Why it matters: Trump made his promise to deport millions of undocumented immigrants one of the cornerstones of his 2024 campaign, and his team has already begun strategizing how to carry its plan out.
A Truth Social post early Monday is the first time the president-elect has confirmed how his administration will execute the controversial plan.
Driving the news: Tom Fitton , the president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, posted on Truth Social earlier this month that Trump was "prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program."
Trump reposted Fitton's comment Monday with the caption, "TRUE!!"
Immigration advocates and lawyers are preparing to counter the plan in court.
The president-elect's team is aiming to craft executive orders that can withstand legal challenges to avoid a similar defeat that befell Trump's Muslim ban in his first term, Politico reported.
Their plans also include ending the parole program for undocumented immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela, per Politico.
Zoom out: Trump has also already begun filling out his Cabinet positions with immigration hardliners.
This includes tapping Tom Homan , the former acting head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), to serve as his "border czar."
In addition, Trump nominated South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem as his secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
There is a feeling out process going on where Trump is trying to figure out how far he can go in his cruelty towards migrants before the public says enough. After all, he wants "everyone" to love him.
The article you cited quotes Trump extensively, but does not quote him as calling the Haitians illegal immigrants.
Also, you didn't answer either of my questions.
Do you think that the majority of immigrants in this country that are referred to as " illegal" or actually asylum seekers, and if so what data causes you to draw that conclusion?
Do you believe that the majority of asylum seekers are in compliance? Are they all attending they're mandatory hearings and observing all of the rules one must follow when seeking asylum? If so, what data causes you to draw that conclusion?
Why would I answer questions that have nothing to do with anything I said?
To provide clarity and development on your opinions.
Where did I claim the majority are asylum seekers? Show me specifically where I even implied that.
Right after you show me where I said you did. I simply asked a question
Your 2nd question is even more idiotic. If they were not in compliance with the rules of seeking asylum, THEY WOULDN'T BE ASYLUM SEEKERS!!!
So.... If a person comes to the US through a legal port of entry, applies for asylum, gets a hearing date assigned, and then gets a job to support themselves while they wait for the hearing..... are they no longer an asylum seeker?
What if they miss the hearing? Are they still an asylum seeker? Or are they now an illegal alien?
So.... If a person comes to the US through a legal port of entry, applies for asylum, gets a hearing date assigned, and then gets a job to support themselves while they wait for the hearing..... are they no longer an asylum seeker?
They cannot get a legal job to support themselves because they don't have a legal status - they are in limbo until a court makes its decision. This is one of the things immigration supporters have asked Congress to fix. If they could get temporary job visas while awaiting status they wouldn't have to over stress state taxpayer resources AND would be contributing taxes like everyone else.
My idea is to greatly speed up the process so we can hold them for days/weeks instead of letting them go and leaving them in limbo for months/years.
You asking me why I think a certain way when I gave no indication or claim on how I think on the subject. You are just trying to squirm out of your bullshit reply.
So.... If a person comes to the US through a legal port of entry, applies for asylum, gets a hearing date assigned, and then gets a job to support themselves while they wait for the hearing..... are they no longer an asylum seeker?
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers. Really this is not rocket science.
What if they miss the hearing? Are they still an asylum seeker? Or are they now an illegal alien?
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers. Really this is not rocket science.
How would you view situations like that?
Oh my god!!! I mean wow, just wow. And one more time.........
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers.
I remember Eisenhower ‘’Operation Wetback’’ a fricking disaster and when the truth was told it was not nearly as successful as it claimed to be. US citizens were deported because they were ‘’Mexican’’ along with legal immigrants and to this day those memories are alive in the Mexican community.
Trump "truthed" at 4:00 this morning that yes indeed he will use the military for mass deportations. He either plans to do it just that way or he is floating a trial balloon to see how it is accepted.
Like he is going to deport American citizens because they look Mexican?
Right now on average 70 US Citizens are wrongly deported each year. How many will be caught up in what Trump has referred to as the largest deportation effort in US history?
STARTLING STATS FACTSHEET: Fiscal Year 2024 Ends With Nearly 3 Million Inadmissible Encounters, 10.8 Million Total Encounters Since FY2021
Gee - wow - 70 - I repeat - 70 - gasp.
How 'bout 3 MILLION Illegal Aliens who HAVEN'T been deported?
