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Do Democrats have a Plan B — B not for Biden?

  
Via:  GregTx  •  5 months ago  •  150 comments


Do Democrats have a Plan B — B not for Biden?
President Joe Biden's mental state is not going to improve. Democrats should prepare to remove him from the ballot.

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Special Counsel Robert Hurr's report concluded that President Joe Biden should not be prosecuted for mishandling classified documents because he is an "elderly man with a poor memory." A confident and competent Biden could have laughed off an outlying report, not even bothering to acknowledge its existence.

But the problem for Biden and his hopes of reelection is that Hurr's conclusions are not anomalous. The president has a well-established record of embarrassing and disturbing mental lapses.

There was a time when he couldn't remember the name of his own secretary of defense, just weeks after moving into the office.

And a time he made up getting arrested at a civil rights protest, a mistake White House aides were forced to correct afterward.

And a time he made up going to the Tree of Life synagogue after a shooting, which, again, White House aides were forced to correct.

And a time Biden repeatedly called for Indiana Rep. Jackie Walorski to join him at the podium for a nutrition event — eight weeks after she had died in a car crash.

Then there are all his physical mishaps. On one occasion, he fell not once, not twice, but three times, trying to walk up the boarding stairs into Air Force One. And the time he fell off his bike in front of reporters in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. There have also been countless times he has seemed lost walking the wrong way offstage after speeches.

It is because of these incidents, and not because of a dastardly Republican plot, that a recent NBC News poll found a whopping 76% of voters have either major (62%) or moderate (14%) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president.

Biden then reaffirmed this perception by rushing out to do a press conference at 8 p.m. on Thursday night to deny the suggestion. During this attempted repair job, he not only called Egypt's President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi "the president of Mexico" but also clearly forgot the name of the church where his son Beau got his rosary.

According to reports, Biden was livid that Hur's report specifically mentioned that he forgot when exactly Beau died. But as painful as this may be for Biden, it fits the pattern of his obvious mental decline. The president has falsely stated on many occasions, including this week, that Beau died in Iraq. This is false. Beau served in Iraq and died later back in America. Biden is either lying every time he repeats his falsehood or has just forgotten.

The White House is reportedly trying to undo the damage from the report and Thursday's press conference with a series of interviews to highlight Biden's mental sharpness. Good luck with that risky plan. It is clear Biden's best mental days are long behind him, and they were never exceedingly good. He is not a 54-year-old John Fetterman whose brain has sharpened as he has recovered from his stroke. Biden is an 81-year-old man whose mental abilities are only going to get worse.

Voters deserve a real choice this November. Democrats must realize what a disaster it would be if they put this tottering champion on the ballot. National party conventions have become coronations in recent years, but the party can still replace Biden on the ballot, and there is increasing talk that that is the plan — or must be, given the circumstances.

Surely, it is asked incredulously, they cannot plan to keep him? That speculation is only heightened by a plan for a taxing series of interviews, each of which might drive further nails into the lid of his political coffin. It does not have to be Vice President Kamala Harris who replaces him — she is even more unpopular than he is. There is constant talk of California Gov. Gavin Newson, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and even Michelle Obama.

This would probably take a brave decision by Biden to remove himself from contention rather than his ouster, but given this week's debacle, Democrats should plan for the contingency. Biden is bound to slip up again and again between now and August. Will he slip and stagger on, or will he slip and fall?


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GregTx
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1  seeder  GregTx    5 months ago
The White House is reportedly trying to undo the damage from the report and Thursday's press conference with a series of interviews to highlight Biden's mental sharpness. Good luck with that risky plan. It is clear Biden's best mental days are long behind him, and they were never exceedingly good.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @1    5 months ago

What's your plan b with that toxic turd former 'president' that you're voting for?

