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NYC Mayor Adams says city is at 'breaking point' with arrival of migrants sent from Texas

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  2 years ago  •  208 comments

By:   Paul Best (Fox News)

NYC Mayor Adams says city is at 'breaking point' with arrival of migrants sent from Texas
More than 2,200 migrants have been bused to New York City from Texas since last month, prompting Mayor Eric Adams to say the city is at a "breaking point."

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What is Mayor Adams complaining about, now?  The 'migrants' sent to New York have already been pre-screened.  New York hasn't had to deal with the worst of what's coming across the border.  Adams doesn't have to worry about the 'migrants' sent to New York causing a spike in crime.  If anything, Adams will have to protect these 'migrants' from New Yorkers.

Mayor Adams can't even deal with the easy part.  Whine, whine, whine.  Beg for money, as if New York is the epicenter of poverty in the United States.  Play the victim card.  But, by all means, do everything possible to ignore the real problem.  


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New York City Mayor Eric Adams said Wednesday that the city is at a "breaking point" due to thousands of migrants who have been sent by bus from Texas in recent weeks.

"In the last few months, we have experienced an unprecedented surge of asylum seekers arriving from the southern border," Adams said Wednesday.

"In this new and unforeseen reality, where we expect thousands more to arrive every week going forward, the city's system is nearing its breaking point. As a result, the city's prior practices, which never contemplated the bussing of thousands of people into New York City, must be reassessed."

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has been bussing migrants to New York City; Washington, D.C.; and Chicago in an effort to offer border towns relief and raise awareness about the crisis.

Since early August, Texas has sent more than 2,200 migrants to New York City, 7,900 migrants to the nation's capital and about 300 migrants to Chicago.

"They all are concerned about a few dozen or a few hundred migrants coming to their town," Gov. Abbott told Fox News earlier this week. "We get that many per hour in almost every community across the border. So we're dealing with this all the time."

Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser has asked twice for the National Guard to be activated to "help prevent a prolonged humanitarian crisis in our nation's capital resulting from the daily arrival of migrants," but the Pentagon has denied both requests.

Illinois Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker said Tuesday that he is activating 75 National Guard troops to assist with the influx of migrants, accusing Gov. Abbott of "a heartless display of politics over people."

There have been more than two million migrant encounters at the southern border so far this fiscal year, a new record high, including more than 200,000 each of the past four months.

New York Mayor Eric Adams speaks during a news conference at City Hall in New York City on Jan. 24, 2022. (REUTERS/Brendan McDermid)

Texas launched Operation Lone Star last year, authorizing the National Guard to crack down on crime at the border.

Since March 2021, more than 302,000 migrants have been apprehended through Operation Lone Star just in Texas, resulting in more than 19,700 criminal arrests and the seizure of 340 million lethal doses of fentanyl, according to Abbott.

Mayor Adams, meanwhile, said that "no city official, advocate, or court ever could have contemplated" the "reality" of the migrant crisis.

A migrant family sits after being processed on May 5, 2022, in Roma, Texas. (Brandon Bell/Getty Images)

"Since May, this administration, on its own, has safely and efficiently provided shelter, health care, education, and a host of other services to more than 11,000 people predominantly from Central and South America who are seeking a better life," Adams said Wednesday.

"While some may want to use these extraordinary circumstances as an opportunity to play an unproductive game of gotcha, we remain focused on supporting each of these individuals and families who need our city's help."


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    2 years ago

Poor, mistreated New York.  It's so unfair.  Bless their hearts.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago

I thought NYC and Washington DC  are sanctuary cities.  That implies that they can handle the illegals and not need any kind of assistance.  

Oh that's right.  With the sanctuary city declaration they also became part of the NIMBY parasites.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

The largest city in the country is apparently being brought to its knees by about the same number of immigrants that tiny border cities are asked to handle on a daily basis. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 years ago

You gotta feel bad for those poor bastards in NYC.  I mean, that SOB Abbott sent 2,200 migrants to a city of 18.8 million people and that has almost broken the system in NYC.  How horrible it must be for the citizens who live there.  Of course Adams could always take a page from Chicago and just bus the migrants to other cities in the state...   