Set your priorities. The U.S. 70 easily get back into the U.S. by providing PROOF that they are U.S. Citizens - Illegals??? Nope, and it needs to stay that way.
CBP has recorded another roughly 2 million known gotaways since the start of FY2021, roughly four times the number recorded from FY2017-2020. The Biden-Harris administration has released millions of inadmissible aliens into the country without adequate vetting or screening, to say nothing of the roughly two million more who have entered as known gotaways. In testimony before the Committee last year, then-chief of Border Patrol Raul Ortiz said the total number of gotaways could be underreported by as much as 20 percent. There is no way to know how many more potential national security threats, violent criminals, and hardened gang members are now at large in our country. More than 390 illegal aliens on the terrorist watchlist have been apprehended attempting to cross our Southwest and northern borders between ports of entry since the beginning of FY2021—an increase of more than 3,000 percent compared to FY2017-2020. Individuals from more than 160 countries have been apprehended crossing the border illegally, including aliens from countries on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list . The Committee has documented how DHS’ processes for screening and vetting of inadmissible border crossers are wholly inadequate.
And, of course, that 2 million figure is way low from what actually occurs. Just ask us down in the SW who encounter it daily.
That it is incredibly ridiculous to suggest that a million people is a "bullshit emergency", while simultaneously suggesting that 70 people is a significant number.
Those of us who live in border states have watched for years while condescending self-righteous Yankees with thousands of miles of insulation from this problem try to virtue signal about it.
That is not to say that the immigrants themselves are more prone to crime, lazy, or possessed of any other character flaw.
But ignoring the sheer number of these people coming across and a strain they put on public infrastructure in these areas simply because it's convenient for identity politics is the real bullshit.
Who is trampling their rights? far more than that are arrested every year do you whine about trampling their rights? and you do know what potential US citizens means right, Do you have any proof, any proof at all than any citizens were deported?
OMG, I’ve been called many things in my lifetime most of them not very proper, but never and I mean never have I been called a ‘’condescending self-righteous Yankee’’ but thankfully I escaped the worst name calling and that would have been ‘’condescending self-righteous DAMN Yankee’’ that would have been over the line.
As far as identity politics that has been played as a trump card by both parties since the Declaration of Independence, in that document lies identity politics at its very worst.
I’ll be satisfied when Trump calls for the damn Germans to be deported, I was going to called for Swedes and Norwegian’s to be deported but they haven't done a lot of harm in the last couple centuries, of course the Germans have plus there are towns full of them in Texas, probably a lot of criminals/rapists/gang bangers in that lot.
Remember this is ‘merica where some men and no women are created equal, minorities are either not counted or counted as 3/5.
Now that I’ve said my peace, it’s back to the rez and my 40 acres and a plow.
Anytime you see this, it almost certainly means it didn't happen. It is a journalistic out when they are proven wrong, they can say, "Well, I didn't say it actually happened".
So it is five times more trivial than we originally believed. Which means, get this, that you are five times more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to be mistakenly deported as a US citizen.
TBH, I'm very surprised. I expected it would be significantly higher.
Let's concentrate on this, because I think we have a point of agreement here.
This would definitely be a temporary measure (I think it's kind of you to call it a "fix".) I don't know many people who don't think we need a major update to our immigration policies.
In his first term, Trump did a lot of tough talk about immigration, and illegal border crossings did go down, but we made zero actual progress toward a sustainable immigration solution. Biden came in and wildly overcorrected. Not only did he refuse to enforce the law, he actively interfered with anyone who tried to do so.
There are several indications that Trump intends to try overdo the return of the pendulum.
The only optimism I have in this situation is Elon Musk. The math around immigration and population decline in western societies is not that hard, and Elon understands math. He is on record stating that we need immigration to survive as a nation. Trump listens to Elon. Even in his election night acceptance ramble, Trump said several times "we need immigration".
I don't want to describe myself as "optimistic". It's probably more accurate to say I'm "slightly less pessimistic" about immigration than I am about several other topics.
But you're right. Deportations are a box fan on a 100 degree Texas day. We need to fix the air conditioning.
In his first term, Trump did a lot of tough talk about immigration, and illegal border crossings did go down, but we made zero actual progress toward a sustainable immigration solution.
They did go down after a crackdown, yes. Trump had ICE agents hanging around immigration courts to deport people as soon as they were denied. Remember Trump also took money allocated for military housing for his ineffectual border walls too.
