The Reaction to the Trump Assassination Attempt
After browsing this site and other social media for 24 hours, I can't say I'm surprised. Disappointed? Yes. For every honorable Democrat like Josh Shapiro focusing on the victims, we have 1,000 progressive posters on social media bemoaning the shooter's accuracy, claiming the shooting was staged by Trump, claiming it was staged by Putin to help Trump, mocking the death of the civilian fire chief as "good riddance" and now,naturally , blaming Trump for somehow inciting his own assassination.
That the people doing this took a 180 degree different approach when a Democrat has been attacked is the icing on the cake. Literally the exact same people who blame Sarah Palin for Gabby Giffords shooting because of a facebook post containing a bullseye are enraged that anyone could possibly believe Biden should be criticized for his own years of overheated rhetoric, including literally putting a bullseye on Trump a few days ago. The exact behavior that they wanted Palin put in jail for is ignored when one of their own does it. They'll even claim a "fire Pelosi" tweet led to a homeless man attacking her husband, but waive away years of Biden calling Trump a literal threat to democracy itself.
Hypocrisy isn't a strong enough word.
The sad part is nothing has changed. Anti-Trump Jonah Goldberg wrote this in 2011.
The Giffords shooting sent the media elite in this country into a bout of St. Vitus’s dance that would have warranted an army of exorcists in previous ages. Sarah Palin’s Facebook map was an evil totem that forced some guy to go on a shooting spree. The New York Times, the Washington Post, all three broadcast networks — particularly NBC whose senior foreign-affairs correspondent, Andrea Mitchell, devotes, by my rough reckoning, ten times as much air time to whining about Sarah Palin as she does about anything having to do with foreign affairs — flooded the zone with “Have you no shame” finger wagging. A memo went forth demanding that everyone at MSNBC get their dresses over their heads about the evil “tone” from the right. Media Matters went into overdrive working the interns 24/7 to “prove” that Republicans deliberately foment violence with their evil targets on their evil congressional maps.
Everyone “knew” the shooter was a tea partier. Except he wasn’t. He wasn’t even a conservative. He was a sick, demented, nutball. And it still didn’t matter! More bleating and caterwauling about the “tone” followed. More chin stroking and tut-tutting from Meet the Press roundtables and “very special segments” on the Today Show.
Finally, president Obama, our national-healer, gives a speech. It was a good speech. Indeed it was one of the first speeches in a long while that got anything like bipartisan support. Civility. New tone. No more martial metaphors. These were the takeaways.
So flashforward to this week. Tom Friedman — who knows a bit about Hezbollah — calls the tea partiers the “Hezbollah faction” of the GOP bent on taking the country on a “suicide mission.” All over the place, conservative Republicans are “hostage takers” and “terrorists,” “terrorists” and “traitors.” They want to “end life as we know it on this planet,” says Nancy Pelosi. They are betraying the Founders, too. Chris Matthews all but signs up for the “Make an Ass of Yourself” contest at the State Fair. Joe Nocera writes today that “the Tea Party Republicans can put aside their suicide vests.” Lord knows what Krugman and Olbermann have said.
Then last night, on the very day Gabby Giffords heroically returns to cast her first vote since that tragic attack seven months ago, the vice president of the United States calls the Republican party a bunch of terrorists.
Joe Biden may struggle to walk, talk and do anything but read what's given to him, but the core person remains the same. Way before Trump became the "threat to democracy", Biden was telling blacks Romney was going to enslave them, and called the Republican Party "terrorists" because of John Fucking Boehner a week after his boss called for civility. He is, and always has been a bomb thrower who attacks his opponents in the most hysterical of terms because it works with his base.
As the last 24 hours have shown, the majority of progressives don't care about political violence. They don't care about extreme rhetoric. All they care about are talking points they can use to demonize non Democrats. They'll try and prosecute someone for the exact same behavior they'll ignore when it's their team doing it.
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Congressional aides, government employees, journalists and great swaths of online democrats are publicly bemoaning a shooter failing to kill a Presidential candidate. When they aren't doing that they are engaged in crazy ass conspiracies because Trump was just too brave and responded to well to the shooting.
If you ever want to talk about a threat to democracy..
You need look no further than Donald Trump. Just because the asshole was shot at does not absolve him of his traitorous actions.
What does Trump have to do with Democrats making up conspiracies and celebrating the shooting of a Presidential candidate?
There is the intolerant over the top rhetoric we have come to know and loath Democrats and leftists for.
Trump hasn't been convicted of treason. He isn't even charged with it. Why don't you ask Smith why he isn't charging Trump with treason? Smith is a pit bull that loves overcharging people with treason. Hell, they aren't even charging Trump with insurrection.
