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Why Democrats Are Casting Trump as a Threat to Democracy

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  5 years ago  •  33 comments

By:   Uri Friedman (The Atlantic)

Why Democrats Are Casting Trump as a Threat to Democracy
The 2020 candidates are casting Trump as a threat to democracy. Their challenge will be to demonstrate to voters that the danger is real and affects their daily lives.

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To quote the church lady, "Isn't that special."  We've been inundated with jingoistic chest thumping about democracy and how democracy must be protected at all cost.  There's been a lot of talk about the free world as some sort of 'shining city on the hill'.  That demagoguery about democracy speaks in abstractions, glorified myths, and emotionally satisfying reassurances.   

But has western democracy really been democratic?

How does poverty, disparities, and tribal divisions fit into democracy?  How does social engineering fit into democracy?  How does political correctness fit into democracy?  How does censoring ideas rather than debating ideas fit into democracy?  Why does protecting democracy depend upon rules, mandates, regulations, and laws established by an authoritarian majority?

The reality of western democracy is that democracy allows a coalition formed into a majority to impose itself onto a minority in an undemocratic fashion.  The reality is that western democracy has only justified authoritarian (and sometimes totalitarian) control using undemocratic means.  The authoritarians point to rules, mandates, regulations, and laws as the tools to impose themselves onto everyone.

The greatest existential threat to democracy is democracy itself.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



U.S. presidential elections used to be about which candidate would best lead the free world. Now Democrats are advancing an unprecedented argument in modern American politics: Elect one of them to lead the free world; otherwise, Donald Trump will irreparably unravel it.

By cozying up to dictators and casting aside democratic allies abroad, and mimicking strongmen while undermining institutions at home, Trump is making the world safe for autocracy, the 2020 presidential candidates assert. The defining struggle of our time is between the forces of democracy and authoritarianism, they say, and the leader of the land of the free has strayed into enemy territory.

This was a central theme of recent foreign-policy speeches by Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Pete Buttigieg, and the rationale Kamala Harris offered in describing Trump as the top threat to U.S. national security during the first Democratic presidential debate. Last Thursday it was the core message of Joe Biden's inaugural speech on international affairs.

The world's democracies are now under more pressure than they've faced since fascism arose in the 1930s, buffeted by the ascendance of China and Russia and illiberal movements in many democratic societies, Biden observed. But "Donald Trump seems to be on the other team" and doesn't "uphold basic democratic principles." (We've reached the point in our politics where the former vice president and current front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination is alleging that the U.S. president is in league with autocrats, and it barely registers in the news.)

As if on cue, the morning of Biden's remarks, Trump "kidded" on Twitter about remaining in office well past his two terms and retweeted a far-right commentator praising the fact that Trump and like-minded strongmen such as Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro and Hungary's Viktor Orban are now leading "proud nations."

"You could never say in the last eight decades that an American president wasn't standing up for the democratic world," the former diplomat Nicholas Burns, who is currently serving as a member of Biden's foreign-policy advisory team, told me shortly after Biden's speech. Until now, that is.

For a party seeking a concise, coherent rebuttal to America First, the critique has surfaced as a kind of Theory of Everything: an organizing principle for conveying what's wrong with Trump's foreign policy, what to make of the world today, and what a Democratic president would do differently.

The challenge for Democrats will be in demonstrating to voters that the scourge they've singled out is real and really affecting Americans' daily lives, as well as in fending off the inevitable counterargument from Trump and his supporters.

The claims made by Biden and others are "typical partisan cherry-picking," James Jay Carafano of the conservative Heritage Foundation, who is mostly supportive of the Trump administration's foreign-policy record, told me. They "ignore things that countervail the narrative"—such as Barack Obama's resistance to supporting pro-democracy protests in Iran as he pursued a nuclear deal with Tehran, or Trump's efforts to push for a democratic transition in Venezuela.

Trump is not going to act like Ronald Reagan confronting the Evil Empire or Obama praising multilateralism, Carafano allowed. But Trump is trying to balance American interests and values in foreign policy more or less like his predecessors did, just through his "very unconventional" form of statecraft.

