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Donald Trump Has One Debate Mode: Bullying

  
Via:  John Russell  •  5 months ago  •  98 comments

By:   Philip Elliott (TIME)

Donald Trump Has One Debate Mode: Bullying
During debates, Trump often turns meanest when cornered. The examples are not hard to find.

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By Philip ElliottJune 26, 2024 7:00 AM EDT

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Like most bullies, Donald Trump is a deeply insecure man. You can see it at moments of tremendous consequence and those where the stakes are clear only in his own mind. It's apparent whenever anyone dares to challenge him with questions he cannot simply spin away with his razzle-dazzle showmanship. And when he feels backed into a corner, there's a good chance he will lash out with every ounce of viciousness held in reserve, counting on the shock to overtake substance. It's how, either during past debates or soon after less-than-stellar ones, Trump spoke openly about Hillary Clinton's bathroom rituals, moderator Megyn Kelly's reproductive system, and even the size of his own genitalia.

Because if everyone else is diminished in perceived standing, that only stands to build up the foul-mouthed Trump by comparison. Trump doesn't have to win any part of the arguments if everyone else has already lost them just by participating.

It's been more than eight years since Trump first set foot on a debate stage as a presidential candidate. Through the slog of the 2016 primary, to one-on-one matchups with a former Secretary of State and a former Vice President, Trump's behavior has veered from playful and rakish to angry and unhinged. But the general throughline—beyond the perpetual lying—has been his inclination to retreat to bullying whenever he feels even remotely threatened. This is the Trump that uses his precious little debate time to call Hillary Clinton "a nasty woman," and "the devil," or belittle Joe Biden with jabs like "you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class."

And it's the Trump we are likely to see at least glimpses of on Thursday. The former President has been bragging about his indifference to preparing for the evening, telling audiences that Biden has holed-up in a log cabin to rest up, is loaded up on performance-enhancing drugs, and getting favorable treatment already from debate moderators with CNN. (Biden is at the presidential retreat of Camp David in Maryland and has shown no indications of juicing or winning help from a network who negotiated the debate terms with reps from both campaigns.) Trump is trying to bully Biden even before the studio lights go up. Which is what Trump has done with shocking consistency, treating these hallowed events like jam sessions where he riffs on themes and variations of his meandering rally monologues, throwing rivals for a loop.

As a first-time candidate in the 2016 cycle, he barely engaged in any debate prep. Instead aides were tasked with making him feel comfortable. After consistent schedule changes to strike formal prep from the books, his campaign team essentially had to trick Trump into doing debate prep in small bursts, occasionally over lunch—until he caught onto what was happening. The goal, according to various memoirs and numerous deft books about the era, was to keep Trump happy because a cranky candidate was one who felt insecure and could say anything.

That was what arguably "worked" for Trump for a long time, as millions of viewers tuned into the debates in 2016 to see what wild things Trump would say next.

When it came time to face Clinton in that cycle's head-to-head debates, Trump reached for everything in a bully's back pocket to try to intimidate her—including invading her physical space, an experience every woman watching immediately recognized for what it was. He also tried to bring women who had alleged sexual relationships with former President Bill Clinton into the debate hall. (They were barred.) His vow to jail the former Secretary of State for some never-fully-explained crimes drew mild horror. Clinton's demolition of Trump's house of cards was devastating and his responses were disasters by objective standards of decorum.

Yet Trump was still the victor on Election Day, a reminder that "winning" or "losing" a debate doesn't always correspond with how voters ultimately behave.

Four years later, as a President struggling to guide the country through a pandemic, Trump acquiesced to a semblance of debate prep before facing Joe Biden. Still, he did just about everything he could to dodge the sessions in which his sparring partner, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, was hammering him and making him stammer. (In an only-in-Trump World twist, Christie would contract Covid-19 during one such visit to D.C.; Christie said it was certainly from Trump.)

