'He loves the Lord': Evangelicals unbothered by MAGA candidate's Nazi rants

David Lane, the founder and leader of the American Renewal Project, expressed a similar sentiment and emphasized to Religion News Service that Robinson is a "brilliant" pick for North Carolina governor. "I don't know what's truth and untruth in terms of the allegations against him, but I don't regret all that we did," said Lane. "He was fabulous. 

"All that we did"  "He was fabulous" 

What did they do????????

Sounds kinky

"I don't know what's truth and untruth..."

Well that certainly qualifies him as an expert, eh?

Yes, the Lord loves those who say 'some people need killing'

There are a lot of younger tech type people in North Carolina, and a lot of universities, so the good guys may win this one. 

Exactly, slander an entire state for the ranting of one.

You are stretching well beyond what Tessylo wrote. 

He's just trying to get my attention because I've been ignoring him.  What a hateful and ignorant comment.  

Bears no resemblance whatsoever to what I said.

How is that scumbag saying some people need killing 'slander(ing) an entire state for the ranting of one'????

Some are allowed to get away with teasing and taunting and just making shit up.

Yes, the Lord loves those who say 'some people need killing'

Well, it’s not like the (fictitious) lord hasn’t said that his (fictitious) self.  

Yes, the Lord loves those who say 'some people need killing' Well, it’s not like the (fictitious) lord hasn’t said that his (fictitious) self.

Actually I had an interesting conversation with The Lord himself this morning. In fact it was as I was eating breakfact. His likeness suddenly appeared on a slice of toast!

I won't go into details but I can say that his message was:

Vote for the Harris-Walz & the entire Democratic ticket. In fact, they are going to go well beyond just making America great again. Oh no-- not just again-- but actually making America greater than it had ever been!

'He loves the Lord': Evangelicals unbothered by MAGA candidate's Nazi rants

Hitler was a devout christian as well.  I guess evangelicals have only 1 standard that they judge people by.

Hitler was a devout christian as well.

Where did you read that garbage?

Where did you read that garbage?

In a speech in 1932, Hitler declared himself "not a Catholic and not a Protestant, but a German Christian".

Hitler consistently self-identified as a Christian in public, and even on occasion as a Catholic, specifically throughout his entire political career, despite criticizing biblical figures. He identified himself as a Christian in a 12 April 1922 speech.

Speech of April 12, 1921

history.hanover

Lol.

Read this entire entry and let us know if you still, against all reason, are going to continue to call Hitler a devout Christian:

en.wikipedia

However much Hitler on some occasions claimed to want a respite in the conflict [with the churches], his own inflammatory comments gave his underlings all the license they needed to turn up the heat on the " Church Struggle ", confident that they were working towards the Fuhrer...Hitler's impatience with the churches prompted frequent outbursts of hostility. In early 1937, he was declaring that "Christianity was ripe for destruction" ( Untergang ), and that the churches must therefore yield to the "primacy of the state", railing against "the most horrible institution imaginable" ^{[ 34 ]}

British historian   Richard J. Evans , who writes primarily on Nazi Germany and World War II, noted Hitler claiming that Nazism is founded on science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition' Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and 'Priests', he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'." ^{[ 35 ]}

British historian   Richard Overy , biographer of Hitler, sees Hitler as having been a skeptic of religion: "Both Stalin and Hitler wanted a neutered religion, subservient to the state, while the slow programme of scientific revelation destroyed the foundation of religious myth." ^{[ 36 ]}   Overy writes of Hitler as skeptical of all religious belief, but politically prudent enough not to "trumpet his scientific views publicly", partly in order to maintain the distinction between his own movement and the godlessness of   Soviet Communism . ^{[ 37 ]}   In 2004, he wrote: ^{[ 38 ]}

He was not a practising Christian but had somehow succeeded in masking his own religious skepticism from millions of German voters. Though Hitler has often been portrayed as a   neo-pagan , or the centrepiece of a political religion in which he played the Godhead, his views had much more in common with the revolutionary iconoclasm of the Bolshevik enemy. His few private remarks on Christianity betray a profound contempt and indifference ... Hitler believed that all religions were now "decadent"; in Europe it was the "collapse of Christianity that we are now experiencing". The reason for the crisis was science. Hitler, like Stalin, took a very modern view of the incompatibility of religious and scientific explanation.

ol. Read this entire entry and let us know if you still, against all reason, are going to continue to call Hitler a devout Christian:

So you do not understand that different christian sects have issues with others, all the while still calling themselves christians?  Hitler clashed with the church, not the religion.  They had different views of christianity.

