Gavin Newsom's Chances of Beating Donald Trump, According to Polls - Newsweek
By: Ewan Palmer (Newsweek)
LMAO
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Questions have been raised as to whether Gavin Newsom should replace President Joe Biden as the 2024 Democratic nominee, but polls suggest the California governor would still lose to Donald Trump.
Fears over Biden's reelection hopes increased following the president's performance during the CNN debate on Thursday.
During the debate, Biden, who has faced concerns about his age as he seeks a second term, gave a number of incoherent and confusing responses to questions while also trailing off and not completing his sentences. Biden's voice also appeared hoarse, which his campaign team said was due to a cold.
The performance prompted calls from some Democrats for Biden to stand down and allow another candidate to seek the 2024 nomination at the Democratic National Convention in August. Newsom, long seen as a future Democratic White House hopeful, has already dismissed suggestions he or anyone else is hoping to replace Biden as the party's nominee.
Even if Biden were to stand down—essentially the only way he will not be the Democratic Party nominee in November—the polls available suggest Newsom would lose to Trump.
A March Rasmussen Reports survey of 912 likely voters found that former President Trump would lead by 17 points (51 percent to 34) if Newsom were the 2024 Democratic nominee.
In February 2024, an Emerson College Polling survey of 1,225 showed that Trump would win in a hypothetical White House race against Newsom by 10 points (46 percent to 36).
A November 2023 Fox News poll of 1,001 registered voters found that Trump would win an election against Newsom by four points (49 percent to 45).
Newsweek reached out to Biden's office via email for comment.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks after President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump's debate in Atlanta, Georgia, on June 27. Newsom dismissed suggestions Biden should pull out of the 2024 race following the debate.California Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks after President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump's debate in Atlanta, Georgia, on June 27. Newsom dismissed suggestions Biden should pull out of the 2024 race following the debate.Andrew Harnik/Getty Images
In the wake of the CNN debate, Newsom reiterated that he is supporting Biden's reelection bid and described calls for the president to step down as "unhelpful" and "unnecessary."
"We've got to have the back of this president," Newsom told MSNBC. "You don't turn your back because of one performance. What kind of party does that?
"The more time we start having these conversations, go down these rabbit holes, are unhelpful to our democracy, our fate and future of this country," Newsom added. "The world needs us to step up, and that's exactly what I intend to do."
Steve Schmidt, a veteran anti-Trump Republican strategist, was one of those who suggested that Biden end his 2024 bid in the wake of his debate performance.
"Joe Biden lost the country tonight, and will not get it back," Schmidt posted on X, formerly Twitter. "If Trump is a threat and democracy is on the line, then Biden must step aside. His duty, oath and legacy require an act of humility and selflessness."
Former Democratic presidential hopeful Andrew Yang posted on X: "What's Joe Biden's superpower? That he's a good guy who will do the right thing for the country. In this case, that's stepping aside and letting the DNC choose another nominee."
Biden is set to be confirmed as the party's 2024 nominee at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in August.
The president and his team have long dismissed suggestions he will withdraw from the race before November amid concerns about his age and poor approval ratings.
Lauren Hitt, Biden's campaign spokesperson, told the Associated Press after the debate: "Of course he's not dropping out."
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And panic mode will rule the day. Joe has to go LMAO
Trump by 17 points over Newsom? What a winning strategy
So we have 2 options for the next election.
One of these 2 is an actual threat to the American way of life and the government itself.
That's less than complete:
"The governor and I, we were all doing a tour of the library here and talking about the significance of the passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time. So, when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires. What we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time when we think about a day in the life of our children."
"We will work together, and continue to work together, to address these issues…and to work together as we continue to work, operating from the new norms, rules, and agreements, that we will convene to work together...we will work on this together."
“So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong.”
Those are, really, the only facts you have in your comment.
Yep, that definitely would be Biden.
That is an opinion. I just listed the facts, you read into them what you want.
Suggest you reference your English Language 101 textbook, and fix your own sentences.
You listed Democrat talking points.
Congrats.
Deflection attempt noted
Correct, otherwise known as facts.
I'll take option number two.
she was appealing to the maga intellect
lol - or lack thereof
All Trump would have to do in a debate is ask Newsom why California has turned into such a shithole under his leadership and 17 would become 30
Maybe, taking into consideration America's present situation and the public's wishes, the Democrats should run Pete Buttigieg to be their candidate with AOC as his VP.
You must KNOW I was just joshing, so I'm glad it got a laugh.
When I saw you named AOC, I knew you were kidding
I don't know if they'll ever get to Newscum. They have to hop over Biden's promise to black voters: Kamala Harris and before that they have to convince Biden's sister and wife that Joe must step aside. Both women demand that Joe continue to the bitter end.
Really? After last night's debate? Did he not watch what happened?
Newsom has too much baggage and California is a mess.
I don't see independents going for him, who wants the nation to be like Cali?
Sky high income taxes, high sales tax, onerous regulations that stifle businesses and homeowners, and a massive deficit despite the massive tax base.
I don't believe smart folks would vote for him.
He can’t make it any worse than it is.
Isn't that like saying 'Hold my beer' ?