Biden came in and wildly overcorrected. Not only did he refuse to enforce the law, he actively interfered with anyone who tried to do so.
Biden didn't wildly do anything. The change in management was perceived to be more lenient creating a new massive movement of migrants. Biden and his Homeland should have had a plan in place before taking over, but they didn't. They largely left Trump EO policies in place and were sued to change it. Then they were sued to change it again. Biden's policies tended to ignore immigration courts and concentrate more on the prison systems.
Not only did he refuse to enforce the law, he actively interfered with anyone who tried to do so.
They were allocating resources as they saw fit, only slightly differently than the Trump Admin. Immigration is the purview of the Federal Government. Full stop.
The only optimism I have in this situation is Elon Musk.
Prepare yourself of disappointment. He's a flake at best.
The math around immigration and population decline in western societies is not that hard, and Elon understands math.
If that were true then he'd never have purchased X. It has been losing money since he took over. He better at sniffing he own farts. He's an idea man, not an inventor. He doesn't do anything more than Trump does. They both talk a lot and occasionally have an idea, but someone else always does the work.
I don't want to describe myself as "optimistic". It's probably more accurate to say I'm "slightly less pessimistic" about immigration than I am about several other topics.
Trump being dictator on day 1 to declare a fake emergency on immigration does not make me optimistic. It makes me sad that too many people actually think his bullshit will accomplish anything meaningful except increase debt spending.
They did go down after a crackdown, yes. Trump had ICE agents hanging around immigration courts to deport people as soon as they were denied. Remember Trump also took money allocated for military housing for his ineffectual border walls too.
I wonder if the biggest impact wasn't just that his blustering made people more afraid to try to come in. I dunno. I have zero data to support or refute that, but it seems plausible.
Biden didn't wildly do anything
Well... fair point. It's not like 80 year olds do anything wildly. But the reality of the situation changed, and he had no answer.
They were allocating resources as they saw fit
Maybe, but "how they saw fit" was incompetently. Things got away from them and they did nothing.
only slightly differently than the Trump Admin.
The results suggest otherwise.
Prepare yourself of disappointment. He's a flake at best.
I'm generally prepared for disappointment. Especially when it comes to government.
If that were true then he'd never have purchased X. It has been losing money since he took over.
He's been very clear that his ownership of Twitter was never about the money. He saw that as a patriotic step toward protecting free speech. Whether that's a valid assessment or not is mere opinion, and I confess I don't care.
But his personal net worth has skyrocketed since the acquisition, so I think he understands math better than you give him credit for.
Trump being dictator on day 1 to declare a fake emergency on immigration
Let's just see what actually happens before we declare the advent of the fascist dystopian future.
Of course he did. On day one he repealed Trump's immigration executive orders and bragged about it. He then tore up the remain in mexico policy and asylum agreements with various central american countries.
Nothing is about me Jack, it’s all about the current political situation and hasn’t changed in a couple of hundred years, no matter how much the two political parties try.
I’m rarely if ever disappointed by my fellow Americans they have a unique knack of fulfilling my vision of them, good or bad.
Always remember your immigrant roots, it helps keep one grounded, Jack.
So we're agreeing that I didn't call you a damn Yankee?
it’s all about the current political situation and hasn’t changed in a couple of hundred years, no matter how much the two political parties try.
That's actually probably an excellent, very interesting discussion to have. Whisky, cigar, firepit, maybe some venison sausages....
Always remember your immigrant roots, it helps keep one grounded, Jack.
Agree 100%. For the record, I would like to see us at 2-3 times the rate of legal immigration we currently have. I think that would all but solve the illegal immigration problem, add much needed people to our workforce and tax base, save a shitload of law enforcement expense, and give us the ability to manage infrastructure. None of that works properly if we don't do the paperwork.
That will be their choice, but an illegal shouldn't be allowed to stay because of an anchor baby or wife, the American citizen will have the choice, the illegal goes home.
I never said you called me a Damn Yankee, Jack. Please re read what I wrote.
Indeed, fine bourbon, cigar venison sausages are best if they are mixed with a bit of pork.
In addition to the fine points in the legal immigration comments you made it would keep us from following, Japan, Korea, China and most of Western Europe into the abyss of negative population growth which carries plenty of it’s own problems.
Indeed, fine bourbon, cigar venison sausages are best if they are mixed with a bit of pork.
