I see the math problem but why the bullshit follow up? WTH does this have to do with math?

Cuz they aren't teaching this kind of stuff being taught in schools.............../S Ninth Grade............

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And the fools  wonder why parents are fed up. 

Here is a photo of the actual "test".

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The last question of the test should have been "What percentage of this test has anything to do with math?"

Given today's "standards" of education most of them wouldn't have been able to answer it.

The last question of the test should have been "What percentage of this test has anything to do with math?"

Answer: All of them.

Every question required solving a math problem. Math has been mixing the solving of equations with other puzzles for a very, very long time.

I disagree.   Mathematical 'word' problems are used to express a real-world problem in English and challenge the student to solve the problem by representing it as a mathematical model and solving using mathematics.   This puzzle offers no such value.   The narrative text is never converted into a mathematical model.   It is entirely superfluous.   

This puzzle is a tortured hybrid of mathematics (solving systems of linear equations) and history.

Mathematical 'word' problems are used to express a real-world problem in English and challenge the student to solve the problem by representing it as a mathematical model and solving using mathematics. 

You’re incorrect. That is certainly a way they are used, but not the only one. Do you teach or have kids? I have seen math worksheets like this many times over the years. It’s just a different way of keeping the work interesting. Math by it’s nature is full of repetition and tedium. This kind of thing keeps kids engaged. It’s extremely common.

Tacos!  Not only have I raised kids, but I am personally quite well educated (and practiced) in mathematics (mathematics and logic are core to my profession).   So hopefully that satisfies your concern.    And I did not say that this practice is never done.   I wrote that it is not mathematics;  this is not a mathematical 'word problem'.   In this case, the words have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the mathematics of this 'puzzle'.

Now, the reason word problems exist is to train the mind to take unstructured reality and structure it in terms of a formal mathematical model.   When someone can do this, they now can make use of the power of mathematics to solve the problem.

If, on the other hand, one introduces spurious language to entertain or to make a statement (or whatever reason) then they are going beyond mathematics.   In this case, this puzzle introduces historical facts that have absolutely no bearing on the mathematical problems presented.   This is structured as a game where solving a system of linear equations produces a mathematical answer which is then (via a lexicon) mapped into answers for historical questions.

If you remove all of the English narrative from this puzzle you will find that the mathematics are entirely unaffected.   The student would get the exact same answers.   And one could easily superimpose a little puzzle on the Game of Thrones, Harry Potter or Santa Claus using this technique and not affect the mathematical problem in any way.

Here are three examples of actual mathematical problems expressed as 'word problems':

Geometry Word Problems

1. Kelly wants to put new carpet in her bedroom, which is ten feet long and 12 feet wide. If carpet costs $5 per square foot, how much will she spend on carpet?

This problem requires two steps. Begin by finding the area of the room using this equation: Area = length x width = 10 feet x 12 feet = 120 square feet. Then, multiply 120 by 5 to find out how much the carpet will cost. Kelly will have to spend $600.

2. Your dad places a 10-foot ladder against the wall. The bottom of the ladder is five feet from the wall. How many feet up the wall does the ladder reach?

For this problem, your child will have to use the Pythagorean theorem, which is a^2 + b^2 = c^2. Have your child begin by drawing lines to represent the ground, the wall and the ladder. This will form a right triangle. Then, label the sides of the triangle to represent the parts of the equation: the ground is a^2, the wall is b^2, and the ladder is c^2. Next, plug in the known numbers. The equation should look like this: 5^2 + b^2 = 10^2. Square the known numbers - 25 + b^2 = 100 - which should allow your child to figure out that b^2 = 75. Finally, determine the square root of 75. The answer is the ladder reaches approximately 8.66 feet up the wall.

3. What's the capacity of a swimming pool that is 60 feet long, 20 feet wide and six feet deep?

Volume is used for 3-dimensional shapes. For rectangles, the formula is volume = length x width x height. Plug-in the numbers so that the formula looks like this: V = 60 x 20 x 6 = 7,200 cubic feet.

Note the difference between these problems and the example puzzle we have discussed.   The English describes a situation in real life.   It invites the student to find a mathematical model (representation) of the real life situation and then to solve the problem using mathematics.   It does not give arbitrary mathematical problems whose mathematical answers are then mapped via a lexicon to historical facts.

Are they really stupidly serious?  Not a single question related to math other than the headers and the education community supports these bigot/racists???

Not a single question related to math

Literally every question had a math problem to solve.

Would also point out that testing isn't always about the topic, i.e., math.

I was confident I aced my first college math final.

