What Do Conservatives Have Against Democracy?
I was tempted to title this article "Why Do Conservatives Hate Democracy"? but decided to give them a tad more leeway to explain themselves.
"Democracy" , as we understand it in the U.S., is our leaders are put in office by a "one man one vote" system of elections.
In the past 10 years conservatives have turned their back on that concept. There have been recent news reports indicating that the majority of the folks we call "MAGA" will consider the 2024 election illegitimate unless Donald Trump wins. It is baked in their cake that Trump cannot lose a fair election. The stone cold obvious similarity between that belief and the post 2020 election period is unmistakable. There is nothing new under the MAGA sun.
There are also reports that there will be a litmus test for gaining a position in a second Trump administration - in order to be considered they will have to agree that the 2020 election was stolen.
Taken as a whole, MAGA conservatives do not believe in the results of elections (unless the MAGA candidate wins). This is by nature anti-democratic small d.
Trumpsters have been offered time after time the opportunity to state unequivocally what evidence they have that the 2020 election was stolen, and there is nothing. "There was too much mail in voting" is not evidence. The fact that some states changed the timing of their vote counting, due to more mail in voting because of covid, is not evidence.
Evidence is something that shows that tens of thousands of votes in swing states were counted from people who were not eligible to vote. The evidence of that is utterly non existent.
We know that Trump hates democracy, and he has dragged a sizable part of the American population into that deranged abyss with him.
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No sale John.
I'm the biggest Trump supporter alive and you may have noted that I never said the 2020 election was stolen. There was a lot of interference by democrats, but stolen no.
I hope Biden has more than that tomorrow night.
'A lot of interference by Democrats'
You have said, repeatedly, that it was rigged.
Do you have any proof of that other than your wishful thinking and desire to correlate with what Trump thinks?
Mail in voting , absent of proof that people who are not eligible to vote had their votes counted, is NOT evidence of "rigging" or "stealing".
Over 3 and a half years later Trump is still claiming the election was stolen from him. Not occasionally, but a few times every week.
Is he mentally ill or are his followers ?
It is too bad that you would make such an outrageous claim.
For example?
You seem to forget the FBI and the CIA actively suppressed the Hunter Biden Laptop.
Didn't they get 51 "former Intelligence" officials to claim the Hunter Laptop looked like Russian disinformation? (Trump talked about it during the debate)
Didn't they get social media to censor the Hunter laptop story?
The FBI had it they knew it was real.
How about a democrat lawyer going around the battleground states and getting those jurisdictions to permit widespread absentee voting?
How about Mark Zuckerberg finding a way for private entities to donate millions of dollars to fund the official government vote-counts in the 2020 elections. Allowing private individuals and companies to fund official election practices may open the door to corruption because many of the Zuckerberg operatives were highly ideological. Eventually, there will be a law against what he did in the 2020 election.
All of the above is election interference. I have never said there was fraud in the 2020 election. If you look back you'll see that I said that once the votes are counted it is silly to look for fraud because it is too late to find it.
It is not what conservatives have against democracy. I think it's more like what they have against Democrats.😉
And there is a long list.
First, I don’t see how. Without some kind of direct evidence that the process or results were altered, all we have is opinion and politically inspired dogma.
Second, many things can influence an election, and there’s nothing legally wrong with that unless the methods used are criminal (see: Trump’s New York trial.)
Then I guess Trump was unfairly convicted.
Thank you, sir.
No, you misunderstand the case. He was factually guilty of falsifying business records. It was a felony because he did so in the attempt to interfere with the election through unlawful means - either by violating state tax law, federal tax law, and/or state election law. The fact that he was unsuccessful in changing the outcome of the election is not relevant. If he had been successful, that would have likely been an additional charge.
There most certainly is.
Democracy? Who needs a damned democracy when a 'benevolent' plutocrat is available.
Who?
Kelly Loeffler ... ? (smirk)
Call me dumb but who is she? I know...I could google it
I vaguely remember her
Despite our numerated founding principles MAGA believe our founders intended for dominant white males to own everything and rule over all!
Easy. It gets in the way of them imposing their beliefs on everyone else.
Trump is currently telling people that he cannot lose this election because he is "ahead in every poll".
Hmm, that is not true, but even if it were , it is June, and he is ahead a point or so.