I'll defer to your expertise on the venison. I like it a lot but have no idea how it's best prepared.
In addition to the fine points in the legal immigration comments you made it would keep us from following, Japan, Korea, China and most of Western Europe into the abyss of negative population growth which carriers plenty of it’s own problems.
Exactly. I was having a conversation about South Korea the other day. That situation is alarming, and they don't appear to be able to do anything about it. It's something we really need to make sure we avoid.
That's a more valid argument than the claim of refusing to follow the law.
He's been very clear that his ownership of Twitter was never about the money.
I'd say that too if I lost $25B in a year.
He saw that as a patriotic step toward protecting free speech.
Free speech for the hateful. He's going to drive it in the ground. X lost 200K accounts just last week with most people going to Bluesky.
But his personal net worth has skyrocketed since the acquisition, so I think he understands math better than you give him credit for.
He borrowed up to his eyeballs to purchase X and lost billions -
That new estimate marks a 24% drop in value from what Fidelity estimated as of the end of July. And it represents a staggering decline of 79% from the $19.66 million that Fidelity estimated the shares were worth in October 2022 when Musk acquired Twitter.
I didn't say fascist, but we are talking about his overnight posting of calling a fake emergency and using the military to round up undesirables....
We were having the conversation about Korea, Jack. I agree it is alarming as the video showed in short order there will be no Korean people, Japan and other Asia countries are close to the same situation as well as some Western European countries. Or birth rate is very low but we have been able with migration to keep a continued growth to our advantage.
It is amazing the size of families today vs the last couple of centuries. My great grandmother born in `1833 had 17 children. I have many relative from 17th and `18th and 19th century that had a dozen kids or more. Currently those type of numbers are impossible for a number of reasons.
He made all of it back and more in a single day last month. It really doesn't matter to him. Other billionaires by yachts, private islands, soccer clubs, or mansions in multiple countries. He bought Twitter.
Free speech for the hateful.
It's not free speech if people can only say things you like.
I can date my father’s side of the family to the early mid 1500 in North America and before that it is mostly oral history, I have the photo of a painting done around the late 1700/early 1800 of my 5 x great grandmother Angelique Gourneau Folle-Avione AKA Nowananikkwee (Pretty Woman) born in 1775 and a photo of my 4 x great aunt born around 1780, Marguerite Son Gabo Ki Chi Ta (Clearing Sky Woman) she was the grand dame (nookomis) of the Reindeer Dynasty of the Ojibwe that was located from upper Michigan, Upper Wisconsin and northern MN, up Into the far reaches of Manitoba and across to Saskatchewan and part of North Dakota and Montana.
Yes, Trout was involved in that conversation as well.
This is Angelique, she had five children and I believe that the one in the cradle board is either Chief Broken Arm or Chief Wabasha, know as ‘’King of the Snakes’’ which is an interesting story in itself.
In the 1920s, 30s 40s and 50s the US deported hundreds of thousands of mostly Mexicans a vast number of them were US citizens or were in the US legally, many died and many US citizens families were destroyed and at most the Eisenhower operation ‘’wet back’’ deported around 300,000 to 350,000 not the 1.5 million that they claimed according to most historians. And here is a question for all of you, did these deportations ,,many of them illegal stop the influx of immigrants, no it did not nor will it in the future.
Congress has to get off their dead asses and come together with a comprehensive over haul of our immigration policy and with asylum and other doors to the US. We cannot afford to cut off all immigration that is legal if we did we would be in the same situation as Western Europe and much of Asia and that we cannot afford.
Congress has to get off their dead asses and come together with a comprehensive over haul of our immigration policy and with asylum and other doors to the US.
Yes. All this is going to do is be a political quagmire and eat through funding allocated for something else. It will drive up the cost of labor in markets these people worked in.
Those who voted for Trump wanted change. He told them exactly what he was going to do, and who he was going to put where in his administration, and those were about the only honest things he has said in his entire political existence. He is intentionally hobbling the country in terms of critical labor supply, self-induced inflation, and global political mayhem. I hope his voters aren’t surprised by what they are about to endure. Fuck all of you.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Trump confirms he will declare national emergency to carry out mass deportations
President-elect Trump confirmed Monday that he is planning to declare a national emergency and use the U.S. military to carry out mass deportations .
Why it matters: Trump made his promise to deport millions of undocumented immigrants one of the cornerstones of his 2024 campaign, and his team has already begun strategizing how to carry its plan out.
