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The Reaction to the Trump Assassination Attempt

  
By:  Sean Treacy  •  Op-Ed  •  5 months ago  •  218 comments

The Reaction to the Trump  Assassination Attempt

After browsing this site and other social media for 24 hours, I can't say I'm surprised.  Disappointed? Yes. For every honorable Democrat like Josh Shapiro focusing on the victims, we have 1,000 progressive posters on social media bemoaning the shooter's accuracy, claiming the shooting was staged by Trump, claiming it was staged by Putin to help Trump, mocking the death of the civilian fire chief as "good riddance" and now,naturally , blaming Trump for somehow inciting his own assassination. 

That the people doing this took a 180 degree different approach  when a Democrat has been attacked is the icing on the cake.  Literally the exact same people who blame Sarah Palin for Gabby Giffords shooting because of a facebook post containing a bullseye are enraged that anyone could possibly believe Biden should be criticized for his own years of overheated rhetoric, including literally putting a bullseye on Trump a few days ago. The exact behavior that they wanted Palin put in jail for is ignored when one of their own  does it.  They'll even  claim a "fire Pelosi" tweet led to a homeless man attacking her husband, but waive away years of Biden calling Trump a literal threat to democracy itself. 

Hypocrisy isn't a strong enough word.

The sad part is nothing has changed. Anti-Trump Jonah Goldberg wrote this in 2011.


The Giffords shooting sent the media elite in this country into a bout of St. Vitus’s dance that would have warranted an army of exorcists in previous ages. Sarah Palin’s Facebook map was an evil totem that forced some guy to go on a shooting spree. The New York Times, the Washington Post, all three broadcast networks — particularly NBC whose senior foreign-affairs correspondent, Andrea Mitchell, devotes, by my rough reckoning, ten times as much air time to whining about Sarah Palin as she does about anything having to do with foreign affairs — flooded the zone with “Have you no shame” finger wagging. A memo went forth demanding that everyone at MSNBC get their dresses over their heads about the evil “tone” from the right. Media Matters went into overdrive working the interns 24/7 to “prove” that Republicans deliberately foment violence with their evil targets on their evil congressional maps. 

Everyone “knew” the shooter was a tea partier. Except he wasn’t. He wasn’t even a conservative. He was a sick, demented, nutball. And it still didn’t matter! More bleating and caterwauling about the “tone” followed. More chin stroking and tut-tutting from Meet the Press roundtables and “very special segments” on the Today Show

Finally, president Obama, our national-healer, gives a speech. It was a good speech. Indeed it was one of the first speeches in a long while that got anything like bipartisan support. Civility. New tone. No more martial metaphors. These were the takeaways.

So flashforward to this week. Tom Friedman — who knows a bit about Hezbollah — calls the tea partiers the “Hezbollah faction” of the GOP bent on taking the country on a “suicide mission.” All over the place, conservative Republicans are “hostage takers” and “terrorists,” “terrorists” and “traitors.” They want to “end life as we know it on this planet,” says Nancy Pelosi. They are betraying the Founders, too. Chris Matthews all but signs up for the “Make an Ass of Yourself” contest at the State Fair. Joe Nocera writes today that “the Tea Party Republicans can put aside their suicide vests.” Lord knows what Krugman and Olbermann have said.

Then last night, on the very day Gabby Giffords heroically returns to cast her first vote since that tragic attack seven months ago, the vice president of the United States calls the Republican party a bunch of terrorists.

Joe Biden may struggle to walk, talk and do anything but read what's given to him, but the core person remains the same. Way before Trump became the "threat to democracy", Biden was telling blacks Romney was going to enslave them, and called the Republican Party "terrorists" because of John Fucking Boehner a week after his boss called for civility. He is, and always has been a bomb thrower who attacks his opponents in the most hysterical of terms because it works with his base. 

As the last 24 hours have shown, the majority of progressives  don't care about political violence. They don't care about extreme rhetoric. All they care about are talking points they can use to demonize non Democrats.  They'll try and prosecute someone for the exact same behavior they'll ignore when it's their team doing it. 