Well, I think California has the highest unemployment rate, and is running a massive deficit
I don't want California for the country.
When what you have isn’t going to work, it’s silly to stay with it if you can make a change.
Unless you’re going to put California’s legislature in Congress, that’s not going to happen.
And if they were to make a change (which would be quite a remarkable event), they should replace both president and V.P. with the best duo they can muster.
I would seek Tim Walz, Josh Shapiro, or some other experienced, successful, moderate, smart, articulate D governor as the presidential candidate with a V.P. like Gretchen Whitmer. And if Oprah wanted to run as V.P. her massive name-recognition cannot be dismissed.
Highly wishful thinking here, but there is not much else to do. Biden has dug a very deep hole for himself and the election was neck-and-neck prior to the debate.
You know, nationally, both of those things increased under Trump. So you probably don’t want him either.
It’s too bad a pandemic didn’t happen then he could blame it on that.
Agreed. However I don't think Newsome is the answer here after where California is at. The country already has a tremendous budget crisis, it doesn't need to add to it. I think Amy Klobuchar would be a good replacement but I'm unsure as to the VP. Afraid Harris doesn't cut it but she might work if she's willing to remain VP. Someone today mentioned Buttigieg and I could not support him.
I think Newsome has too much baggage due to California that he's not a good fit.
Like I heard once about where I live.
"Don't Califoricate America".
What does THAT mean?
They both could.
I also think I would prefer Klobuchar.
Gee, wouldn't Newsom have a pen and a phone of his own?
I don't want Trump.
How is this not clear to everyone by now?
Does anyone read the posts?
If the choice is Trump or someone else, that 'someone else' would need to be worse for the nation than Trump. I do not see many of the viable candidates fitting that bill.
Trump is unacceptable. Many are not great but that beats the hell out of unacceptable.
I also find Biden and Newson unacceptable.
For the obvious reasons, of course.
Yes, obviously, because they are not Republicans.
Well, you are correct in saying that they are not Republicans.
There are better reasons not to vote for them, however.
I have no desire to go down the same disastrous road as California, and Biden is incompetent.
I hope those reasons alone would convince anyone seriously considering voting for one of them from doing so.
Well TiG, we talked about this a few months ago. I still only see one person whom the Dems could draft as a candidate that would have the least pushback AND the greatest chance of winning.
Michelle Obama, if she would run.
Anyone else is flat out already half sunk and dead in the water.
that of course is just my honest opinion.
Would you vote for Michelle Obama?
Very doubtful, but it is really a moot question since she isn't running.
Why do you want to know?
If that was meant for me and not Tex,
I would have to hear her policy statements and what she thinks needs done as well as what she honestly thinks can be done before I could make that determination.
Alot of things to take into consideration before deciding whom to vote for.
I can say if she ran my definite no vote for either of the presumptive runners would be changed to a definite maybe dependent on her policy stances she would make.
I'm still not going to hold my breath though, but if she ran , it would be hers to win , or lose.
Because you voted up Mark's comment which suggests you believe she would be the strongest / best candidate for the Ds.
And because I wanted to see how you would respond given it is obvious you would never vote for her because she is a D.
It was meant for Texan.
You mentioned in January that you believe Michelle Obama would be the strongest replacement for Biden. Given that, I would be surprised if you, given a Trump vs. Michelle decision, would vote for Trump. Thus my expectation is that you would either abstain or vote for Michelle.
I think it is very reasonable for you to want to understand her policy positions before choosing to vote for her.
Okay.
He also said other things in his post.
I do think she would be a better candidate than Biden, Newsom, or Whitmer for Democrats.
I also agreed with this in his post:
Being able to recognize who a better candidate would be for Democrats doesn't have a thing to do with who I vote for.
I hope one day to be able to learn how to give a thumbs up to only part of a comment as not to create any confusion. I really didn't think people took that stuff so seriously.
If you are going to assume you know how I will answer, what is the point of asking?
Who knows, some intelligent Democrat candidate may come along at any moment and convince me of the error of my ways.
This seems to be headed in a personal direction.
People sometimes ask questions for confirmation.
Sometimes isn't always.
NOTE: I can't change the RBR's and it says "no Trump" however, he is mentioned no less than 10 times in the article so that is not a valid rule
You might as well try Newsom, though - or someone else, because that mushroom we have for president sure as hell isn’t going to beat Trump. He shouldn’t even be in office now.
If Democrats can't do better than Newsom; then their bench really is barren.
I think the same thing about Trump and the Republicans. In fact, poll after poll shows most Americans dislike either option.
Unfortunately, what most Americans are doing is merely settling for the lesser of two evils.
Pitiful and shameful, IMO.
One of those two will be PotUS (unless something extraordinary happens).
You complain about those who are taking a stand on these two yet your solution is to vote third party or abstain and thus your vote will not, in any way, contribute to deciding the next PotUS. Worse, you think by voting third party that this mere act will somehow magically cause a viable third party to emerge for the first time in 150 years.
You have no strategy, only extremely wishful thinking. You thus are in no position to criticize the American people who choose to use their vote to deal with reality.