The president's "great strength, as he sees it," is "not painting the grand strategic narrative. It's, like, How do I move the ball down the field?" Carafano said. Trump's bet is that "at the end of the day, people will like the sausage. And they're going to forgive me because they don't like how the sausage gets made." (Or, as Trump put it last week, "President Xi, Putin, all of these guys go to bed at night and they pray that Joe Biden or somebody like him becomes president so they can continue to rip off our country.")

For the Democrats, spotlighting the struggle between democracy and authoritarianism is a way of highlighting the links between domestic and foreign policy—as Trump did to powerful effect in 2016. It's additional justification for their ambitious domestic agendas of reducing economic inequality, investing in education and infrastructure, reforming the campaign-finance system, and restoring voting rights. If the United States wants to spread freedom abroad and compete with authoritarian rivals such as China, they reason, that must start by strengthening democracy at home. Democrats' denunciations of Trump's attacks on the media and the rule of law, his refusal to take Russian interference in the 2016 election seriously, and his harsh immigration policies are all slotted under the rubric of ways in which the president is imperiling U.S. democracy.

As Warren told me by email, "Democracy is under assault in America and around the world … We need big, structural change to protect our democracy and refocus our foreign policy to benefit all Americans, not just wealthy elites."

In regard to foreign policy, the Democratic candidates argue that Trump, with his foreign business dealings and conflicts of interest, is an avatar of the global plague of government corruption. As they tell it, his rough treatment of America's Asian and European allies demonstrates his abandonment of fellow democrats and the values they share with the United States. His permissive attitude toward Russian challenges to U.S. interests and paltry results from nuclear negotiations with North Korea reveal how Trump's sycophancy toward Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un endanger the United States.

Many Democrats actually agree with Trump about confronting China's abusive economic practices, but they maintain that the most effective way to do that is by leveraging the economic heft of democratic allies rather than going it alone. Buttigieg has even tied promoting democracy to counteracting climate change, noting that he didn't think it was coincidental "that extraction economies and polluting societies are often those with a tendency towards authoritarianism."

There are, however, telling differences lurking behind this common narrative. Biden tends to describe Trump as an "anomaly" who must be overcome to "go back to normalcy," whereas Sanders argues that the "status quo" internationally, especially when it comes to kleptocracy, "is part of what delivered Trump" and gave rise to authoritarianism, Matt Duss, Sanders's foreign-policy adviser, told me. (Biden has promised anti-corruption steps such as ending the practice of creating anonymous shell companies.)

Ned Price, a former national-security aide to Obama who is now with National Security Action, pointed to polling commissioned by the group that shows that nearly 60 percent of voters are concerned about Trump siding with dictators and neglecting American values. "We've been trying to make the case [to Democratic candidates] that this is smart policy and smart politics," said Price, whose organization provides the Democratic presidential campaigns with strategy memos and messaging points.

Democracy and human rights, traditionally championed by both Democrats and Republicans, albeit in divergent ways, have thus become thoroughly bound up in America's bitter political divides. And the focus on the contest between democracy and authoritarianism could determine the direction of the next Democratic administration, even if, for the time being, the candidates' policy prescriptions tend to pale in comparison with their diagnosis and the rhetoric they're employing.

Andrea Kendall-Taylor, an expert on the interplay between authoritarianism and democracy at the Center for a New American Security, told me that the alarms Democrats are sounding could turn into concrete policies: from targeted infrastructure investments in countries with democratic potential to efforts to establish cyber, space, and artificial-intelligence norms before China does.

Still, Kendall-Taylor acknowledged that "we run the risk of just recommending what we used to do—like [if] we can rewind the clock to a pre-Trump time … that everything will be okay." Given that voters tend to brush aside abstract concerns about "authoritarian resurgence" and the "liberal international order," she said the candidates will need to relate the problem "back to the everyday lives of Americans" for their message to resonate.