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 years ago

Nerm,

What a pile of steaming poop. Texas gov is using these people as political chattel. How do I know? Well, Gov DeSantis has now kicked in, and is spending Florida's tax dollars to send migrants to Martha's Vinyard? He isn't a border state, is he? This is nothing more than political spite, using people. Disgusting.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago

There is no place on the Vineyard for them to stay. The locals will have to fly them out.

It is kind of crazy.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 years ago
There is no place on the Vineyard for them to stay.

That can't be, after Labor Day there should be lot's of places available until next summer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.1    2 years ago

Lol, no it don't work that way. By next summer they might as well bulldoze any Hotel that took 'em in.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 years ago
There is no place on the Vineyard for them to stay. The locals will have to fly them out.

It is kind of crazy.

Totally. And yet the kindness there has been outstanding. They are being housed in a local church. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 years ago
"By next summer they might as well bulldoze any Hotel that took 'em in."

Why?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 years ago
Hotel?

Massachusetts can do better than that. I just found a large number number of family houses on Airbnb available now.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 years ago
There is no place on the Vineyard for them to stay. The locals will have to fly them out.

I'm not so sure about this. The uber-wealthy homeowners/renters like Gates, the Obamas, Oprah, Larry David, David Letterman, Diane Sawyer, Spike Lee, among others need their homes dusted/vacuumed, windows washed, snow removed, gardens tended to, and lawns mown. Many of these homes have quarters for their workers. Remember - these are jobs we've been told that Americans won't do.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.6    2 years ago

You may have a point.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.8  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 years ago
There is no place on the Vineyard for them to stay. The locals will have to fly them out.It is kind of crazy.

Are we supposed to believe that Martha's Vineyard cannot accommodate 100 immigrants?  Martha's Vineyard is a tourist destination that has capacity to accommodate a substantial transient population.

New York, D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, and Martha's Vineyard are not complaining about the arrival of immigrants.  What they're really complaining about is uncontrolled arrival of immigrants.  Uncontrolled arrivals create problems that are distinctly different than typical problems associated with the arrival of immigrants.

Uncontrolled arrivals is really what the border states are complaining about, too.  Uncontrolled arrivals create a different set of problems than arrivals through a port of entry.  Uncontrolled arrivals (illegal immigration) creates a crisis every day trying to find accommodations, food, and resources.  The border states don't seem to have a problem with controlled arrivals through a port of entry.  Entry through a port of entry may still overwhelm resources but at least everyone has a heads up about what's coming.

Fundamentally the debate isn't about immigration at all.  The debate and root cause of the problem are uncontrolled arrivals versus controlled arrivals.  IMO we won't even address the issue of immigration until we get a handle on uncontrolled arrivals.  We can't cope with uncontrolled arrivals.  That's the whole point of Abbott's exercise.  Abbott isn't shipping immigrants to sanctuary cities to oppose immigration.  Abbott is making the point that there isn't any control over the arrival of immigrants.  Without control over the arrival of immigrants there is a constant crisis of finding accommodations and resources.  That's what these sanctuary cities are really experiencing.

The issue isn't immigration.  The real issue is how people are entering the country.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.8    2 years ago

pposed to believe that Martha's Vineyard cannot accommodate 100 immigrants?

I think they get a 100,000 plus  visitors a year, but 50 brown people cause a meltdown.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.8    2 years ago
The issue isn't immigration.  The real issue is how people are entering the country.

You're correct. Also, Democrats never complained when Biden transported illegal aliens by plane or bus to many states, and they didn't complain when the Democrat mayor of El Paso sent illegal aliens to other locations. Rather curious that they're having a meltdown now!

 
 
 
evilone
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6.2  evilone  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
This is nothing more than political spite, using people. Disgusting.

I think the Feds should start arresting and charging people with kidnapping and trafficking.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilone @6.2    2 years ago
I think the Feds should start arresting and charging people with kidnapping and trafficking.

I totally agree.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    2 years ago
I think you should know they went willingly, no one was forced. 

Are you kidding me? They didn't even know where they were going. They were herded onto a plane.