Sounds like something I have read once or a hundred times. If you will read my posts, you will see that I am not arguing that.
I will not engage in this argument yet again with you.
Just know that we don't agree, okay, and let's move on. We have been over and over and over this until we have talked it to death..
You repeat (endlessly) your criticism (see @5.1.2) of those who are going to choose between the nominees of the major parties (the only viable candidate) and then complain that the natural rebuttal appears.
If you do not want to 'talk to death' your irrational complaint about the 'lesser of two evils' then cease bringing it up.
Do you see "IMO" in my post?
If you don't think you are settling for the lesser of two evils by voting for Biden, why not just say so? IMO, it is settling. If that is a criticism, so be it.
You may have the last word.
Okay, what I just posted still applies.
You repeat (endlessly) your criticism (see @5.1.2) of those who are going to choose between the nominees of the major parties (the only viable candidates) and then complain that the natural rebuttal appears.
If you do not want to 'talk to death' your irrational complaint about the 'lesser of two evils' then cease bringing it up.
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Do you think Biden won anyone over with his performance in the debate?
Unfortunately, for many, dislike fails to translate into not voting for someone you don't want.
Again you criticize without an alternative. When there are only two viable candidates and neither is desirable, one has the following choices:
That is it.
You repeatedly claim that voting third party will send a message. That this act expresses to the two major parties that they need to do better. And in both cases this is true. A message of dissatisfaction is sent to the two major parties and one of encouragement is sent to third parties in general. Now, what does that accomplish? It feels good, but in the past 150 years we have never had a third party become viable and clearly the two major parties do not hear the message given the current candidates. The last third party to emerge into viability was the Republican party and it essentially replaced the Whig party leaving us with (again) two parties.
So if one is voting third party to send a message, history shows that the message is weak and is ignored. Message sent but nothing ever comes from it.
The modern third parties (in the last half century) are all non-viable. None have accomplished anything of real value. The oldest of these, the Libertarians, is over 50 years old and still is not even remotely viable. And instead of one of these many parties catching on, we see more parties simply emerge (e.g. the No Labels party).
I am absolutely in favor of three or four viable parties in the USA. I think that would solve a lot of our problems. But history shows that this is not going to simply happen by people waiting until election day and then merely voting to 'send a message'. Waiting until election day and then merely casting a third party vote (or, worse, a write-in) demonstrably, provably accomplishes nothing. It is too little, too late.
To create a viable third party we need to do a hell of a lot more and do it well before election day. It would not be easy, but I think this is what is needed:
The critical factor for a viable third party is a charismatic candidate with a killer platform. That is a very high bar, but without it I see no hope for a third party.
Then, given this stellar candidate, the third party needs to be extremely well-funded ($1+ billion) to attract the talent to build the infrastructure and staff same to produce a highly effective, multi-dimensional force that could rival that of the D and R parties. And this all needs to be in place years before the votes start.
Merely voting for various third party candidates on election day sprinkles a tiny minority of votes around ½ dozen feckless third parties and, as we have observed for at least 150 years now, accomplishes nothing. Indeed, one could argue that the quality of the candidates continues to worsen.
If one can discern that Trump or Biden is better for the nation than the other (even though neither should be PotUS), it would be far more effective to use one's vote to help elect the candidate better for the nation.
And voting for someone like Gavin Newsome as the official replacement for Biden is also likely to fail. Even if he or someone else were to replace Biden there are so many downsides to switching nominees at this late stage that the effort would likely fail. And this is with one of the major parties!
I was not made aware that it is my duty to provide alternatives to everyone.
Ooops! Sorry!
This post is a perfect example of the lengths some will go to to justify a vote for someone who is demonstrably incompetent and unable to perform the duties of president.
Criticizing without an alternative shows that your criticism is unfounded.
You criticize people for casting a vote for president in 2024. That alone is amazing ... that anyone would actually criticize someone for using their vote as they see fit.
But you offer no better option. Thus your criticism is not constructive and fundamentally flawed.
If the choice is limited to two candidates, is voting for the losing candidate any different, really, than voting for someone else outside of the two frontrunners?
What has been accomplished by anyone voting for the losing candidate?
Amazing that you actually ask such a question. Do you presume that voters know ahead of the vote who will win??
People will cast their vote between Trump and Biden and nobody will KNOW who wins until the votes are counted.
What is accomplished by voting is that your vote adds with other votes to determine the winner. If you do not vote, then you have not helped the more desirable candidate win. Multiply this now by millions of people. If millions of people were to think like you (which is precisely defeatist) then they would guarantee the loss of the candidate they prefer.
Always free to form your own opinion on it, as am I.
As do you. Why is it somehow different when I do it???
I hold the opinion that is what you do, too.
But of course it is different when I do it! LOL
What are the results of voting for the loser, why exactly the same as if one votes for someone not considered viable, of course!
Do you understand that the next PotUS will either be Biden or Trump?
If so, tell us all how voting for someone else or abstaining will change that reality. (You cannot do so.)
But since Biden and Trump are profoundly different, most functioning minds can determine which of the two they feel is better for the nation and vote accordingly. Their votes are dealing with the hand that was dealt and collectively do indeed make a difference (the difference being to pick the one who is seen to be best for the nation).