Biden's most novel proposal was convening a summit of the world's democracies during his first year as president—a big idea that nevertheless seemed rather small relative to China's enormous infrastructure projects around the world and Russia's globe-spanning meddling in democratic elections. (A bureaucratic gathering of government officials and private-sector representatives is also unlikely to hold much appeal for the average voter.)

Warren's suggestions include banning American lobbyists from serving as paid representatives of foreign governments and companies, and creating greater separation between the Defense Department and defense contractors as part of a broader effort to slash military spending.

Sanders has asserted that the competition between "authoritarianism, oligarchy, and kleptocracy" and "democracy, egalitarianism, and economic, social, racial, and environmental justice" has bearing on the "entire future of the planet." He has called for constructing "a global democratic movement" to counter the former. When I asked Duss what that meant exactly, he said Sanders wasn't necessarily urging the creation of some new international structure, but rather advocating for the United States to speak out consistently on human-rights issues involving adversaries and allies alike—criticizing China's repression of its Uighur minority, for example, even as a President Sanders would partner with Beijing on combatting climate change. (Trump has setaside democracy and human-rights issues with China in his pursuit of a trade deal with Chinese President Xi Jinping.)

Sanders "certainly wouldn't be declaring his love for Kim Jong Un the way Trump has," Duss noted, but "at some point, he definitely would be willing to meet with Kim." ("I just can't answer that because you don't want to commit someone," Burns said when I asked whether Biden would meet with Kim.)

Duss said Sanders would support talks between Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro, and the opposition leader, Juan Guaido, whom the Trump administration has recognized as the country's legitimate president, to bring about free and fair elections. Sanders, however, is critical of the manner in which Trump endorsed Guaido and "put the U.S. at the head of this effort in a way that's unhelpful" and has so far failed. When I asked whether a President Sanders would withdraw U.S. diplomatic recognition of Guaido and his representatives in D.C., Duss didn't rule that out. "We'd have to wait and see," he responded.

When my colleague Yara Bayoumy and I investigated how the U.S. alliance with Saudi Arabia could change under a Democratic president, we similarly found that the relationship would likely be reset and downsized—no U.S. support for Riyadh's military adventurism, restricted arms sales, a tendency to view Saudi Arabia as just as problematic as Iran—but not eliminated altogether.

Price told me that the mission now is to build a "community of democracies that would perhaps more closely resemble what we saw in the post-World War II era and the height of the Cold War than what we've seen more recently."

Yet when we spoke about specific policies, his answers seemed to suggest more a reversion to the pre-Trump era than the dawn of a new one: striking a balance between advancing Americans interests and not forsaking American values in relations with Saudi Arabia; downplaying disputes with NATO members about their insufficient defense spending, since the alliance's larger purpose is to check Russia; enabling nuclear negotiations with North Korea at lower levels of the U.S. government that could culminate in a meeting between the leaders of the two countries if there's a real agreement to sign. "It wouldn't be all that different from what previous presidents, both Democratic and Republican, have done," Price said.

Carafano told me he doesn't think the Democratic gambit will work. Voters, he argued, tend to choose their candidate based on the politician's domestic-policy positions and then trust him or her to do the right thing on foreign policy. Those who like Trump will vote for him; those who don't won't; and those in the middle will make their decision based on whether they feel safe and economically better off, he said, not on whether or not the president is abetting authoritarianism.

When I asked Burns whether he was concerned about the issues of democracy and human rights getting politicized over the course of the 2020 campaign, he dismissed the point.

"You have an American president who is refusing to stand up for democracy, refuses to support our democratic allies in Europe … and coddles dictators," he said. "This is not only fair game. It's essential that people speak out about this." Whether this will translate into votes at home is a different question.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    5 years ago

Why is a President selected by a small portion of the population not a dictator?  Just because someone is elected by a plurality of votes doesn't mean they represent a democracy.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2  Paula Bartholomew    5 years ago

Trump made himself a threat to democracy, especially with his veiled endorsement of The Proud Boys during that farce of a debate.  Trump is also a high security risk with all the money he owes to foreign countries and banks.  Had all of this been known four years ago, the debt he owes would negate his obtaining a secret clearance.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    5 years ago

Who did bigot Richard Spencer endorse for President?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    5 years ago
Trump made himself a threat to democracy, especially with his veiled endorsement of The Proud Boys during that farce of a debate.

