same amount believe that he should end his candidacy. For double-haters, those reactions are even more pronounced -- 65% of Americans who view both Trump and Biden unfavorably think the verdict this week was correct, with 67% believing Trump should end his presidential campaign.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 months ago

Its not going to get any better. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

Not for the Democrats it isn't, you're right about that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

Seems like nobody is going to be happy with what may transpire - so I have a solution for you Americans.  Give the USA back to the UK as a colony.  You'll have a King Charles III instead of an Emperor Trump or a Walking Dead Biden as Head of State, and you can rename the two houses to be Parliament and House of Louds (that's not a typo).  

 
 
 
shona1
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1.2.1  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    6 months ago

Arvo..nahh I don't think even the Brits would want them..the UK have enough of their own problems at the moment..

We might take them in..umm second thoughts nahh we have got superior convict blood lines and Vegemite..leave them where they are..but they can have King Chuck though..😁

Not wrong though one is ready to croak, and the other you could choke..great options..🙄🙄

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @1.2.1    6 months ago

Good analysis - choke or croak - take your choice on Nov 5.

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    6 months ago

Yes, but then, what in the hell is the matter with then other half? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @2    6 months ago

Blind tribalism.  It causes temporary mental illness and the inability to interpret State statutes or concepts like RICO;

It causes normally likeable people to project their candidate's personality, actions and shortcomings on to the other candidate without a shred of proof.

It's almost like a form of political dementia.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @2.1    6 months ago

Is that why most Dems blindly support Biden, arguably the worst president in our history?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.1    6 months ago

Anyone trying to make that argument would lose, hands down, every time.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.1    6 months ago
Is that why most Dems blindly support Biden,

If that is your basis for reality, you are very, very lost.  No one I know blindly supports Biden.

My family is predominately Roman Catholic and runs the course from traveling the country with Nuns on a Bus fighting abortion to the excommunicated. The rest of the family is Jewish and deeply divided by Gaza.

No one supports everything Biden does or doesn't do.

arguably the worst president in our history?

You have arguably been born well after the worst POTUSs in US history.

You have lived through the decline of horses and the rise of automobiles.

Your expectations include hot and cold running water, reliable electric, uninterrupted internet.

You have all of that and more.

Biden is just another moderate politician trying to clean up both what was left to him by his predecessor as well as by the previous Administrations.

My employer is a shameless and racist Trumper, he was certain his 35 year old company was going to go under and it would all be black Obama's fault. Nothing untoward happened and the company just lumbered along adding to his saved millions.  He was certain on day one of the Trump Administration that we were all going to be collectively made rich or richer...didn't happen.

He cried when Biden won.  We agreed not to talk politics at all any more.  The company is currently doing about 300% of what it did three years ago and has set new sales records almost every month for 36 months.

And it isn't Biden's fault or credit any more than their past success or lack of success were the result of whose ass sat in the Oval office prior to Biden.

That's reality.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    6 months ago

47% say they think the charges against Trump were politically motivated.

Biden's democracy.  He'll destroy every institution to maintain power. I'd say it sounds exactly like someone else,  but Trump didn't stoop to charging  his political enemies with invented crimes. 

47% of the country (correctly)  believes Democrats abused the justice system for political score settling. 38% of the country somehow believe they didn't.  Things are going to worse before they get better. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    6 months ago

I have had it with all the Trump excusers horseshit. 

He tried to overthrow our govermnent. 

I dont care if they get his ass for throwing a gum wrapper on the sidewalk. 

If the other trials were going forward before the election we wouldnt have to take whatever we can get.

Fuck Trump and all his fans. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    6 months ago
have had it with all the Trump excusers horseshit

What did you think was going to happen when a partisan  Democratic Attorney in a democratic jurisdiction with the assistance of a partisan judge  brought charges he'd never bring against anyone else to get Trump. That people would say "Gee, it's okay to violate norms because we don't like Trump." 

Charge Trump with a crime that others would be and have been charged for and people will buy in.  Signaling him out and treating him differently just destroys faith in the system.  

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    6 months ago

Not prosecuting Trump would be treating him differently...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    6 months ago

Charge Trump with a crime that others would be and have been charged for and people will buy in.  Signaling him out and treating him differently just destroys faith in the system.  

So trump is the first person in history to be tried for financial crimes? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.3    6 months ago
p is the first person in history to be tried for financial crimes?

He wasn't charged for financial crimes.

By all means, there have been thousands of violations of FECA.  Find one time a state prosecutor used a federal election crime as a predicate for a state charge. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    6 months ago
ot prosecuting Trump would be treating him differently...