Tell me, how do you think it will play in Florida when they have to foot this bill for DeSantis' so called political gain?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.4    2 years ago

This is new news. Abbott I can understand. Florida... not so much.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  evilone @6.2    2 years ago
I think the Feds should start arresting and charging people with kidnapping and trafficking.

Wouldn't that be admitting that there is a problem?  That's not in the Administration's agenda.

 
 
 
evilone
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6.2.8  evilone  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.2.6    2 years ago
Wouldn't that be admitting that there is a problem?

A political partisan problem, yes. We already knew that though.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  evilone @6.2.8    2 years ago
A political partisan problem,

That hasn't stopped the Dems yet.  

 
 
 
evilone
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6.2.10  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    2 years ago
I think you should know they went willingly, no one was forced. 

I call bullshit on that one. It's been widely reported they had no idea what was going on or where they were going. Sometimes they were lied to. Once the feds start locking up bus drivers and pilots and start interviewing people in the states where they came from this will go away as quickly as it started. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  evilone @6.2.10    2 years ago
Once the feds start locking up bus drivers and pilots and

Aren't they contracted?  Is going after bus drivers going to be popular with the base?  Hopefully they are union drivers.  

Why do you want to keep them in shithole Texas anyhow after all these people have been through?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @6.2.10    2 years ago

And i call bulllshit on your bullshit. I really don't think that those people say no they want to stay but rather, get in a rather crowded line to board. They aren't herding them like cattle on those busses and planes ala Auschwitz.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
exas gov is using these people as political chattel. Ho

Right. Disgusting to put illegals aliens on a plane or bus and drop them off somewhere with no notice. 

Anyone who does that should be impeached. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6.3.1  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.3    2 years ago

Transferring immigrants who have temporary asylum protections to family and jobs awaiting them is not "dropping them off without notice"!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @6.3.1    2 years ago

Most have neither.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.4  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago

We all contribute to the federal infrastructure and resources going to Texas and Florida for immigrats.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.4    2 years ago
We all contribute to the federal infrastructure and resources

Not all, just 43% of our households did.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.5  afrayedknot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago

“This is nothing more than political spite, using people. Disgusting.”

In what way is this leadership?

Leadership means acknowledging a problem, addressing it, and building coalitions to bring all parties into the conversation. Wasting tax dollars to score political points is not only ineffective, it is simply petty. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  afrayedknot @6.5    2 years ago
Leadership means acknowledging a problem, addressing it, and building coalitions to bring all parties into the conversation. Wasting tax dollars to score political points is not only ineffective, it is simply petty. 

I totally agree.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @6.5    2 years ago

This is Democratic leadership:

Democrat :"Come to our city, we will protect you from US immigration laws."

States inundated by aliens due to open border crises: "Here are some people who want to come to your city"

Democrat: "This is illegal.   You are destroying our cities. Arrest DeSantis."

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.5.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @6.5    2 years ago
Leadership means acknowledging a problem, addressing it, and building coalitions to bring all parties into the conversation.

Exactly, that's just what VP Kamala Harris would do if it was her problem.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
political chattel

What should these little border towns do instead?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.6.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.6    2 years ago

Look, you could defend Texas for doing this... even that would be questionable. But I didn't know that Florida was a border town. I mean come on. This is nothing more than political theater. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.6.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.1    2 years ago

Again, what should the border towns do?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.6.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.1    2 years ago
But I didn't know that Florida was a border town.

Were they in Florida before the flight?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.6.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.1    2 years ago
"This is nothing more than political theater". 

It's strongly making a point though, isn't it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.6.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.6.3    2 years ago
Again, what should the border towns do?

First of all, they are getting funds from the US gov. 

Second, they should take this up with Biden. This has nada to do with these other states. One state should not make their problems other states. 

Here is an idea. Rikers is full. How about NYC send our criminals to Texas and Florida. They have a good prison system. We can just dump them in Dallas and Miami. 

That makes a point, too.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.6.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.6    2 years ago
First of all, they are getting funds from the US gov.

Who is, how much, for what?

they should take this up with Biden.

