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OPINION: The Biden news coverage requires less hysteria, more journalism

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 days ago  •  126 comments

By:   Austin Linfante (Heartland Signal)

OPINION: The Biden news coverage requires less hysteria, more journalism
Jennifer Schulze writes, "Biden's poor debate performance is real news. But it is not the only important news."

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Media critic Jamison Foser nails it: "A lot of things are newsworthy; media companies do not "merely report the news," they *decide what the news is.* And when it comes to Trump & Biden, the lack of proportionality speaks volumes."

Journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones of The New York Times adds this: "As media, we consistently proclaim that we are just reporting the news when in fact we are driving it. What we cover, how we cover it, determines often what Americans thinks is important and *how* they perceive these issues, yet we keep pretending it is not so. If Americans don't recognize the crisis our democracy is facing, that's not their fault, it is ours."

What's happened to journalism since the last debate is entirely out of proportion and not in keeping with the responsibilities of a free press. "Feeding frenzy" doesn't even come close to describing the news media coverage about Joe Biden's debate performance.

Full-blown hysteria has taken over too much of the mainstream press, with the Times leading the pack. By last count, the Times has done 70 stories, 20 opinion columns, four podcasts and one editorial about the president's dismal debate. All in less than a week. Broadcast media is doing its best to keep pace with the Times, and social media is a dumpster fire of gossip and disinformation.

Through all of this, important journalism values like facts and context are sometimes taking a back seat. Journalists are posting false and misleading information. CNN's lead news anchor Jake Tapper shared a breathless "breaking news," four-part social media post claiming that Democratic governors were turning against the president. Within two hours, Tapper deleted the bulk of his post, but not before it had been viewed by over 5 million people and shared nearly 2,000 times. So far, Tapper has yet to adequately acknowledge the mistake.

NBC News seemed to go out of its way to distort an interview with key Biden ally, Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, to make it seem more anti-Biden. This post reads: "I will support" Vice President Kamala Harris if President Joe Biden "were to step aside."

But Clyburn's actual quote is this: "I will support her if he were to step aside, but I want to support her going forward sometime in the future. I want this ticket to continue to be Biden-Harris, and then we'll see what happens after the next election."

At today's White House press briefing, a reporter's exchange with press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre was interrupted with the snide comment "if he's awake." That snark came from James Rosen of Newsmax, a propaganda outlet that doesn't even belong in the press corps. But it's not just the faux news outlets that are piling on. Longtime media critic Brian Stelter crossed the line with a post implying Joe Biden had Parkinson's Disease. He's since deleted that post but has continued to defend some indefensible media coverage.

Much of the news coverage of this very serious moment in history isn't journalism at all but some sort of advocacy steeped in outrage. We expect that from Newsmax, Fox and the other disinformation specialists but when mainstream journalists leave objectivity behind, we have a serious problem. In recent days, too many journalists from outlets like NBC News, Politico and The New York Times have started making very pointed claims and comments about the debate story. Aaron Rupar noted:

"It's been jarring in recent days to open this app and see employees of major mainstream media outlets with "reporter" in their bios offer hot takes like this. They're totally committed to the anti-Biden bit. This is not reporting, it's punditry."

Former White House staffer Dan Cluchey says the press is cherry picking gossip at best:

"Some have openly loathed Biden for years, & are salivating at the chance to torch his team. It's ugly and wrong — but more gravely, it's a massive failure of journalism at a moment when America desperately needs them to act like grown-ups. … rather than petty, gossipy vengeance-seekers. There are legitimate questions here that POTUS must address head-on. But we are doomed either way if our political press can't demonstrate the clarity and capacity to do *their* job, too."

Some of this is the outcome of a presidential debate that was completely devoid of any fact-checking by the CNN moderators. Trump spewed at least 50 lies, but the debate hosts just moved on to the next question instead of offering any pushback. CNN's excellent fact-checker Daniel Dale didn't appear on air until over an hour after the debate had ended and most people had tuned in elsewhere. Trump's lies have gotten too little attention since then because of the news media's overwhelming coverage of Joe Biden.

