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Major US Pro-Palestinian Group Comes Out Against Trump

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 months ago  •  26 comments

By:   BarronsOnline

Major US Pro-Palestinian Group Comes Out Against Trump
Democrat Kamala Harris got a potential boost Tuesday after a pro-Palestinian group threatening to draw votes from her in swing state Michigan came out strongly against her Republican opponent Donald Trump.

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Democrat Kamala Harris got a potential boost Tuesday after a pro-Palestinian group threatening to draw votes from her in swing state Michigan came out strongly against her Republican opponent Donald Trump.

The Uncommitted movement stopped short of explicitly endorsing Harris, but warned in a video on social media that "it can get worse" under Trump. One of the group's co-founders, Lexi Zeidan, said voters should consider "the better antiwar approach" rather than "who is the better candidate."

The Harris campaign is worried about losing votes in places like Michigan, where anger among the state's large Arab American community over the White House's support for Israeli operations in Gaza and Lebanon has threatened to narrow already thin margins for Democrats.

The Uncommitted shift to openly opposing Trump, who is close to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will come as some relief to Harris, the vice president.

However, Abandon Harris, another group of anti-war voters, has endorsed fringe Green Party candidate Jill Stein, potentially turning her into a spoiler that would help elect Trump in swing states decided by just a few thousand votes.

Both groups, drawing heavily from Arab, Palestinian and Muslim voters, emerged in protest at President Joe Biden's backing of Israel despite mounting civilian casualties in Gaza.

Harris has attempted to walk a tightrope on the issue, saying at the Democratic presidential nomination she would get a Gaza ceasefire "done" and ensure Palestinians realize their right to "dignity, security, freedom and self-determination."

But Harris has rejected protesters' demands, such as an arms embargo on Israel -- a longtime key US ally.

Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack on Israel resulted in the deaths of 1,206 people, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally based on Israeli official figures, which include hostages killed in captivity.

Israel's retaliatory military offensive has killed 41,965 people in Gaza, most of them civilians, according to figures from the territory's health ministry that the United Nations has described as reliable.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Big blow to Trumps chances in Michigan. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

What percentage of the Michigan population are they?

Do they outnumber the autoworkers destined to lose jobs to electric car conversion?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    2 months ago
Do they outnumber the autoworkers destined to lose jobs to electric car conversion?

You don't seem to know what you think you know.

Can you enumerate how many auto workers will be lost?

Ever been on an assembly line?  Visted a car factory?

Drive trains come to the assembly line fully assembled; as those are phased out in favor of different electric motor configurations and batterie, lots of batteries, someone will have to assemble the batteries and motors.

The tentative agreements struck with Ford, Stellantis and General Motors would ensure that people who build engines and transmissions today will still earn top union wages making EV batteries and components in the future.

The goal is zero union members lost and no income lost.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    2 months ago

But the harsh reality for the democrats is that a growing number of rank-and-file union members are supporting Trump and giving up on the democrat party.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    2 months ago

That was obvious and not unusual.  There was union support at the RNC.  

I think it has more to do with certain union members just past their apprenticeships who buy into the BS

that Trump's 4 years were the best economy ever and immigration wasn't an issue.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.4  Gazoo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.3    2 months ago
“I think it has more to do with certain union members just past their apprenticeships who buy into the BS”
lol, members just past their apprenticeships are often too young to care about politics, though they should. Many union members that are in their 30’s and up, you know, the ones with bills to pay, are swinging over to trump because biden/harris has been an economic disaster for the working class.
 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.4    2 months ago
you know, the ones with bills to pay, are swinging over to trump because biden/harris has been an economic disaster for the working class.

That is an opinion I don't happen to share.  It's hyperbole and campaign propaganda.

Not as over the top as democrats controlling the weather mind you but it still defies the economic data and my own family's experiences.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.6  Gazoo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    2 months ago

[deleted] [] It’s not “hyperbole” or “campaign propaganda”. It’s an opinion formed from actually talking to ibew members.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.4    2 months ago
lol, members just past their apprenticeships are often too young to care about politics, though they should. Many union members that are in their 30’s and up, you know, the ones with bills to pay, are swinging over to trump

There was one twenty something in a debate watchers group who was polled afterwards,

the next day he was interviewed on the news parroting the same talking points.

A few days later he was behind Trump at the Butler rally, ( wearing the same clothes and the same vacant look )

He distinctly remembers how great the economy was

everyday of the Trump  Administration, apparently even during the COVID no income period.

( something I experienced rather painfully )

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    2 months ago

Are you taking into account a advent of increased robotics on the assembly lines that would indeed cost assembly workers their jobs?.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.8    2 months ago

Did you read the link? It's written into the contract.  What was deliberately not addressed was human attrition.

Eventually people die, retire etc and they will likely be replaced by Automation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

www.rawstory.com   /kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-in-new-poll/

Harris holds slight edge nationally over Trump: poll

AFP 4-5 minutes   10/8/2024


New York (AFP) –   Kamala Harris   has taken a slim lead over Donald   Trump   in the US presidential race, a new poll showed Tuesday, as the Democrat slammed her rival for "weakness" during a media blitz four weeks before the election.

Vice President Harris and Republican former president Trump -- who was doing a three-hit airwaves blitz of his own Tuesday -- are deadlocked as they scramble to get out the vote and reach the sliver of Americans who remain undecided.

