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Supreme Court upholds domestic violence gun restriction

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  5 months ago  •  32 comments

By:   President Joe Biden (NBC News)

Supreme Court upholds domestic violence gun restriction
The Supreme Court rules on a federal law that prohibits people subject to domestic violence restraining orders from having firearms.

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June 21, 2024, 2:23 PM UTC / Updated June 21, 2024, 2:40 PM UTCBy Lawrence Hurley

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday upheld a federal law that prohibits people subjected to domestic violence restraining orders from having firearms, taking a step back from its recent endorsement of a broad right to possess a gun.

The court on an 8-1 vote ruled in favor of the Biden administration, which was defending the law — one of several federal gun restrictions currently facing legal challenges.

The ruling indicates that some longstanding gun laws are likely to survive despite the court's 2022 decision that expanded gun rights by finding for the first time that there is a right to bear arms outside the home under the Constitution's Second Amendment.

Attendees hold Ruger revolver pistols during the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting at the George R. Brown Convention Center, in Houston, on May 28, 2022.Patrick T. Fallon / AFP - Getty Images file

Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that since the United States was founded "our nation's firearm laws have included provisions preventing individuals who threaten physical harm to others from misusing firearms."

The provision at issue in the case "fits comfortably within this tradition," he added.

In reaching its conclusion, the court did not embrace some of the arguments made by the Biden administration in defense of the law, including that the government can disarm people who are not "responsible."

Although the vote was lopsided, with only conservative Justice Clarence Thomas dissenting, the ruling nevertheless exposed divisions among the justices on the gun rights issue, with five justices writing separate concurring opinions explaining their views.

Those extensive opinions will help shape how the court will approach future gun cases, several of which of currently pending.

The 2022 decision, in a case called New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen, said gun restrictions had to be analyzed based on a historical understanding of the right to bear arms. As such, the decision raised questions about many existing gun restrictions that gun rights activists say are not anchored in historical tradition.

One of those other laws, which bars users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms, has drawn scrutiny in part because Hunter Biden, President Joe Biden's son, has been charged with violating it and has mounted a constitutional challenge.

The three liberal justices on the conservative-majority court were all in the majority while making it clear they disagree with the 2022 ruling.

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, who was appointed by President Joe Biden after that decision was issued, said the new case "highlights the apparent difficulty faced by judges on the ground" in deciding which gun laws should be upheld in light of the earlier ruling.

In his dissent, Thomas stuck to his view that the history of similar laws at the time of the nation's founding is determinative. Other justices are more willing to consider laws that are not exactly the same but have a similar effect.

"Not a single historical regulation justifies the statute at issue," Thomas wrote.

The case before the justices concerned Zackey Rahimi, a Texas man whose partner obtained a restraining order against him in February 2020. He argued that he cannot be prosecuted under the federal gun possession restriction in light of what the Supreme Court concluded.

Rahimi's ex-partner, with whom he shares a child, obtained a restraining order after an incident in an Arlington, Texas, parking lot in 2019. Rahimi allegedly knocked the woman to the ground, dragged her to his car and pushed her inside, causing her to knock her head on the dashboard, prosecutors said in court papers. He also allegedly fired a shot from his gun in the direction of a witness.

Even while the protective order was in place, Rahimi was implicated in a series of shootings, including one in which he allegedly fired bullets into a house using an AR-15 rifle, prosecutors allege.

Rahimi faces state charges in the domestic assault and a separate assault against a different woman. But the case before the justices concerns his separate prosecution by the Justice Department for violating the federal gun possession law.

Rahimi ultimately pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six years in prison.

The New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals applied the Supreme Court's 2022 ruling in Rahimi's case and concluded last year that the law "fails to pass constitutional muster."

Lawrence Hurley

Lawrence Hurley covers the Supreme Court for NBC News.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 months ago

Great decision! Should have been unanimous.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 months ago

Just another reason why Thomas should be booted from the Court.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    5 months ago

I agree!

NRA must be lining his pockets.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    5 months ago

Although we may never know for sure, that's a damn good guess. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2  Robert in Ohio    5 months ago

Absolutely should have been a unanimous decision 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3  Jeremy Retired in NC    5 months ago
Rahimi faces state charges in the domestic assault and a separate assault against a different woman. But the case before the justices concerns his separate prosecution by the Justice Department for violating the federal gun possession law. Rahimi ultimately pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six years in prison.

With this conviction, this dumbass falls under the Lautenberg Amendment now.

The Lautenberg Amendment makes it a felony for anyone convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence such as an assault or attempted assault on a family member, to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. The purpose of this Amendment is to get and keep firearms out of the hands of those individuals with domestic violence convictions. This form is to confirm if a U.S. Marshal applicant has not been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

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Igknorantzruls
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4  Igknorantzruls    5 months ago

My only problem with this, is there are many completely FALSE PFA's , filed against completely Innocent individuals, as I was one of them a few decades back.

I was not even in the same state, but had to oblige to the order for a year, and it was way wrong, but we do some pretty amazing things, when it comes to kids. 

