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Freedom Caucus Chairman Voices Support for Direct Appointment of North Carolina's Electors To Electoral College

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  11 comments

By:   Noel Fritsch (National File)

Freedom Caucus Chairman Voices Support for Direct Appointment of North Carolina's Electors To Electoral College
 

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Freedom Caucus Chairman Voices Support for Direct Appointment of North Carolina’s Electors To Electoral College


Noel Fritsch4-5 minutes 10/25/2024





Last Updated on October 25, 2024

Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Harris expressed support for the direct appointment of North Carolina’s electors by that state’s majority-Republican legislature.


The move to call a special session to directly appoint North Carolina’s electors would likely result in all sixteen electoral votes going to Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump.


Twenty-five counties in Western North Carolina were decimated by Hurricane Helene, destroying the prospects for a free, fair election in the Tar Heel State.

Congressman Harris made the comments in a meeting in Maryland on Thursday night.

Such a move would not be novel, and has long-standing historical precedent, going back to the founding of the republic.

The majority of the states’ legislatures directly appointed electors for many of the nation’s first presidential contests.

Direct Appointment of electors to the Electoral College was practiced regularly by many legislatures in the United States up until and even after the Civil War.

It was not until legislatures learned that they could avoid accountability for choosing a state’s selection for president — a vote that might be seen as a contentious vote by many constituents — that legislatures began to institute statewide popular elections in order to let themselves off the hook for a potentially controversial vote.

Crucially, the Direct Appointment of Electors by legislatures is rooted firmly in the U.S. Constitution, and not in the capriciousness of newly written state or federal statutes.

Nor is Direct Appointment of Electors by legislatures grounded in the mercurial nature of the federal judiciary, which in 1857 enforced the Dred Scott decision, which held that black Americans were not citizens, and which in 1897 enforced outright racism of the  “separate but equal” doctrine, as the Supreme Court did with Plessy v. Ferguson.

Instead, the U.S. Constitution makes it abundantly clear that the power to Directly Appoint electors resides directly and exclusively with the legislature.

In fact, the governor is not even required, should the North Carolina legislature desire to directly appoint the Old North State’s electors to Donald Trump.

The reason for this is that the parameters for the appointment of Electors to the Electoral College falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Constitution, and does not follow any state’s constitution.

READ: U.S. Constitution Allows North Carolina Legislature to Award Electors to Donald Trump in 2024

The United States Constitution gives every state legislature the power to award its electors in each of the fifty federal election contests for President of the United States.


The U.S. Constitution vests in the State legislatures – and only the legislatures – the power and the duty to select the members of the Electoral College, according to Article II, Section 1, clause 2.


Article II, Sec. 1, Clause 2 reads as follows:



Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

During the contested 2000 Bush vs. Gore election dispute in Florida, George W. Bush’s attorneys highlighted the constitutional legal precedent that provides the rationale North Carolina’s Republican legislature needs to deliver that state’s electors to Donald Trump this November.


You can hear Rep. Andy Harris’s comments here:



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

A member of the US House of Representatives, Andy Harris, the chairman of the far right Freedom Caucus in Congress,  actually suggested that the North Carolina legislature could give the states electoral votes to Trump no matter who got the most votes there.  Because the hurricane. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Well, China's doing pretty good without needing the common people to vote, so let's give it a try, eh? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    2 weeks ago

No, I dont think so. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    2 weeks ago

Your suggestion should be taken seriously.

China doesn't respect human rights... just as Trump proposes to not respect human rights - "LOCK HER UP!!!"

America‘s economy operates under an unbridaled capitalism. China operates under a capitalism moderated by the People's Party. 

America‘s economy benefits primarily the already-rich. China's economy benefits the general public.

If we look at the situations of the two countries forty years ago... and today... there is absolutely no doubt which country's general public has done better. 

In America, Musk and Bezos have done very well... John Doe not so much. 