Do you think Biden is competent and has the mental capacity to perform the duties of president especially if we have a national emergency?
How many times am I expected to answer the same question?
YES, for the umpteenth time I UNDERSTAND IT.
Do you know who is going to lose when you vote? Of course you do not. Your logic is fundamentally flawed.
But we all know that a non-viable candidate will lose.
Awful hard to believe anyone who watched the debate would have any doubts that Biden isn't capable.
I spoke of RESULTS.
Sure, one may feel good about voting prior to the results, but you have failed to address my question--what is actually accomplished by voting for the losing candidate?
I asked George, not you, so why are you complaining?
Tell us all how voting for someone else or abstaining will change that reality.
Interesting comment.
I have been informed this is a public forum and this is how it works.
Was I told wrong?
Do you feel Biden is competent and able to perform the duties required to be President especially if we have a national emergency? It’s a simple question TiG.
You are free to answer any question or opine on any comment.
Your reply in and of itself is not a problem.
The problem is that you complained that I asked you a question yet I asked the question of George, not you.
Hello?
The odds are that due to the fact there are so many people who vote party lines because they are to ignorant to do anything else that we will end up with one or the other, but anyone who is aware of the catastrophic defects in a candidate but votes for the anyway is a different story.
I have stated that Biden should not be running for PotUS because he is too old. I have stated this for years. Regardless, I would trust Biden's judgment in a national emergency far more than Trump's. Trump thinks he knows everything and does not benefit from learned advice. Biden, like most people, will listen to advice.
The fundamental problem is that Trump is unacceptable. And I have stated the reasons for this for years now.
We have a choice of unacceptable and bad. My conclusion, even after the debate, remains that Trump is far worse (no comparison even) for this nation than Biden.
Do you think Trump is better for this nation than Biden? It is a simple question, George.
Thank you!
It’s a technique used to obtain false confessions, it’s akin to brainwashing.
What is the alternative? If one can discern that one of the two is better for the nation then explain to me how not voting for the better of the two accomplishes anything of value.
Are you unaware that I did not ask Texan that question? Are you following the thread?
The problem is that you complained that I asked you a question yet I asked the question of George, not you.
I will not answer your question until you directly answer mine.
Do you feel Biden is competent and has the capacity to carry out the duties of president especially in a national emergency?
I don’t want a deflection to age or a bullshit if he is better than Trump, it is a direct simple yes or no question.
Yes, in this thread you asked George.
I gave you a detailed answer. It means that yes Biden is competent to deal with a national emergency because he will heed the advice of those surrounding him whereas Trump will not.
Just read instead of falsely claiming 'bullshit'.
Do you think Trump is better for this nation than Biden?
If so, explain why.
And if someone makes a post that suggests they do not see a difference between Biden and Trump or pretends that there is a way for us to get someone other than Biden or Trump I will ask the question of them.
If an ill-conceived claim is repeated it is fair game to repeat the rebuttal. It is not 'brainwashing', it is challenging an irrational criticism that is continually repeated.
1.4 'Newscum'
It is quite possible to see differences between Trump and Biden and still know neither is fit.
So you feel Biden is incapable of making the decisions and will allow unelected officials to make them for him is effectively what you are saying.
I think they are different, Biden is incompetent and unqualified do to mental decline to preform any aspect of the office, trump is unfit for moral reasons but is mentally competent enough to do the job. But I will not vote for either. And will not make BS arguments to justify a vote for someone I feel is qualified for different reasons, mental decline to the point of senility or mental defects do to personality defects.
Makes me wonder who is in charge, Biden or his handlers!
I couldn't, nor would i, ever vote for that lying bassturd , and not only due to Trumps lying attempted take over, as there is so much more, so much fundamentally WRONG with him. As ive continued to state, never a big Biden fan, but i do know he has a very competent group of experts around him, unlike Trump, who will this term if elected, be surrounded by only yes men and women, as so many former advisors and cabinet, refuse to even endorse the Trojan Horse.
I have not a problem with voting for another if that is what the Dems choose, as long as Donald Trump does lose, we all will have won.
As I’ve stated many times I will not vote for Trump, I also won’t vote for someone who is obviously mentally incompetent.
It is ridiculous on its face to say you will vote for someone because he will listen to his advisers and follow their advice. Biden’s advice was not to pursue the Bin Laden raid, and that was more than 10 years ago, there is absolutely no evidence that this senile old fool will follow good advice even if is given to him.
Some will, though, proudly thinking they are saving democracy!
Yes, but one of them will be PotUS, so it makes sense for voters to determine which one is better for the nation and vote accordingly.
The hand is dealt.
When the choice is between an imbecile and a moron, I will vote for someone else.
“…as long as Donald Trump does lose, we all will have won.”
Undoubtedly.
so you give him full credit for a best in the world recovery after Covid and the record highest Stock market then ? It's either sleepy Joe or Dominant Biden, which is it ?
No one wins with a Biden second term.
Those people never served and have no faith in our democracy, or they are just fear mongering jackasses. There is no way trump can destroy our democracy without the support of the military.