But carry on with the rhetoric. Maybe it will influence another nutjob with better aim to try.
I did not say he was charged with treason. I called him a traitor. He violated his oath of office and the spirit and letter of the constitution. He did indeed try to get around the constitution and remain in power though he lost a free and fair election. These are established facts.
Who exactly is the Presidential candidate you are talking about? You cannot talk about an assassination attempt without a person to assassinate.
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How is he a threat to democracy?
He has tried to subvert the will of the people. He should have gone away when he was defeated the first time. Instead he chose to lie continually about winning the election, he chose to tell the Proud Boys to Stand back and stand by. He chose to tell his supporters to come to Washington on January 6th. He chooses to continue to deny the results of the 2020 election. He has pledged to Pardon the January 6th Rioters, in effect signalling that he would do the same for future criminal activity done to help him. He has been granted absolute immunity for not yet defined actions. These and many, many more are the reasons that he is a threat to democracy as well as a horrible person.
You can believe otherwise if you wish, but that still will not make your opinions any closer to factual.Through his own actions he has brought all of the legal attention from the DOJ, though he lies about that and claims to be persecuted instead of prosecuted with due process.
You may be right. What if he gets in again and decides to weaponize alphabet agencies? And use those same agencies to suppress negative info about him or his family and go after, or spy on his political opponents? Yeah, that’d be bad. He may even stoop so low as to buy a fake dossier that smears his political opponents, and if that doesn’t work he’ll try to throw them in prison. And i’m sure there are other things he can do that i’m not thinking of right now. Yep, i can see how one would worry that those kind of actions can put an end to our democracy.
Trump has promised to do all of those things.
And I know that you are trying to be coy and insinuate that Biden is doing those things. You are wrong in that belief.
Dems and biden have done the actions i listed. I see them as more of a threat to this country than trump.
No, they have not. But you keep right on believing that delusional pile of shit that is your soon to be nominee.
So the fbi didn’t state the laptop was Russian propaganda? 51 intelligence agency officials didn’t sign a letter stating the laptop was Russian propaganda? Obama’s doj didn’t allow a faulty fisa warrant to spy on a political opponents campaign? Clinton’s campaign didn’t purchase the Steele dossier from a foreign spy to use against trump? Dems didn’t use that fake dossier to try to impeach him? And they knew it was fake. Alvin Bragg didn’t use criminal charges that no one has ever been charged with to try to put trump in prison? Then hochul didn’t say to other businesses in ny “hey don’t worry we won’t use those charges on you”. Yeah, dems are the biggest threat to democracy this country faces. Your definition of delusional is,,,,,,delusional.
So you're the one that believes every single piece of far-right wing propaganda that has ever come down the brown stained fascist pike.
The Michael brown had his hands up and said “don’t shoot” crowd has only gotten louder and more aggressive in denying reality.
The PD&D+delusion is pathological
Lol
I see people complaining about the problems with security by the Secret Service. Big question in my mind is why did they contract to the local police department to have them doing a job the SS should have been wholly responsible for themselves? If that is the case the ball got dropped big time by the SS and Mayorkas as well.
Yeah, that's a whole other ball of wax. That the SS didn't have an elevated area with a clear line of sight that close to the stage secure is negligence of the highest order. People need to resign/lose their jobs for the security lapse.
I do believe that local police are always involved in these types of events. Look at the number of NYPD who are outside of Trump Towers every day. The Secret Service is the lead agency which runs the show but local police are included as they know the area.
With that said, how they left an unsecured building within 200 yards of the stage seems to me like a big issue. I have no doubt that there will be a huge investigation into this and while I don't know if anybody will be fired I do expect there will be some reassignments as a result.
A shooter getting aimed shots off inside 150 yards?
That ….. is a huge fuck up.
You should really wait for all the facts to come in.
Who do you think shot the shooter?
A Counter Sniper Team on a peaked roof top higher than the would be assassin.
You know that doesn’t contradict what I wrote, at all, right?
But by all means run with your argument that secure means letting a shooter take position and take aimed shots from 150 yards away.
Lol.
More facts:
the secret service knew the building was an issue but
Biden talked to “him” though, so it’s all good.
yup , they knew it , it likely came down to a staffing and manpower issue in how things were done .
they had a finite number of agents and only got a finite number of outside personnel from supporting agencies be they state county and local .
things were just not covered as well as they thought they were ,
Yeah, staffing problems and allocation (Jill Biden had more frontline agents on the same day than Trump) will likely be a major part of the investigation.