Driving the news: Tom Fitton , the president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, posted on Truth Social earlier this month that Trump was "prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program."
The big picture: There are an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. Trump's mass deportations are expected to impact roughly 20 million families across the country.
Zoom out: Trump has also already begun filling out his Cabinet positions with immigration hardliners.
Go deeper: How Trump's plan for mass deportations fits into U.S. history
There is a feeling out process going on where Trump is trying to figure out how far he can go in his cruelty towards migrants before the public says enough. After all, he wants "everyone" to love him.
Do you have a problem with LEGAL immigrants only coming into the country?
Why does the left have so much trouble calling them what they actually are? Illegals, these aren't migrants they are illegals.
Why does the right have so much trouble telling the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers? Asylum seekers are not illegal.
Why would you think all or even most of these people are asylum seekers?
Why would you think all of the asylum seekers are in compliance with the rules of seeking asylum?
Here is one specific example: Trump repeats baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating pets
He has repeated that lie many many times calling them illegals, despite the FACT that the Haitians are here LEGALLY .
The article you cited quotes Trump extensively, but does not quote him as calling the Haitians illegal immigrants.
Also, you didn't answer either of my questions.
Do you think that the majority of immigrants in this country that are referred to as " illegal" or actually asylum seekers, and if so what data causes you to draw that conclusion?
Do you believe that the majority of asylum seekers are in compliance? Are they all attending they're mandatory hearings and observing all of the rules one must follow when seeking asylum? If so, what data causes you to draw that conclusion?
Why does the American taxpayer have to pay for these people claiming asylum?
How many "asylum seekers" have you taken into your home to lessen the burden of the taxpayer?
It's the law. Don't like it? Call your Congress critters.
Why would I answer questions that have nothing to do with anything I said?
Where did I claim the majority are asylum seekers? Show me specifically where I even implied that.
Your 2nd question is even more idiotic. If they were not in compliance with the rules of seeking asylum, THEY WOULDN'T BE ASYLUM SEEKERS!!!
You don't like the law? Work to change it and stop whining about it.
I don't answer fucking idiotic questions.
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To provide clarity and development on your opinions.
Right after you show me where I said you did. I simply asked a question
So.... If a person comes to the US through a legal port of entry, applies for asylum, gets a hearing date assigned, and then gets a job to support themselves while they wait for the hearing..... are they no longer an asylum seeker?
What if they miss the hearing? Are they still an asylum seeker? Or are they now an illegal alien?
How would you view situations like that?
They cannot get a legal job to support themselves because they don't have a legal status - they are in limbo until a court makes its decision. This is one of the things immigration supporters have asked Congress to fix. If they could get temporary job visas while awaiting status they wouldn't have to over stress state taxpayer resources AND would be contributing taxes like everyone else.
My idea is to greatly speed up the process so we can hold them for days/weeks instead of letting them go and leaving them in limbo for months/years.
Why would I care what democrats think? And place provide links that support your ignorant claim.
Your comment history provides context for that.
I asked a question , didn't state an opinion. Perhaps you should reread the post, that you replied to.
Should I repeat your question???
"Why would you think all or even most of these people are asylum seekers?"
You asking me why I think a certain way when I gave no indication or claim on how I think on the subject. You are just trying to squirm out of your bullshit reply.
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers. Really this is not rocket science.
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers. Really this is not rocket science.
Oh my god!!! I mean wow, just wow. And one more time.........
If they violate the rules governing asylum seekers, then yes they are no longer asylum seekers.
I was hoping for a thoughtful, civil discussion. Obviously, you're not interested.
Enjoy your day.
Bullshit.
I remember Eisenhower ‘’Operation Wetback’’ a fricking disaster and when the truth was told it was not nearly as successful as it claimed to be. US citizens were deported because they were ‘’Mexican’’ along with legal immigrants and to this day those memories are alive in the Mexican community.
Trump "truthed" at 4:00 this morning that yes indeed he will use the military for mass deportations. He either plans to do it just that way or he is floating a trial balloon to see how it is accepted.
I vote for balloons, as most people know. It's what he does with most things, and some find it to be gospel and going to happen.
Like he is going to deport American citizens because they look Mexican?
Right now on average 70 US Citizens are wrongly deported each year. How many will be caught up in what Trump has referred to as the largest deportation effort in US history?