D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) declared a public emergency Thursday over the influx of asylum seekers bused in from Texas and Arizona, a formality that allows her to release $10 million in city funds to aid the migrants while also acknowledging that the Biden administration isn’t likely to play a more active role.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.6.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.6.7    2 years ago

I am talking about at the border, not in DC.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.6.9  afrayedknot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.1    2 years ago

“This is nothing more than political theater.”

Bad actors all about. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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6.6.10  goose is back  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.6.1    2 years ago
Look, you could defend Texas for doing this.

Were illegal aliens flown to Florida from Texas by the Biden administration?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
"This is nothing more than political spite, using people. Disgusting."

What do you think Biden is doing....and his administration flies them in during the dark of night

The border states didn't ask for this daily invasion, and Biden refuses to offer them any help or relief

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.7.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @6.7    2 years ago

First of all, Biden is flying children at the border to their families. Read here:

And while I agree that the border states didn't ask for this, and this mess needs to be cleaned up, flying them to states who never invited them, despite what the GOP talking points say, is wrong. What is worse is when a non-border state spends its tax payer dollars on this for political gain.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.7.2  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.7.1    2 years ago

These really look like children./S

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.7.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.7.1    2 years ago
flying them to states who never invited them,

You mean declaring a city a "sanctuary city" can't be seen as an open invitation to go there?  Seems like Abbot and DeSantis are helping NYC and other sanctuary cities get what they ask for. 

It boils down to control.  Sanctuary cities want to control how many and when illegals arrive.  Abbot and DeSantis, aren't playing that game by sending bus / plane loads of illegals to these cities, they don't have control.  Now they are crying over a self inflicted problem.

And it's nothing like Biden's "Illegal Airlines" that are secretly landing under the cover of darkness.  These planes and buses are arriving in broad day light for the world to see.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.7.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.7.3    2 years ago
And it's nothing like Biden's "Illegal Airlines" that are secretly landing under the cover of darkness. 

Do you mean all of the surreptitious charter planes filled with illegal alien adults that Biden sent to TN, CT, NY (Westchester and Long Island), and NJ airports ... among others?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
Disgusting.

What would be really disgusting, is keeping these poor people in little towns in racist Texas were the kids wouldn't even get a decent education and the woman couldn't get an abortion if they want one - that's disgusting.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.8.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.8    2 years ago

Excuse me? Did you just call Texans racists?

Drinker, I don't do sarcasm. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6.8.2  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.8    2 years ago

Your mischaracterization is disgusting as the overwhelming majority of immigrants disperse voluntarily to family, friends, jobs and housing that are awaiting them. They are not "kept" in small border towns. Surely you know this.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.8.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.8.1    2 years ago

I'm trying to assimilate more in this community.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.8.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.8.2    2 years ago
They are not "kept" in small border towns.

Where are they getting on the buses, in front of Uncle Julio's house?

 
 
 
JBB
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6.8.5  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.8.4    2 years ago

The people voluntarily boarded busses to other parts of the country are plainly not being "kept" in small border towns in Texas...

Why engage with you if you're being dishonest?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.8.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @6.8.2    2 years ago
"Your mischaracterization is disgusting as the overwhelming majority of immigrants disperse voluntarily to family, friends, jobs and housing that are awaiting them".

This statement is total unsupported bull shit.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.8.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.8.4    2 years ago

Bingo. El Paso right now cannot handle the numbers they are seeing

 
 
 
JBB
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6.8.8  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @6.8.6    2 years ago

No Greg, it is an honest account of reality...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.8.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @6.8.9    2 years ago

Have I? That whole diatribe was meant as a diversion. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6.8.11  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.8.7    2 years ago

The North Carolina pork producers want them!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.8.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.8.5    2 years ago

T o deal with the unprecedented number of migrants, especially family members, CBP stood up six temporary, steel-framed structures. The f acilities in Donna, El Paso and Tornillo, Texas, and in Yuma, Arizona, are weatherproof, climate-controlled spaces that include a variety of services to accommodate the incoming migrants.

“The additional capacity of these critical structures provides much needed help during the crisis,” Border Patrol Division Chief Lloyd Easterling, who is responsible for the temporary facilities in Donna, Texas, said at the peak of the immigrant flows this summer. But he added those facilities filled up as soon as they were constructed. CBP stood up the first facility in May and doubled the holding space for family units with a second facility in June.