Hitler clashed with the church, not the religion.  

Where do you get this stuff?

"The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity."

washingtonpost

Hitler clashed with the church, not the religion.  They had different views of christianity.

If that's your take away from this, there's really not much that can  be said.  

Where do you get this stuff?

So you completely ignored my link.  Makes your question look that much sillier.

Hitler was a christian.  Just because he was not your idea of a christian does not change that fact.

No True Scotsman Fallacy

Hitler was a christian. Just because he was not your idea of a christian does not change that fact

Hitler rejected the deity, resurrection, and miracles of Jesus; the Christian ethic of love; the possibility of a personal relationship with God; and any appeal to revelation.

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You don't know what the No True Scotsman Fallacy is, apparently. I suggest you look it up. Hint: It does not mean that there isn't such a thing as a true Scotsman. Another hint: It doesn't mean one can claim to be (whatever) and must be considered to actually be that thing. 

Hitler rejected the deity, resurrection, and miracles of Jesus; the Christian ethic of love; the possibility of a personal relationship with God; and any appeal to revelation.

Again, he stated multiple times that he was a Christian.  After that you run into... No True Scotsman Fallacy

You don't know what the No True Scotsman Fallacy

Apparently you do not.  Drinker is claiming Hitler was not a christian because of some of the things he said, despite Hitler himself claiming that he was a christian.

True, it identifies the fallacious logic of changing the defining characteristics of a category (e.g. Christian) so as to exclude an unwanted member of that category.

An example of this is to argue that Hitler was not a true Christian based on one's preferred defining characteristics of 'Christian'.

Hitler claimed to be a Christian but I suspect most people find his actions to violate the tenets of Christianity (as they view Christianity).   Based on how I define a 'Christian', I would conclude that Hitler was not as he claimed based on his actions; even if he actually believed in Jesus Christ.   But there is no single definition for Christianity because people do not agree on the defining authority for same.

So, is someone a Christian merely because they claim to be?   Or merely because they believe in Jesus Christ?  Or ...

Apparently, politicians can lie.

"It's true that Hitler said this in 1928. The original quote was slightly longer than what has appeared in memes. At the same time, history showed that Hitler's National Socialist Movement later sought to destroy Christianity once in power. Citing evidence from the Nuremberg war-crime trials, The New York Times reported that, "the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a 'slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment' to eliminate Christianity."

snopes

The former 'president' claims to believe in god and the cult believes him.

His actions belie his alleged beliefs.

Even though this is my seed and I could have deleted most of this as off topic, its too much trouble.  

Weikart argues in   “Hitler’s Religion : The Twisted Beliefs that Drove the Third Reich” (Regnery History, 2016), was neither an atheist nor a Christian. His hatred of the Jews bears little or no resemblance to historical Christian anti-Semitism. Rather, it was based on certain strains of contemporary “science.” Nor, for that matter, despite some claims, was he a Germanic pagan or an occultist. Some prominent Nazis cultivated astrology and occultism, while some even sought to revive the pre-Christian Germanic religion of the high god Odin or Wotan. But Hitler himself disdained such things as unscientific.

Instead, Hitler was deeply devoted to the outdoors and to Nature (with a capital “N”), to which he referred using language that theists typically reserve for deity. The term that seems best to describe his view, contends Weikart, is “pantheism,” a doctrine that identifies God with the universe. “For Hitler,” Weikart concludes, “God was Nature.”

He was also devoted to science, as he understood it. Specifically, he was a follower of “social Darwinism.” From the Darwinian principle of “natural selection,” he deduced that the supreme law of Nature (and, thus, in Hitler’s view, of “the Lord”) is the survival of the fittest. All of life is a struggle in which superior animals — including the best of them, humans (and specifically “Aryan” or Germanic humans) — have the right and even the moral duty to eliminate or enslave “inferior” animals (including “lesser races” of humans).