If the PFA is legit, i am completely for this ruling, but they give them out with just the word of the accuser, which I am fine so as the woman(in most cases) is safe, but after an investigation there must be a way to verify the accusation is totally on the level, cause all it would take, is for a scorned X, is a phone call and a police report to take away someone's right to bear arms, which i enjoy, even with long sleeved shirts

 
 
 
evilone
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5  evilone    5 months ago
 ...on the gun rights issue...five justices writing separate concurring opinions explaining their views.

This will take a lot of time to sort out. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

I would hope decisions like this would end the stupid “it’s a partisan court whose decisions are decided along ideological lines” cut and paste attacks, but I know the ding dongs will right back at it as soon as one case doesn’t go their way, 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 months ago
I would hope decisions like this would end the stupid “it’s a partisan court whose decisions are decided along ideological lines” cut and paste attacks

Why would you think that?  Because both sides happen to agree on this one issue?  Remember this is the SCOTUS that threw out decades of case law and previous SCOTUS decisions to take away a woman's right to control of her own body.

Just because they make a decision every now and then that both sides agree with does not make some of them any less right wing extremists.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1    5 months ago

Don't forget the left wing extremists too

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    5 months ago

Seems the three always vote in lockstep trying to legislate from the bench.  It is the conservative justices that have split  voting now and then based on their interpretation of the constitution.  No such thing exists with the extremist justices

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1    5 months ago
Why would you think tha

Thank you for proving my point. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.2    5 months ago
eems the three always vote in lockstep trying to legislate from the bench.

And that's their version of role of the Court. If it doesn't vote in synch with the hard left justice block every single time, on every single issue, the Court is corrupt, partisan, etc...

Only a true ding dong would characterize the court as radically right wing, or reactionary.  Almost no votes,  as on this second amendment case, are  on a 6-3 "party lines," and the diversity of approaches among "conservative"  justices leads to countless different alignment.  What angers the far left isn't that the Court is radically right wing, they are mad it's no longer radically left wing and they hate that.  Rather than simply imposing their views by judicial fiat, they now have to  win elections and pas laws to get their way, and that enrages them. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    5 months ago
Don't forget the left wing extremists too

You can claim it, but I have not seen any evidence of it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    5 months ago

They're not the ones dissenting.  These alleged left wing extremists.

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Tessylo
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6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.5    5 months ago

Because there is none.  You're correct, as usual.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.8  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.5    5 months ago

Can't with eyes wide shut...........

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.8    5 months ago
Can't with eyes wide shut...........

You have provided no evidence for me to look at.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.10  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.9    5 months ago

The squad

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1    5 months ago
Remember this is the SCOTUS that threw out decades of case law and previous SCOTUS decisions to take away a woman's right to control of her own body.

gee, you act as if this is the first time that SCOTUS has ever reversed itself!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.10    5 months ago
The squad

1st, we're talking SCOTUS Justices here.

2nd,

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Hal A. Lujah
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6.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 months ago

And what say you about Clarence Thomas, the only conservative who can’t comprehend this common sense decision?  At this point he’s nothing more than a SC Troll.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.2    5 months ago

I  haven't read his dissent, so I have no idea what he argued.  Since he's the most absolutist of the justices in favor of rights, it's not really surprising  he would be very skeptical of any restriction to a right. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.1    5 months ago
in favor of rights

His right for him to make his graft from the far right?

 
 
 
George
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7  George    5 months ago

This is a good ruling, the person accused has the right to dispute it in court, if they are successful in defending themselves the accuser should have to pay all attorney fees and court costs for filing a false complaint.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8  Nerm_L    5 months ago

I don't think President Joe Biden has become a journalist for NBC News.  NBC may be on the spiral down but they haven't sunk that low yet.  The fetch function blew chunks again.  (Keep in mind that it is impossible to accommodate all the craziness web designers are exposing us to.  The fetch function works pretty well in that environment.)


As far as the ruling goes, everyone is still lying to each other in an attempt to score political points.  The 2nd amendment ain't rocket science. 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the , shall not be infringed.

If someone threatens to commit or does commit a crime using a firearm then they are not well regulated and cannot belong to the militia.  If someone cannot regulate their own use of a firearm then they're out -- all the way out.  That's a pretty low bar for determining who can and cannot possess firearms.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.1  evilone  replied to  Nerm_L @8    5 months ago
If someone threatens to commit or does commit a crime using a firearm then they are not well regulated and cannot belong to the militia.

I'm willing to bet very, very few firearm owners are part of any state militia.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.1.1  cjcold  replied to  evilone @8.1    5 months ago

The FBI states that far right militias are their worst problem.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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9  Gsquared    5 months ago

Sanity prevailed, for a change.  Except for the completely insane Clarence Thomas.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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10  Freefaller    5 months ago

Lol, but what if the commies invade how will they defend themselves

 
 
 
cjcold
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10.1  cjcold  replied to  Freefaller @10    5 months ago
commies invade

They have met the commies and they are (now) them.

 
 

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