Biden's poor debate performance is real news. But it is not the only important news. Some journalists are so caught up in the debate furor that one of the most dangerous and consequential Supreme Court terms in memory was pushed off the front pages. When the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on immunity found that president's might actually be kings, that's a game changer that deserves more attention than it got. Instead, news outlets have dedicated most of their resources to covering every blip on the Biden debate follow up instead.

I agree with Daily Beast columnist Wajahat Ali, who says, "Maybe reporters and journalists should spend some column space and airtime on Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation, and the calls of a second American Revolution by conservative leaders?" Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin decries the failure to pay serious attention to Trump's fitness for office

"The problem is made more acute because of the refusal to consider Trump's mental state, thereby creating a false image that he's the fit one. This has been media malpractice. Trump should have stepped away. The media should have been on the issue of unfitness from the get go."

The Biden frenzy is unlikely to die down any time soon. But instead of hurried, opinionated and even factually incorrect reporting, our mainstream news reporters really must get back to the basics by putting facts first. This story is too important to get wrong. It's also not the only critical story that merits coverage, so some rebalancing to refocus on Trump — including his dangerous Project 2025 plan — would also be welcome.

Jennifer Schulze is a Chicago journalist reporting on journalism. Follow Jennifer on Threads @newsjennifer_schulze or Twitter/X @NewsJennifer.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 days ago

spot on

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 days ago

You say the objective is to beat Trump.

So, does Biden go or does he stay?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    3 days ago

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JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 days ago

www.inquirer.com   /opinion/editorials/trump-verbal-miscues-presidential-debate-20240706.html

The lingering focus on Biden’s shaky debate obscures Trump’s major verbal miscues | Editorial

The Editorial Board 6-7 minutes


President   Joe Biden   dug himself a hole and now he is trying to climb out. But many fellow   Democrats   and some in the media keep shoveling dirt on him.

One 20-minute   TV interview   was never going to swing the race back in Biden’s favor after his halting debate performance against   Donald Trump   — whose own shambolic showing was largely shrugged off. Legitimate questions remain as to whether Biden, 81, or Trump, 78, are up for the grueling campaign and four more years of a relentless job that has aged past Oval Office occupants.

Biden insists he is staying in the race. He must now convince voters he has the mental strength and stamina to do the toughest job in the world. The same bar does not apparently exist for Trump, who loses no points for   incoherence   or   incompetence .

The country is not electing the next debate champion. Biden is a decent and honorable man with a substantive   record   of   accomplishment . But to make his case, Biden should hold more unscripted events, including town halls, news conferences, and interviews.

At each stop, there will be no margin for error. The media is tracking Biden’s every move with an obsession   greater   than the 2016 focus on Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server. The rules have always been different for Trump. Recall when seven members of Trump’s team   used private email accounts , including his daughter and son-in-law, it barely caused a ripple.

A similar imbalance has taken hold in   the coverage   of Biden’s debate performance. For example, in less than a week, the New York Times published 70 news stories, 20 opinion columns, four podcasts, and one editorial about Biden’s shaky debate. Cable TV and social media piled on, as well,   according   to Heartland Signal, a digital news site in Chicago.

But little attention has been paid to Trump’s   incoherent debate   performance because he is often incoherent. Trump told more than   30 lies in 90 minutes   during the debate like it was another day at the office.

In discussing abortion, he   falsely claimed   Democrats want to execute babies in the ninth month of pregnancy. Trump also   claimed   migrants were   taking “Black jobs”   and “Hispanic jobs” — whatever that means.

During a discussion about the environment, Trump — who   rolled back   more than 100 regulations and   withdrew   from the Paris climate agreement —   said , “We had H2O, we had the best numbers ever.” Huh?

Then Trump added to the lie: “I had the best environmental numbers ever, and my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before I walked on the stage, actually.”

Apparently, it’s OK for Trump to spew nonstop nonsense, but Biden can’t ever lose his train of thought.

Anyone looking for cognitive decline should tune into a Trump rally.

During a recent riff about electric batteries, Trump   said : “What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery’s underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there? By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of shark … I watched some guys justifying it today: ‘Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was.’ These people are crazy.”

Apparently, it’s OK for Trump to spew nonstop nonsense, but Biden can’t ever lose his train of thought.