From this understanding flowed the Nazi extermination camps (which engaged not only in the wholesale murder of such ethnic groups as Jews, Slavs and Romas, also know as Gypsies, but the destruction of children with disabilities), the forced sterilization of “defective” people, incentive programs to encourage high German birthrates, lack of interest in hospital care for the chronically ill and the Nazi glorification of war as something good for its own sake.

In Hitler’s mind, his actions were dictated by science and ruthless logic.

Was Adolf Hitler religious? – Deseret News

Hitler was born into a catholic family , and I think its a fair assumption that in that time and place Catholicism was very conservative.  In any case Hitler did not live by Christian or catholic principles as he lived his adult life. On that basis I would say, no, he was not a Christian . He knowingly rejected the principles of religion that were instilled in him as a child. 

Drinker is claiming Hitler was not a christian because of some of the things he said,

You claimed he was a devout christian.  Do you still claim that?

pparently, politicians can lie.

Moreover , any one who ever said they were a Christian, even if they were pandering and said it dishonestly, can't be an atheist. They are always not only a Christian, but a devout one.   

That is my position too.   Merely claiming to be a Christian is insufficient.   

So, is someone a Christian merely because they claim to be?   Or merely because they believe in Jesus Christ?  Or ...

A Christian is someone who believes and is in 'possession' of the Spirit (within) as a seal of salvation.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Of course, until "we" (believers) take actual possession of "the guarantee" itself. . . we are left to struggle with our own understanding of a faith that is 'aging' over centuries of the "foolishness" of preaching, preachers, and teachers. (Some of whom get it entirely wrong, but are at liberty to continue teaching and preaching (and profiting) anyway!) 

You claimed he was a devout christian.  Do you still claim that?

Yes.  In his mind he was.  If you want to dispute that, you will need to provide definitive objective evidence to show what qualifies a person to be a christian.

Good luck with that.

Crooked Donald's lies know no bounds! What a LOSER!!

Merely claiming to be a Christian is insufficient.

Yet that is all that is required.  There exists no checklist to qualify a Christian.  All there is is the belief in Christ as the lord god. Which means:

Satanists and Mormons are both technically christians.  You don't have to worship him to be a christian, you just need to acknowledge who he is.  You only have to worship him if you want to get into heaven (and meet Hitler there since he was a believer).

In his mind he was.  If

Lol. Where do you get this garbage? 

Your whole argument is that if someone says, once, "I'm in a Christian," even if they are lying, than they are a devout Christian no matter what else they so or do. Do you not recognize how objectively silly that is?  You've made atheism impossible for anyone who ever lied about believing in God. 

Just imagine claiming someone who believed this is a devout Christian:

The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

you will need to provide definitive objective evidence to show what qualifies a person to be a christian.

No, it's on you to prove he was devout Christian.  

By the way: 

Ephesians 1:13-14  In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

can be confirmed by this verse:

I Corinthians 3: 5- 7  

What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God [SPIRT] was causing the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

There exists no checklist to qualify a Christian.

People do not agree on the defining characteristics for being a Christian.

They simply do not.   That is a fact.

Your whole argument is that if someone says, once, "I'm in a Christian," even if they are lying, than they are a devout Christian no matter what else they so or do.

Until you can objectively provide a definition of what it takes to be a christian, yes.  All one has to do is say that they believe Jesus Christ in god.  That's is all.  YOU may not believe them.  They may have their own definition of what christianity is.  But they are still considered christians.

Just imagine claiming someone who believed this is a devout Christian

So you believe that to question another's definition of christianity is not a devout christian?  Catholic church has now embraced evolution, are they no longer christians? 

Wasn't creationism a crumbling myth with the Catholic church? 

How about Earth being the center of the universe as the bible indicates?  Do you still believe that to be true?

No, it's on you to prove he was devout Christian.

1st you have to provide definitive objective evidence to show what qualifies a person to be a christian.  Until then, you cannot dispute it.  You are also unable to show that he was not devout to his own ideal of christianity.

All one has to do is say that they believe Jesus Christ in god. 

Lol. So once someone utters those words, in good faith or not, they are a devout Christian for life no matter what. It's now impossible for them to become an atheist.