I failed to read the instructions, Last name first, first name second, last 4 of your SSN and the date in a certain format.

I had all the math correct. He failed me for signing my name, first then last

instead of printing, no SSN and the date in the wrong format.

When I asked how he knew the test belonged to me, he chuckled and changed it to a - D.

Wow, what a dick.

I think we are getting close to the tipping point we've seen on so many reactions from liberals.

First, when confronted, they deny, deny and deny again, claiming it's crazy to think the thing conservatives are talking about happened or anyone wants it to happen.

Then after months or years of evidence showing that X is happening, they switch to "of course it's happening. It would be a crime and a deprivation of rights for it not to happen."

The evidence is stacking up. Soon it will be  "How could math not include CRT and sexualized topics! It's crazy  and racist not to talk about Maya Angelous history of  sexual abuse in math class"

"But but but this isn't really happening........./S"

Reading, learning and answering trivia questions about Maya Angelous life is NOT CRT. I read Maya Angelou in high school, is that supposed to be a problem now? We're not allowed to let children read black authors works who talk about their struggles in life and the discrimination they suffered?

I get that some weak sniveling piece of shit bigots or whiny religious conservatives may be upset at the thought that their children would learn about the harsh realities in the world in high school, but when are they supposed to? Are they supposed to wait till college before they learn what rape is or are ever told what a sex worker is? If you don't want your nearly adult children to learn about the world then go ahead and home school them and then perhaps chain them up in your conservative Christian basements where you can have complete control over them because you never taught them to think for themselves and you don't trust they won't leave your religious conservative ways.

Stevens said the questions were removed from the worksheet in 2017 

Oh, so a bunch of hysterical dip shits are freaking out over trivia questions about Maya Angelou that were removed over 5 years ago. Not surprising consider the source who likely never read any Maya Angelou or knew her life story. Sad to see such small minded bigots foam at the mouth over nothing.

You've handed them their asses, as usual DP.

If the test was removed in 2017, it isn't being taught, is it?  Considering it wasn't an issue in the first place, then or now!  LOL!

You've handed them their asses, as usual DP.

Still hitting that Kool Aid I see.

If the test was removed in 2017, it isn't being taught, is it?

I guess you missed where the article states this was from this past FEBRUARY.

Considering it wasn't an issue in the first place, then or now! 

If it wasn't an issue then, then explain why was is removed?  But then again the seeded article proves you wrong (again).

I trust DP, not you all!  Who has debunked this.  Move on!

And where did I indicate I gave a shit who you trust.  DP didn't prove anybody wrong.  They, like you, merely didn't read the article.  But here you are trolling as usual.

Where did I indicate that I gave a fuck what you thought?

Tell me it isn't so!

It's sad that it happens so much.

Apparently you do or you wouldn't troll me so much.  

Where did I indicate that I gave a fuck what you thought?

Is not giving a fuck today better or worse than you're not giving a shit yesterday?

Reading, learning and answering trivia questions about Maya Angelous life is NOT CRT. I read Maya Angelou in high school, is that supposed to be a problem now? We're not allowed to let children read black authors works who talk about their struggles in life and the discrimination they suffered?

You read about her for math class? Tell us all what great achievements did she make in the math field that trivia questions about her belong on any math test? 

I get that some weak sniveling piece of shit bigots or whiny religious conservatives may be upset at the thought that their children would learn about the harsh realities in the world in high school, but when are they supposed to? Are they supposed to wait till college before they learn what rape is or are ever told what a sex worker is? If you don't want your nearly adult children to learn about the world then go ahead and home school them and then perhaps chain them up in your conservative Christian basements where you can have complete control over them because you never taught them to think for themselves and you don't trust they won't leave your religious conservative ways.

We get that some dumb ass leftists don't bother reading the article to realize that these questions were on a math test. Not an English test, creative writing test, nor an African American studies test. So tell us all what she has to do with math again?

Oh, so a bunch of hysterical dip shits are freaking out over trivia questions about Maya Angelou that were removed over 5 years ago. Not surprising consider the source who likely never read any Maya Angelou or knew her life story. Sad to see such small minded bigots foam at the mouth over nothing.

Still haven't answered the damn question of what she has to do with math! Just the typical BS leftist rant playing the race card.

Still haven't answered the damn question of what she has to do with math!

As the seed points out, it was a trivia question, it was not part of the math curriculum and was likely the reason they removed it way back in 2017 and hopefully was just moved to 'creative writing'/'poetry' or American history textbooks.