But they had the staff to put in the building to "secure" it, but didn't want to put anyone on the roof with a direct line of sight to the stage because the roof was "dangerous."
That's unbelievable to me.
WTF are you talking about, Biden talked to who? You use the Daily Mail as a source? For anything? It's tabloid trash.
But what they are saying is all the truth, just ask them. They will defend their truth until the very bitter end.
Anyone that has the temerity to call them out is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, MAGA insurrectionist out to destroy the Constitution and overthrow the government.
Saw someone refer to the assassination attempt as Republican's civil war- because the shooter is a registered Republican- even though he gave money to Democrat PACs. Like good Republicans do. They aren't even going to wait until his social media posts, web browser history, and other information comes out. They have their marching orders. Republican civil war; Trump false flag; Putin false flag; and Democrat and leftist media rhetoric not responsible.
It's so transparent and played out at this point.
Republican does A= Worst thing ever, put him in jail
Democrat does A=Who cares? totally justified.
It's something to watch people who lack any principle simply grasp any convenient fact/argument to hang onto to get through a news cycle and then seem them discard it and argue the exact opposite as soon as its convenient.
even though he gave money to Democrat PACs
Why do you embellish the truth so severely? It was a one time $15 donation from a 17 year old that was earmarked for a getting out the vote initiative. The fact that he registered himself as a Republican and comes from a family with a Trump sign in their yard is far more intriguing.
He's a Democratic donor who tried to kill Trump. You understand that, right?
You understand that he was a 17 year old pimply faced loner from a Republican family when he made a political donation, then went on to register himself as a Republican, and then tried to kill Trump, right?
I cannot believe, well of course I can, that people focus on $15, just like Judge Merchan, like that makes them a Democrat.
JFC
FFS
Did your parents control your beliefs? I don’t know if you know this or not, but teenagers and young adults famously tend to rebel against their parents beliefs.
Again, he donated his own money to a progressive activist group and shot trump , the head of the Republican Party.
he donated 15 dollars in response to an email solicitation. That makes him a leftist? LOL. 17 year old kids dont know what they are. If he was a "leftist" willing to kill for his political beliefs there would be some evidence of it.
at this time , you have no case. zero. If the FBI can ever divine his motive then it will be what it is. right now it is nothing.
Do you give money to right wing activist groups John?
and by the way, it is extremely unlikely that he shot Trump because Biden said "bullseye". In truth, that idea is crazy. The "bullseye" story was not in the news until after.
If he gave a thousand dollars to antifa or Ilhan Omar you might have a point.
Right now you have none.
Maybe he donated 15 dollars on a whim, and anyway that was before he registered as a Republican. One could just as easily argue that something made him conservatibve.
Exactly, maybe he was embarrassed to mark Dem when he registered or maybe Trump wasn't right wing enough to suit him. Another possibility is that his motivation wasn't politically based he just want to get a celebrity for his suicide by cop and Trump was conveniently near by.
yep. Its also possible he went through with it because his father had an AR-15 in his arsenal, and Trump was going to be in the area. For all we know if Biden was on that stage he might have shot at Biden.
Another possibility is that his motivation wasn't politically based he just want to get a celebrity for his suicide by cop and Trump was conveniently near by.
Yes. Please relay that to Sean, since he thinks the political motivations are plain to see.
Or just maybe, as stated here yesterday, he registered Republican so he could vote in the primary against Trump
"It's time to put trump in the bullseye" was indeed the statement President Biden made but it was a statement - no pictures involved - there was word somewhere that a picture of trump was provided with a bullseye on his back - that is false.
when he registered as a Republican Trump wasnt running yet and the primary was 2 1/2 years away. in other words your explanation is far fetched.
Could swear when reading about the person , the article i read specifically mentioned his parents political registrations as well, his fathers as Libertarian, and his mothers as Democrat .
with his being registered as republican , i would say thats a pretty mixed household , politically speaking .
They have exposed themselves to the country as they hate-filled degenerates they are.
Decent people already knew and there was plenty to enlighten us.
2 fraudulent investigations
2 fraudulent impeachments
Lawfare
7 years of lies and smears
and 4 years of resistance.
all bullshit
So, did it amount to getting rid of Trump or putting him in jail? No charges of convictions on insurrection or treason, and questionable verdicts on a decade's old sexual harassment charge, and misdemeanor bookkeeping errors.
To most leftists, the bookkeeping and decades old sexual harassment is enough to have him put to death. They almost got their wish, and many of them are complaining on x that the POS missed.
I dont think anyone is surprised.