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 months ago

To be happy that the addled "toxic turd" current 'president' is no longer mashing the accelerator to the floor while veering to the left and driving the country towards a cliff.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @1.1.1    5 months ago

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GregTx
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1.1.3  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    5 months ago

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    5 months ago

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Considering the stupidity contained in your posts, [Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @1.1.3    5 months ago

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Thrawn 31
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1.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @1.1.1    5 months ago

Such a drama queen.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.7  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.1.6    5 months ago

Nah, not at all. Just responding to another member at the level they seem the most comfortable with.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2  Ronin2    5 months ago

They don't need one.

Either the Democrats will take down Trump using tacit legal means before the general election leaving Republicans with no candidate on the ballot in all of the states; or we get a repeat of 2020 where the Democrat ground machine will use mail in ballots; ballot harvesting; and an election system they have gamed to try and win.

Option 1 is currently fizzing out as the trials might not even start or end before the 2024 general.

Option 2 might not work this time around; as Brandon has a record (a horrible one) to defend himself against. But us all they have.

But these are Democrats- they don't play by anyone's rules or laws; even their own.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @2    5 months ago

MAGAs are the folks that talk about merit over and beyond other considerations. . . .Biden is a producer. . .you may not like the products on his line. . . but you will have no choice but to respect his achievements.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @2.1    5 months ago
Biden is a producer. . .you may not like the products on his line. .

I guess you could consider shitting his pants 4 times a day producing.

but you will have no choice but to respect his achievements.

I will let you know after he has an achievement

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.2  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.1    5 months ago

Hyperbolic belligerent comments have no intrinsic value. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @2.1.2    5 months ago

Considering the comment responded to it is perfect.

Neither does attempting to link everything to MAGA but here we are.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.2    5 months ago
Hyperbolic belligerent comments have no intrinsic value. 

How ironic that YOU would say that.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.5  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    5 months ago

Either you believe in merit or you use it as a talking point to get a leg up in discussions. Mean it or drop it. Biden is a meritorious old president. Age is just a number, they say. Just ask any old person you know.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.6  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.4    5 months ago

How ironic that you (of all people) would try to call me on it. For anybody here to make gross remarks about anybody else shitting in his or her pants any number of times (1 through 4 times) and you let it go shows the situation for what it is: Hyperbolic belligerence.  It makes one wonder how the commenter would know what is in another person's drawers.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @2.1.5    5 months ago
Biden is a meritorious old president.

That is untrue

Age is just a number, they say.  

Yes it is and Joe is acting like (and has the mind) of someone around 98

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.8  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.7    5 months ago

More hyperbolic belligerent nonsense. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @2.1.8    5 months ago
More hyperbolic belligerent nonsense. 

It is good that your phrase of the day is getting some use but there is nothing hyperbolic, belligerent or nonsense about my comment you are responding to.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.6    5 months ago

Nah, but once again.    It’s ironic that you would think that is ironic.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.11  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.10    5 months ago

Ditto.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  CB @2.1.11    5 months ago

lol …. I know you are but what am I?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.13  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.12    5 months ago

You are you. . .and ditto.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  CB @2.1    5 months ago

So I should respect record setting illegal immigration?

Record high credit card debt.

High interest rates.

Two new unfunded proxy wars; US troops still in Iraq, Syria, and now Jordan- along with 3/4 of our Navy bobbing in ME waters being used for target practice for the Houthi and Hezbollah.

A leader that is guilty of the very things Democrats are trying Trump for?

A leader that is so cognitively in decline Hur refused to press charges against him. Truthfully he probably didn't want to be Durham'd by a leftist judge and TDS driven jury in DC or whichever state Brandon has a house they found classified documents at.

Sorry, no damn sale. Shit is still shit no matter who is shoveling it.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.15  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.14    5 months ago

Okay, then don't respect "the shit" -see if a court cares. The national problems you highlight for your personal/professional purposes are the "Way of the world." As experience will and certainly has informed you. . . the world is dynamic, the world is on a spectrum, and the world is full of contrasting themes and activities. . . so you will not find perfection in this world. Just like Trump discovered problems with a pandemic, other presidents 'come' to find problems with other 'factors' in this dynamic world. 