Lol . Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing

n 2016, Hillary Clinton’s campaign was fined $8,000 for violating federal campaign finance laws. Why? Her team falsely reported the funding of the Steele Dossier as “legal services” and “legal and compliance consulting.” Actually this “opposition research” was an attempt to smear her opponent with false and salacious allegations. Obviously, it was also intended to influence the 2016 election. Moreover, Hillary’s campaign was headquartered in New York State (out of Brooklyn, NY), which would make it fall under the jurisdiction of New York Penal Law §175.10, the state law which makes it a felony to falsify business records with the intent to conceal the commission of a crime. What is the key distinction between Hillary’s campaign violation versus recent news? With Hillary’s violation, there wasn’t a Manhattan prosecutor politically motivated to bring an unprecedented case to trial.  x

When she is charged with dozens of felonies for that, you can claim Trump is being treated fairly. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.5    6 months ago
Lol . Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing

Well, they had reason to charge her, so why didn't they? You saying the right wing fell down on the job? No charges, no crime, sorry! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    6 months ago
He wasn't charged for financial crimes.

Falsifying business records... 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    6 months ago

All this fuss and nonsense for what amounts to an accounting error? 

Guilty of some obscure "crime" that was never defined?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    6 months ago
All this fuss and nonsense for what amounts to an accounting error? 

That is what you think took place?   Seriously?   Do you really want to portray yourself as not understanding this case any better than that?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    6 months ago
All this fuss and nonsense for what amounts to an accounting error?

An accounting error is an accounting entry that was not intentional.  The fraud committed by Trump and his co-conspirators was obviously not accidental.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    6 months ago
Charge Trump with a crime that others would be and have been charged for and people will buy in.

He could shoot you in the middle of 5th avenue and his followers would say "so what" ?  

The sad part is I think you know that. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    6 months ago
All this fuss and nonsense for what amounts to an accounting error? 

It was done intentionally, Greg. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.6    6 months ago
d reason to charge her, so why didn't they? You saying the right wing fell down on the job? No charges, no crime, sorry

Are you unfamiliar with the city and state of New York?

Take a guess why the "right wing" didn't indict her in Brooklyn? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.9    6 months ago
hat is what you think took place

That's all that happened. He classified a campaign expense (even though the FEC agreed with him that it is not a campaign expense) as a legal expense.  That's it. From that molehill, the biased prosecutor and the judge turned two misdemeanors into 34 felonies. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.15  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.14    6 months ago

No, Sean, this was not a mere accounting mistake.   To what end do you make such ridiculous arguments?   

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.15    6 months ago
this was not a mere accounting mistake.   To what end do you make such ridiculous arguments

classified a campaign expense (even though the FEC agreed with him that it is not a campaign expense) as a legal expense.  That's it. From that molehill, the biased prosecutor and the judge turned two misdemeanors into 34 felonies. 

That is literally  what happened.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.16    6 months ago
That is literally  what happened.

Bernie Madoff put the wrong numbers down in his financial records.    His trial was rigged!   A sham!

256

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.17    6 months ago
t the wrong numbers down in his financial records.    His trial was rigged!   A sham!

Not a great attempt. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4  TᵢG    6 months ago
A plurality of Americans, 50%, think former President Donald Trump's guilty verdict on all 34 counts in his hush money trial was correct, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds, and almost as many, 49%, think he should end his 2024 presidential campaign over the result.

If only ...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    6 months ago

Some on the left are loath to admit this abuse of our legal system was a rigged scam, for the various reasons laid out in other commentaries, including the legal opinions of many democrats. A blatant political persecution and attempted election interference.

The lefties appear to believe that half the country's electorate are uneducated rubes that can't see through all the bullshit that transpired in this case. It's doubtful that this travesty changed many votes, but it is starting to appear that the dems have made a martyr out of Trump and will suffer the consequences in November.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @5    6 months ago
Some on the left are loath to admit this abuse of our legal system was a rigged scam, 

They found a statute with no limitations which forbade falsifying business records. They found the evidence, they prosecuted

and not one of the jurors could say there was reasonable doubt in 34 instances.

for the various reasons laid out in other commentaries,

not in evidence

including the legal opinions of many democrats.

That carries the same weight as many Republicans...nothing.  Just opinions.

A blatant political persecution and attempted election interference.

Just another opinion.

The lefties appear to believe that half the country's electorate are uneducated rubes that can't see through all the bullshit that transpired in this case.

A good portion of the country was educated about Trump's lack of character and "do absolutely anything to win" lack of morals.

It's doubtful that this travesty changed many votes,

It will consolidate the Trump core and erode Reagan Republicans and independents causing them to not vote at all or to vote  for Biden.

but it is starting to appear that the dems have made a martyr out of Trump and will suffer the consequences in November.

He's only a martyr to the core that wants a dictator with no moral scruples or accountability.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.1  CB  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    6 months ago

Thank you for a balanced analysis! : )

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  seeder  JohnRussell    6 months ago

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