Donald Trump is not morally, ethically, psychologically or mentally fit to be president of the United States. He is a pathological liar, he is a cheat, he is a crook, he is a bigot, and he is a moron. Oh, one more, he is a traitor who tried to steal the last presidential election.
Now the cult wants him to get a "second chance". It is nuts.
And another thing, he’s the luckiest candidate ever.
Perhaps some people think that carries more weight than him being a traitor. I dont.
Beating Hillary yet not winning the most votes was lucky...
Trump has never won the popular vote or polled over 50%!
Exactly, luckiest candidate ever.
That's one person's opinion.
What were the results of that genuine judge and jury trial that found him guilty of treason and election stealing? Oh that's right, there wasn't one! Only the typical hard core leftist liberal kangaroo courts of public opinion that believe so.
That's millions of people's opinion.
But maybe not enough in the swing states.
Opinions nonetheless.
As I am absolutely certain you are aware but choose to ignore, popular vote does not elect presidents in this country but you and others here insist on throwing that ridiculous BS out there.
(hehehehehehe, ) if im smiling im thinking of doing something naughty , if im laughing , i already did it .
just looked it up .
to win the presidency take 270 votes in the EC .
270 out of a possible 535 = 50.4672897 %
I will just leave that there to ruminate .
And I expect them to keep trying.
This is the heart of your argument and it is nonsense.
Truth be told what happened to Trump is more a rough approximation of karma than anything else.
Trump said there would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected. Please explain to me why that is not exactly as bad as Biden saying "bulls eye."
You blamed Palin for Gifford's shooting because of a fakebook post despite the shooting having nothing to do with politics. By all means, explain how that reasoning doesn't apply to Biden using the exact same symbol for the exact same purpose.
The massive, overwhelming hypocrisy of democrats about rhetoric is the heart of my argument, and you haven't even tried to rebut it. Simply claiming Trump deserved it only makes my point for me.
You lose this argument, although no doubt you will stagger on.
Trump asked his followers to come to DC on Jan 6 and promised "it will be wild". If that isnt promoting violence I dont know.
The right makes literally endless excuses for Trump who has pussyfooted with violence for 9 years.
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Trying to compare "it will be wild"to "put him in a bullseye"? That is ridiculous, even for you.
Why do you keep saying I treated Palin some way? You have no idea.
Last chance. Tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than "bloodbath" . This is the third time I asked you I think.
Yeah they do...
peaceful protests are not "wild".
Sean cant answer, so you tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than Trump saying there will be a bloodbath if he loses the election.
You've been answered, you're just trolling now.
I never said anything about Palin and I don't recall you asking me any questions
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Wild does not equal violence by any stretch of the imagination other than for people that really really really want it to
Did I say it was?
He never said any words inciting them to stage a riot. That's all in your confused imagination.
Thomas Matthew Crooks, Trump rally shooting suspect, described as quiet by Bethel Park classmates (inquirer.com)
FBI investigators found materials for two explosive devices in Crooks’ car, according to the New York Times . Police on Sunday restricted public access to the gunman’s home in Bethel Park, nestled in a middle-class suburb eight miles south of Pittsburgh.
The slight traces of public information Crooks left behind leave few clues about his political ideology.
Federal campaign finance records show he made a $15 donation to progressive political action committee in 2021 after President Joe Biden ’s election, but later registered as a Republican, according to Pennsylvania voter data. His father was a registered Libertarian, his mother a Democrat.
Crooks’ body was found on the rooftop of an agricultural tool manufacturing plant a few hundred feet from the rally with an AR-style semiautomatic rifle — legally purchased by his father. The shooter was wearing a T-shirt promoting “The Demolition Ranch,” a YouTube channel for gun enthusiasts.
If Crooks maintained any personal social media presence, it went largely undetected on Sunday. Discord, an instant messaging platform mainly used by video gamers, released a statement acknowledging Crooks held a “rarely utilized” account that contained no information relevant to the shooting.
Sigafoos did not recall Crooks making political overtures in class, but rather as someone interested in how government works, and “not trying to insert his own beliefs into it.”
Another former classmate did not share this view.
Max R. Smith recalled taking an American history course with Crooks as a sophomore. He did recall Crooks making political statements — but they shed no light on his actions Saturday.
“He definitely was conservative,” he said. “It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”
Smith recalled a mock debate in which their history professor posed government policy questions and asked students to stand on one side of the classroom or the other to signal their support or opposition for a given proposal.
“The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other.”
The former classmate also recalled Crooks as generally kind and intelligent, if reserved.