STARTLING STATS FACTSHEET: Fiscal Year 2024 Ends With Nearly 3 Million Inadmissible Encounters, 10.8 Million Total Encounters Since FY2021
Gee - wow - 70 - I repeat - 70 - gasp.
How 'bout 3 MILLION Illegal Aliens who HAVEN'T been deported?
Set your priorities. The U.S. 70 easily get back into the U.S. by providing PROOF that they are U.S. Citizens - Illegals??? Nope, and it needs to stay that way.
CBP has recorded another roughly 2 million known gotaways since the start of FY2021, roughly four times the number recorded from FY2017-2020. The Biden-Harris administration has released millions of inadmissible aliens into the country without adequate vetting or screening, to say nothing of the roughly two million more who have entered as known gotaways. In testimony before the Committee last year, then-chief of Border Patrol Raul Ortiz said the total number of gotaways could be underreported by as much as 20 percent. There is no way to know how many more potential national security threats, violent criminals, and hardened gang members are now at large in our country. More than 390 illegal aliens on the terrorist watchlist have been apprehended attempting to cross our Southwest and northern borders between ports of entry since the beginning of FY2021—an increase of more than 3,000 percent compared to FY2017-2020. Individuals from more than 160 countries have been apprehended crossing the border illegally, including aliens from countries on the State Sponsors of Terrorism list . The Committee has documented how DHS’ processes for screening and vetting of inadmissible border crossers are wholly inadequate.
And, of course, that 2 million figure is way low from what actually occurs. Just ask us down in the SW who encounter it daily.
And if that was you or a family member?
My priorities are to have CONGRESS do it's job and fix the issue, not whine and manufacture bullshit emergencies for political reasons.
So... about as many as are struck by lightning.
In Ronald Reagan's America, that would happen.
The mayors of NY and several other major cities think it's a real emergency when 500 immigrants arrive. Imagine what 500,000 must be.
WTF does that have to do with my post?
Do you have a point?
You referred to 70 as though it were significant number. So we're putting it in context.
Everything i read says 70 over a 5 year period and it "may" have been, do you have a source for your claim?
That it is incredibly ridiculous to suggest that a million people is a "bullshit emergency", while simultaneously suggesting that 70 people is a significant number.
Those of us who live in border states have watched for years while condescending self-righteous Yankees with thousands of miles of insulation from this problem try to virtue signal about it.
That is not to say that the immigrants themselves are more prone to crime, lazy, or possessed of any other character flaw.
But ignoring the sheer number of these people coming across and a strain they put on public infrastructure in these areas simply because it's convenient for identity politics is the real bullshit.
Over 5 years........May have been.
I think the number reported was listed as a per year statistic. I haven't looked it up myself, so I have no reason to doubt it.
Quite honestly, I'm surprised it's that low.
Even if I misread my number we are still talking about trampling the rights of US Citizens in a mad political boondoggle for a temporary fix.
Who is trampling their rights? far more than that are arrested every year do you whine about trampling their rights? and you do know what potential US citizens means right, Do you have any proof, any proof at all than any citizens were deported?
Next time you post statistics have the curtesy to post a link so we can verify the source.
OMG, I’ve been called many things in my lifetime most of them not very proper, but never and I mean never have I been called a ‘’condescending self-righteous Yankee’’ but thankfully I escaped the worst name calling and that would have been ‘’condescending self-righteous DAMN Yankee’’ that would have been over the line.
As far as identity politics that has been played as a trump card by both parties since the Declaration of Independence, in that document lies identity politics at its very worst.
I’ll be satisfied when Trump calls for the damn Germans to be deported, I was going to called for Swedes and Norwegian’s to be deported but they haven't done a lot of harm in the last couple centuries, of course the Germans have plus there are towns full of them in Texas, probably a lot of criminals/rapists/gang bangers in that lot.
Remember this is ‘merica where some men and no women are created equal, minorities are either not counted or counted as 3/5.
Now that I’ve said my peace, it’s back to the rez and my 40 acres and a plow.
Peace be upon you….
Anytime you see this, it almost certainly means it didn't happen. It is a journalistic out when they are proven wrong, they can say, "Well, I didn't say it actually happened".
Okay, now you're being purposefully obtuse. We're done here.
Sorry to disappoint, but you still haven't. It might just possibly be that everything isn't about you.
And also with you.