From Day One, President Joe Biden’s immigration policy has been largely incoherent. It’s now verging on a crisis.

In June, authorities recorded 191,898 apprehensions at the border, following more than 222,000 the previous month. Would-be migrants have been processed after crossing the southwestern border more than 1.7 million times so far this year, already exceeding last year’s record-setting tally. Distinctive catastrophes — such as the deaths of   53 migrants   in an abandoned tractor-trailer in San Antonio in June — have only punctuated these grim figures.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
Texas gov is using these people as political chattel This is nothing more than political spite, using people.

I haven't heard of any Independent mayors or governors saying this, but radical left sanctuary mayors and governors such as Lightfoot, Hochul, Adams, and Bowser have made the same comments when the brown and black people show up on their sanctuary doorsteps.

chattel

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.9.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.9    2 years ago
I haven't heard of any Independent mayors or governors saying this, but radical left mayors and governors have made the same comments.

Prove that. And btw, nice shot at me being an independent. 

And maybe my verbiage was wrong (I didn't know this was an English class), so I'll make it clearer. They are being treated like pawns.

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  • a person used by others for their own purposes.
"they had allowed themselves to be used as pawns within the Cold War"
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Jasper2529
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6.9.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.9.1    2 years ago
Prove that.

Prove what?

(I didn't know this was an English class), so I'll make it clearer.

Although that patronizing, condescending, and sarcastic comment is duly noted, it is incorrect.

They are being treated like pawns.

How are illegal aliens "being treated like pawns"? They have openly said during interviews that they voluntarily board buses and planes from TX or FL to NY, Chicago, DC, Martha's Vineyard. They have also stated that the US border is OPEN, and that Venezuelan media, in particular, reported that Biden welcomes them to illegally enter the USA and he'll take care of them by giving them jobs, housing, phones, healthcare, and education.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.9.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.9.2    2 years ago
Prove what?

I haven't heard of any Independent mayors or governors saying this, but radical left mayors and governors have made the same comments.

Which Mayors have used that term? Prove that.

(I didn't know this was an English class), so I'll make it clearer. Although that patronizing, condescending, and sarcastic comment is duly noted, it isincorrect.

The person that is patronizing is you. You knew what I meant. 

How are illegal aliens "being treated like pawns"? They have openly said during interviews that they voluntarily board buses and planes from TX or FL to NY, Chicago, DC, Martha's Vineyard.

Because those states are flying out people to other states, without those states' permission. 

They have also stated that the US border is OPEN, and that Venezuelan media

Their media can say what they like, but the border is not open.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.9.4  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.9.2    2 years ago

Immigrants granted temporary refuge status are not illegal aliens. They have human rights.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.9.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @6.9.4    2 years ago
Immigrants granted temporary refuge status are not illegal aliens

Then maybe they should follow the process instead of crossing the border at random location's instead of an authorized ports of entry.  Until they do that - they are illegal aliens.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.9.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @6.9.4    2 years ago
"Immigrants granted temporary refuge status are not illegal aliens".

They're not free to be released in the US to then disappear

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.9.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.9.3    2 years ago
Because those states are flying out people to other states, without those states' permission. 

Did Biden get permission from governors and mayors to fly charter planes full of illegal aliens to TN, NJ, and NY? Short, factual answer ... NO.

Their media can say what they like, but the border is not open.

Try this one on for size. Directly from the mouths of Venezuelan illegal aliens, not anyone else:

Perrie, by now you should know that unlike others, I don't make things up! 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.9.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.9.7    2 years ago
Did Biden get permission from governors and mayors to fly charter planes full of illegal aliens to TN, NJ, and NY? Short, factual answer ... NO.

And the Biden administration says they have only flown out children, which I gave in this link: 

Their media can say what they like, but the border is not open. Try this one on for size. Directly from the mouths of Venezuelan illegal aliens, not anyone else:

Jasper, that is their perception, and it doesn't mean it's true. The official stance can be found here from a disinterested BBC:

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.10  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 years ago
What a pile of steaming poop. Texas gov is using these people as political chattel. How do I know? Well, Gov DeSantis has now kicked in, and is spending Florida's tax dollars to send migrants to Martha's Vinyard? He isn't a border state, is he? This is nothing more than political spite, using people. Disgusting.