I don't know what a Chinese "John Doe" is called, but his life has improved VASTLY more.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Although there have been some incidents of human rights violations here that have concerned me, such incidents have declined considerably.  Keep in mind that maintaining a peaceful country of 1.4 billion people is a lot more difficult and necessarily requiring more control than nations with much smaller populations.  There have in the past been incidents that upset me, and I even took the chance of posting them on NT, such as the silencing of the deserved lawsuits from the 2008 massive earthquake, the silencing of the doctor who sounded the alarm about the Covid virus outbreak, but I do not disagree with the reeducation of the terrorist, separatist and fundamentalist Uighurs.  And I do NOT believe there is slave labour any more than American prisoners are required to work and I detest hypocrisy.  However, things are getting better all the time here, abject poverty has been eradicated, the government IS listening to the people as proven by the government's compliance with the popular "blank paper" protest, and the people here appear to be generally pretty happy.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

China has contradictions. Tienanmen was government action. At the same time, there are all those high-speed trains. 

Trump says he wants to use the military against "the enemies within". Sounds like Tienanmen... and there are not many high-speed trains on the horizon.

I think the US will fall in the next few election cycles - the fascists only need one victory. The US will become a plutocracy. The EU will hang on for a while, and then follow either the American model or the Chinese model.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    2 weeks ago

Any excuse.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    2 weeks ago

They are going to try and steal the election. Hopefully the legitimate government is ready. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    2 weeks ago

Another reason the EC needs to go.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

BTW, the National File is a far right site filled with conspiracy crap.  Two of todays stories are about Seth Rich and Ashley Biden's diary. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

‘January 6th is going to be pretty fun’: How MAGA activists are preparing to undermine the election if Trump loses

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While some groups have been gathering supposed examples of election fraud for lawsuits to challenge a potential Harris win, other pro-Trump activists have coalesced around a plan to ensure Trump returns to the White House: state legislators can simply allocate their state’s electors for Trump regardless of vote counts.

The strategy generated headlines last week after Rep. Andy Harris, the chairman of the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, said it “makes a lot of sense” to allocate electors that way in North Carolina, where he suggested damage from Hurricane Helene may disenfranchise some voters.

Harris, who later walked back his comments, initially voiced support for the proposal after hearing a presentation from Raiklin, who’s known for having posted a memo that argued then-Vice President Mike Pence could have blocked certification of the 2020 election results.

Raiklin has been espousing the plan for legislators to seize control of awarding electoral votes in various states in recent weeks and receiving support from other far-right figures. Mark Finchem, a Republican candidate for state senate in Arizona, wrote on X that the “extraordinary circumstances” in North Carolina – a reference to the hurricane damage – “provide a justifiable pathway for the legislature to take action.”

Noel Fritsch, publisher of the far-right online publication National File, has argued that the US Constitution gives all state legislatures the power to choose electoral college members, which he told CNN he believes could create more national stability.

“Any movement toward direct democracy is, of course, as history shows, a move toward chaos, and that’s what we’re seeing,” Fritsch said. He cited arguments from some Republican Florida legislators who claimed they had the power to a select a slate of electors during the razor-thin 2000 presidential race.

But the recent proposal from people like Fritsch and Raiklin is rife with flaws, according to legal experts and officials. Karen Brinson Bell, the executive director of North Carolina’s election board, called the proposal a “violation of law,” and officials in the state have said that voting is proceeding without major issues despite the impact of the hurricane.

Derek Muller, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, told CNN that state legislatures would have to first repeal their laws that dictate how elections operate before appointing electors directly.

“It’s too late for the legislatures to act,” Muller said. “You’d have to go through and remove all those laws on the books, and if you’re doing that in the middle of this moment when there’s already elections happening, then you’re going to risk due process violation of changing the rules arbitrarily.”

Incidents of political violence and threats have already occurred this year, including two apparent attempts to assassinate Trump, shootings involving a DNC office and suspicious packages mailed to election offices.

In the weeks ahead of the election, some pro-Trump activists have been openly alluding to more violent chaos that they say is on the horizon.

Donald Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn said on a program last week that he thought Trump would win all 50 states if there’s a fair election but offered a grim prediction if the winner remains unknown for days.

“I feel like people are going to go to those locations where there’s counting and there could actually be violence because people are going to be, people are so upset after 2020,” said Flynn, who four years ago drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields in a speech the day before the Capitol riot.

Some extremists are already preparing “violent activity that they link to the narrative of an impending civil war, raising the risk of violence against government targets and ideological opponents,” according to a DHS memo from September obtained by the watchdog group Property of the People and shared with CNN.
 
 

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