That said, keep believing it will be a better nation-a better world if people who think like you are content, and people like me are not. I can't stop you and I won't care to spend too much of my time trying to do so.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  CB @2.1.15    5 months ago

I don't expect Democrats or leftists to give a shit about the law, justice, or the Constitution.

I don't give a shit what a leftist judge and TDS driven leftist jury say.

Either the law applies equally to everyone or no one. Thanks to Democrats it now applies to no one. Have fun living with the fallout.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.17  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.16    5 months ago

That comment comes across as unreachable and soooooooooooo out of touch with reality. If democrats and leftists did not give a shit about law, justice, or the Constitution -war would have begun in the states already—it has not! That should temper your words and spirit, but it is clear it does not. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    5 months ago

B is for basement.  And that's the plan B.  Democrats are trying to redo the 2020 election.  The only thing Democrats need now is another pandemic.  With Biden in the White House, don't be surprised if there ain't some sort of national emergency.

Is it to early to ask what happens if no one gets 270 electoral votes?

 
 
 
CB
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4  CB    5 months ago

MAGAs fix your own doddering old "champion" and accept that you will not pick the democratic candidate for democrats and others. For crying out loud: At the least, control Trump's lying—it's embarrassing to MAGA or should be.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1  arkpdx  replied to  CB @4    5 months ago
you will not pick the democratic candidate for democrats and other

Yet you think it is ok for democrats to pick the GOP's candidate. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.1  CB  replied to  arkpdx @4.1    5 months ago

The funny thing is both candidates vying for the office of president are elderly. . . but only one of them is a pathological liar, Trump. . . and 'everybody,' including kids,  knows liars are not genuine.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @4.1.1    5 months ago

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2588844/seventeen-times-biden-lied-plagiarized-and-exaggerated/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Pmax_USA_All-Website_Keywords(tCPA)&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA2pyuBhBKEiwApLaIO96UPtTjkwtEWL-vRg0xk9mm5XSgbOBsQbhMYwqCmoyaXjsaRcf1DxoC8osQAvD_BwE

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.3  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.2    5 months ago

Whatever that bull is, I won't be seeing it because the link looks weird. I suggest you post the relevant part for all to see or just move on.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @4.1.3    5 months ago
Whatever that bull is, I won't be seeing it because the link looks weird. I suggest you post the relevant part for all to see or just move on.

Link works fine but I understand you not wanting to open it since Seventeen times Biden lied, plagiarized, and exaggerated is in the title.

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.5  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.4    5 months ago

Whatever. Don't post it, then. See if I care. As for Biden plagiarizing, you can't prove it to me if you don't post it. Moreover, I don't get "brownie points" for defending Biden and his custody of documents. . . Trump's issues are all over the news—in plain sight of everyone including you. But, you casually ignore any of Trump's issues. I suggest that if you ignore one man's problems that on balance you ignore the other man's problems.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.4    5 months ago

yep , link works fine , i went to it and read through , i remember most if not all of the items .

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @4.1.5    5 months ago
Whatever. Don't post it, then. See if I care. As for Biden plagiarizing, you can't prove it to me if you don't post it.

Not my problem if you don't want to open a link because it "looks weird".  It is still there and still true, even if you don't look at it.

 Trump's issues are all over the news—in plain sight of everyone including you. But, you casually ignore any of Trump's issues.

Thanks for telling me, here I thought Trump was an idiot for not turning the documents over as soon as they were found.

I suggest that if you ignore one man's problems that on balance you ignore the other man's problems.

Should I assume you will start ignoring Trumps problems soon because you sure seem to ignore Joes problems.

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.8  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.7    5 months ago

I don't ignore Biden's issue or problems. I just don't magnify them or blow them out of proportion. In fact, I would not magnify or highlight the many issues of Trump except he is a smart ass who deserves to be taken down for being a bully and a Jerk. 