What's disgusting is that the problem of illegal immigration isn't viewed as a national problem.  The politics is that what's happening at the border is some sort of local problem.  The border region didn't volunteer to deal with illegal immigrants; there wasn't a choice or time to prepare.  And now that the border resources have been overwhelmed and can't cope, New York politicians lecture about humanitarian concerns and demand the border region do more. 

New York politicians use the overwhelmed border facilities and resources as a political prop for photo op politics.  And that's the extent of the concern.  New York politicians can lecture Texas about treating 'migrants' so badly.  Think of the children.  These New York politicians don't care about the 'migrants'; they care about winning elections.

Why is it any easier to house, feed, and care for 'migrants' in Texas than in New York, or Martha's Vineyard for that matter?  Why is the overwhelmed resources in Texas any less of a problem than in New York or Martha's Vineyard?

The 'not our problem' attitude isn't motivated by self-serving political spite?  Especially since so many politicians are winning elections by lecturing Texas without having to cope with the problem.  If the problem of illegal immigration can be handled in a more humanitarian manner then show us how.

Why hasn't New York been proactive in sending buses to Texas to share the burden and ease the strain on overwhelmed resources?  Why hasn't New York stepped up to do its part in dealing with the problem?  Apparently it's been too easy for these sanctuary cities to ride their high horse while ignoring the problem.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.10.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @6.10    2 years ago

While I agree that this should be a national issue, the fact that these people are being used as political fodder is disgusting. 

NY doesn't want or need any political props for this. Texas and now Florida is providing that. 

There is a bad precedent being set here. Like I said, when we allow to let one state's problems to become another, it goes both ways.

And if you think for two seconds that Martha's Vineyard is a good destination, then you really don't care about anything but this political theater.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.10.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.10.1    2 years ago
And if you think for two seconds that Martha's Vineyard is a good destination,

Exactly, those Martha folks like their 87% white enclave, with only 1.5% Brown folk and 3.7% Black folk.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.10.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.10.1    2 years ago
While I agree that this should be a national issue, the fact that these people are being used as political fodder is disgusting. 

New York is also using these people as political fodder.  That high horse has very short legs.  Mayor Adams is using these people to make New York appear to be the victim of Texas. 

Notice that Adams has wrapped himself in high minded platitudes about immigration and diversity.  New York just can't cope with the reality.

There is a bad precedent being set here. Like I said, when we allow to let one state's problems to become another, it goes both ways.

The bad precedent was set long ago with talk of amnesty and a path to citizenship.  DACA set a precedent.  Who could have guessed that using illegal immigration as political fodder would encourage more people to jump the border into Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California?  But that's their problem, after all.

And if you think for two seconds thatMartha's Vineyard is a good destination, then you really don't care about anything but this political theater.

Isn't Martha's Vineyard one of those enclaves that lectures the country from a high horse?  Walk the talk.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

Can you believe Desantis did this? What a monster!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    2 years ago
Can you believe Desantis did this? What a monster!

Let's see how this plays out in Florida. He is spending their tax dollars to do this. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2    2 years ago

He is spending their tax dollars to do this

And saving them

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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7.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    2 years ago

From what?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    2 years ago

He's not saving them. He is using them as political chattel. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago
Let's see how this plays out in Florida. He is spending their tax dollars to do this. 
Are you sure it's "Florida's Tax Dollars" that are footing the bill ?

Taryn M. Fenske, the communications director for Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, said the two flights were part of a state program to transport undocumented immigrants to so-called sanctuary destinations. This year the Florida Legislature set aside $12 million for the transportation program.

Do you think that most Florida residents would be happy to know that $12M of their dollars were being spent this way?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.6    2 years ago

Of course.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.8    2 years ago

We'll see.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago

What a rubbish comment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.10    2 years ago

Yes, it is

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.4    2 years ago
He's not saving them

You don't think taking care of illegal immigrants costs taxpayers money? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.15  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago
Taryn Fenske, DeSantis' communications director, has confirmed that Florida legislator approved the use of $12 million to "transport illegal immigrants to sanctuary destinations," in line with federal law, as reported by the Associated Press. The information provided by Fenske is confirmed by the    Freedom First budget for Fiscal Year 2022-2023 approved by DeSantis on June 2  , a $109.9 billion state budget bill that included a program to transport immigrants out of the state.