“Everybody is in shock,” Smith said. “He was so quiet, I wouldn’t imagine him doing that. But I guess that was the same deal with Columbine.”
“Shocked would be an understatement,” Sigafoos added. “None of my friends can fathom that a dude we knew would try and kill Trump.”
The larger font emphasizes the importance. Perhaps the shooter wanted a real right winger, not a REINO.
Joe asked us not to make assumptions but to let the FBI do its investigative work.
Tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than "bloodbath"
And stop trying to incorporate the words “what about” and “hypocrisy” into an answer.
Ah, there it is, I knew I seen it somewhere. This kid was being bullied by his classmates who, apparently, were liberal and his standing alone on the other side doesn't automatically make him conservative just that he is standing in defiance of his classmates.
So you are saying Biden hasn't called Trump and MAGA a threat to Democracy and our country multiple times? That Democrats and their media sycophants haven't been calling for Trump to be stopped by any means openly and loudly? Good to know- you had better remind the Biden FBI and CIA to scrub the internet clean of every last record of leftists doing just that. It could take them years to find every last reference and link- so they had better get started now.
So it will be karma also if it happens to any Democrat that has been using over the top rhetoric about Trump and MAGA?
For fuck's sake. Can you even quote Trump accurately just once?
So a bloodbath for the US auto industry and the rest of the country economically.
Surprised that your not more upset about this line seeing how you always take Trump out of context. Thought you would be harping on it being Trump trying to overthrow the government- instead of what he meant is Democrats taking over and having 1 party rule. The self same Democrats that were very close to federalizing all election laws; and packing the Supreme Court so that it would always rule their way.
I didn't realize how badly he took that out of context. That's even worse than the very fine people lie.
As I told you previously, bloodbath has dual meanings, AS DOES BULLSEYE.
Do you seriously believe Biden used the word bullseye in the context of advocating someone should shoot Trump. This is all beyond ridiculous. Bidens "context " was turning attention away from his age and back to Trumps unfitness for office.
Did you not understand Palin was using a "dual meaning?" when she posted her facebook map.
Crazy how the same people who blamed Palin suddenly discovered "dual meanings" after making her target a national scandal and the basis for calls for her to be arrested. You get that if you and other Democrats didn't attack and blame Palin for the bullseye, no one would be focusing on Biden's use of it, right?
You keep making my point for me just reinforcing how hypocritical democrats are. Thank you.
Do you seriously believe Biden used the word bullseye in the context of advocating someone should shoot Trum
Of course not. Why did Democrats claim to believe Palin did? That's the point John. Anyone who believed Palin was advocating the shooting of Giffords, if they are honest people with integrity, should also believe Biden advocated the shooting of Trump.
Those are the rules Democrats established. They can't have it both ways.
No and I don’t believe Pallin did either but that didn’t stop that accusations.
That would probably carry a little more weight if some Democrats hadn't been actively trying to strip him of his Secret Service detail not too long ago. Thank God they weren't able to.
Palin said 'in the crosshairs' not bullseye - she never said bullseye
Prove it
That's a clever post.
Prove what?
They usually are as opposed to yours
Just as I thought - the alleged attempt to remove his ss detail
At least try...
Look back at your own posts. You were pretty vocal that they should when some dems said they should.
You didn't tell anyone shit.
You have been harping endlessly on Trump's use of the term "bloodbath" and posted several articles from leftist sources stating he intended to start one if he lost.
I gave the real damn quote and proved that full of shit.
As for Biden. He has called Trump and MAGA a threat to the country multiple times; has threatened to us military force against them multiple times; and since leftists didn't cut Palin any slack- Biden doesn't get any either. The shooter received Biden's message loud and clear.
Another load of crap. Biden used "bullseye" in the context of getting attention off of his age and back on Trump's unfitness for office. His context is no worse than Trump's "bloodbath" context.
Why should a convicted felon get the detail? He's an alleged billionaire and should pay for it hiimself
They are.
That comment is extremist bullshit.
It's good to know you can hear what was going on inside the shooter's brain.
That's what I thought
Can't you put 2 and 2 together? The post I was responding to should give you the answer.
When did Biden try to do so?
As usual, you provided no proof that this was done by President Biden.
Same difference.
as of today, mon , there are at least 3 news agencies reporting an interview with Mr Biden , quoting him as saying it was a mistake to use the term bullseye on his back .
even the big guy say he shouldnt have done it .
Well played Joe. Credit where credit is due. Trump would never admit such a thing.
snopes even weighed in on the rumor it was teleprompter glass that hit trump, they determined that is false ......
I never said he should have done it. I said it was no worse than Trump promising a bloodbath if he loses.