You and I both know that, but there is a plethora of folks who have foolishly bought into the hysteria.
No matter what I write, I can count on you to spin it to the extreme.
No, George, Biden's debate performance was amazingly bad but that is one data point, one aspect. Debating is not the function of a PotUS. Biden, if you pay any attention at all, has functioned as PotUS. And what I stated is that his weaknesses (which do exist) can be dealt with given he has advisors and staff and, unlike Trump, does consider the views of others.
So yes he is clearly capable of making decisions and is also not alone.
I view Trump as unfit not just for moral reasons but his attitude. He cares only about himself and is willing to throw the nation under the bus. He demonstrated this clearly. On top of that, he is a loose cannon who will make short-term decisions and ignore (or be oblivious to) long-term consequences. In today's world environment, it is entirely irresponsible for this nation to give the powers of a presidency to a short-sighted, impulsive, narcissistic scoundrel like Trump.
and i think a vote for Trump is a disservice to Democracy,
and i did NOT say u were, but i still think you will
Again with the spin. I did not say I will vote for him because he will listen to advisors. I stated that he will listen to advisers to emphasize that he is not alone and that listening to advisers is the responsible way to behave. As opposed to Trump's approach where he thinks he is always the smartest guy in the room. That is dangerous and you apparently cannot see that.
I don’t give him credit for that, he had every advantage, not one day of his presidency did he not have vaccinations and treatments and still killed more Americans than Trump, the recovery success falls directly in the American people in spite of the shitty leadership from the top to the state and even city level.
I agree.
It always amazes me that no matter what I write, people will say it means something else.
To accomplish what, exactly?
Perhaps American business deserves some credit and not the usual disdain.
It’s either US business exceptionalism or not, which is it?
Talk about spin? Reread what you wrote.
Well, for starters, to say I voted with integrity and in what I consider the best interests of the country.
My vote will accomplish exactly what ANY vote for a candidate who loses will.
We have been all through this countless times.
A lame 'rebuttal'.
And nothing ever comes of merely casting a third party or write-in vote at election time.
Except you know ahead of time that your candidate has no possible chance at winning.
Yes, you keep repeating the same nonsense so you get the same rebuttal.
GregTx the ticket was waived because Texan1211 had already answered. SP
George the flag was ignored because Texan1211 had already responded. SP
George, the note about your opinion of the moderation is noted. SP
And nothing good comes from voting an idiot into office.
And you think who you will vote for will lose. No effective difference.
This exchange is farce.
For someone who has confirmed repeatedly that he will not a vote for either, any comment on the two candidates is rendered moot. And the hundreds of posts on a subject you purportedly don’t care about just makes one look needy. Just sit back and relax, tex…unless of course, you are, as suspected…simply full of it.
didn't we already discuss this? in case you forgot:
This is in no way, an attack on the integrity of our military, what it is, is a fear that the enablers of Trump, have shown he can go further then any of them ever thought possible. Thus why the many who disavowed him previous, have only once again stated their support, when it should have always been ABORT!
Trumps' 2025 plan, where in it, he expels any and all he can, replacing them with women and 'YES' men, is evidence that Trump plans on not repeating his "mistakes" from Trump 1administration, where he had 'Adults' in the room to keep the A DOLT, from venturing too far, so whomever said Dolt does surround himself with, they will be of like sick thinking. And you should believe him.
If anyone told me, after January 6th we would still be threatened by this miscreant maniacal mucus with a deformed mem-brain in our upcoming 2024 Presidential election, i would have said their mind has an infection, for if taken are the statements of say so many Republicans, whose lives were put in harm's way that day, and that compilation of what they, the Republican Congress and Senate, along with the hunted Mike Pence had to say after that stand out day, it's hard not to notice, how short a memory, or just how Dense, feeble minds have become. Do you recall McConnel's words, as he wholly attributed the insurrection to be that of Donald Trump's origination, and i concur.
I find US A ll in straits so convoluted, that knot shore as to who might just salute it, cause just like so many times before, never thought Americans would allow such an impure, to infest our hallowed halls where so many fought so hard to keep one like Trump from ever ascending, and as i, and so many others watch in disbelief at the gullibility of so many others, i unfortunately cannot with certainty, state that our Military, is capable of containing one, who has brainwashed so many blinded constituents, the Republican Party, and possibly, our Suprem Court, to a way of thinking as if involved, was heavy drinking. If he somehow achieves another impossibility, as he has conquered so many of what i had once considered to be, in getting the Supreme Court to declare total immunity, how far off is he to be, from manipulating Military minds, whom already, may have tendencies to see like he's, been saw to have seen, without sight acutely keen, it has become the obscene, and the norm, for a cult liter, quart appointed law cheater, accomplisher of the most improbable deceits ever by a deceiver, to ever get past so many so lost, will be a price paid upon where there is not a value , one could cast, to determine its worth, and all emanated from Trump, a plentiful placenta full, of after birth matter that has done left quite the splatter, on all that does matter, to quite a few patriotic AMERICANS, who actually do care about the outcome of this election, as at stake, is more than you and so many others, can even truthfully admit, cause after reading what you have written, you would be full of shit, but don't let that stop you one bit, so go ahead, and prove to US, and anyone reading, how you can defend Trump, without misleading...US ALL
An accurate rebuttal to a ridiculous comment. You effectively wrote I’m not voting for him because he will listen to his advisers but because a trust him to listen to his advisers unlike trump.
just say that you are voting for an mentally challenged octogenarian because Trump!!!!!!