State money comes from the tax payers.

The governor then approved for the program to be funded using $12 million accrued from Florida's share of the federally funded Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund, appropriated to the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT).

So he is misdirecting federal funding? Who do you think makes up the difference? The tax payer.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago

Again another diversion.

And I have no idea what is the Democrat way of thinking since I am not one.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.13    2 years ago

My comment had nothing to do with that. I said they were being used, which they are.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.17    2 years ago

My comment had nothing to do with that

Then why did you respond to me?  I was clearly addressing the saving of tax dollars. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.19    2 years ago

I can't help it Sean if you took my comment to you and made a detour.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
7.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago
So he is misdirecting federal funding? Says whom ?

You did:

The governor then approved for the program to be funded using $12 million accrued from Florida's share of the federally funded Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund, appropriated to the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT)

That is money that was supposed to be spent on recovery and transportation. Now that he and his legislature have decided to use it for political theater, who do you think is going to make up the difference? It is the tax payer.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
7.2.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    2 years ago

Stop with the deflection. This discussion is not about State Managers. It is about where and what the funds were meant for.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.24  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.23    2 years ago

Florida is short 9,500 teachers and other school employees, we are very short of LEO's as well as health care workers. We could use the $12 million to help with recruiting to help fill these openings.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.2.25  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2.6    2 years ago

Short term pain for long term gain.

Or do you think they didn't do the math in advance. The illegals stay in Florida they are a drain on Florida's assets long term. 

If NYer's are so damn upset bitch to your damn Democrat politicians; and have them put the heat on Branden to close the border and enforce our immigration laws.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
7.2.26  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @7.2.24    2 years ago

They will need less of those if they continue to redirect the illegal immigrants being funneled by the US government into their state.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.29  Kavika   replied to    2 years ago

Reading comprehension is vital when responding to a comment. Nowhere did I say it was DeSantis's fault or even mention his name in my comment. 

I said that we are short of teachers and other school employees, LEOs, and health care workers. The $250 million increase was a good thing and there will have to be more since even with that increase we rank 11th in new teacher pay and near the bottom in average teacher's salary when measured against the rest of the US. 

In our school district, we were short 150 teachers on the first day of school this year and also school bus drivers, custodians, and food preparers. I'm sure that they wouldn't feel that the $12 million was a pittance. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.30  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @7.2.26    2 years ago

Florida has had a long standing problem with illegal immigrants. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.32  Kavika   replied to    2 years ago
WHY....would be nice to know, since the comments have all been about Desantis "Bad" !

Makes one think it's the same if you "Leave Things Out" of your "Florida Lacks" comment.

Get it now ?

 I do see that you're making a lot of assumptions which seems to be you're way of communicating, sad if that's the best you can do. 

It seems that facts are a bit too much for you to deal with, but be that as it may keep on blowing smoke which you are good at.

 
 
 
charger 383
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9  charger 383    2 years ago

If they had not been allowed to cross the border this would not be a problem

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @9    2 years ago

I agree, but they are being stopped at the border and then they find other routes in. I agree that this is a mess, but don't make it other people's mess. Fix it. Wasn't that wall supposed to stop this?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1    2 years ago
I agree that this is a mess, but don't make it other people's mess.

Other people's?? As said elsewhere, this is a national problem. Everyone has a vested interest to take care of it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.6  Tessylo  replied to    2 years ago

Wow so whitey is the victim here, again?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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9.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to    2 years ago

“…because of immigration…”

No, because they have an addiction. Plenty of naturalized citizens ready to feed the beast. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.3    2 years ago

If it is a national problem, then tell me, when is North Carolina going to take them, Jim?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.9    2 years ago

Already getting them. And this is just Charlotte. From May to late August.

Since May, the coalition said 1,400 immigrants have arrived by bus to Charlotte. A majority are from Venezuela, with others from Columbia, Nicaragua and other countries.