Ultimately, per Michael C. Bender's book about the 2020 campaign, Trump joined 11 debate prep sessions, although aides were perpetually frustrated that the boss was spending more time on his golf courses than in tutorials. They also were not sure that Trump fully appreciated their opponent or the frustration of voters who didn't spend hours in line to attend his super-spreader rallies.

Trump's first debate with Biden was ultimately seen through a belligerent Trump's constant interruptions, and Biden's now infamous plea to the President: "Will you shut up, man?" This was also the debate where Trump, pressed to denounce white supremacists and military groups, responded with, "Proud Boys—stand back and stand by."

Days later,Trump disclosed he had Covid. (A former White House aide later claimed that Trump had tested positive ahead of the debate and the forum's moderator openly theorized that Trump brought the virus into the studio.) For safety's sake, organizers proposed turning the second debate of that year into a virtual one. Trump refused to participate and, instead, Trump and Biden held dueling town hall-style meetings. During his, Trump tried to interrupt and cower NBC News' Savannah Guthrie. The skilled anchor and former white-collar litigator was having none of it, boxing Trump into a corner when he refused to condemn conspiracy theories he had re-upped using what was then Twitter. It was a signal that Trump, when confronted with a fast pace, digs in and denies—often to his detriment.

Finally, during their second debate—the last time the two men have spoken to one another was that evening in October of 2020—things seemed to smooth out. (A mute button did a lot of the heavy lifting to force a wait-your-turn dynamic; it will return on Thursday.) Trump finally took the task seriously and gave answers that may have helped ease the nerves of skittish GOP voters and swayed some undecided independents. But that final debate was on Oct. 22, after 40 million Americans had already cast their ballots, a point advisers to the Trump campaign still bemoan. Thursday's debate, on the other hand, is coming before either man officially becomes the nominee.

The mutual enmity between the current president and his predecessor will naturally color the tone and substance of whatever unfolds Thursday evening in an Atlanta TV studio. The two oldest nominees in U.S. history are also some of the most dissimilar contenders for another four years in a job both have now done. What remains unknown is if Trump realizes just how much he has already accomplished in politics and decides to ditch the chip on his shoulder. It would be welcome, though completely disorienting, if Trump were to treat Biden like a worthy equal, but the schoolyard snarl is kind of Trump's established default. Even so, it is never too late to grow up.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago
Because if everyone else is diminished in perceived standing, that only stands to build up the foul-mouthed Trump by comparison. Trump doesn't have to win any part of the arguments if everyone else has already lost them just by participating. It's been more than eight years since Trump first set foot on a debate stage as a presidential candidate. Through the slog of the 2016 primary, to one-on-one matchups with a former Secretary of State and a former Vice President, Trump's behavior has veered from playful and rakish to angry and unhinged.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago
Because if everyone else is diminished in perceived standing, that only stands to build up the foul-mouthed Trump by comparison. Trump doesn't have to win any part of the arguments if everyone else has already lost them just by participating. It's been more than eight years since Trump first set foot on a debate stage as a presidential candidate. Through the slog of the 2016 primary, to one-on-one matchups with a former Secretary of State and a former Vice President, Trump's behavior has veered from playful and rakish to angry and unhinged.

It was Joe Biden who threw personal insults.  Trump attacked Biden's record and actions as President; that's normal for political campaigns.  It was Biden who attacked Trump's character, motives, personal appearance, and morality.

Biden tried to be the bully, in typical Democrat fashion, but completely and utterly failed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1    5 months ago

You know what, that is the way it went.

As a matter of fact, once Trump realized that the timing of whatever they gave Biden hadn't kicked in yet, he kind of relaxed a bit.

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    5 months ago

I expect President Biden will be honest, decent and Presidential...

And,Trump will behave badly and tell a hell of a lot of whoppers!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2    5 months ago
I expect President Biden will be honest, decent and Presidential...

They need more than a week prepping him if they are hoping for any of that.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1    5 months ago

Nah, they have it all figured out...