But without doubt there are millions of braindead cultists who think he is exactly correct, and are planning accordingly. And people think we are not in trouble ?
That's what he said last time, too.
I'm not sure if this article is hypocrisy of the highest order, or simple projection. Which party is trying to ban people from ballots? Which party is trying to keep third party candidates off the ballot. it sure isn't conservatives.
Can Donald Trump lose the 2024 election unless it was stolen from him? Yes or no.
Absolutely!!! he can lose it as completely as he lost the last election. It wasn't stolen, it wasn't rigged, it was simply won by a more likeable candidate.
Now that we have covered your deflection attempt, who is trying to destroy democracy by removing choices from the ballot?
I wrote the article, I cannot deflect from it.
The attempt by a few to remove Trump from state ballots has nothing to do with what I wrote.
The attempt by democrats to remove not just trump but 3rd party candidate undermining democracy.
Democrats ramp up efforts to block RFK Jr. from appearing on ballots across the nation (msn.com)
So why do democrats hate democracy John?
Anyone who wants to can vote for RFK Jr.
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2024 election has not been held yet. Being that I am psychotic and not psychic, I cannot answer your question at this time.
Who is trying everything they can to split the democrat vote?
I and others see through this tactic.
The conservative strategy is usually to make it harder for people to vote.
1. It's contrary to their natural authoritarian instincts.
2. They don't always win.
Who were the election deniers before Trump.
Al Gore, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. Every last one of them Democrats.
Hillary even told Joe not to concede in 2020 if he lost.
It's contrary to their natural authoritarian instinct
what a stupid comment, where to even start given the lefts outrage over the court granting jury trials to defendants and limiting the power of unelected bureaucrats from imposing laws on their own say so, But how anyone could claim that given laptop censorship campaign mounted by the Democratic Party in conjunction with media corporations and intelligence officials, to suppress information from voters is beyond me,. After the Kim jong Like Biden worship campaign crediting him with all sorts of abilities he clearly doesn’t have, it can only be projectio.
Comment 7.3 above is without question one of the most idiotic, and least coherent, comments anyone has posted on here in a very long time. Not only does it read like bilious and demented ravings, it is completely truth deprived. The best that can be said for it is that it's a feeble attempt to replicate Neo-Fascist propaganda. How pathetic.
Comment 7.3.1 is ignorant drivel matching Comment 7.3.
Comment 7.3.3 displays an outrageous and egregious level of denial.
Let’s see, we could add factitious, pernicious, pretentious……
The projection is strong in your comment.
Your comment is provably counterfactual and a manifestation of obviously very deep confusion. Put simply, it's ridiculous. Sad, very sad.
Proof? Lets see it. Otherwise your comment is useless conjecture. Which would be ….. really sad.
As usual, Dems show that they are preparing to lose, and lose bigly.
When Trump wins reelection, the left will say it was rigged, or Russia had something to do with it, or millions of voters were duped or stupid, etc., etc., just like in 2016. The first thing they will do is call for his impeachment. We've heard it all before numerous times and it gets boring as hell
Sure Greg, just like in 2020? LOL
Meh ... Typical liberal screed.
You know, majority rule is about the majority being responsible for everything. Democracy is much, much more than 'one pronoun, one vote'. Democracy is about more than just electing scapegoats to excuse the shirkers. Sitting back and expecting institutions to take care of you is NOT democracy. Expecting a college to give you a degree and a happy life is not democracy. Expecting cops to risk their lives to keep you safe is not democracy. In a democracy those who fight to protect you must be protected by you; there's no conscientious objectors in a democracy.
Democracy means you are the police, you are the soldier, you are the doctor, you are the nurse, you are the teacher, you are the priest ...
What???????????????????????????????
“…there's no conscientious objectors in a democracy.”
That is simply ridiculous.
Through civil discourse and knowing that we could do better has been the historical engine that encourages positive change. That is the difference between an autocracy and democracy.
We all have a voice, as is guaranteed, and that includes those voices that challenge us to be better.
It's not a binary choice; democracy or autocracy. That's why we are a republic. A representative republic means that one person's vote must represent more than oneself because we do not all have a voice.
The claims of democracy only provides an excuse for the winners to deny the losers a voice. Democracy has never been about equality or freedom.
What?????????????????????????????????????
“Democracy has never been about equality or freedom.”