 
 
 
Ringworm
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9.1.12  Ringworm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.9    2 years ago

They need to take a few, the Mexican food is awful in NC.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
9.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ringworm @9.1.12    2 years ago

Not sure where you have been but we have a plethora of authentic Mexican restaurants as well as TexMex and most are quite good. The majority of which are owned, run and staffed completely by Hispanics.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.11    2 years ago

Who is sending them to you. Not Texas, right?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.15  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ringworm @9.1.12    2 years ago
They need to take a few, the Mexican food is awful in NC.

LMAO!!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
9.1.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.14    2 years ago

Did you not read the link? Don't think it really matters who. They are coming from the Texas border.

There’s currently an immigrant influx in Charlotte as local activists said hundreds of people are arriving on buses daily from the Texas border.
Organizations said they are maxed out and desperately need help as immigrants continue to arrive. It’s a problem playing out in multiple cities in the United States, and Channel 9 and Telemundo Charlotte are now learning the Queen City is one of them.
 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
9.1.17  Jasper2529  replied to    2 years ago
300 die a day of drug over dose because of immigration

A correction, if I may ...

300 Americans per day die of Fentanyl poisoning, which is caused by China's manufacturing the drug, transporting it to Mexico, and then the complicit Mexican cartels transport it all over the USA. 

These deaths are rarely caused by drug addiction. One pill will kill. Many people do not know this.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.16    2 years ago

First of all, I read everything that I am presented with, otherwise what is the point?

Yes, I read that there is an influx from Texas, and supposedly the Texas gov says he is not doing it, but sending them to us. Why should we believe him?

Also, it says that you got 1,400 people since May. Do you know how many people NY has gotten since May? We have gotten over 7,600 since May from Texas. What gives him the right to do that? How would he feel if we sent 7,600 of our homeless to him? This shouldn't be allowed and it is political theater.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.6    2 years ago

It may be Kamala Harris.

A bus stopped f front of her place this morning. You'd be amazed at what the migrants are saying about the border


 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.2  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @9    2 years ago

Ah, feral cats, right charger?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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9.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  charger 383 @9    2 years ago
If they had not been allowed to cross the border this would not be a problem

Kudos!  I think you have gotten the point of the whole exercise.

While there have been some complaints about immigration in general, the majority of complaints seem be about uncontrolled immigration.  Abbott (and now DeSantis) haven't been demanding a stop to immigration.  The problem is illegal immigration; not immigration.  It's the 'illegal' part that sanctuaries want to ignore.  

As Mayor Adams is finding out illegal immigration causes problems that are distinctly different than problems associated with immigration.  They're not the same thing and can't be handled the same way.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

I think the democrats have found a winning message with their comparison between sending  immigrants  who volunteer to Martha's Vineyard and the Holocaust. 

Perfectly rational message. 

 
 
 
Ringworm
Freshman Silent
12  Ringworm    2 years ago

Just learn Spanish, it's going to be the dominant language in a few years. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
13  Tacos!    2 years ago
New York City Mayor Eric Adams said Wednesday that the city is at a "breaking point" due to thousands of migrants who have been sent by bus from Texas in recent weeks.

"In the last few months, we have experienced an unprecedented surge of asylum seekers arriving from the southern border," Adams said Wednesday.

"In this new and unforeseen reality, where we expect thousands more to arrive every week going forward, the city's system is nearing its breaking point. As a result, the city's prior practices, which never contemplated the bussing of thousands of people into New York City, must be reassessed."

Holy Shit, what a baby. And how insensitive!

Whether you agree with what the Texas governor is doing or not, where does the NYC mayor get off complaining? The busing has been going on for . . . what? A few months? States like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California have been enduring a never-ending influx of illegal aliens for literally decades

All the while, people unaffected by our porous southern border (like NY government types) have, for all those years, self-righteously chastised the southwestern states for bitching about the problem, or trying to solve it when the federal government refused.

”Ohhhhhh! We’re at a breaking point!”

STFU!

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
14  squiggy    2 years ago

“Give me your tired, your p… -  Hey WTF?”

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
15  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

I hate to break it to Adam's but NYC was broken by Dablowhole way before a couple thousand illegals started showing up.

 
 

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