I will not click on your link. Post it outright or move on and let it go. This is meh.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @4.1.8    5 months ago
I will not click on your link. Post it outright or move on and let it go.

Fine with me, I don't seem to be the one having the problem to let it go.  I will just leave it there for anyone that might actually want to read it.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  CB @4.1.1    5 months ago

You think Brandon isn't a pathological liar?

Take care of the human lie machine you put in the White House.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @4.1.3    5 months ago
I suggest you post the relevant part for all to see or just move on

That's what he did.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.12  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.11    5 months ago
I suggest you post the relevant part for all to see

Sigh! I do this all 'day and night' long around here. . . taking my time to make "presentation" of my links and their relevant information for the readers' ease and comfort—if you will. I am sure you have seen me do this (99.9 percent of the time).  So excuse me if I ask for similar consideration once and a while. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @4.1.12    5 months ago
I do this all 'day and night' long around here. . . taking my time to make "presentation" of my links and their relevant information for the readers' ease and comfort—if you will

I don't care what you do or how long it takes you.  The link was provided.  Just because it's not how YOU want it doesn't make it anybody's problem but YOURS. 

And if you are going to quote me, make sure it's something I said.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.14  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.13    5 months ago

When I start taking 'prescriptions' from MAGAs it will be a cold day in Hell. Bet that. Finally, I will not engage the link. . . so you can read it for me and post its content from your 'conscious mind' or just drop the damn subject because I was not directly addressing you anyway. As for quoting you. . .l didn't need to and so I quoted myself!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.13    5 months ago
Just because it's not how YOU want it doesn't make it anybody's problem but YOURS. 

Exactly.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.15    5 months ago

Have you noticed it doesn't stop them from throwing their hissy fits?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @4.1.14    5 months ago
I will not engage the link.

So quit crying about it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4    5 months ago

It appears that no matter the topic, you attempt to deflect to Trump and MAGA.

Biden is unfit for office.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5  Sparty On    5 months ago

Plan B starts with an O …. And the sad thing is she would probably win

 
 
 
CB
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5.1  CB  replied to  Sparty On @5    5 months ago

Ah the subtleties of writing without 'saying' . . . .

 
 
 
George
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6  George    5 months ago

We have 2 choices for president from the 2 major parties, both mishandled and took classified documents, the main difference between them is one is standing trial because he is competent enough to aid in his defense, the other isn’t. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  George @6    5 months ago

That is not what the report says, but no one expects you to stop lying about it. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    5 months ago

Exactly, the report was focused on competency to stand trial, but rather likelihood of getting a conviction:

"We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Eiden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.

Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him-by then a former president well into his eighties-of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness

 
 
 
George
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6.1.2  George  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.1    5 months ago

One could expand that statement to the fact that when he was VP he lacked the capacity to understand what he was doing was wrong.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.1    5 months ago

Unlike probably most of you, I read the Executive Summary of the Hur report. He gives many other reasons for not indicting Biden other than his memory or the possible effect on juries. 

But keep the bs up, you can't help yourself. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    5 months ago

I haven’t written BS and I included quotes from the report which is more than you have.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.5  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    5 months ago
He gives many other reasons for not indicting Biden other than his memory or the possible effect on juries.

Many? And what were they in your opinion? I only saw one other reason given.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.4    5 months ago
However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr. Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.

There is a lot more. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    5 months ago

Probably best not to try to list them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.7    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
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6.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    5 months ago
Several defenses are likely to create reasonable doubt as to such charges. For example, Mr. Eiden could have found the classified Afghanistan documents at his Virginia home in 2017 and then forgotten about them soon after. This could convince some reasonable jurors that he did not retain them willfully. \Vhen Mr. Eiden told his ghostwriter about finding ''all the classified stuff downstairs," his tone was matter-of-fact. For a person who had viewed classified documents nearly every day.  For eight years as vice president, including regularly in his home, finding classified documents at home less than a month after leaving office could have been an unremarkable and forgettable event.
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    5 months ago

I did, that’s where I pulled the quotes from.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.12  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.10    5 months ago
finding classified documents at home less than a month after leaving office could have been an unremarkable and forgettable event.
elderly man with a poor memory.