Trump's actions after becoming POTUS is what makes him a threat to Democracy.

  • Blatantly violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution.
  • Refuses to honor legal subpoenas and tells his underlings to ignore them as well.
  • Multiple violations of the Hatch act.
  • Promotes voter fraud by telling people to vote more than once.
  • Commutes and pardons FRIENDS convicted of various crimes involving Trump himself.
  • Fires investigators who are investigating Trump or Trump organizations.
  • Attempts to censor the press.
  • Utilizes taxpayer money for campaign events.
  • Threatens foreign countries if they do not take part in his re-election.
  • Sides with a hostile foreign country over the US.
  • Refuses to state that he will accept the vote of the people in the next election.
  • Promotes intimidation at voting locations.

Here's a small list.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    5 years ago

None of these allegations are true

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.1    5 years ago

None of these allegations are true

Pick one and I'll show you evidence....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.2    5 years ago
Refuses to honor legal subpoenas

Never happened. Trump has complied with all court ordered subpoenas.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.3    5 years ago
Refuses to honor legal subpoenas
Never happened. Trump has complied with all court ordered subpoenas.

As the Democrat-led House investigates President Donald Trump in its impeachment inquiry – the White House continues to push back, telling numerous officials to ignore congressional subpoenas.

And, before you pull the crap, during impeachment proceedings, Trump DID NOT invoke Executive Privilege .

Here Are All Trump Officials Facing Subpoena Deadlines About Ukraine And What Will Happen if They Don't Comply

You want to try a different one????

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.4    5 years ago

Umm. You understand the constitution exists right? 

what court ordered Trump to comply with these subpoenas he supposedly ignored?  

You want to try a different one???

first prove your first point.  Its illegal to legal subpoenas. Which court order has trump ignored?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.5    5 years ago
what court ordered Trump to comply with these subpoenas he supposedly ignored?

Are you trying to imply that subpoenas issued by the House are not legal???  Is that your argument?

Congressional Subpoena Power and Executive Privilege: The Coming Showdown Between the Branches

How do congressional subpoenas work?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.3    5 years ago
"Never happened. Trump has complied with all court ordered subpoenas."

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Ozzwald
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2.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    5 years ago

You notice that many of them are not even trying to hide the lies anymore?  Too often they just claim that something didn't happen despite it being widely reported on and recorded on video for the world to see. 

They are repurposing the old "just say no" campaign for their denial of facts.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    5 years ago

Show me one he hasn’t.  Cmon. Prove something for once.,

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    5 years ago

Too often they just claim that something didn't happen despite it being widely reported on and recorded on video for the world to see. 

you mean like people who claim sandman harassed the old man with a drum? Or that the Steele dossier was confirmed?  That Michael Cohen met with Russians in Prague?  

Can’t reason with those people.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.6    5 years ago

Are you aware of how our country works? People have the right to Challenge the validity of a subpoena and ask a court to rule on its validity.  Trump has compiled with all court orders. Its up to the issuer to seek enforcement. 

still waiting for you to provide one example where he refused a court order to comply with a valid subpoena,

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.10    5 years ago
you mean like people who

Deflect much???

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.11    5 years ago
People have the right to Challenge the validity of a subpoena

Validity was never challenged, TRY AGAIN.

still waiting for you to provide one example where he refused a court order to comply with a valid subpoena

I see you have now changed your phrasing in an attempt to save face, and are trying to claim something that was never part of the original statement by either of us.....

loser-emoticon-illustration-id164486208 Let me point up to the original statements....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.12    5 years ago
Deflect much???

I didn't deflect at all. Just having an ironic laugh while I wait for your example of Trump refusing a Court order to comply with a valid subpoena. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.13    5 years ago
dity was never challenged, TRY AGAIN

Because no brought them before a Court and tried to enforce them.  How you'd miss that?  

Let me point up to the original statements....