256

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    5 months ago

Biden is not known for being honest and decent or being the least bit presidential. 

He's very likely to look weak, angry, and confused. Trump's best strategy would be to quietly sit back and let Biden destroy himself for 90 minutes.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @3    5 months ago

Interesting article on this today where they showed that in the last 11 events where Biden spoke, only three of them were for more than 30 minutes and the remaining eight were less than 30 minutes. People will be watching his stamina for a 90 minute event.

President Biden   spoke for a maximum of 33 minutes and clocked in at well under half an hour during the majority of the 11 campaign rallies this year at which he gave a solo address – performances that are at odds with the White House's portrayal of the president's stamina and that contrast sharply with the numerous lengthy orations delivered by Biden's 2024 rival: former President Trump.

Biden spoke for more than 30 minutes on just three occasions during the 11 rallies in 2024 examined by Fox News Digital. Rallies are defined as campaign events at which Biden took the stage alone, stood in front of a podium and was joined by cheering supporters, as opposed to intimate campaign stops, fundraising events, or the brief remarks he has made while carrying out his duties as president.

All three rallies at which he spoke for more than 30 minutes occurred during the first two months of 2024. He spoke for 33 minutes at a rally in Blue Bell, Pennsylvania, in January; for about 32 minutes during a rally at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in South Carolina, also in January; and for 32 minutes during a North Las Vegas rally in February. 

Most Biden rally appearances are shorter than a sitcom, helping fuel stamina concerns | Fox News

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3    5 months ago

The projection.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4  Robert in Ohio    5 months ago

John

I agree with you that Trump's modus operandi in debates (hell in every day life) i the role of self serving bully and the Biden administration sincerely hopes that persona will appear on stage tonight.

If it does - it is very good for Pres Biden

If it does not - it is very, very bad for Pres Biden

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    5 months ago

As long as Trump has people who will cheer him for being "reasonable" or "polite" tonight but will also cheer him going back to being the world biggest jackass tomorrow he has nothing to lose by being "polite" tonight. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    5 months ago

So, very good for Biden if Trump is his normal buffoonish self, but “very, very” bad if he is not?  Why?  Nothing is going to change the fact that Trump knows hardly anything about government, history, geography, geopolitics, or anything else required of a functional commander in chief?  Why are you sooooo biased?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2    5 months ago

Neither does Biden- he has proven it repeatedly with his unConstitutional student loan forgiveness; and renters/home owners debt forgiveness. The Supreme Court ruled against him both times- yet he persisted in reinstating them by simply using another federal government department.

Worse yet Biden doesn't even know his own family history. He simply makes shit up and the media sycophants and Democrat lemmings lap it up. "Joe being Joe" is the most harsh criticism that he will get from the left.

Real question is why are you so biased?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4.2.2  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2    5 months ago

Hal

From your comment, it seems you did not even read or understand what I said in my comment.

Try reading it again.

I said the exact opposite of what you imply

And now with hindsight, while Trump was only slightly more behaved than his normal bully mode, President Biden performed so poorly that he was unable to take advantage of that churlish, bullying manner.

I am not biased (as John has made me see, I am a "neither sider" when it comes to Biden and Trump - the debate was somewhere between a Jerry Springer reality hour and a segment of Jackass.

Neither of the participants looked the least bit presidential during the debate

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    5 months ago

'very, very bad for President Biden'

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Very, very easy to judge President Biden yet hold #34 to absolutely no standards whatsoever

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Robert in Ohio
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4.3.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.3    5 months ago

Not what I did at all, I merely spoke about the manner that Trump normally presents (a bully) and the fact that it would not be a good look for him in the debate.

The results of the debate were that Trump was largely able to maintain composure (still told some whoppers) but alas Pres Biden imploded right before the American people.

And by the way, you are always "throwing shade" at #34 and I would like you to explain why you are so upset with President Eisenhower (34th President of the U.S) whenever you are discussing President Trump.