Mmmmmm?..... are there alot more?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    5 months ago
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GregTx
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6.1.14  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.7    5 months ago

I disagree...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @6.1.12    5 months ago
 In particular, no witness, photo, e­ mail, text message, or any other evidence conclusively places the Afghanistan documents at the Virginia home in 2017. In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute. When Mr. Eiden told his ghostwriter he "just found all the classified stuff downstairs," he could have been referring to something other than the Afghanistan documents, and our report discusses these possibilities in detail.

People who claim that the only reason Biden wasnt indicted is because of his memory are either ignorant or lying. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.16  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.15    5 months ago
he "just found all the classified stuff downstairs,"

Then by all means expound on the many reasons that the special counsel believes Joe Biden shouldn't be charged. Let's clear up that ignorance...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @6.1.16    5 months ago
In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute.

Take your whining up with Hur. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.15    5 months ago
People who claim that the only reason Biden wasnt indicted is because of his memory are either ignorant or lying. 

Who are those people? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.19  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.17    5 months ago

I'm not whining. I see, so that  one sentence out of the report is why you think that there are many more reasons not to charge?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @6.1.19    5 months ago

Its not one fucking sentence. Dont be a clown. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.21  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.20    5 months ago

Your reply was one fucking sentence from the report that related to some of the documents. You claimed that there were many reasons that charges weren't recommended, I see three. All I asked was your opinion. Don't be a clown.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @6.1.21    5 months ago

There are other "sentences" but I am not going to waste my time. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.23  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.22    5 months ago

Yes, I agree. You shouldn't waste anymore of your or anyone else's time.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    5 months ago
And what were they in your opinion? I only saw one other reason given.

Link your quote.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.17    5 months ago

Link your quote.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.2  CB  replied to  George @6    5 months ago

As it is with all things Trump, I hold an opinion that Hur and Trump collaborated on putting certain age-deficit clauses in the report. Also, Donald Trump can't testify in his own behalf. . . without running afoul of judges and the legal process:

A judge in New York took  Donald Trump  to task on Monday, telling the former president's attorneys to "control him" as he began lashing out during his fraud trial.
"I beseech you to control him if you can," Judge Arthur Engoron said to Trump's legal team. "If you can't, I will. I will excuse him and draw every negative inference that I can."
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @6.2    5 months ago

The rest of this thread was removed for no value.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  JohnRussell    5 months ago
Donald Trump's mental state is not going to improve. Republicans should remove him from the ballot.

MAGA reply-

800

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7    5 months ago
Besides Hillary and Michelle, who would be most likely to run against Trump, since it is almost a certainty now that Biden has to go.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.1  George  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    5 months ago

Hillary is at least qualified, other than opening her legs for a former president exactly what are Michelle’s qualifications? You hear Oprah’s name banded about, at least she has run a multinational corporation and has hired and supervised employees. She has real world executive experience.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    5 months ago

How do explain this?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    5 months ago

Again with the deflections, exactly what does trump have to do with the fact that Biden is unfit to serve?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  George @7.1.1    5 months ago

Oprah foreign policy: okay terrorists …. You get an air strike and you get an air strike and you get an air strike …..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.1.3    5 months ago

Trump is unfit to serve, and one of these two will be the president in 2025. Biden is by far the preference. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.5    5 months ago
Biden is by far the preference. 

For some and obviously not for others.  Have to wonder how last week impacts any undecided voters to move away from Joe.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.7  George  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.4    5 months ago

If she follows her friend Obama’s policy, even Americans will be targeted without due process.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  George @7.1.7    5 months ago

Yeah, that’s the other O.    