At the same rally,   he referenced   the time Clinton called Trump supporters deplorable. “Remember deplorable, when Hillary said deplorable? She said deplorable. And that was not good. That was not a good word to use. This word seems to be catching on a little bit but in a much more positive way than deplorable. That was not good. She actually said deplorable and irredeemable. Do you remember? And I heard it, and I said, ‘Wow, that irredeemable is really a bad word,’ and it didn’t catch on. What caught on was deplorable. So what the hell do I know about politics, right?”

During a recent rally in Wisconsin, Trump   said , “If you have illegal aliens invading your home, we will deport you.” Thanks for the heads up,   covfefe .

He has   mixed up   former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. Trump   confused   the leaders of Hungary and Turkey during a speech in New Hampshire last fall. A month later, he   confused   the leaders of China and North Korea.

In April, Trump called Fox News to weigh in on the college campus protests over the war in Gaza and offered this   deep thought : “You go back 10 years, Israel was protected by Congress. Now, Congress is just doing numbers that are unbelievable with I think a very, very small group of people within Congress and it’s gotta stop.”

» READ MORE:   The Trump Threat | An occasional series by The Inquirer Editorial Board about the risk posed by a second Donald Trump presidency.

In May, Trump slurred his words at a rally in Wisconsin as he   referred to   Biden’s “fake infrastrucker, ershure para,” before landing on “a package of infrastructure.” He then went on an   incoherent rant   about Master Lock.

Trump’s list of flubs is long and more frequent. To be sure, anyone on the public stage will have occasional gaffes. But stringing words together is not what should worry voters the most.

Some pundits have suggested that it’s   time to take away Biden’s keys , but   any fair-minded American should know by now that Trump is unsafe to serve at any speed. Four criminal indictments, two impeachments, one guilty verdict, a sexual abuse judgment, and a civil fraud finding should have sent Trump to the ash heap of history.

While his   return plans   are even worse, some voters appear unfazed by the prospect of casting a ballot for an unhinged and vindictive leader who dodged taxes, cozied up to dictators, shared classified information with enemies, attacked allies, mismanaged a deadly pandemic, befriended white supremacists, locked kids in cages, launched an insurrection, worked to overturn an election, called to terminate the Constitution, and violated his oath of office.

There is no debate.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 days ago
"While his   return plans   are even worse, some voters appear unfazed by the prospect of casting a ballot for an unhinged and vindictive leader who dodged taxes, cozied up to dictators, shared classified information with enemies, attacked allies, mismanaged a deadly pandemic, befriended white supremacists, locked kids in cages, launched an insurrection, worked to overturn an election, called to terminate the Constitution, and violated his oath of office."
Posting such ridiculous and baseless fact free nonsense as the above convinces no one that Trump is unfit to be president. It comes across as the ranting of an unhinged leftist. Biden is so addled and confused he shouldn't even be president now, let alone for the next four years.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 days ago

Does he know what H2O is?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 days ago

So now the migrants are taking the jobs that the migrants are doing - what the huh?

The former 'president' convicted felon and rapist is held to no standards whatsoever.  It's old news.  Been there done that!

No need to cover him at all!

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The moron said it all in that one part of his demented rant 'deplorable and irredeemable'

That is him and the cult to a T

That's why they hate Hillary so much.  She was correct about everything.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3  Robert in Ohio    3 days ago

I think you make a fair point about the "sensationalism" of journalism obliterating factual, objective reporting on many issues sin this presidential race and in news coverage in general.

That being said I am seeing less and less about the debate performance and more about the Stephanopoulos' interview

And secondly the sensationalism is not just about Biden's supposed deficiencies and inabilities, but more and more it is sensationalism about "hard questions", "sandbagging the president", "Trump's lies", Trump's rambling" - more defense than offense.

A difference is Trump tells a whopper and moves on and doesn't return to the point except to embellish the lie while Biden spends an incredible amount of time trying to tell the American people that what they are seeing (with their own eyes) and hearing (with their own ears) is not actually real.  This is a big lie!

People always expect Trump to lie but until recently many had expected Biden to tell the truth, to own his strengths and weaknesses and to face the facts.  He is no longer doing that.