I agree.
okay, i am
Why do I get the impression that no matter how clear, you will distort what I write?
Biden can function as PotUS for the reasons I gave. And that is profoundly better than having Trump at the helm. The next PotUS is either Biden or Trump, Trump is not an option. I will thus vote for Biden.
You are claiming that you will not vote for either. So you are choosing to not help make the choice. I think that is great since your posts suggest strongly that if you did vote for Biden or Trump, it would be Trump. So your (claimed) 0 vote for Trump helps.
Finally a honest answer, at least you accept that you are voting for someone who is mentally capable of being president simply because of Trump, and I 100% respect your right to do so.
I don’t care what you think about my voting decisions, you should read Iggy’s response, he has the integrity to admit he is voting for someone he feels is incompetent because of trump, a question you have studiously avoided. Do you feel Biden is mentally competent to handle the challenges now and for the next four years? It is a simple yes or no! I don’t need 20 paragraphs avoiding the question just a yes or no?
Too bad George. You insisting on a yes or no answer is a slimy tactic. Very few answers are 'yes' or 'no' since most situations in real life have qualifications.
And your exaggeration to claim I wrote 20 paragraphs is yet another example of spin.
I answered your question completely in the affirmative and provided details. Somehow that is insufficient for you?
Finally, you would have to be one of the rare few on this site who do not know that I am voting for Biden as a vote against Trump. I have stated this dozens of times on this site since even before it was clear that Trump would be the nominee (hypothetical at that point). So you are bending over backwards trying to get me to 'admit' to something that I have freely offered many times. Why is that?
I would suggest that we will vote for the more successful administration.
One that has broken more records than any previous ones and has us in a good place economically and still improving. World's best economy and leader in oil & gas production, etc.
FDR probably wasn't physically fit to hold the office for more than a term but put together a terrific team that restored confidence in the economy and won WWII on two fronts on opposite sides of the world.
Ditto, one can make a great case for Reagan but his Administration carried the water during the second administration and did the work that everyone remembers.
Biden is no different. I see no need to change from a stable Administration back to the chaos of the Trump Administration with the revolving "best minds" of his ATeam and Cabinets turning over 3 or 4 times at almost each position.
Yes he was horrible this last debate, but IMHO Trump was worse, no class or morals, just a bully with no respect for the office he aspires for, not to mention 01/06 or refusing to concede, taking Top Secret material home and refusing to return it, all of the potential future litigation?
Bush and Obama bombed their first debates too.
Using that rather dubious "logic", I expect you to tell anyone who is voting for Trump or Biden that all their comments about the other is rendered moot, but I suspect that will never happen, especially when dealing with a Biden voter
Am I right?
No doubt he'll be better In the September one.. Just a little more time and I'm sure he'll be better. /S
He was terrific at the State of the Union and at a rally Friday in NC.
Not sure why he was so bad Thursday night.
Under a lot of pressure?
No, Biden certainly doesn't appear mentally competent now, never mind 4 years from now.
Yes Georg, i'm too candid for my own good, but it seems you might be as well, as exampled by what i quoted. Also, your 'mentally challenged octogenarian' quote that i was agreeing with, is stating i believe Biden is certainly not unaffected by his many years and he is slipping, as we observe also with the liar in chief, the major differences being, one is a con-man thief beyond belief, and the other is a beginning to fade PATRIOT, who loves this country and what it stands for, more than his words can express. He has watched his family being put through hell because he became POTUS, and has chosen US, over even his only living sons freedom.
Could you see Trump doing this ? Trump has shown to basically have only three goals,one is to seek and try to get as much praise and flattery from a pathetic group of ass kissin FOOLS also known as the GOP, A second would be to obtain as much power and money that his lying cheating ass can possibly acquire via back door White Power House Deals {see Jared Kushner's 2 Billion dollar Saudi deal and any number of things his policies could do to cause incredible demand for, and thus, profits} and third, to keep his LYING FAT ASS, out of jail, cause that is where he would currently be if not for judges that disgrace our supposed separation of powers, religion, and politix me off much, but, that is what we currently face, and thus Y even a vastly slower Biden and loyal administration with very qualified staff, is far superior to the other mind failing often flailing in every direction Trump. The Trump that is basically in total support of the 2025 plan, blatantly asking for A billion dollars from Big Oil, is in love with lil Kim and the rootin tootin rudy toot Putin, that helped Putin office in 2016, as well as trying to illegally over through our free and elected election process, and this is on top of stealing some of our most highly regarded secrets and leaving them lay wherever, as he is already heard sharing them with non secure persons, you have to wonder what Trumps plane was doing right next to the Russian Diplomatic Jet on the tarmac, cause if Clinton and the AG Lerner had to be guilty , so must Trump, as he has proven to be.
There are my reasons for voting against Trump, what are yours ?