Right. My first comment was  "Trump has complied with all court ordered subpoenas".  I'm still waiting for you to offer proof that he hasn't. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.15    5 years ago
Because no brought them before a Court and tried to enforce them.  How you'd miss that?

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with the question.  The fact that Contempt of Congress was not pursued by the House, does not speak towards the validity of the subpoenas.  Your argument is asinine at best.

Right. My first comment was  " Trump has complied with all court ordered subpoenas". 

Are you claiming that House issued subpoenas are not legal, or are you trying to argue about something I never claimed?  Either way is a deflection since I never claimed "court ordered" in my list.  

Or did you miss that part???

loser-emoticon-illustration-id164486208 Here, I'll point to my original statement that YOU chose to respond to...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    5 years ago

Spot on.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.18  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    5 years ago
Refuses to state that he will accept the vote of the people in the next election

You mean like the Democrats and the left accepted the vote of the people in the last election? Don't go into how clinton got more votes nationally than the did. We have never elected a president by national popular vote. All president's have been elected by receiving the majority of the electoral votes save one. And btw the country is not a democracy but a republic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.9    5 years ago
Cmon. Prove something for once

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    5 years ago

Biden and the Democrats have pretty much endorsed the violence, looting, and rioting of Antifa, BLM, and similar left wing groups by not condemning their actions

No one knows for sure how much owes, or to who.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.4  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    5 years ago
Trump made himself a threat to democracy, especially with his veiled endorsement of The Proud Boys during that farce of a debate.  Trump is also a high security risk with all the money he owes to foreign countries and banks.  Had all of this been known four years ago, the debt he owes would negate his obtaining a secret clearance.

Trump became a threat to democracy by winning the election without receiving a plurality of votes.

Trump winning the election threatened to reveal that the political class has been lying to us all along.  According to the political demagoguery about democracy, Trump was not democratically elected.

Trump's election threatens the political establishment that has been built upon a lie.  Has the democracy that the political establishment claims to be defending really been democratic?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.4.1  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @2.4    5 years ago

How is it better with donald just lying to us and his graft...

One shithole into a deeper one.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.4.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @2.4.1    5 years ago
How is it better with donald just lying to us and his graft... One shithole into a deeper one.

It may not be better with Trump.  But is it different?  

The promises made by the anti-Trump opposition have not come to pass.  Nazis have not risen up and started a race war.  White Supremacists haven't run wild through the streets spreading destruction, mayhem, and chaos.  The alt-right has not been tearing down America.  Neo-Confederates haven't seceded to claim independence.

The United States isn't less of a democracy with Trump than it was before Trump.  And the United States won't become more of a democracy by removing Trump. 

The hair-on-fire claims that Trump won't leave office are being made by politicians who haven't left office in over 30 years.  Those entrenched politicians want to replace Trump with a colleague who had held public office for 37 years.  

It may not be better with Trump.  But is it different?  And could it be worse?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.4.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Nerm_L @2.4.2    5 years ago

White Supremacists haven't run wild through the streets spreading destruction, mayhem, and chaos.

Only because Trump basically told them to stand back, but stay armed...for now.  One word from Hair Hitler and it will be safety's off and full steam ahead.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.4.4  cjcold  replied to  Nerm_L @2.4.2    5 years ago
White Supremacists haven't run wild through the streets spreading destruction

Actually it's false flag operations by proud boys and boogaloo that are instigating violence and destruction.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
2.4.5  arkpdx  replied to  cjcold @2.4.4    5 years ago

And your proof is?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.4.6  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @2.4.4    5 years ago

YES, EXACTLY!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.4.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  cjcold @2.4.4    5 years ago
Actually it's false flag operations by proud boys and boogaloo that are instigating violence and destruction.

How many White Supremacists are Russian agents?  How many White Supremacists work for the CIA?

Maybe it is the Proud Boys breaking windows.  But BLM protesters are carrying away the televisions.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
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4  Trotsky's Spectre    5 years ago

As I see it, there is no constituency for democracy anywhere on the spectrum of official ruling class politics.

 
 

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