 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    3 days ago
but until recently many had expected Biden to tell the truth,

Really? Anyone that knows the man and has even remotely has followed his political career knows he is a professional liar. Those that think Biden tells the truth still do. Nothing will ever dissuade them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    3 days ago

Trump plays music at his rallies that is definitely associated with the deluded and unhinged conspiracy group Q Anon.  I would consider such a fact to be quite pertinent to fitness for office.  Is this not a front page news story?  But it never has been because the media thinks it is just Trump being Trump. Our media priorities are so out of whack they may never get back to "normal". 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 days ago
Trump plays music at his rallies that is definitely associated with the deluded and unhinged conspiracy group Q Anon

What music are they into these days?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.2  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 days ago

John

I don't know much of anything about QAnon but accept what you say about the music as factual.

But alas that is old news and a staggering, stuttering, disoriented Joe Biden is the flashy bauble being swung around by the press.   Your points go to character and no sane person is going to think that Trump is a person of character (he is a scoundrel always has been) - this is not about character it is about Biden's "appearance" of inadequacy, infirmity and ineptitude.  The commentary on these points reaffirms what the people are seeing for themselves.

We (as a US society) tend to vilify the press (journalists) when they take a position in opposition to our own and champion them when they seem to support our view.

The 24 hour news cycle highlights and spotlights things that have aways been there

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.2    3 days ago
But alas that is old news

What do you mean "old news" he played the music again at his rally last night. 

Trump associating himself with Q Anon should be a front page story in every newspaper in America, but it is not. 

We are out of whack. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 days ago
Our media priorities are so out of whack they may never get back to "normal". 

George Stephanopoulos needs to get his whack back.  

George Stephanopoulos just made a stunning comment on the streets of New York ... telling a pedestrian he doesn't think President  Joe Biden  can serve another term.

6:28 PM PT -- George Stephanopoulos tells TMZ, "Earlier today, I responded to a question from a passerby. I shouldn't have." An ABC spokesperson tells TMZ, "George expressed his own point of view and not the position of ABC News."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.2    3 days ago
Your points go to character and no sane person is going to think that Trump is a person of character (he is a scoundrel always has been) - this is not about character it is about Biden's "appearance" of inadequacy, infirmity and ineptitude. 

Why? Because you say so?  Trumps lack of character led him to try and overthrow the 2020 election and retweet calls for military tribunals of his critics. 

Your comment shows why you cannot be considered a true "independent" on Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.1    3 days ago

keep going like that and you will be "no value" on this article

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.7  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    3 days ago

John

Your reaction is symbolic of the media that you are complaining about - as soon as I presented an alternative view of the situation for consideration that did not match your own, you abandoned your point that the media was being unfair to Biden, deflected to Trump's behavior and launched an ad hominem attack in my direction.

Nothing would please me more than to have both Biden and Trump "disqualified" (your word) but alas there is a clear list of requirements to be president in the constitution and no list of actions or attitudes that disqualify a person.

The media is (especially the center and left media) is alright with you until they start questioning a position that you have taken.  The "media" has been critical of Trump for years and if the "media" had its way I am sure that he would not be the GOP nominee.

You have a lot of good points to make on many issues, I wish you could cease the attack and destroy mode of debate and discuss issues - 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.7    3 days ago
this is not about character it is about Biden's "appearance" of inadequacy, infirmity and ineptitude. 

I asked you why. 

and then you put "appearance" in quotes . 

Lack of character led Trump to try and overthrow the 2020 election, and many other nefarious acts.  To say character is not a major factor in determining fitness for office on the national level is bizarre. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.9  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    3 days ago

What do you mean "old news" he played the music again at his rally last night.

I mean that it has been done and done and done and it has been reported on, reported on, reported on and it is thus "old news".

I will concede that QANON is bad (though I know only peripherally about them) and Trump should not be associated with them.  But again the press has been there and done that

The  profound decline in the physical and mental competence of a sitting president is and should be front page news everywhere

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.10  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.8    3 days ago

and then you put "appearance" in quotes . 

To highlight the word "appearance"

Because the appearance of ineptitude, inefficiency and inability is what is front page news and most critical to the American people today.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.9    3 days ago
I mean that it has been done and done and done and it has been reported on, reported on, reported on and it is thus "old news".

I first read about it in the Fall of 2022 in the Wash Post,  that's why I asked about it today.  Don't know if it's the same music or not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.1    3 days ago

LMAO!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.9    3 days ago
The  profound decline in the physical and mental competence of a sitting president is and should be front page news everywhere

That is what is killing them. They never dreamed that it would be about Biden four months out from an election.