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Sean Treacy
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1  author  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

Congressional aides, government employees, journalists and great swaths of online democrats are publicly bemoaning a shooter failing to kill a Presidential candidate.  When they aren't doing that they are engaged in crazy ass conspiracies because Trump was just too brave and responded to well to the shooting. 

If you ever want to talk about a threat to democracy..

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    5 months ago
If you ever want to talk about a threat to democracy..

You need look no further than Donald Trump. Just because the asshole was shot at does not absolve him of his traitorous actions.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.1  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thomas @1.1    5 months ago
Just because the asshole was shot at does not absolve him of his traitorous actions.

What does Trump have to do with Democrats making up conspiracies and celebrating the shooting of a Presidential candidate?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @1.1    5 months ago

There is the intolerant over the top rhetoric we have come to know and loath Democrats and leftists for.

Trump hasn't been convicted of treason. He isn't even charged with it. Why don't you ask Smith why he isn't charging Trump with treason? Smith is a pit bull that loves overcharging people with treason. Hell, they aren't even charging Trump with insurrection. 

But carry on with the rhetoric. Maybe it will influence another nutjob with better aim to try.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    5 months ago

I did not say he was charged with treason. I called him a traitor. He violated his oath of office and the spirit and letter of the constitution. He did indeed try to get around the constitution and remain in power though he lost a free and fair election. These are established facts. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.1    5 months ago
What does Trump have to do with Democrats making up conspiracies and celebrating the shooting of a Presidential candidate?

Who exactly is the Presidential candidate you are talking about? You cannot talk about an assassination attempt without a person to assassinate. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Thomas @1.1.3    5 months ago
Biden has violated his oath of office multiple times, and the left doesn't care.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.6  GregTx  replied to  Thomas @1.1.4    5 months ago

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Gazoo
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1.1.7  Gazoo  replied to  Thomas @1.1    5 months ago

How is he a threat to democracy?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  GregTx @1.1.6    5 months ago
removed for context
 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.9  Thomas  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.7    5 months ago

He has tried to subvert the will of the people. He should have gone away when he was defeated the first time. Instead he chose to lie continually about winning the election, he chose to tell the Proud Boys to Stand back and stand by. He chose to tell his supporters to come to Washington on January 6th. He chooses to continue to deny the results of the 2020 election. He has pledged to Pardon the January 6th Rioters, in effect signalling that he would do the same for future criminal activity done to help him. He has been granted absolute immunity for not yet defined actions. These and many, many more are the reasons that he is a threat to democracy as well as a horrible person.

You can believe otherwise if you wish, but that still will not make your opinions any closer to factual.Through his own actions he has brought all of the legal attention from the DOJ, though he lies about that and claims to be persecuted instead of prosecuted with due process.  

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.10  Gazoo  replied to  Thomas @1.1.9    5 months ago

You may be right. What if he gets in again and decides to weaponize alphabet agencies? And use those same agencies to suppress negative info about him or his family and go after, or spy on his political opponents? Yeah, that’d be bad. He may even stoop so low as to buy a fake dossier that smears his political opponents, and if that doesn’t work he’ll try to throw them in prison. And i’m sure there are other things he can do that i’m not thinking of right now. Yep, i can see how one would worry that those kind of actions can put an end to our democracy.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.11  Thomas  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.10    5 months ago

Trump has promised to do all of those things.

And I know that you are trying to be coy and insinuate that Biden is doing those things. You are wrong in that belief. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.12  Gazoo  replied to  Thomas @1.1.11    5 months ago

Dems and biden have done the actions i listed. I see them as more of a threat to this country than trump. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.13  Thomas  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.12    5 months ago

No, they have not. But you keep right on believing that delusional pile of shit that is your soon to be nominee.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.14  Gazoo  replied to  Thomas @1.1.13    5 months ago

So the fbi didn’t state the laptop was Russian propaganda? 51 intelligence agency officials didn’t sign a letter stating the laptop was Russian propaganda? Obama’s doj didn’t allow a faulty fisa warrant to spy on a political opponents campaign? Clinton’s campaign didn’t purchase the Steele dossier from a foreign spy to use against trump? Dems didn’t use that fake dossier to try to impeach him? And they knew it was fake. Alvin Bragg didn’t use criminal charges that no one has ever been charged with to try to put trump in prison? Then hochul didn’t say to other businesses in ny “hey don’t worry we won’t use those charges on you”. Yeah, dems are the biggest threat to democracy this country faces. Your definition of delusional is,,,,,,delusional.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.15  cjcold  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.14    5 months ago