OK. Well there ya' go.
So it is five times more trivial than we originally believed. Which means, get this, that you are five times more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to be mistakenly deported as a US citizen.
TBH, I'm very surprised. I expected it would be significantly higher.
Let's concentrate on this, because I think we have a point of agreement here.
This would definitely be a temporary measure (I think it's kind of you to call it a "fix".) I don't know many people who don't think we need a major update to our immigration policies.
In his first term, Trump did a lot of tough talk about immigration, and illegal border crossings did go down, but we made zero actual progress toward a sustainable immigration solution. Biden came in and wildly overcorrected. Not only did he refuse to enforce the law, he actively interfered with anyone who tried to do so.
There are several indications that Trump intends to try overdo the return of the pendulum.
The only optimism I have in this situation is Elon Musk. The math around immigration and population decline in western societies is not that hard, and Elon understands math. He is on record stating that we need immigration to survive as a nation. Trump listens to Elon. Even in his election night acceptance ramble, Trump said several times "we need immigration".
I don't want to describe myself as "optimistic". It's probably more accurate to say I'm "slightly less pessimistic" about immigration than I am about several other topics.
But you're right. Deportations are a box fan on a 100 degree Texas day. We need to fix the air conditioning.
They did go down after a crackdown, yes. Trump had ICE agents hanging around immigration courts to deport people as soon as they were denied. Remember Trump also took money allocated for military housing for his ineffectual border walls too.
Biden didn't wildly do anything. The change in management was perceived to be more lenient creating a new massive movement of migrants. Biden and his Homeland should have had a plan in place before taking over, but they didn't. They largely left Trump EO policies in place and were sued to change it. Then they were sued to change it again. Biden's policies tended to ignore immigration courts and concentrate more on the prison systems.
They were allocating resources as they saw fit, only slightly differently than the Trump Admin. Immigration is the purview of the Federal Government. Full stop.
Prepare yourself of disappointment. He's a flake at best.
If that were true then he'd never have purchased X. It has been losing money since he took over. He better at sniffing he own farts. He's an idea man, not an inventor. He doesn't do anything more than Trump does. They both talk a lot and occasionally have an idea, but someone else always does the work.
Trump being dictator on day 1 to declare a fake emergency on immigration does not make me optimistic. It makes me sad that too many people actually think his bullshit will accomplish anything meaningful except increase debt spending.
I wonder if the biggest impact wasn't just that his blustering made people more afraid to try to come in. I dunno. I have zero data to support or refute that, but it seems plausible.
Well... fair point. It's not like 80 year olds do anything wildly. But the reality of the situation changed, and he had no answer.
Maybe, but "how they saw fit" was incompetently. Things got away from them and they did nothing.
The results suggest otherwise.
I'm generally prepared for disappointment. Especially when it comes to government.
He's been very clear that his ownership of Twitter was never about the money. He saw that as a patriotic step toward protecting free speech. Whether that's a valid assessment or not is mere opinion, and I confess I don't care.
But his personal net worth has skyrocketed since the acquisition, so I think he understands math better than you give him credit for.
Let's just see what actually happens before we declare the advent of the fascist dystopian future.
Of course he did. On day one he repealed Trump's immigration executive orders and bragged about it. He then tore up the remain in mexico policy and asylum agreements with various central american countries.
Nothing is about me Jack, it’s all about the current political situation and hasn’t changed in a couple of hundred years, no matter how much the two political parties try.
I’m rarely if ever disappointed by my fellow Americans they have a unique knack of fulfilling my vision of them, good or bad.
Always remember your immigrant roots, it helps keep one grounded, Jack.
So we're agreeing that I didn't call you a damn Yankee?
That's actually probably an excellent, very interesting discussion to have. Whisky, cigar, firepit, maybe some venison sausages....
Agree 100%. For the record, I would like to see us at 2-3 times the rate of legal immigration we currently have. I think that would all but solve the illegal immigration problem, add much needed people to our workforce and tax base, save a shitload of law enforcement expense, and give us the ability to manage infrastructure. None of that works properly if we don't do the paperwork.
The top prospect for the job has promised not to break up families.
If the person determined to be illegal has American family members, they will all be deported together according to Tom Homan the new "Border Czar".
Nice screed by House Republicans...
They probably want to make America White again, too.
That will be their choice, but an illegal shouldn't be allowed to stay because of an anchor baby or wife, the American citizen will have the choice, the illegal goes home.