He had teleprompters at the State of the Union, I didn't see the Friday rally so cannot comment on that. But Thursday night all he was allowed per the rules was a pen, notepad and a bottle of water.
It was a very bad night for him. With all the early concern about his ability to mentally perform, all he had to do was be close to how he was at the State of the Union and the rest of the summer would have been a cake walk for him. But now after his performance, he really needs to resign. There are other issues if he does resign, but the country would be better off if he did. Almost anybody else the party could put up would be better, just don't put up Harris, Newsome or Whitmore.
You keep saying that. Aren't presidents supposed to be able to handle pressure?....
Ironic.
Dang it, now I have a queen song as an ear worm..
if u say so
My reason for voting against Trump doesn’t include the all the hyperbolic rhetoric, he is simply unfit to be president, Biden was a consistent public servant for his entire career with zero significant accomplishments and has lied as much as Trump over his 50 plus years of public service. But he is currently unfit to hold the office of President and I can’t in good conscience vote for someone who is completely unfit, so do to the fact that neither are qualified I will keep my integrity and vote for someone else.
So does that mean you will not vote in this election?
So you are ok with Trump being found guilty of cheating on his taxes, sexually assaulting women and then attacking them publicly, stealing top secret documents and then refusing to return them while also hiding them from the government who actually owns them. Trump also lied about having them and attempted to get his lawyer to lie as well. Are you one of the blinded sheep that did not see what Trump incited on January 6th, as Turtle Mc Connel man did state Trump was the cause of the riot on the Capital, and are you not aware of how he helped organize false electors in multiple states that were close ? Are you aware of how many of Trumps former lawyers, cabinet members, and associates have been indicted, with many found guilty and incarcerated , but Trump pardoned many just as he claims he wishes to do for the incarcerated from Jan 6th as well. How many of the persons formerly in Trumps administration have chosen to not endorse Trump as the do not feel he is fit for office. If you think that is more "hyperbolic rhetoric", you are being dishonest, with yourself.
The are several countries that will disagree with you; as well as the millions that died under Biden's watch from Covid. That is after Trump handed him the "vaccines" and therapeutics to combat it. So why did more people die under Biden's watch?
Which also went with the higher gas prices thanks to Biden's EO/EA's on fossil fuels; refusing to let oil companies develop on federal lands they purchased the mineral rights to; and stopping the development of the Keystone Pipeline. Draining the US Oil and Gas reserves and not replenishing them before elections if Biden's only way of controlling costs. What is he going to do if a real emergency breaks out; which the Oil and Gas reserves are meant to handle?
Biden should be thanking Trump for topping off the US Oil and Gas Reserves before leaving office. Otherwise he wouldn't have anything left to drain right now.
Just like with Obama, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. Democrats are great for the wealthiest Americans who buy into their BS, criminals, and illegal immigrants. The rest of us not so much.
It is Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine. It hasn't changed from when he was a Senator. Now he has a record to run on; but all Democrats have is that "He isn't Trump!"
oh, did i forget that little ole /s after my comment you rather thoroughly responded to...?
There are extreme measures that a POTUS can do, but neither Don nor Joe were that extreme. The pandemic dictated the course, and Biden handled the pandemic a HELL of a lot better than Trumpullthinskin ever would or could have or has, for the President has very little influence on inflation or the Stock Market.
And what two factors might have contributed to increased cases a nd deaths, ???
possibly the fact the World was shut down for months , as well as US in Trumps final year were in lock down, whereas under Biden, the shut down was opened and people again began to interact, thus spreading germs, and increasing infections and deaths. Stupid comparison as Trumps playdown of the virus's severity, and mixed messages, are what caused many many needless deaths.
Read the article, only one thing came to mind, from the frying pan, into the fire.....
I dunno, guys. Seems like we're arguing which represents fine dining, a sandwich made from bologna or spam and no condiments on either. One guy who thinks he can solve the world's problems by his mere existence and another who probably doesn't know what country he's President of. I'm finding it hard to get excited.
Our only choice is bologna or spam.
Gavin Newsom would beat Trump easily. He is charismatic and can communicate extremely well. Many think California is a failed state but Californians ask for what he has done there which is kind of how it works. He is a very successful businessman with a solid private sector record. If he enters, he will win.
How do you get Kamala to step aside? Democrats have been telling Americans for 4 years that she is qualified to be president. How are they now going to justify it without looking like they lied to the American people?
That is a minor, trivial, problem compared to replacing the top of the ticket. It would be a detail.
Replacing Biden at this late stage and winning the presidency would be an historic accomplishment.
With the help of a compliant media, the same way they have been telling us Joe is a-okay in the mental health way!
Lie through their teeth!
The Clinton's will figure out how to get rid of Kamala.
Only if Hillary is the nominee, I don’t see her expending any effort for Newsome at this point of her career.
It would be an interesting experiment. This has never been tried at the presidential level this late in the game.
But given the extreme and bizarre nature of our political environment, history is not going to be as great of a guide as it normally is.
About the only time I can think of is when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated that comes close.
Personally I doubt either party has a contingency plan dealing with this type of situation.