I have always looked at Pres Eisenhower as a great general, a honorable man and an excellent president.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.3.1    5 months ago

Stop pretending you don't know what I mean when I refer to the convicted felon as #34.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4.3.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    5 months ago

And yet it continues to be true that #34 in presidential parlance is Dwight D Eisenhower and I am still unsure why you are so upset with a man that has been decade for multiple decades

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.3.3    5 months ago

Why do you keep pretending to not know that I'm referring to the former 'president' as #34 who has been convicted of 34 felonies.

It's stupid.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4.3.5  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.4    5 months ago

Tessy

I would never call you stupid, but it is typical to refer to Presidents by their number in the order of presidents

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.3.5    5 months ago

You pretend to not understand what I'm saying over and over again.  It's stupid.  

I prefer to refer to the former 'president' by the number of felonies he has been convicted of.  I'm tired of you pretending and then telling me what is typical.

I will do and say what I please so buzz off.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5  Robert in Ohio    5 months ago

Well the debate results are in and everything that Pres Biden didn't want to do - he did and Trump remained reasonably non bullying simply letting Biden ramble and then responding in kind to personal attacks by the President.

Clear winner Trump

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    5 months ago

I used to think you had some credibility.  That ship has sailed.  Apparently you have become blind to malignant narcissism and obviously uninformed nature of Trump.  That is sad.  Yes, Biden did not shine, but Trump is about as appealing as a dirty lump of coal.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    5 months ago

To give Trump any sort of compliment on his debate performance is to admit that you are indeed a Trump supporter.  His performance was exactly as bad as anyone could have predicted based on his past performance.  To normalized that trash is repulsive.  You’d know a lot about that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1.2    5 months ago

What is there to compliment on a lying thieving scummy turd loser?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1    5 months ago

Truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    5 months ago

Plus agreed 100%

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1    5 months ago
then responding in kind to personal attacks by the President.

that is taking alternate reality to a whole new level

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.8  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.1    5 months ago

Hal

"Biden did not shine"

That is such an understatement as to be a lie, he proved himself totally inadequate to the situation and millions of people watched him do it.

I totally agree that Trump should never be President, but I am starting to think that Biden as the D candidate is not the way to insure that he is not elected.

I have never been blind to Trump's inadequacies, but neither am I blind to Biden's inadequacies which apparently you are.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.8    5 months ago
then responding in kind to personal attacks by the President.

This is a ridiculous comment that you should re-iterate in a more perceptive way. Your comment suggests Trump only retaliated when he was wronged by Biden, and he otherwise would have been calm and reasonable. That is alternate reality of the highest degree. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.10  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.9    5 months ago

John

Pres Biden made personal attacks and Pres Trump responded with personal attacks - that is a fact that does not need to be reiterated in a more perceptive manner.  

We both knew before the debate that Trump should not be President and now after the debate unless you are totally blind to Biden's faults, we both know that neither of them should be President

Just because you disagree with a comment does not make it "ridiculous"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.10    5 months ago

Yet you called #34 the winner.

The comment was ridiculous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    5 months ago

Exactly!

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.13  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.11    5 months ago

Tessy

I did not say that Press Eisenhower won the debate.

News Flash - President Eisenhower is dead and no longer debating

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.10    5 months ago
Pres Biden made personal attacks and Pres Trump responded with personal attacks - that is a fact that does not need to be reiterated in a more perceptive manner.  

utter nonsense. you are revealing your maga proclivities.

You are clearly implying that Trump only attacks after someone attacks him first, which is a bizarre conclusion. 

In the 2016 presidential primary debates Trump IMMEDIATELY started calling the other candidates names and lying about them. It is the story of his life. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.15  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.14    5 months ago

Utter nonsense

I am implying nothing, I said what I meant about the situation at the debate and the personal attacks from both Biden and Trump.

It is not my fault that your "perfect candidate" imploded on the debate stage.