Bob, when does all this early voting that the dems love begin?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.9    3 days ago

Like Project 2025

Just because the press has 'been there and done that' by covering this traitor psychopath's associations with these whackjobs, traitors, and lunatics - you're saying they shouldn't continue to cover his CONTINUED ASSOCIATION WITH AND AFFILIATION WITH like the crafters of project 2025 and his SUPPORT OF QANON

It should be front and center coverage.   

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.1    3 days ago
What music are they into these days?

White room, White rabbit, Knights in White satin, White wedding to name a few.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.13    3 days ago

When do you mail in your vote?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.17  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.13    3 days ago

Vic

I think it varies state to state but some of it starts not long after the convention I think

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.2.18  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.14    3 days ago
It should be front and center coverage.   

And if you owned a newspaper it would.

But the media(intheir wisdom or folly depending on who is speaking) choose to highlight the infirmity (mental and physical) of the sitting president.

Sells papers and grabs viewership I guess

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.15    3 days ago

And A Whiter Shade of Pale, White Bird or Dirty White Boy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.17    3 days ago

I can hardly wait!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.18    3 days ago

President Biden is not physically and mentally infirm.

JFC

FFS

Lost cause

I don't know why I waste my time

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.18    3 days ago

This whole article is about the uneven and hysterical coverage of President Biden and the fact that they give the former 'president' traitor convicted felon and rapist a pass so your insult is just that, an insult.  Also, you give the former 'president' a pass because he always lies - so ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.22    3 days ago

Also, JFC!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.23    3 days ago

JFC = Juliet Foxtrot Charlie

FFS = Foxtrot Foxtrot Sierra

WTF = Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.24    3 days ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.2.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.21    3 days ago
I don't know why I waste my time

A question for the ages

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    3 days ago

Ridiculous - you give the former 'president' a pass because he always lies.

Unfuckingbelieveable

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.3.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.3    3 days ago

Tessy 

Despite your colorful language you have once more totally missed the point.

I did not give Trump "a pass" for lying, I acknowledged that I (and millions of citizens) know he is lying and that is no longer breaking news every morning.

While the rapid deterioration of Pres Biden mental and physical acuity (or at least that appearance) is headine news as it should be.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.3.1    3 days ago
I did not give Trump "a pass" for lying, I acknowledged that I (and millions of citizens) know he is lying and that is no longer breaking news every morning.

Trump lied and played music from an unhinged anti American conspiracy group. LAST NIGHT.   That is newsworthy, whether someone thinks it is old news or not. 

The mainstream media has never reported Trumps unhinged rally speeches as front page news. Its really a disgrace. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.3.1    3 days ago

No, you gave him a pass.  It should be news.  Continue to defend the indefensible.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.3.4  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.3    3 days ago

You just need to read the words and understand them - you are missing the point

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.3.5  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    3 days ago

You keep saying the same thing over and over again and I keep agreeing with you.

Take the win.

The fact that you are right about this does not make it news

The media decides what is the most important thing to highlight and they have decided that the current state of the president's mental and physical health is more important than Trump playing controversial music.  Maybe they are wrong, but coverage tends to follow demand in the news business so maybe they are right,

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.3.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    3 days ago
That is newsworthy 

It is interesting that on the one hand you want everything Trump does as front page news as you complain that having Trump on the media all the time is giving him a voice and that must be avoided.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.3.4    3 days ago

No, I am not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    3 days ago
Trump lied and played music from an unhinged anti American conspiracy group.

"God bless the USA?"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.3.4    3 days ago

I understand perfectly

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.2    3 days ago

A lot of the alleged mainstream media have also heavily contributed to Project 2025

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.10    3 days ago

Proof or once again, we may have to call bullshit.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.11    3 days ago

What's stopping you now?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.12    3 days ago

I, like others around these parts, get a little tired of unsubstantiated claims. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.3.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.10    3 days ago

Who and how much?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.3.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.13    3 days ago

Um....this is the actual website of P2025. What are you trying to say? That it isn't that bad? I've already read parts of it and it's bad

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.13    3 days ago

Unsubstantiated?  Huh?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.15    3 days ago

Concentrating on the contributors and I see no "mainstream media" credited as claimed.