I am embarrassed by Thursday night. I find it shocking that this is the best America has to offer. Not a single intellectually intelligent response for 90 minutes.
I have been embarrassed for many years now. And it keeps getting worse.
I am confident the Ds have no contingency plan. They will be (are) scrambling. I just do not see how they can lose Biden this late in the game. Biden, short of an amazing turn of events, effectively lost the election with that debate performance.
Well I didn't watch the debate, and I am refraining from viewing it online, if it's as bad as even the Biden friendly media outlets say, I will pass.
A couple silver linings I can think of is most people had already made their choices before the debate, and it likely only cemented their choice.
Another possible silver lining I read about today was since the debate 27 m has been donated to the campaign, how it's going to be used is anyone's guess, they likely won't spend it trying to convince those that have chose ,that Biden can pull off another election win and make it another 4 years.
It was terrible.
Your saying the debate performance was terrible, I'll take your word and not waste my time.
You should be embarrassed about your comment about the Clintons.
Or were you being facetious?
im of a different opine. Now i feel compelled to watch the trainwreck
i found it amusing, since i've not heard of this poster
I think your last sentence is - I don't really have the words anymore - ridiculous
I'm so tired of this - he lost the election with the debate performance and similar comments
That is my humble opinion
I'm not attacking what you're saying - I just think it's ridiculous - this is all so tiresome
Glad I checked the RBR, no memes, I was going to post the Christian Bale one where he makes the face like he just watched someone do a wreckem and checkem to the groin, the face every guy makes seeing that.
Will that change your vote now?
I am picturing a Walter Cronkite moment
Imagine if he were around to say such a thing
The unshakable faithful would be getting a cold willy piss shiver.....
No, I do not KNOW that he will lose and Trump is not an option.
None knows who will win.
But your post saying Biden effectively lost the election tells me you THINK he will lose.
So me thinking who I vote for will lose is the same as you thinking who you vote for will lose.
No difference.
Donald Trump was asked about his inaction on the afternoon of Jan 6th and he tried to change the subject. I think he started out saying the border was secure on Jan6th and then tried to blame his dereliction of duty on Pelosi.
Do you seriously believe this traitor is fit for office?
Yes, Texan, that is exactly what my post says. I am concerned that Biden is now more likely to lose the election. I will be surprised if he wins.
That sure as hell does not make me want to vote for Trump. Makes me even more inclined to vote for Biden since he needs every vote he can get.
See?
Unbelievable
. You KNOW (we all KNOW ) that your vote will not result in a win. My vote has a chance since the candidate is still viable.
Yes, I know and responded to it.
I don't recall saying anything at all about you voting for Trump, so really no point arguing something I am not.
To me, it is inconsistent to challenge me constantly about my vote while voting for someone you believe will lose.
I thought he did a god job of giving the border the proper amount of attention a #1 voter concern deserved.
Really?
OK.
Consciousness of guilt.
Its amazing you think Biden is unfit but Trump is, but thats MAGA for you.
Equally amazing as you thinking Biden is fit.
Yes, Vic. Is this not obvious?
The race was tight prior to the debate. Biden's biggest negatives are age-related. In this debate, he needed to convince everyone that he is up for the job. His performance made him look worse than he really is (as evidenced by speeches, State of the Union, etc.).
But for people who have not made up their minds, they will be highly influenced by single data points and optics and this debate has horrible optics.
So, yes, Biden just substantially worsened his chances.
Again, how is this not obvious?
Hopefully, Biden will do whatever it takes to recover. Hopefully. I am, however, increasingly concerned that the only thing stopping Trump from gaining the powers of the presidency is Biden.
Why do you keep trying to get me to say I think trump is fit for office, when I have consistently told you I never have nor will I ever vote for him?
Since I'm not voting for him , it doesn't matter what I think because to me that simple act states I think he is unacceptable.
I had to think about your comment for a bit.
About the only way anyone's individual vote is actually going to matter, is if they are in any of the swing states, and in that case yes I think every votes going to matter no matter who they vote for.
I don't live in one of those swing states and I can predict who will win the popular vote in this state, I will remind people that's the only time popular vote matters , in state, to determine who gets the important EC delegates and votes.
The accrued popular vote nationally , doesn't count for shit and plays no role in who wins the presidency .
Some folks have not think in binary, yes, no.
I just saw in my news feed that Newsweek did a similar article as this one , only featuring Harris's chances.
If the party faithful are saying fuck me, no way to this one, if they read that one on Harris, they will be sounding like Ryan Reynolds in blade 3, saying fuck me sideways..I will add the with a pedal powered chainsaw being peddled by a methed out crackhead in a hurry.
I will let y'all deal with that mental picture on your own.
At times it seems as though some gave a preconceived idea that if you aren't cheerleading for Biden and knocking Trump with every breat, that makes you a Trump supporter no matter how many times you say you want neither, and people will claim you are lying.
I call that the Tom cruise on Oprah's couch syndrome
Newsom would be a terrible choice for democrats. Given what’s happened to California under his watch, why would he even be a consideration?
, why would he even be a consideration?
Family tradition, Hank jr had that one
So does that mean you will not vote in this election?