I think i will take his somewhat mea culpa , at face value , its pretty straight forward and spin free.
refreshing for a change if i do say so myself .
but not enough to get me to change my mind and vote for him .
Since context doesn't seem to matter let's take it to a more basic level, do you see anywhere in that statement where he mentions his opposition? Party or individuals.
You keep trying to equate them and that's ridiculous.
For the final time. Bloodbath has multiple meanings AND bullseye has multiple meanings. When Trump made his comment we heard endless explanation that he ddnt mean a literal bloodbath. Same goes for what Biden said. The context was taking the spotlight off of his age and putting it on Trump again.
He probably should have said spotlight instead of bullseye, but the context is clear. He wasnt suggesting violence.
So context matters with what Biden said but not Trump? Still doesn't answer the question though.
Yes and Trump should have probably said economic wasteland. He wasn't suggesting violence.
Can't let the rhetoric die for a second can you?
Coming from you that is laughable.
Not so subtle threat from Biden there. He didn't state that once; but a couple of times in speeches.
I can project just as well as Democrats/leftists. Palin wasn't cut any slack- why should Biden be?
No. It's not.
What's the full context around this? It's out there, easy to find.
This is a problem that BOTH FUCKING SIDES partake in. Cherry pick part of a statement and hammer the other side with it. This rhetoric with violence has been getting worse and worse since Reagen and IMO it's kind of surprising to me that such an event hasn't happened before. Unless ALL PARTIES (politicians and we the people) dial back this kind of bullshit...
Trump uses violent rhetoric. Everyone in this country knows that. People should stop with this idiotic line of argument.
What is the full context of what Biden said?
Yes, but he didn’t get shot at, that’s the campaign difference, don’t you see.
So do other politicians, including both Republicans and Democrats and Independents. How many times in this election cycle have Democrats (including Biden among others) come out and compared Trump to Hitler, or called him and his followers fascists? Or said that Trump is a direct threat to democracy? This continued usage of violence needs to end.
Don't deflect away from what you were saying which my comment is a direct reply to.
"Poisoning the blood of our nation" is an echo of Hitler's Germany. What do you want people to do, say its not?
Maybe Trump should stop saying things like that and then people wont call him a Nazi.
Calling citizens that support the other guy enemies of the people isn't?
Oh no, he uses words that have dual meanings, just like Joe. So if you are going to have an issue when one guy does it you should have an issue when the other guy does it. Unless of course integrity is not important.
You mean like Pelosi telling people to get in the faces of the opposition?
Or Biden telling the public he would take Trump behind the shed?
Give it a break already.
You have become quite the apologist for Trump and MAGA.
And you ignore the Democrats (again and again):
The denial present in your comments here regarding Trump is palpable.
Based on that, no way you can make a reasonable judgement in this case.
No way!
I'd settle for you and your friends here making substantive comments on this forum.
It's laughable that you think you are in any position to make that comment.
One persons substantive is another’s bullshit. Especially in this place.
I’d settle for people just not having rabidly partisan views in this forum but I stopped holding my breath for that a long long time ago
Your usual hive minded drone nonsense
Comments like that just reinforce the righteous the comments they are responding to. Thx!
opinions vary
You’re learning, slow but sure but more slow …..
You first.
"Truth be told what happened to Trump is more a close aporoximation of karma than anything else."
So does this mean you think what happened to Trump was justified as karma?
God forbid when the next attempt is made and perhaps Biden is the target - I wonder if the liberal left will be so callous in their feeling about the attepted assassination.
It is not a matter of "callous".
Trump is not a martyr, he's not a hero, he's someone who is lucky to be alive today. Good for him.
Nothing to do with his fitness for office, which doesnt exist, even after he was shot at.
John
Keep telling yourself that - I have been following the articles and reading the comments a couple expressed disappointment that President Trump was alright after the shooting.
This is hatred and it has no place in our country.
I don't want Trump or Biden to be president going forward, but I do not want either of them killed and think that anyone who is not thankful that Trump is okay and the emocratic process will play out as it plays out is the problem with our country.
Truth.
I do not want Trump to be assassinated or die a violent death. But if he has a grabber and collapses and doesnt wake up I wont be shedding a tear or losing any sleep.
Yea, it really is, plain and simple.
Spot on!
That makes you MAGA around here. ....
How about telling that to the Proud Boys, the Large Marge's, the Skinheads, the Oath Keepers and even to the people you converse with. And I'm not talking aboout John
Why don 't we start with the Democrats and the left.
Now, the question is, are you willfully ignoring this or just that oblivious to what's going on?