What I can't believe is that anyone actually believes that. 

o you believe that to question another's definition of christianity is not a devout christian?

yes, when someone calls Christian doctrine a myth and absurd, they aren't christians.   Just like when someone says "progressive doctrine is idiotic and dangerous" they aren't a progressive. 

st you have to provide definitive objective evidence to show what qualifies a person to be a christian

no, you claimed Hitler was a devout Christian. It's up to you support that  claim and all you've done is ignore all the evidence demonstrating that he's not only not devout, he's not a christian.  

All one has to do is say that they believe Jesus Christ in god. 

My wife has a plump friend that self-identifies as thin, she a thin sexual.

Body Dysmorphia is not sexual or remotely related to sexual identity, though young women often suffer disproportionately. What you have described is the opposite of the skeletal teen falsely seeing themselves as being obese. It is mental...

Apparently you do not.  Drinker is claiming Hitler was not a christian because of some of the things he said, despite Hitler himself claiming that he was a christian.

If one simply declares themselves something, that is, identifies as a (whatever) you must therefore believe Rachel Dolezal was black because she identified as black, regardless of her genetics. Do you? 

Yes.  In his mind he was.  If you want to dispute that, you will need to provide definitive objective evidence to show what qualifies a person to be a christian.

How about everything he ever did with his power and all that he intended to do, compared to what even the most basic reading claims a Christian would do? The word "Christian", I will remind you, literally means "follower of Christ". Do you think that all that Hitler did lines up in some way with what Christ himself said or did? 

There is you definitive, objective evidence. You can keep arguing, of course, but I won't bother further than this if you do. There would be no point in arguing someone who won't accept what is objectively true. 

All one has to do is say that they believe Jesus Christ in god.

James 2:19

You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.

So once someone utters those words, in good faith or not, they are a devout Christian for life no matter what.

This 'doctrine' hails from a famous "preacher-lecturer": Dr. Billie Graham who held "mega" rallies for the sole purposes of saving souls through spoken belief alone

Billy Graham | One of the MOST POWERFUL Videos You’ll Ever Watch - Inspirational Video

CB: "A lbeit, Dr. Graham may not have been the first 'user' of the doctrine. His outdoor "stadium" revivals used to draw the religious and the non-religious. The latter would be asked to come to the front of the stage and recite the 'believer's prayer' as a sign of Christ in them thereafter. 

Of course, there is an argument between believers' whether or not the 'believer's prayer' all by itself was a sign of a 'seal' of the Spirit (it is not), but this is what Dr. Graham performed in his ministry until he retired from public view." 

So once someone utters those words, in good faith or not, they are a devout Christian for life no matter what.

Did not say that, but understand that the spin is the only way you can make your point.

when someone calls Christian doctrine a myth and absurd, they aren't christians.

How many versions of christianity are there currently?  Each version either have their own, or interpret the doctrines slightly differently than other christianity versions. 

So which are christians?  Catholics?  Mormons?  Christian scientists?  Unitarians?  Methodists?

According to your own statement, only one of the sects are christians because they only believe in their own doctrines.

no, you claimed Hitler was a devout Christian. It's up to you support that  claim

I have supported it by showing that he has stated that he is a christian.  YOU are making the claim that he is not, despite him saying that he is, and your only evidence is that he believes in a different version of christianity than you do.  Therefore No True Scotsman Fallacy

If one simply declares themselves something, that is, identifies as a (whatever) you must therefore believe Rachel Dolezal was black because she identified as black, regardless of her genetics. Do you?

Your example is only relevant if there was a physical change to your body from becoming christian.  There is not, so your comparison is nonsensical.

How about everything he ever did with his power and all that he intended to do, compared to what even the most basic reading claims a Christian would do?

Bible tells you to kill non-believers.  Jews don't believe in Jesus as god, so he seems to be following the bible under 1 specific interpretation.

The New York Times reported that, "the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a 'slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment' to eliminate Christianity."

I believe that to be true of Hitler, he was just using the Christian churches to bolster his power and claim their authority, not unlike the current Republican candidate. It's laughable to truly believe Trump gives a fuck about the bible or Christianity, he just sees them as an easy gullible resource to use to bolster his power and claim their authority as his own and many Christians, just like in Germany in the 1930's, have happily thrown their support behind him, handed over their morals and self-respect, and have fashioned him into some sort of gold painted messiah.