You should spend more time explaining what happened rather than attacking people who point out to you that Trump did not win the debate, Biden conceded the debate with his horrible performance in front of the American people/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.15    5 months ago

I stand completely behind what I just said. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.15    5 months ago

THE ONLY REASON BIDEN MADE THE FIRST NEGATIVE COMMENT IS BECAUSE HE SPOKE FIRST. 

If you seriously believe that, if Trump spoke first, he would not have personally attacked Biden you are living in a dream world. 

Yet you made a point of saying Trump was being reasonable and only REACTED to what Biden said. 

You are giving away your true position on this election. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.13    5 months ago

Stop pretending you don't know what I mean.

Also, see comment 5.1 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.16    5 months ago

Obviously the both siders never do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.10    5 months ago

It is ridiculous

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.21  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.17    5 months ago

I do not care who spoke first or last - Biden and Trump both made negative personal attacks part of their strategy and it was despicable on both their parts.

I did not say Trump was reasonable, he acted reasonably for Trump - there is a huge difference.

My true position n this election has always been apparent to anyone with the sense and mental clarity to comprehend it - I want NEITHER Trump nor Biden to be president and will not be voting for either one of them.

Unlike many on the left and on the right though, I will be supporting whoever the American people elect in November because he (or maybe she) will be the President of all of the people.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.22  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.16    5 months ago

I have no problem that you stand firmly behind something that is incorrect

Good for you

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.22    5 months ago

He is correct

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    5 months ago

WTF???????

Clear winner #34????????????????

JFC

FFS

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    5 months ago

"Saying a liar won a debate is like saying a player who cheated won a game"

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.3.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    5 months ago
Tessy
The fact that "a liar" was able to win the debate speaks to the totally in adequate and ill prepared performance of President Biden.
I do not want Trump to be elected, but at the debate Biden did everything he could to increase the chances of a Trump victory.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.1    5 months ago

The lying turd didn't win the debate.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.3.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.2    5 months ago

You must have missed the debate, I am sure you can find it streaming somewhere.

You are right in a way, Trump did not "win the debate", Biden conceded the victory with his dismal performance in front of the American people.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.3    5 months ago

I am always correct.

Buzz off

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.4    5 months ago
I am always correct.

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Right Down the Center
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5.3.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.2    5 months ago

Trump sure as hell did not lose the debate

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.3.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.2    5 months ago

Trump "won" on the basis of physical appearance. 

He lost on the basis of honesty and integrity and mental health. 

Our media is doing a great disservice by saying Trump won. 

 
 
 
George
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5.3.9  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.7    5 months ago

Trump lost on mental health? Did Biden get bonus points for beating Medicare? It is delusional to think Biden showed anything but his obvious failings in his cognitive state.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.7    5 months ago
He lost on the basis of honesty

By 30 to 9 score

and integrity

Draw, they both lack integrity

and mental health. 

Exhibiting sundowning for all to see hardly quells the fears that Joe is mentally capable to do much at all.  It does answer the questions of why he doesn't do press conferences (while his press secretary talks about his transparency) and take a dementia test to try to show he is not dementia ridden. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.3.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.8    5 months ago

Did you watch? Thought you were decidedly against doing so. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.3.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.8    5 months ago

Donald Trump has a mental illness, Joe Biden does not. 

Biden appears deteriorated physically, and he sometimes stumbles to say what he wants energetically.  But if you look at what Biden actually said, the words rather than the appearance, he said nothing wrong with the exception of the one thing about "ending medicare". 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.7    5 months ago
Our media is doing a great disservice by saying Trump won. 

Some are just not used to the media telling the truth.  Think how bad Joe must have done for the people that have been covering for him are forced to tell the truth.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.3.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.10    5 months ago

The Washington Post fact checked the debate and said Trump lied 28 times and Biden 5.

That is almost 6 times as much. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.15    5 months ago

That is why I said Joe won in honesty.  I was looking at CNN fact check that had a score of 30 to 9.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.3.19  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.16    5 months ago

“I was working but watched…”

What a privilege to have a job where you can post 24/7. 