Haven't read it and don't really care to. As far as I'm concerned, this will never materialize. Sounds like too radical from what I have at least heard.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.16    3 days ago

Huh hell. Where is the backup to your claim?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.19  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.11    3 days ago

It's true.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.3.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.17    3 days ago

Oh. My apologies. I didn't understand but now I do.

I personally don't think the American people will stand for this. But I will wait and see

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.21  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.19    2 days ago
It's true.

Because you say so?

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.22  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.18    2 days ago

No need.  It's true

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.23  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.17    2 days ago

Show me the list of financial contributors

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.24  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.11    2 days ago

Who is we by the way?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.23    2 days ago

Not how it works. You made the claim, you will have to provide the list on which you based your claim. Sorry but I will give you this much

Project 2025 is spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation, but includes an advisory board consisting of more than 100 conservative groups.

See that? conservative groups

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.3.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.23    2 days ago

You made the claim on 3.3.10  Show who and how much.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.3.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.24    2 days ago

Everyone that can smell the bullshit

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.24    2 days ago
Who is we by the way

Interesting question and one I ask every time you use it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.29  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.25    2 days ago

Just as I thought

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.29    2 days ago

How does that justify your "mainstream media" supposition?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.31  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.25    2 days ago

Monetary contributions

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.32  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.31    2 days ago

I know what you meant. I didn't see anything of the sort in the google search. Perhaps you should give it a shot. Good luck.

 I guess when your mainstream media claim crashed, now we want to deflect to cash contributors. I believe that is what you call, deflection.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.33  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.32    2 days ago

Of course you didn't

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.33    2 days ago

Wasn't the original claim. And it probably isn't available. If you knew anything, The Heritage Foundation is privately funded and takes no GovCo money. I guess since they are throwing $22Mill at it, the membership is the owner. 

We are done here. I will NOT be led down your rabbit hole of denial.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.35  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.34    2 days ago

My mistake

The alleged mainstream media's anti-Biden hysteria is what I was thinking of and not Project 2025 financial contributors

All the following CEOs of the alleged mainstream media are contributors to the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist

CNN

ABC

CBS

NBC

MSNBC

NY Times

Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos

Wall Street Journal owner Rupert Murdoch

My mistake - the gop is so corrupt - no wonder I confused contributors to the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist and the alleged main stream media anti-Biden

Apologies to my friend's here for my confusion and mistake

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.36  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.35    2 days ago

Where is your link. I cannot fathom that Jeff Bezos supports Trump with all the bitching Trump used to do about WaPo.

And.............kudos

256

Try this on for size. Negates that BS claim.......again

The CEOs of CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and The New York Times, as well as the owners of The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, have all donated to former U.S. President Donald Trump's campaigns.
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False

You were saying?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.37  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.36    2 days ago

And you may want to shy away from Occupy Democrats Facebook page....................

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.38  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.37    2 days ago

Stay away from the truth you mean

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.39  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.38    2 days ago

Well you just got egg smeared all over your face by posting that BS about the CEO's as proven by Snopes. Just admit it and move on..............

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.40  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.39    2 days ago

Nah, I'm good.

But you do have last word, as necessary

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.3.41  Just Jim NC TttH  impassed  Tessylo @3.3.40    2 days ago
✋🏼
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    3 days ago

The far left demanding the media stop covering actual news is just another example of the total lack of self awareness of so much of the left.  Guess what, that the President can't meet with foreign leaders in the early evening because his brain doesn't work, that officials' access to him is controlled by his wife and drug addict son, that he forgets the identity of long time friends, aides etc is actually really, really important.  After years obsessing about literal nothing burgers like the flags flown by someone's wife, they want to ignore biggest story in decades, that the President is too addled to perform his job and it was covered up.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 days ago

As I just said to Robert , Trump regularly makes statements at his rallies that should be disqualifying, but are also regularly ignored by mainstream media.  It is simply wrong. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 days ago

Trump say dumb things. Biden says dumb things, freezes in public and  can’t  meet with foreign leaders or remember the identity of officials because his brain doesn’t function for long stretches of the day and relies on his administration to lie to the public to cover up his infirmity. 

see the difference?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.1    3 days ago

Trump has said thousands of "dumb things" . Thousands.  Is such a person fit to be president of the United States ? 