Hitler put "Gott mit uns!" (God with us!) on his Nazi soldiers' belts and told them he would "Make Germany Great again!" tapping into their pride and patriotism. Trump is just following in his footsteps, using gullible Christians and emblazoning "Make America Great Again" on his hats tapping into their pride and patriotism.

Did not say that, but understand that the spin is the only way you can make your point.

This is your entire argument:  "Hitler said he was a Christian in a speech, therefore he is devout and all the evidence in the world demonstrating otherwise is irrelevant."

  How many versions of christianity are there currently?  

Alot.

g to your own statement, only one of the sects are christians because they only believe in their own doctrines.

Not at all. They are all Christians if they sincerely believe in the divinity of Jesus. 

pported it by showing that he has stated that he is a christian.

Not only did you claim he was a Christian, you claimed he was "devout" and have shown zero proof of it. 

Bible tells you to kill non-believers.

Where does it say that? 

Actually, stars ARE sources of light but NOT worlds.

That’s a Hitler quote, not mine. 

He identified himself as a Christian in a 12 April 1922 speech.

That's interesting.

I was just wondering-- when was the first time Donald Trump declared himself a Christian?

Bible tells you to kill non-believers

Are you that its the Bible? Because many people are saying that it's not the Bible but rather The Koran . . .     ?

Hitler was a devout christian as well

No, he was born and raised Roman Catholic but in later years he thought that Christianity was a plot by the Jews to control people. 

Real Christians insist he was an atheist, while many real atheists insisted on calling him a christian.

While in power he took positive christian values and merged them with Nazi ideals to justify the stupidity and horror he put on the whole of Europe.

Not a christian.

He played around with paganism. Himmler was deep into the occult and tried to bring Hitler into it but he never really embraced it

While in power he took positive christian values and merged them with Nazi ideals to justify the stupidity and horror he put on the whole of Europe.

Not a christian.

Again, you are using the   True Scotsman Fallacy in your argument.  You have determined that he is not a true christian because he has said/done things that you disagree with.  Perhaps his actions and beliefs were the true christianity doctrines and yours are false.

As I have said previously, you need an objective definition of what makes a christian before you can claim someone isn't one.

I think the correct term is pantheism.

Good grief Ozzie, you want to restart this?

Do devout Christians routinely round up and slaughter their battlefield enemies, 6 million Jews, 5 million

Gypsies, Slavs, musicians, LGBTQ and other people they deemed undesirables?

He never considered Christian love, he was too busy double crossing the Russians to the tune of 20 million killed.

That's maniacal power madness, not Christianity.

Search the internet, almost nine out of ten sources will say he was not a christian.

The theists reply that Hitler’s occasional “Christian” rhetoric was just a savvy politician’s attempt to win over a largely religious populace. Privately, Hitler denied the existence of a personal God, rejected the concept of an individual afterlife, mocked Christian morality and sought to damage and, in the long term, to destroy the churches. Was Adolf Hitler religious? – Deseret News

One thing I can be certain of is that Hitler never said he was a devout Christian.

Um...I think the word is paganism. Himmler embraced the Old Nordic Gods. That is pantheism because it's more than one god

Hitler thought he was a god so why would he embrace a personal god?

why would he embrace a personal god?

The same reason trump does; to get supporters. 

Do devout Christians routinely round up and slaughter their battlefield enemies, 6 million Jews, 5 million

Ezekiel 9:5-10 NLT

Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all—old and young, girls and women and little children.

1 Samuel 15

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Deuteronomy 13:15

Ask questions, investigate. If it turns out that the report is true and this abomination did in fact take place in your community, you must execute the citizens of that town. Kill them, setting that city apart for holy destruction: the city and everything in it including its animals.

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

'When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them.

Numbers 31:17-18

So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Search the internet, almost nine out of ten sources will say he was not a christian.

Majority of people used to think the world was flat.  How'd that work out???

Majority of people used to think the world was flat.  How'd that work out???

Good thing that we don’t have majority rules in presidential elections.

Do devout Christians routinely round up and slaughter their battlefield enemies, 6 million Jews, 5 million

I hardly think 5 samples from the old testament make a winning arguement about the Christians who did not yet exist.

The world is full of examples of Christians behaving badly in Europe, The Borgias, the Crusades and their missionaries who have mistreated indigenous people everywhere throughout the world, some still doing it.