 
 
 
George
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5.3.20  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.12    5 months ago

So no soldiers dying in foreign countries was right?

So claiming the border patrol endorsed him was right? 

Shall I go on?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.3.23  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.4    5 months ago

You are always correct in your own opinion, but you sometimes miss the facts of the situation in make that determination.  If you watched the debate objectively, you would agree that Biden effectively conceded the debate to Trump by his manner and demeanor during the debate.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.24  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3.7    5 months ago

If he 'won' on the basis of his appearance then the fat ugly pig LOST.

The disservice is also followed by a lot of folks here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.25  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.23    5 months ago

Stop lecturing me.  President Biden did not concede dick.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.3.26  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.25    5 months ago

Tessy

I would never think to lecture you

I am merely pointing out some fallacies in your perceptions of the debate and what did and didt not happen

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.27  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.26    5 months ago

I see you have to have the last word.

Again you lecture.  'Pointing out my fallacies'.  jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

Have the last word if it's so important to you.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.25    5 months ago

He admitted to having a bad debate.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.29  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.27    5 months ago

Only to wish you Happy Independence Day!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.29    5 months ago

Bob, you are a very tolerant, amiable man if you don't mind me saying that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.31  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.30    5 months ago

Is that what they're calling it these days?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.32  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.29    5 months ago

Just as I thought

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3.33  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.31    5 months ago

Yes

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.34  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.31    5 months ago

And I thought you might wish me a happy fourth in return and thus you would have had the last word, which for some reason seems important to you.

Not sure why

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.35  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.30    5 months ago

I try to hear all sides, give my view and not be swayed or intimidated by the shouting and waving from those who think volume of opinion presented translates into making them correct.

Tolerant I guess, thin all opinions are important, I think people can debate (even argue) without getting personal, uncivil or angry

Basically I believe that just because two people of opposing views on a subject shouldn't mean that they cannot talk about it.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
6  Greg Jones    5 months ago

"He's very likely to look weak, angry, and confused. Trump's best strategy would be to quietly sit back and let Biden destroy himself for 90 minutes."

That's exactly what happened. As usual, I was spot on, only Biden did much worse than expected. Rather than verbal retorts, Trump's smirks and eye rolls expressed his scorn vividly. It was genius.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7  MrFrost    5 months ago

It's sad that a convicted felon is the best the GOP has to offer. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
7.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  MrFrost @7    5 months ago

MrFrost

I agree, but after Biden's performance it may be all they need.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8  George    5 months ago

Biden is mentally unfit, he attacked trump first putting to rest the lie he would act more presidential. 

Normally I would have agreed with the left that Biden is far more presidential in his behavior but people who are in the final stages of mental illness act unpredictably and lash out angrily which just confirms what many of us have been saying all along.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @8    5 months ago

lol

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    5 months ago

Your failure to see what is right in front of you just demonstrates that partisans will always support party over what is best for the country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @8.1.1    5 months ago

There is no existing universe where Trump is best for the country. He is a traitor.  Should Benedict Arnold have been president ? 

At the debate Jake Tapper asked Trump about his "inaction" on Jan 6th.  Trump didnt say "no thats wrong , I did this or that to try and end the violence at the capitol", rather,  he said "the border was secure on Jan 6th" and then tried to blame Jan 6th on Nancy Pelosi.

That is consciousness of guilt. 

He knows he's a shitbag traitor and is likely proud of it. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8.1.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    5 months ago

Not defending trump but didn’t Nancy Pelosi just admit it was her responsibility to protect the capitol? Also it is documented that Trump offered national guard troops before the rally, the 10,000 number is a lie but he made the offer.

Are there only 2 candidates on your Ballot? Mine has more than 2.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
9  George    5 months ago

Open question, if or when the democrats replace Biden on the ticket what excuses are we going to get? Since so many here are in denial of Biden’s mental state what excuse are we going to get?

 
 

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