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.9  CB  replied to  George @7.1.1    5 months ago

Show us in the constitution that we all have and not just your personal 'edition' where a qualification for the office of president states: One shall not have been a spouse of a president. After all, she 'served' in the White House and had access to the West Wing as often as she liked. Moreover, she had security clearances for those nighttime "chit-chats" with the "big man" more than any one you or I know.

Besides that, I am holding myself back from stating what I really wish to tell you about your crass and degrading remark about Michelle Obama. It should be condemned and stricken from here!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.10  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.6    5 months ago

Months to go. . . try keeping it alive that long I will watch MAGA "sweat it out." 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.10    5 months ago
try keeping it alive that long

Joe keeps it alive every time he opens his mouth

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.12  seeder  GregTx  replied to  CB @7.1.10    5 months ago

I don't think MAGA are the ones sweating it out right now...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.11    5 months ago

We will know for sure if we see Biden hosting frequent town halls and news conferences, interacting with the public and media.  Or does he only appear in very scripted, controlled events.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.13    5 months ago
Or does he only appear in very scripted, controlled events.

Like the Superbowl.  OOOOPS

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.14    5 months ago

Come on, man, what are you thinking? I know what the hell I’m doing here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.16  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.11    5 months ago

Well, it's Joe's mouth. . . and therefore, Trump (and you) should win in the fall without a doubt. Let's see how that works in the fall!

 
 
 
George
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7.1.17  George  replied to  CB @7.1.9    5 months ago
. Moreover, she had security clearances for those nighttime "chit-chats" with the "big man

Actually no, the First Lady doesn’t hold a security clearance and isn’t a government employee.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.18  CB  replied to  GregTx @7.1.12    5 months ago

Months to go. . . don't working about sweat now. BTW, I don't sweat the dumb shit, I smell the daffodils. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.9    5 months ago
Moreover, she had security clearances for those nighttime "chit-chats" with the "big man" more than any one you or I know.

How did she get security clearances for top secret night time chit chats.  Or are you saying Obama was guilty of treason with his wife?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.20  CB  replied to  George @7.1.17    5 months ago

Okay, then the first lady is just a 'sounding board' for her husband, the "big man" without a clearance. All of the first ladies' have access to their husband's minds. If you are married I am sure you have no choice but to agree.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.16    5 months ago
Trump (and you) should win in the fall

Again thanks for telling me.  All this time I thought I was saying I don't want Trump or Biden in the White House.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.22  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.19    5 months ago

As it turns out a first lady does not need a clearance to be a sounding board for her spouse. So your opportunity to "pounce" has you stuck in a "crouch."

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.23  George  replied to  CB @7.1.20    5 months ago

No I don’t agree, in my many years of holding a security clearance I never shared classified information with my wife.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.24  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.21    5 months ago

You say a great deal and all things being equal will say even more. . . but it may have no weight against what you WRITE everyday supporting MAGAs. Just one man's opinion.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.25  CB  replied to  George @7.1.23    5 months ago

Dude, we can't verify you or your "clearances" across a single year at-know many years. And so don't bother using yourself. . . as an example in this case. That said, 'every adult' knows, or should at least have heard about, "pillow talk." Do not pretend otherwise.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.22    5 months ago
As it turns out a first lady does not need a clearance to be a sounding board for her spouse.

Where is that written?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.24    5 months ago
Just one man's opinion.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion.  Just remember opinions and facts are often two very different things.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.28  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.26    5 months ago

Ask George, he should know since he brought it up: There should be a handy link at his fingertips.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.29  George  replied to  CB @7.1.25    5 months ago

You are commenting on something you obviously know nothing about, so I will allow you to remain ignorant of the actual facts and have the last word, don’t forget to include a MAGA reference.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.28    5 months ago
Ask George

Why, he is not the one that made the claim "As it turns out a first lady does not need a clearance to be a sounding board for her spouse."   That would be you, or did I miss George saying it?