Majority of people used to think the world was flat.  How'd that work out???

Cartographers everywhere still print maps on flat paper.

Having said that you may have the last word I guess.

He played around with paganism. Himmler was deep into the occult and tried to bring Hitler into it but he never really embraced it

IIRC, at one point Hitler was trying to decide where to attack next-- Great Britain or The USSR. He finally decided to focus on the USSR first which was a big mistake -- it was a disaster.

Now a friend of mine who is a famolus Astrologer said that Hitler actually consulted an Astrologer. The Astrologer said attacking the USSR was a big mistake, he should've attacked the UK first. (Which apparently was good advice).

But Hitler didn't listen to the Astrologer. (If he did Hitler wouldn't necessarily have won the war, but he would have been more sucessful & his reign would've lasted a lot longer.

The world is full of examples of Christians behaving badly in Europe, The Borgias, the Crusades and their missionaries who have mistreated indigenous people everywhere throughout the world, some still doing it.

And The Inquisition wasn't exactly a birthday party.

(That phraseology is a reference to a quote from The Little Red Book of Chairman Mao):

A Revolution is not a birthday party.

I hardly think 5 samples from the old testament make a winning arguement about the Christians who did not yet exist.

I'm sorry, was that a different god commanding those slaughters?

The world is full of examples of Christians behaving badly in Europe, The Borgias, the Crusades and their missionaries who have mistreated indigenous people everywhere throughout the world, some still doing it.

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about death, killings, and slaughters ordered by the god of the bible.

Cartographers everywhere still print maps on flat paper.

Seriously hope that was a joke.

I'm sorry, was that a different god commanding those slaughters?

At that time there was only one Abrahamic religion for the Jews. the Old Testament includes the Torah.

Later Bibles were cobbled together by the Catholic Church, the 2nd Abrahamic religion, followed 5 or 6 hundred  years later by the Koran, the third Abrahamic religion all worshiping the same violent crazy about sex God.

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about death, killings, and slaughters ordered by the god of the bible.

Sorry, I was certain you were still trying to make the case that Hitler was a "devout Christian".

Cartographers everywhere still print maps on flat paper.

Seriously hope that was a joke.

Why? Am I wrong?

At that time there was only one Abrahamic religion for the Jews. the Old Testament includes the Torah. Later Bibles were cobbled together by the Catholic Church, the 2nd Abrahamic religion, followed 5 or 6 hundred  years later by the Koran, the third Abrahamic religion all worshiping the same violent crazy about sex God.

In other words, same god...

Sorry, I was certain you were still trying to make the case that Hitler was a "devout Christian".

Nope, never made that case.  I made a statement based on what Hitler himself has claimed. 

From that point it was a matter of explaining that you cannot say that he wasn't a christian just because you don't like what he did.  Murder and genocide are perfectly allowable and at times even encouraged in the bible.

 I made a statement based on what Hitler himself has claimed.

Any reason to suspect him of lying?

Any reason to suspect him of lying?

Nope.

Exactly, Hitler may have been a monster but he was an honest monster.

Hitler... was... honest

That is utterly ridiculous.

The entire thread is ridiculous, Hitler was no 'devout Christain' and never asserted that he was.

No shit.

The entire thread is ridiculous, Hitler was no 'devout Christain' and never asserted that he was.

And yet you have been unable to prove that assertion other than to say that in your opinion no true christian would have done the things he did, or believed in the version of christianity that he did...

Why are you so insistent that Hitler was a Christian?

Why are you so insistent that Hitler was a Christian?

Where did you see that???

I am insistent that you cannot say he isn't based on your own personal beliefs.  Hitler stated that he was a christian, and nothing anyone has said qualifies as evidence that disputes that claim.

Hitler was a devout christian as well

Lol. 

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “ Hitler, A Study in Tyranny ,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

A Nazi "No True Scottsman Fallacy"!

No true Scotsman puts ice in his single malt.

the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

Hitler said the Aryan Germans were "The Master race". The Law of selection. etc.

But since the Nazis lost the war-- wouldn't that imply that (contrary to Hitler's preaching) they were definitely not "The Master race)

No true Scotsman puts ice in his single malt.

I once knew a Scotsman who did put ice in his single malt.