I never said you called me a Damn Yankee, Jack. Please re read what I wrote.
Indeed, fine bourbon, cigar venison sausages are best if they are mixed with a bit of pork.
In addition to the fine points in the legal immigration comments you made it would keep us from following, Japan, Korea, China and most of Western Europe into the abyss of negative population growth which carries plenty of it’s own problems.
Right. I think we both know what we meant.
I'll defer to your expertise on the venison. I like it a lot but have no idea how it's best prepared.
Exactly. I was having a conversation about South Korea the other day. That situation is alarming, and they don't appear to be able to do anything about it. It's something we really need to make sure we avoid.
That's a more valid argument than the claim of refusing to follow the law.
I'd say that too if I lost $25B in a year.
Free speech for the hateful. He's going to drive it in the ground. X lost 200K accounts just last week with most people going to Bluesky.
He borrowed up to his eyeballs to purchase X and lost billions -
I didn't say fascist, but we are talking about his overnight posting of calling a fake emergency and using the military to round up undesirables....
We were having the conversation about Korea, Jack. I agree it is alarming as the video showed in short order there will be no Korean people, Japan and other Asia countries are close to the same situation as well as some Western European countries. Or birth rate is very low but we have been able with migration to keep a continued growth to our advantage.
It is amazing the size of families today vs the last couple of centuries. My great grandmother born in `1833 had 17 children. I have many relative from 17th and `18th and 19th century that had a dozen kids or more. Currently those type of numbers are impossible for a number of reasons.
He made all of it back and more in a single day last month. It really doesn't matter to him. Other billionaires by yachts, private islands, soccer clubs, or mansions in multiple countries. He bought Twitter.
It's not free speech if people can only say things you like.
I think Trout was involved, too.
That's fantastic. It's fantastic that you know that. So many of us have no idea what our families were doing even 3 generations ago.
I can date my father’s side of the family to the early mid 1500 in North America and before that it is mostly oral history, I have the photo of a painting done around the late 1700/early 1800 of my 5 x great grandmother Angelique Gourneau Folle-Avione AKA Nowananikkwee (Pretty Woman) born in 1775 and a photo of my 4 x great aunt born around 1780, Marguerite Son Gabo Ki Chi Ta (Clearing Sky Woman) she was the grand dame (nookomis) of the Reindeer Dynasty of the Ojibwe that was located from upper Michigan, Upper Wisconsin and northern MN, up Into the far reaches of Manitoba and across to Saskatchewan and part of North Dakota and Montana.
Yes, Trout was involved in that conversation as well.
This is Angelique, she had five children and I believe that the one in the cradle board is either Chief Broken Arm or Chief Wabasha, know as ‘’King of the Snakes’’ which is an interesting story in itself.
Wow - so now the "government" (Homeland Security) is racist???
Read the "link" again - Homeland Security - pure government operation.
Ohh - wait - you're saying that REPUBLICANS are racist?????
Who wodda known?
I called it: Trump will manufacture an emergency to bypass Congress and reroute funding. This will be an expensive fuck-up.
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was she buried alive ...
figuratively, yes
In the 1920s, 30s 40s and 50s the US deported hundreds of thousands of mostly Mexicans a vast number of them were US citizens or were in the US legally, many died and many US citizens families were destroyed and at most the Eisenhower operation ‘’wet back’’ deported around 300,000 to 350,000 not the 1.5 million that they claimed according to most historians. And here is a question for all of you, did these deportations ,,many of them illegal stop the influx of immigrants, no it did not nor will it in the future.
Congress has to get off their dead asses and come together with a comprehensive over haul of our immigration policy and with asylum and other doors to the US. We cannot afford to cut off all immigration that is legal if we did we would be in the same situation as Western Europe and much of Asia and that we cannot afford.
Yes. All this is going to do is be a political quagmire and eat through funding allocated for something else. It will drive up the cost of labor in markets these people worked in.
Those who voted for Trump wanted change. He told them exactly what he was going to do, and who he was going to put where in his administration, and those were about the only honest things he has said in his entire political existence. He is intentionally hobbling the country in terms of critical labor supply, self-induced inflation, and global political mayhem. I hope his voters aren’t surprised by what they are about to endure. Fuck all of you.
Embrace the suck....
Which part do you disagree with?
Excellent summation, spot on! Double fuck them all!