So you're the one that believes every single piece of far-right wing propaganda that has ever come down the brown stained fascist pike.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.17  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.16    5 months ago

The Michael  brown had his hands up and said “don’t shoot” crowd has only gotten louder and more aggressive in denying reality. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.14    5 months ago

The PD&D+delusion is pathological

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.19  Gazoo  replied to  cjcold @1.1.15    5 months ago

Lol jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    5 months ago

I see people complaining about the problems with security by the Secret Service.  Big question in my mind is why did they contract to the local police department to have them doing a job the SS should have been wholly responsible for themselves? If that is the case the ball got dropped big time by the SS and Mayorkas as well.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.1  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    5 months ago
I see people complaining about the problems with security by the Secret Service.

Yeah, that's a whole other ball of wax. That the SS didn't have an elevated area with a clear line of sight that close to the stage secure is negligence of the highest order. People need to resign/lose their jobs for the security lapse. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.2  Snuffy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    5 months ago

I do believe that local police are always involved in these types of events. Look at the number of NYPD who are outside of Trump Towers every day. The Secret Service is the lead agency which runs the show but local police are included as they know the area.

With that said, how they left an unsecured building within 200 yards of the stage seems to me like a big issue. I have no doubt that there will be a huge investigation into this and while I don't know if anybody will be fired I do expect there will be some reassignments as a result.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    5 months ago

A shooter getting aimed shots off inside 150 yards?

That ….. is a huge fuck up.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.1    5 months ago
hat the SS didn't have an elevated area with a clear line of sight that close to the stage secure is negligence of the highest order.

You should really wait for all the facts to come in.

Who do you think shot the shooter?

A Counter Sniper Team on a peaked roof top higher than the would be assassin.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.5  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.4    5 months ago

You know that doesn’t contradict what I wrote, at all, right?

But by all means run with your  argument that secure means letting a shooter take position and take aimed shots from 150 yards away.  

Lol. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.6  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.4    5 months ago

More facts:

the secret service knew the building was an issue but 

Secret Service Director Kim Cheatle: “That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside.”

Biden talked to “him” though, so it’s all good.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.2.7  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.6    5 months ago
the secret service knew the building was an issue but

yup , they knew it , it likely came down to a staffing and manpower issue in how things were done .

they had a finite number of agents and only got a finite number of outside personnel from supporting agencies be they state  county and local .

 things were just not covered as well as they thought they were , 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.8  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.2.7    5 months ago
it likely came down to a staffing and manpower issue in how things w

Yeah, staffing problems and allocation (Jill Biden had more frontline agents on the same day than Trump)  will likely be a major part of the investigation. 

But they had the staff to put in the building to "secure" it, but didn't want to put anyone on the roof with a direct line of sight to the stage because the roof was "dangerous." 

That's unbelievable to me. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.6    5 months ago

WTF are you talking about, Biden talked to who?  You use the Daily Mail as a source?  For anything?  It's tabloid trash.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    5 months ago

But what they are saying is all the truth, just ask them. They will defend their truth until the very bitter end.

Anyone that has the temerity to call them out is a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, MAGA insurrectionist out to destroy the Constitution and overthrow the government.

Saw someone refer to the assassination attempt as Republican's civil war- because the shooter is a registered Republican- even though he gave money to Democrat PACs. Like good Republicans do. They aren't even going to wait until his social media posts, web browser history, and other information comes out. They have their marching orders. Republican civil war; Trump false flag; Putin false flag; and Democrat and leftist media rhetoric not responsible.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.1  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @1.3    5 months ago
Republican civil war; Trump false flag; Putin false flag; and Democrat and leftist media rhetoric not responsible.

It's so transparent and played out at this point. 

Republican does A= Worst thing ever, put him in jail

Democrat does A=Who cares?  totally justified.