Now it could be said the shooter was incited by these statements.
Antifa?
them, too
Yo noticed that too.
I don't see anti-fa as a problem. What does anyone hear from them nowadays?
They were fine until they turned violent. But they've been pretty quiet for the last few years
Agreed, I don't defend violence in any forms - but yeah, you don't hear much from them nowadays, if anything.
If God were involved we wouldn't have these candidates.
I am an atheist; but don't blame god for these candidates.
"God helps those who help themselves." Or so I have been told by my religious friends.
Blame our two party Establishment system that limits the candidate field. You can choose Democrat or Republican- anything else and you are wasting your vote.
Pick the lesser of two evils. The Establishment doesn't give a shit. The parties are just opposite sides of the same coin. Heads the Establishment wins; and tails we lose.
Trump must really piss the Establishment off. Outsiders aren't supposed to be able to hijack the Establishment parties.
God’s plan is not the same as many liberal plans these days. He’s not going to pick and chose based on what he thinks is acceptable. God gives man complete freedom of choice. Therefore, we have Biden and Trump. Choices made by man.
Pretty sure God didn’t vote for either
God better not vote. He is not eligible...
That’s good because he’s usually too busy hitting the shit out of a two iron to be bothered
I do not claim to know what I do not know. I am agnostic with atheist tendencies. I probably should have added a sarcasm tag to that post.
Believe it or not, I am with you on that sentiment. Over time, the two parties have made up rules to entrench their hold on power.
I once saw a bumper sticker that read "Under Republicans, Man Oppresses Man. Under Democrats, it's Just the Opposite"
I don't know about the establishment, but he pisses me off for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which is his antipathy, or maybe it is ambivalence, towards the Constitution
I can agree with on just about everything.
Except the last portion. Democrats piss me off with how they twist the Constitution and rule of law. Trump used to be a Democrat; so he tries to pull the same shit. Don't worry Republicans are trying hard to catch up; they are just slow learners who are bound in tradition.
I'm not callous about this attempt. I'd rather he just lose another election, not his life.
but if you think the left is callous now see what happens if there's an attempt on Biden's life.
Morning..geez if you can say that..
Just a few things I am confused about which is not hard to do at times..as Devangy would say we are up side down..
Now what is a registered Republican?? Do you actually register with a political party or something so you can then vote? Or am I reading that wrong?
And what is it with mainly middle aged women who appear to be Republican screaming at the camera we are going to fight. We are going to fight and we will win?? Huh?? Fight what??
You roll up and vote in November..yeessh and it is not even compulsory..not hard to do I wouldn't have thought so what is there to fight about?? Or am I missing something..
And no God was not involved..it was not divine intervention...it was a gunman who was a crook shot (no pun intended) who got kicked off the rifle club team because of that..
The biggest tragedy is the poor guy who lost his life.. hardly rates a mention...and I feel for the gunman's family...their lives along with the soul that died will never be the same again..
G’day Shona,
Not required.
In fact I suspect most, like myself, have never been registered to either party. Which is only problematic in my area because they want you to be affiliated with a party to be a poll watcher. Which sucks to be me.
Morning Sparts..so if you aren't registered to a particular party can you still vote?
The process here is.
Soon as you turn 18 the registration forms are sent out by the government.. voting is compulsory here..
You fill them out name, address etc and post them back..the next election your name then appears on the register and you vote..if you don't then you will be fined...
There is no party affiliation when registering what so ever and you vote for who ever you wish too etc..
Yes you can in Michigan. Pretty sure it’s the same in most other states. Now in the Primary (this august) they traditionally don’t let you split your ticket. Vote for Dems, Reps and others, which I have never liked. But in the main election (this November) you can vote for whoever you want
Some states require you to register as a party member to vote in that party's primary election. For instance, I am a registered Democrat because their local primaries were more interesting to me than the Republican ones. As an example, the county where trump was shot is heavily Republican, making general elections non that competitive. A liberal can register as a Republican to influence the choice of who will end up winning by voting in the Republican primary. Registration doesn't make a difference how you vote in the actual general election and voters don't need to register with any party to participate in that.
So you have a system where millions of people are "registered" as a member of the party they rarely, if ever, vote for in general elections.
Morning Sean..
Thanks for that..hmm I guess that to me is a strange way to do it but every country is different..
No one knows who votes what here and I think I prefer that..from the Government to the neighbours and that is the way I like it..
Shona, this will sound odd to you, but yes people do register with parties political.
Much of it stems from the state level , not all states allow people to vote in primaries across the board.