The national poll conducted by Siena College and The New York Times found Harris ahead by 49 percent to 46 percent, with registered voters crediting her more than Trump with representing change and caring about people like themselves, but giving the edge to Trump on who is the stronger leader.

The rivals were tied at 47 percent in a mid-September Times/Siena poll shortly after the two clashed in their presidential debate.

The overall result is largely in line with an aggregate of national polling collated by RealClearPolitics.com, which has Harris ahead by two percentage points.

In the seven battleground states seen as likely to determine the election outcome, the race is even tighter.

Losing sleep

With Trump critics warning the election is nothing less than a referendum on American democracy, Harris conceded the knife-edge race is keeping her up at night.

"I literally lose sleep -- and have been -- over what is at stake in this election," she told radio icon Howard Stern in a 70-minute live interview Tuesday.

"This is an election that is about strength versus weakness, and weakness as projected by someone who puts himself in front of the American people and does not have the strength to stand in defense of their needs, their dreams, their desires."

Harris, the new poll showed, has begun making inroads with the rival party, with nine percent of Republicans saying they planned to support her, up from five percent last month.

She touched on the issue during a Tuesday appearance on popular ABC television show "The View," where she talked about campaigning recently with Republican former congresswoman Liz Cheney.

There are more than 200 former officials from past Republican presidents George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, as well as officials tied to Republican heavyweights John McCain and Mitt Romney, who have endorsed her, Harris said.

"We really are building a coalition around some very fundamental issues, including that we love our country and that we have to put country before party," she said.

The Democrat, who turns 60 next week, also accused Trump of "full-time perpetuating lies and misinformation," and said voters have grown "exhausted" with the strategy.

Trump meanwhile maintained his aggressive posture, attacking Harris as a "very low intelligence person" and claiming she has been "missing in action" over the federal response to Hurricane Helene -- even though Harris traveled to the disaster zone last week.

And the 78-year-old Republican insisted on conservative influencer Ben Shapiro's podcast that he has the stamina to finish strong on the campaign trail.

"I've worked about 28 days in a row, I have about 29 days left" before the election, he said, "and I'm not taking any days off."

In addition to the poll, Harris got another potential boost Tuesday after a pro-Palestinian group threatening to draw votes from her in swing state Michigan came out strongly against Trump.

The Uncommitted movement stopped short of explicitly endorsing Harris, but warned in a  video  that "it can get worse" under Trump.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

After all the money the Harris campaign got and spent?  After all the media did in the coronation of Harris?

And it is still close ????


I think the Harris campaign is in big trouble.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

Shocker! There’s a reason iran and Hamas want her to win,

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    2 months ago

Ok realistically, how many people is this? Major US Pro-Palestinian group in Michigan” sounds as oxymoronic as “Jumbo Shrimp.” And what is the likelihood they would have ever voted for Trump?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4    2 months ago

Back in the spring there was consternation over whether the Biden administrations support of Israel would cost the Democratic nominee Michigan, the state with the largest Arab population in the country. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago

I'm aware, but even if you don't like Biden (or Harris), Trump is the guy who recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. He and Bibi are bros. Why would a pro-palestinian ever vote for Trump?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    2 months ago

I think the fear was that they would stay home more than they would vote for Trump. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    2 months ago

That’s why I’m curious about how many people we’re talking about. I have to say, I think this attitude of “we’re going to boycott the election/protest by not voting” is one of the dumber takes I can imagine. Not voting for anyone is effectively voting for Trump.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago
"Israel's retaliatory military offensive has killed 41,965 people in Gaza, most of them civilians, according to figures from the territory's health ministry that the United Nations has described as reliable."

1.  "...most of them civilians..."    There is a reason they won't tell you how many were militants, because if they told you that there were about 20,000 militants included in that number who had used the civilians as human shields, their report would not be so intentionally prejudicial against Israel.  

2,  "...according to figures from the territory's health ministry..."   And if anyone believes they do not exaggerate the numbers then they are as much a fool as Hamas assumes them to be   Does anyone NOT remember that they announced that the Gaza hospital was bombed by Israel when it was then proven that it was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket?  

3. "...that the United Nations has described as reliable."    Oh, yes, the UN has so obviously taken the terrorists' side and is SO believable during this conflict, protecting its UNRWA staff that has been PROVEN to have been complicit in cooperating with and joining HAMAS in the conflict, and protecting it KNOWING it is guilty by refusing to waive its immunity in a trial brought by grieving Americans that would damn them.  

And the protesters and demonstrators continue to protest and demonstrate in favour of declared terrorists.  Again and again I ask, please, PLEASE Scotty, beam me back to the early 1950s when it was safer, people were nicer, and you could actually BELIEVE the media.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6  Right Down the Center    2 months ago

Anti semites against trump should be worn like a badge of honor

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7  Ed-NavDoc    2 months ago

So a group of anti Semitic nut cases are supporting Harris. No surprise there...

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7    2 months ago

Then would it be fair to describe Jewish organizations endorcing Harris - Walz as antisemitic nutcases? Islamaphobic nutcases?

GTFOOH!

For the record, being Palestinian doesn't equal being antisemitic!

Or, a nut case...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @7.1    2 months ago

"GTFOOH!"

You first.

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.2  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.1    2 months ago

That is brilliant /s...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @7.1.2    one month ago

Glad you liked it!

 
 

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