But now that I think about it, he wasn't a true Scotsman because he was only half Scottish-- in fact he was half Scotch and half water!

Hitler was a devout christian as well.

While he was raised Catholic and used the Church to justify many of his racist actions, most historians recognize that he couldn't be considered a "devout" Christian even though Nazi soldiers wore belts emblazoned with "Gott mit uns!" (God with us!") and the oath that the Nazi's had to swear read “I swear by God this holy oath, that I will render to Adolf Hitler, Führer of the German Reich and People, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, unconditional obedience, and that I am ready, as a brave soldier, to risk my life at any time for this oath.”.

Hitler used religion and Christianity specifically as a tool because he knew the German people had deep roots in Catholicism, not unlike the current Orange Fuhrer who recognized the useful tools of evangelical Christianity here in America. The reality is, neither Hitler nor Trump had/have any sort of fealty to any god but themselves, but they clearly saw/see religion as a convenient way to gain support and control the masses.

German people had deep roots in Catholicism,

Only the Bavarian subset in the land of Martin Luther.

Only the Bavarian subset in the land of Martin Luther.

" The Roman Catholic faith was accepted in parts of Germany from the fifth century after Christ onward. In the 1200s, German Crusaders, called the Teutonic Knights, conquered pagan Prussia (Preußen) and converted it to Catholicism. Catholicism remained the predominant faith of Germany until the 1500s, when the Reformation movements of Martin Luther and the Swiss religious reformers began to take hold." - Germany Church History • FamilySearch

Going back to the 5th century seems like pretty deep roots to me...

Just like Jim Jones but his was limited to the People's Temple - he didn't believe in the word of God or the bible or anything - this was their way to adulation and power.  

Going back to the 5th century seems like pretty deep roots to me...

Martin Luther cut most of those roots.

even though Nazi soldiers wore belts emblazoned with "Gott mit uns!" (God with us!")

God is mentioned in many ways that really have nothing to do with a divine being. Of course"OMG" is even used by Atheists...

One common TLA ("Three Letter Acronyn") that's very common on the Internet now-a-days is "OMG"--- short for "Oh My God". It seems pretty obvious that most of the people who use it are not necessarily believers.

And if its in Tik Tok, my guess is that many of them may actually be "Spawn of The Devil"!!!

OMG-- did I actually just say that???

Being a Christian is easy.  All you have to do is declare that you are Christian and poof you're a Christian.  You don't even have to believe it.  It's a very low bar.  You'd have to dig a deep hole just to find the bar.  Don't worry.  You can still be a pervert.

Being a Christian is easy.  All you have to do is declare that you are Christian and poof you're a Christian

Exactly, it's like self-identifying as any race or gender that you choose.

No.  It's not like that at all.

What differences do you see?

If you're born black, or asian, or white you will be black or asian or white for your entire life.  If I were to 'find Jesus' today I could be a Christian today.

He wants to buy a few slaves and be their Lord.

Ne never pays for anything.

Just like his hero Drumpf.

As Religion News Service reports, Tar Heel evangelicals are sticking by Robinson despite leaving declarations of racism and graphic descriptions of purported sexual encounters with his wife's sister on a pornographic website last decade.

These Christians are silly-led in the head. Call it what it is. God has not asked them to correct the errors in the life of non-Christians (God told them to 'plant' and 'water' and allow God to to the rest (give the INCREASE  1 Corinthians 3:6)). That is, change in the heart of the unbeliever). Instead these Christians make themselves hypocritical because they are trying desperately to 'own' a society-at-large and a country 'whole.' 

Neither of the two premises above makes any sense when you have to built it on a LIE and LIARS.

Lt. Governor Mark Robinson abused his role as a church leader and/or layperson when he did not share his- this past-with his congregation (apparently) and his political party. Because now they have 'egg' on their faces and so they are attempting to walk in PRIDE by sticking 'glued to a true offender Mark Robinson. . . who by the way, continues to lie repeatedly.

Let Mark Robinson go. . . perhaps he can stop repeatedly lying. . .because excessive LYING is a really bad sin!

As Religion News Service reports, Tar Heel evangelicals are sticking by Robinson

As is Trump.

(Although with all the current brouhaha, Trump may have switched into his typical "Cover His Ass" mode-- i.e. by saying "I know nothing about it")