If religious conservatives are so desperate to not learn anything about strong black women or learn about actual American history perhaps they should just smack themselves in the head with a rubber mallet a few hundred times a day. Then at least their cognitive deficiencies and fear of learning would have a rational explanation.

Why  was it in a math test, to begin with

As the seed points out, it was a trivia question,

Was it a part of the math test, yes or no? If they got it wrong did it count against their score?

it was not part of the math curriculum and was likely the reason they removed it way back in 2017 and hopefully was just moved to 'creative writing'/'poetry' or American history textbooks.

Well at least you have finally admitted it had no damn place in a math test. All it took was being beaten over the head with it repeatedly. It has nothing to do with racism, bigotry, or any other leftist dog whistle.

If religious conservatives are so desperate to not learn anything about strong black women or learn about actual American history perhaps they should just smack themselves in the head with a rubber mallet a few hundred times a day. Then at least their cognitive deficiencies and fear of learning would have a rational explanation.

And right back to playing the racist card, and dog whistling! Maybe if leftists would concentrate on the fundamentals instead of injecting race into every damn thing, the vast majority of future generations wouldn't be so damn stupid as compared to the rest of the modern world.  

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The Program for International Student Assessment tests 15-year-old students around the world and is administered by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). In 2018, when the test was last administered, the U.S. placed 11th out of 79 countries in science. It did much worse in math, ranking 30th. 2  

The U.S. scored 478 in math, below the OECD average of 489. That's well below the scores of the top five, all of which were in Asia: Singapore at 569, Macao at 555, Hong Kong at 551, Taiwan at 531, and Japan at 527. China was not included in this ranking, since only four provinces participated. 3

In science, the United States scored at 502, above the OECD average of 489. The top five highest-scorers were Singapore at 551, Macao at 544, Estonia at 530, Japan at 529, and Finland at 522.

When analyzing the U.S.'s results over the years, it's clear that the scores have been stable over time. While not declining, there aren't any signs of improvement, either. In fact, there's been no detectable change in U.S. students' math scores since 2003 or science scores since 2006. 4

Economic Impact of Education

These low scores mean that U.S. students may not be as prepared to take high-paying computer and engineering jobs, which often go to foreign workers. While Silicon Valley is America's high-tech innovation center, one reason for its success is the cultural diversity of its foreign-born software engineers.

Many companies simply outsource their tech jobs overseas. The result, however, is the same: There are fewer high-paying jobs going to American citizens, because they may not be qualified.

An economist from the Hoover Institution of Stanford University, Eric A. Hanushek, estimated that the U.S. economy would grow 4.5% in the next 20 years if our students’ math and science skills were as strong as the rest of the world's. 5 However, this statement would likely come as a shock to many Americans who believe that our students' skills are already among the best in the world.

Perception vs. Reality

Despite the low scores dating back decades, some Americans see no problem with the state of U.S. education. In 2008, nearly half of those who participated in an Associated Press poll said that American students’ achievement test scores were the same as or better than those of children in other industrialized nations. However, 90% of them recognized that education helps economic growth.

The truth is that the U.S. ranks near the bottom in a survey of students’ math skills in 30 industrialized countries. Instead of knowing and confronting the facts, many Americans are in denial. In fact, the same survey showed that while one-third believed their schools were excellent, only one-sixth believed the same of any other schools. The states that are poorest have lower education scores . This cycle creates structural inequality .

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The results don't come even close to the money invested. We are all owed a massive refund.

I guess you missed the part about this being a damned MATH test. That has NOTHING to do with math and there are other classes, like perhaps English Literature or History that would be the place for it. Has NOTHING to do with bigots, racists, or conservative. Nice twist but no dice. I see one of your biggest fans missed the damned point too.

SMMFH

I guess you missed the part about this being a damned MATH test.

Oh, can you please point out where in the seed above it says this was on a math test?

"The school district said the assignment was taken from an online platform for educators and has since been removed from the course."

So clearly not in the textbooks, not being used in math classes today, but still has the the rabid witless dipshit conservatives foaming at the mouth. It would be funny if it wasn't such a sad testament as to where their worthless priorities lie.

Your logic is faulty.

I already conceded that it wasn't a math test. see 6.1.5

Your logic is faulty.

Oh? How so? Or are you just making a baseless claim because you can't actually find any flaw in the facts I presented?

And your point? I read all that in the seed above. Does that disprove anything I've said? Clearly not.

That It wasn't about Math ?

Where did I say it was about math? I simply pointed out the facts presented in the seed. It was a trivia question included on a worksheet with algebra problems that some teacher pulled off an educator website and was removed over 5 years ago. Those are the facts.