Why havent any Republicans called for him to step down as the GOP candidate? 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 days ago

Trump regularly makes statements at his rallies that should be disqualifying

John

Is there a list of stupid or inciting statements "that should be disqualifying" somewhere

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.3    3 days ago

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif Just about everything the traitor says FFS

JFC

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.3    3 days ago

If you dont think unhinged statements should be "disqualifying" than neither should be "appearance". 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.6  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    3 days ago

I never said either is - Pres Biden says he is in it to win it and I respect that as his choice and that the choice was endorsed by the overwhelming majority of the Democrat primary voters.  So be it

Trump is a horrible character and I do not want him to be president, but the overwhelming majority of the Republican primary voters decided otherwise and I accept that as well.

You once again did not answer the question, so I assume you agree that there is no list of disqualifying statements per se 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.7  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.4    3 days ago

Tessy 

For those of us that speak only English can you translate FFS and JFC into words

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.7    3 days ago

Go talk down to someone else.  Continue to defend the lying traitor and its' cult.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.7    3 days ago

If you send me a private note - I'll give you some more stuff to translate.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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4.1.10  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.9    3 days ago

Tessylo

You can translate right - full transparency  is always a good policy jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.10    3 days ago

It shouldn't be hard to figure out FFS

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.3    2 days ago
Trump regularly makes statements at his rallies that should be disqualifying

but they dont't!

His supporters in here never have anything to say about his blunders

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.13  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.11    2 days ago

Tessy 

Then it shouldn't be too hard for you to use your words and explain

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.13    2 days ago

Move on Robert

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.15  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.14    2 days ago

Must be something you are ashamed to say in words

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.15    2 days ago

So, you have to have the last word then, I see.  I see it a lot here.

Proceed.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.18  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.17    2 days ago

I see a lot people unwilling or unable to explain themselves just saying  Oh well

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4.1.18    2 days ago

If you can't figure it out that's not my problem.

Now, again, you can have the last word.

Proceed.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.20  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.19    2 days ago

ta ta 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 days ago
After years obsessing about literal nothing burgers like the flags flown by someone's wife,

it wasn't "someone's wife", it was a Supreme Court justices wife, and Alito's claim he knew nothing about it is nonsense. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 days ago
Alito's claim he knew nothing about it is nonsense. 

I thought his claim was that his wife is responsible for flying flags at their homes. He claimed  that he asked her to remove it, but for several days she refused.

We should hold him accountable for letting her out of the kitchen and bedroom to do this action.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.1    3 days ago

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Right Down the Center
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4.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.1    3 days ago
We should hold him accountable for letting her out of the kitchen and bedroom to do this action.

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George
Junior Expert
5  George    3 days ago

So Trump challenges Biden to a golf match at Doral and offers him 20 strokes and will pay 1 million to the charity of Joes choice if he loses. So Joe are you willing to put your 6 handicap up against the hope a charity gets a payday? or are you going to pussy out?

Now we all know that some idiot will come along and say trump won't pay and all sorts of other ignorant bullshit, but the fact is it is a public challenge and trump can't afford to not honor the bet. so Joe, man up and prove you didn't lie.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @5    3 days ago

Joe “six handicap ”  Biden should be able to beat a PGA pro with 10 shots a side.  One can only wonder why he would deprive a charity of a million dollars by refusing this bet.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1.1  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    3 days ago

Just think, Joe could score huge political points by giving it to Planned Parenthood, but Joe can't keep score anymore, let alone play a 6 handicap.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    3 days ago

Get back to us about presidential golf once you have learned about trump being champion of tournaments that are entirely rigged. 

Golf news 2023: Donald Trump claims he won golf …

WEB Jan 24, 2023  · Donald Trump claimed credit for a club championship despite reportedly not competing in the   tournament   in the same time parameters as everyone else.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    3 days ago

Deflection fail, So will Joe step up or Pussy out? I'm sure we can negotiate the tournament to be over by 8 and monitored be the press, at a safe distance of course so they can't ask Grandpa any questions, I'm sure trump will agree to allow an aide to guide him from hole to hole so he doesn't wander off and get lost.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    3 days ago

Which has been printed about ad nauseum- hence the ease with which you found an article.