Not sure of the reference material used to form such a response, but rest assured it is more reactionary and less historically accurate. Words can always be parsed, but the reality remains.
Can we be better? Of course. But to diminish the importance and promise of our foundation is to make an argument built on shifting sands.
2024 election has not been held yet. Being that I am psychotic and not psychic, I cannot answer your question at this time.
I love it when folks who have never served this country one second in their life, question the patriotism of those who have.
President Biden has over forty years of honorable service to America...
Honorable is debatable but he’s been a politician going on 52 years. In your opinion, what years did he not serve honorably?
And conversely, it is just wrong to question the patriotism of those that have not served in the military.
Having worn a uniform, while certainly noble, does not by itself a better American make.
A unneeded deflection as I agree if no other cause present to do so.
Service other than self is one of the most noble pursuits one can take and clearly makes America better than if one does nothing. So I guess what I’m saying is … i disagree.
Completely
“Service…”
There are many, many ways to serve your community and your country outside of the military.
To make it a somehow lesser form of patriotism is to discount all the positive things that occur by the second in making us better. And by and large, those gladly giving of their time, energy, and money do so with gratitude and don’t feel a need to wear it on their sleeve.
Hmmm....there's a certain faction around here that they don't care if you wore a uniform if you're even slightly left of center.
My patriotism has been questioned even tho I served in the military
“My patriotism has been questioned even tho I served in the military”
It is that disconnect that is most confusing. To serve in the military is to understand one does so to allow all of us, all of us, to live in a country where freedom reigns. Even if that means we don’t always agree. To think anything else is to diminish their service and becomes self-serving.
And thank you, Trout…and you too, Sparty, and all those unnamed for your service.
Sparty, I thank U for your Service, but that does NOT make one more p[atriotic than another.
Especially when you arte constantly left defending the most unpatriotic POS this country has ever elected, cause 45 is one heaping giant serving of a bullshit spreading Jive turkey LIAR, that we, as in US, aint deserving, of heavy pants on fire 'man/boy' who has maid this country dire and not a fan/boy, as prefer AC, and Trump fckd over many, many there as well, plus, asz we heard about when Trump was in court, his fat ass does smell.
You are worth it
And I do my best to do my tiny part to make things just a little bit better, and to honor the sacrifices of all those who made it possible…family, teachers, friends, and service members.
Thank you for the kindest words imaginable.
I read that somwhere. Someone asked a veteran what she says when someone thanks her for her service, she says you're worth it.
You're welcom
That's awesome.........
It is. So I stole it. lol
I never said it did but questioning a Vets patriotism based simply on who they vote is asinine.
Yawn …..
Yes, the hate is strong in these ones. Look no further than comments made here for reams of empirical data
I’m not a fan of questioning anyone’s patriotism (or religious faith). I’m pretty sure that’s a personal attack, every time.
However, wearing a uniform is no guarantee of patriotism. People join the military for many reasons aside from patriotism. For many, it’s just a job, or a path to college or some other career.
Conversely, many people who never join the military are very patriotic and find other ways to serve. Neither of these choices makes one a better person - or American - than the other.
Yeah...how about that?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, there are people who served their country in the military who are now working to disrupt our democracy, the ex military who participated in J6 are one but not the only example.
Are those people "patriotic" simply on the basis of having served in the military?
They didn't understand the words of the oath they took or they didn;t pay attention in Problems of Democracy class
Your fail here is the width of the brush you’re painting with. I won’t bore you by pointing the same is true of many who never served.
Your anti military tenor is noted though. Good job!
LOL. I havent said one word that is anti military.
Opinions do vary …. Greatly in this case.
Greatly
Meh, you have to acknowledge that people in both parties complain that shenanigans of some type caused them or their allies to lose an election. I’m not sure anyone does it as relentlessly as Trump, but there is actually plenty of baseless complaining to go around.
oh, yeah. I remember the 2016 election. I felt sure some tomfoolery was afoot. That was my anger speaking. I accepted the results....eventually
When I heard I wanted to cry but didn't. Moved on pretty quickly though I felt the same way about the tomfoolery
This from the Perry that spent years insisting an 80 year old man was as sharp as he ever was and insisted that voters disbelieve their eyes and ears until it all came crashing down when the president struggled to form complete sentences on a debate stage. Just the latest of their many campaigns to gaslight the American people that have been exposed.