Do I think whatever online educator company or person should have added some American history trivia question on a math worksheet? No. Was this widely used in public schools? As far as we know it was only found in one school district in Missouri. Would there be any harm to a student in a math class to read some American History trivia? No.

So what is the point of all this impotent rage I see coming from conservatives? Clearly they are overjoyed at finding a tiny thread of what they believe confirms their bias against public schools and what they see as the indoctrination of liberal values aka learning the unvarnished truth about American history and the continued legacy of systemic racism and prejudice that continues to this day. If it had been some trivia question about Mark Twain completely unrelated to math but on a math worksheet there's no way any conservatives would be bringing this up 5 years after it was removed. So clearly it's not just about having an American history trivia question posed in a math class.

So just admit it to yourselves already, this gets conservative mouths watering because they are desperate for anything to support their confirmation bias. And this is about as weak a thread as anyone can find, but here they are dancing around the fire of their bizarre obsession with supposed CRT. It's almost embarrassing to watch.

It's a record!  You've handed them their asses twice in one 'article'!  Kudos!

It's a record!  

Now you have a life goal to pursue.

"Do I think whatever online educator company or person should have added some American history trivia question on a math worksheet? No. Was this widely used in public schools? As far as we know it was only found in one school district in Missouri. Would there be any harm to a student in a math class to read some American History trivia? No."

Gee, when asked for proof by the poster that this was a thing, that it was being taught, this was provided to lead us to believe (from some random blog by the way) that this is indeed being done, and I'm paraphrasing, 'everywhere'.

"That said, the National Education Association (NEA) appears to have accepted the conservative framing of CRT: namely, that it's not merely confined to academia but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools. And the NEA thinks this is a good thing that should be defended."

The accent is mine on 'appears to have accepted'

How do they leap to it's being taught in K-12 schools??????????????????????????????????????????????

How do they leap to it's being taught in K-12 schools

Already been covered......ad nauseum.

And there is this that you continue to avoid like the plague........

"  but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools."

Again, you do know what the NEA stands for right?

t some weak sniveling piece of shit bigots or whiny religious conservativesd

Take a deep breath. That much hate isn't healthy.  

We get a lot of hate from the gqp and alleged conservatives on a daily basis.  It isn't healthy.  

I've seen people say in this thread that the quiz in question was not a math quiz. 

I am fairly sure they are wrong. 

Once again here is an image of the quiz.

At the very top of the page it reads "Solving Systems With Substitution" 

Doesnt mean much to me, but I suspect that means something to the students. 

Is solving systems with substitution actually a thing?  Yes it is !

If the students solved the math equation they would also have the correct answer to the Maya Angelou "trivia".  

This booshwa is more much ado about nothing. 

There is no "CRT" in this quiz, that assertion is ludicrous, unless any mention of a black person constitutes CRT. In some of your minds it probably does. 

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Works great for those that hate math; but are smart enough to know trivia. 

Of course that defeats the purpose of the assignment, to learn math, doesn't it?

You like every other leftist has failed to answer what the hell does she have to do with math? What is she famous for in the math field? Why is it relevant to put her on a math assignment?

I would bet money that more students in that class knew how to solve the equations than knew the 'trivia" answers about Maya Angelou. 

AND BINGO!!!

So what was the point of incorporating her into it? All they would have had to do, since it was an assignment and not a closed test, was look up the info and POOF. There is your answer. Without using math skills. The answer was handed them. No math skill needed

I think you could look up the math answers too if thats the route you wanted to go. 

Maybe, depends on the prep session before.

What a racist and sexist quiz. WTF does her sexual abuse and work history have to do with math? Unless you're trying to create the idea that she is less than or immoral.

Racist stereotypes anyone.

Hmmm. Pedagogically, I find it interesting. They are combining History and Math in one lesson.

I think there is a lot of room to spice up math. Just going through the motions of equations and theory is pretty boring. I think it’s a good thing if you can find creative ways to keep students interested.

. They are combining History and Math in one lesson.

So you think the school was wrong to apologize and the sexual  history of historical figures is something that should be taught in math class?

the sexual  history of historical figures is something that should be taught in math class?

First of all, it’s the 9th grade, right? High School. I think they can handle it.

Second, a lot of kids are sexually abused and it can be empowering not only to know that it happens to someone else, but that you can have a rich and successful life afterward.

Why does it matter if they are exposed to this in Math or some other class? It’s still a valuable thing to be exposed to.

Well that seems to be quite enough. We now know who the experts in education are and hopefully some research was done by those who don't want to listen to the NEA. Thanks for playing.