In fact when it comes to Trump the media needs to follow your seed's advice and stop with the hysteria they have been on for the last 8 years!

So will Biden put up or shut up when it comes to playing golf against Trump?

Trump may suck at golf- but I am sure he is far better than Biden on his best day; and his best days are long past.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @5.1.3    3 days ago

To my knowledge Biden is not currently golfing and Trump golfs 3 or 4 times a week.  Cheats at it too. 

Why would Biden agree to play Trump? 

He said his handicap is 6, which it was the last time he submitted his scores, which was a few years ago. 

This is an utter non-story. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    3 days ago

And yet here you are commenting on it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.6    3 days ago

I didnt bring up golf, your friends did. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    3 days ago

Sorry, it is a story since Biden opened up his fat yap and lied about being able to beat Trump at golf.

There is no way Biden is a 6 handicap (Maybe at a children's Put-Put course he is). Do you even know what that means; because he sure as hell doesn't.

All Biden has to do is play Trump and prove it. I am sure Trump will even agree for forgo Biden's 6 handicap; and have officials monitor the play.

Biden lies about anything and everything; and people like you just look the other way while blasting Trump's lies.

If Biden can get a coherent sentence out it is a lie. The incoherent ones are lies to; just no one can understand them. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    3 days ago

Yet here you are still commenting on it.

Repeatedly.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1.10  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    3 days ago

It demonstrates that Joe is a liar who doesn't even have a foot in reality, he claimed to be a 6 handicap at the debate (several of your friends defended it and said it was true) and he challenged trump to a golf game if they both carry their own clubs. So is Joe a liar? Trump just sweetened the pot by 1 million dollars and Joe has nothing to lose.

Cheats at it too. 

So you think the press and the Biden handlers would let him get away with cheating or make it national news? you are deflecting again from Bidens obvious issues of fitness. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    3 days ago

The life long thug cheats at everything.  Hilarious.  He wins every tournament, even if he's the only player.

lol

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
5.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.11    3 days ago
He wins every tournament, even if he's the only player.

Actually if he is the only player he would win

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @5.1.10    2 days ago
he claimed to be a 6 handicap at the debate (several of your friends defended it and said it was true)

Is there something wrong with you? he is a six handicap

Joe Biden has an official golf handicap of  6.7 , which is quite impressive.  However, it’s worth noting that he hasn’t recorded an official score since   2018 , so his actual ability on the golf course might differ from what’s currently recorded

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.13    2 days ago

he is a six handicap

And he can dunk a basketball while jumping from the foul line...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.14    2 days ago
Joe Biden has an official golf handicap of  6.7

That seems rather straightforward to me. 

If trump can cheat at golf Biden can paint a rosy picture of his current game. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    2 days ago

Do you believe joe Biden has a six handicap? The same guy whose staff holds meetings to hide how he walks from the press?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6  Right Down the Center    3 days ago

Real journalism died (or is at least has been on life support) for years now.  It is amusing that the left is suddenly calling for it after all this time.

That being said Joes mental decline and the call from within his party to step down is more important to the country than the live count on Trump lies that has been going on for almost 10 years.  The only difference between Trump lies and Biden lies is when Trump lies it is over the top and hyperbole and most people recognize it as such.  When Joe or Karine lies it is to bolster the big lie that Biden is doing a good job or trying to blame someone else for his crappy job or even has the mental capability to do the job..

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
6.1  George  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    3 days ago
Real journalism died "I don't think he can serve four more years," Stephanopoulos responded while walking in New York City, according to the video obtained by TMZ

ABC's response.

ABC News released a statement Tuesday night telling Fox News Digital, "George expressed his own point of view and not the position of ABC News." 

After ABC threatens George,

Stephanopoulos appeared to be regretful of his candid admission, saying in a statement, "Earlier today I responded to a question from a passerby. I shouldn’t have."

Translation: Our talking heads need to promote the propaganda and truth has no place here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7  Texan1211    2 days ago

One only need look at the plethora of articles seeded here about Trump almost daily to know this whole article is nothing but a farce.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7    2 days ago

You are confused. The article has nothing to do with Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    2 days ago

the plethora of seeded articles, mainly negative, about Trump, makes the premise the press is easy on Trump laughable nonsense.

 
 

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