In order to vote in a states Dem or rep party primaries , one must be registered with that party they intend to vote for. Thing is come the general election, they can and many do vote for candidates outside their claimed party, it drives those party purists absolutely batshit crazy.
States like that are known as closed primary states, reason most that do that do it is to keep others from choosing their party candidate, that can be defeated. Doesn't work in my opinion.
Personally since I started voting in 1980, I have registered as a republican , democrat and independent, and switched over and up a couple times. For me it was more a matter of WHO was running , rather than party politics and policy.
Morning Mark..to be honest your whole political system sounds complicated and rather overwhelming..
Not to mention all the States you have plus the cost of it all..and then it still doesn't seem to work as there are always ructions and dramas...
Here the designated day is announced usually a couple of months ahead....no primaries, secondaries or anything else.
You have the two main parties and their leaders, plus independents etc..nothing changes campaigns start..then three days before the election there is a complete media black out no adds etc for the parties.. that is always a blessing..
Roll up on polling day always a Saturday, vote, we still use paper ballots and pencil..the results are usually in by midnight.. everyone packs up goes home..
If there is a change of government you wake up Sunday morning and no one blinks an eye and everything is normal again...no fights, dramas, its all rather mundane actually..but it works for us..
LoL, I can see how it appears that way , it's like me keeping other countries parties straight and knowing how they lean compared to parties here.
Way I look at it , here we have two major parties so at the national level we have two mob bosses run by committee., 50 states each with their own two set of local mob bosses in charge of state committees, then you have the lowest level and rank the local precincts. Local level helps make up the state, state helps make up the national.
All party pols start usually locally or with some kind of referral from state or national connections.
When it comes to the voting , it's actually easier than it sounds .
Primaries are run off races to see who will be facing off in the general, and primaries can have numerous candidates .
General the field is usually down to two maybe a third candidate, depends on third parties , but generally the race is just two.
Except for the office of the president and vice president, whomever gets the majority of the votes in the state is the winning candidate.
I think I need a Panadol..🤣
lol
It depends on the state, shona. Some states have what are called "closed" primary elections, where only registered party members can vote to decide who will be that party's nominee for the general election.
Some states have "open" primaries, where anybody can vote in the primary, regardless of party.
By tomorrow CNN will be reporting this as a mostly pieceful assassination attempt.
lol, mine was “fuck, we were 2 inches away from being one down, one to go.”
Yes - leave it
Keep that sense of humor, it’s healthy.
Is it though?
Trump and Biden asked for unity so I’m trying to do my part.
It is. If they both fucked off we could have a national reset. But Trump narrowly (sadly) avoided having his brains blown out, so he is still there, and Biden hasn’t died from… well anything yet, so he is still there.
neither candidate cares about what is best for the country, if they did the would both drop out. We are still stuck with candidates 70% of the people don’t want but have to vote for one way or the other and be pissed off about it. Ffs, if Trump is elected he will be the oldest president ever elected…
and he is the “young” guy.
I don't think there's any chance of that.
Careful, that might be construed as death wishing....
Sure that's the way it looks like it's gonna be. You're wrong though, if Biden is elected he'll be the oldest president ever elected......
If either of them is elected, they will be the oldest .
Biden is going to lose, no question about it and it is because the democrats didn’t listen to me in 2016, and they aren’t now. It is all about popularity. Policies, positions, experience etc. doesn’t matter. Popularity is the winner. If you can have a candidate that is SLIGTLY more likable than the other one, you win.
Trump is not likable, he is an awful human being, all the Dems need to do is run a candidate that is not 100 years old and is kinda personable, and they win. But they are too stupid to do that.
So who would you like to see as the candidate?
Larry Hogan and Laura Kelly.
they are both moderate governors who have had to reach across the aisle for success. They were not brought into power by extremists and will not be ruled by them. Far as I can tell they have kept their aheads above the bullshit, and don’t seem to be total pieces of shit.
Sure, what's a few years and a couple of aneurysms?..
Not at all. The Dems just run candidates more unpopular.
That's probably cause they don't listen to you......
You aren’t wrong… Bernie would have easily won in 2016.
LOL, sure.
He would have. He was more popular than both, had a very similar message to Trump, but was t an asshole about it. And there was a lot of independent excitement around sanders.
Lol, that’s just crazy talk. Sanders is a Socialist and Trump a Capitalist. Enough said.
I don't trust Hogan.
Biden is going to lose, no question about it
Hope you like the gamey taste of crow.
I'm expecting Trump to shoot himself in the foot.
I hope that is not taken as a death threat.
He has something in common with cackles then.