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.31  George  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.26    5 months ago

It’s not, but it doesn’t stop anyone from making up shit they obviously know nothing about.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.32  CB  replied to  George @7.1.29    5 months ago

Apparently, you presume too much. But, it really does not matter. Pretend you have not engaged in 'pillow talk' (with your wife) and do not understand and accept the concept. Everybody will know it is. . . untrue. . . but we can't stop you from writing such nonsense. Let's move on and away from this nonsense you're offering.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.33  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.30    5 months ago
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7.1.17     George     replied to    CB   @ 7.1.9       39 minutes ago
. Moreover, she had security clearances for those nighttime "chit-chats" with the "big man

Actually no, the First Lady doesn’t hold a security clearance and isn’t a government employee.

    
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.34  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.32    5 months ago
Pretend you have not engaged in 'pillow talk'

Pillow talk goes out the window when classified comes in the door.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.35  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.34    5 months ago

Wasn’t it pillow talk that convinced Hillary that Saddam had WMD?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.36  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.33    5 months ago
Actually no, the First Lady doesn’t hold a security clearance and isn’t a government employee

Where does that say it is OK to engage in classified information pillow talk.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.37  CB  replied to  George @7.1.31    5 months ago

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The secrets first ladies always keep

By   Tim Naftali
Updated 12:24 PM EST, Fri December 16, 2016
CNN  — 

In the summer of 1963, Jacqueline Kennedy wrote to tell National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy that she didn’t need to receive the intelligence community’s highly classified “Weekly Intelligence Summary” any longer.

“It just depresses me to look at that White & Green cover,” she explained as to why she hadn’t been keeping up with it, “and think of all you have to cope with.”

She had started receiving classified reports after October 1962 when both the Cuban missile crisis and, because of her interest in India, the Sino-Indian war had caught her attention.

A fan of Harvard professor John Kenneth Galbraith, Kennedy was less interested in reading these reports as Galbraith was leaving his post in the summer of 1963 as US ambassador in New Delhi. Nevertheless, she would continue to request classified material on various subjects – British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, for example – until Dallas.

With all the attention on former first lady Hillary Clinton’s handling of classified information at the State Department and the possibility that Melania Trump might become first lady in 2017, it might be a surprise to some readers that historically, FLOTUS has had access to classified materials without ever having to get a security clearance.

The first lady has access to secrets at the discretion of POTUS, the president of the United States. And the president has enormous authority over the use and distribution of the nation’s secrets.

Under our system of government, the president has a “need to know” (the rationale for sharing classified information) anything produced by the US government simply because he is the elected head of state and commander in chief. Should he win on Tuesday, Donald J. Trump will not need to undergo any kind of security background check to see anything he wants – including the secrets of previous administrations – after taking the oath of office on Inauguration Day,.

The White House, though our most famous office building and residence for the first family, is also, in a sense, a classified vault. Presidents can, and have, taken classified materials to bed to read. They can leave them on the sofa and on the kitchen table without worrying that they are violating US security.

The first lady resides in this bubble. And though Jackie Kennedy may be an outlier in her access to and interest in foreign policy documents, any first lady may see them with the president’s permission .

Since this apparently won't end until a cap is put on it. . .let's put a cap on it now. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.38  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.36    5 months ago

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it is OK to engage in classified information pillow talk.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.37    5 months ago

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CB
Professor Principal
7.1.40  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.39    5 months ago

You can read: You argue with it - not me. Incidentally, we all have heard (from Donald) how information can be declassified by the president in certain instances. . .and moreover, there is this notion that a married couple are One. So just stop already. This is getting stupid and weird.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.41  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.38    5 months ago

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The take-away? There is no exception in the law allowing disclosure of classified information to a spouse not authorized to receive it. 

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2023/04/23/what-happens-if-i-share-classified-information-with-my-spouse/#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20exception%20in,no%20one%20is%20the%20wiser.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.42  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.41    5 months ago

Well go tell JFK (if you can go away and something about it). 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.43  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.40    5 months ago
we all have heard (from Donald) how information can be declassified by the president in certain instances.

And you are buying into that?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.42    5 months ago

Funny how your example was from 60 years ago.  

But you are right, I am done.

Thanks for you lunch

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.45  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.43    5 months ago

Enough. I have answered your statements properly. I wish to stop now. So be a gentleman and just move on.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.46  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.44    5 months ago

Not nearly as funny as your pretense that married couples don't engage in pillow talk or 'talk around their premises' about issues of their day/work. . . . ignoring the obvious which is the first lady is a CONFIDANT.

The age of the article is INDICATIVE, partially, of how long (it goes thousands of years back we can presume to kings talking to queens about matters of state and vice-versa too) this has been understood to be happening. But, you are free to continue in denying history. . . as if you can change it by mere pretense of "Nuh-uh."

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.47  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.27    5 months ago

Ditto. And you should read 7.1.36 again and cease denying the obvious just because it does not suit your peculiar brand of assent and denial.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.48  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.47    5 months ago

Read 7.1.45

What happened?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.49  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.48    5 months ago

You kept commenting and being 'smart.'  I was thinking the same thing, but decided not to be petty about it. ;)

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.50  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.49    5 months ago

No I didnt .  Actually I had stopped commenting over 2 hours ago before you even said "I wish to stop now. So be a gentleman and just move on."  Since then you commented twice, once 45 minutes ago (to a post that was 3 hours earlier)to which I responded.

So I gave you what you asked for and you just kept going.  Interesting.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.51  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.50    5 months ago

Still 'talking' I see.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
7.1.52  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @7.1.51    5 months ago

Still not stopping like you said you wanted to I see.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  CB @7.1.38    5 months ago
it is OK to engage in classified information pillow talk.

and your authority on that is what??

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8  George    5 months ago

I wonder if they substitute someone for Biden before the election, will the democrats who have been shilling for him on the news and talk shows have the integrity to admit that they were wrong and that he is really is unfit to hold office? Or will we see endless defections and excuses?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1  CB  replied to  George @8    5 months ago

Just stop wondering about it aloud, please. It's bothersome and consumes time and space.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @8.1    5 months ago

why do you think you can tell him what he can post?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.1    5 months ago

NPD …..a textbook case.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @8    5 months ago

Admit they were wrong?

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Drinker of the Wry
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9  Drinker of the Wry    5 months ago

After reading the Special Counsel’s report and watching Biden’s hastily convened press conference, I thought back to our chaotic and costly exit from Afghanistan.

Then Biden claimed that none of his military advisers had recommended leaving a residual force of 2,500 troops.  However in Congressional testimony, those military leaders disputed the CiC.  

Now I wonder did he lie, or did he simply forget what they had told him? Which is worse?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
9.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    5 months ago
Now I wonder did he lie, or did he simply forget what they had told him? Which is worse?

The answer from many on the left is easy....But But But Trump

The answer from non biased people that are actually capable of critical thought is "Either way is scares the shit out of me that people are considering electing him for another four years.  Dementia and mental capabilities get worse every day in the elderly, they never get better."

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
10  Mark in Wyoming     5 months ago

Cant say if they have a plan B or not , but my money is on some are considering they need one  even if those that think so are in the minority right now .

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
10.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @10    5 months ago

If Kamala is plan B they need to skip right to plan C

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
10.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1    5 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    5 months ago

Democrats only have 2 choices right now.  If they have any integrity they will:

  1. Step back and allow charges to be pressed
  2. Remove Biden under the 25th Amendment.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    5 months ago
Remove Biden under the 25th Amendment

I hope not. I want him right there in November.

 
 

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