It's something to watch people who lack any principle simply grasp any convenient fact/argument  to hang onto to get through a news cycle and then seem them discard it and argue the exact opposite as soon as its convenient.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.3.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ronin2 @1.3    5 months ago

even though he gave money to Democrat PACs

Why do you embellish the truth so severely?  It was a one time $15 donation from a 17 year old that was earmarked for a getting out the vote initiative.  The fact that he registered himself as a Republican and comes from a family with a Trump sign in their yard is far more intriguing.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.3  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3.2    5 months ago

He's a Democratic donor who tried to kill Trump. You understand that, right? 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.3.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.3    5 months ago

You understand that he was a 17 year old pimply faced loner from a Republican family when he made a political donation, then went on to register himself as a Republican, and then tried to kill Trump, right?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3.4    5 months ago

I cannot believe, well of course I can, that people focus on $15, just like Judge Merchan, like that makes them a Democrat.

JFC

FFS

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.6  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3.4    5 months ago

Did your parents control your beliefs?  I don’t know if you know this or not, but teenagers and young adults famously tend to rebel against their parents beliefs.

Again, he donated his own money to a progressive activist group and shot trump , the head of the Republican Party.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.3    5 months ago

he donated 15 dollars in response to an email solicitation. That makes him a leftist? LOL. 17 year old kids dont know what they are. If he was a "leftist" willing to kill for his political beliefs there would be some evidence of it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.6    5 months ago

at this time , you have no case. zero.   If the FBI can ever divine his motive then it will be what it is. right now it is nothing. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.9  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.7    5 months ago

Do you give money to right wing activist groups John?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.6    5 months ago

and by the way, it is extremely unlikely that he shot Trump because Biden said "bullseye". In truth, that idea is crazy.  The "bullseye" story was not in the news until after. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.9    5 months ago

If he gave a thousand dollars to antifa or Ilhan Omar  you might have a point.  

Right now you have none.   

Maybe he donated 15 dollars on a whim, and anyway that was before he registered as a Republican. One could just as easily argue that something made him conservatibve. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3.4    5 months ago

Exactly, maybe he was embarrassed to mark Dem when he registered or maybe Trump wasn't right wing enough to suit him.  Another possibility is that his motivation wasn't politically based he just want to get a celebrity for his suicide by cop and Trump was conveniently near by. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.12    5 months ago
Trump was conveniently near by. 

yep. Its also possible he went through with it because his father had an AR-15 in his arsenal, and Trump was going to be in the area. For all we know if Biden was on that stage he might have shot at Biden. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.3.14  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.12    5 months ago

Another possibility is that his motivation wasn't politically based he just want to get a celebrity for his suicide by cop and Trump was conveniently near by. 

Yes.  Please relay that to Sean, since he thinks the political motivations are plain to see.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.3.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.12    5 months ago
maybe he was embarrassed to mark Dem when he registered or maybe Trump wasn't right wing enough to suit him

Or just maybe, as stated here yesterday, he registered Republican so he could vote in the primary against Trump

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.13    5 months ago

"It's time to put trump in the bullseye" was indeed the statement President Biden made but it was a statement - no pictures involved - there was word somewhere that a picture of trump was provided with a bullseye on his back - that is false.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.3.15    5 months ago

when he registered as a Republican Trump wasnt running yet and the primary was 2 1/2 years away. in other words your explanation is far fetched. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.3.18  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3.4    5 months ago
loner from a Republican family

Could swear when reading about the person , the article i read specifically mentioned his parents political registrations as well, his fathers as Libertarian, and his mothers as Democrat .

with his being registered as republican , i would say thats a pretty mixed household , politically speaking .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    5 months ago

They have exposed themselves to the country as they hate-filled degenerates they are.

Decent people already knew and there was plenty to enlighten us. 

2 fraudulent investigations
2 fraudulent impeachments
Lawfare
7 years of lies and smears
and 4 years of resistance.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4    5 months ago
2 fraudulent investigations2 fraudulent impeachmentsLawfare7 years of lies and smearsand 4 years of resistance.

all bullshit

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.1    5 months ago

So, did it amount to getting rid of Trump or putting him in jail? No charges of convictions on insurrection or treason, and questionable verdicts on a decade's old sexual harassment charge, and misdemeanor bookkeeping errors.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.4.3  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.2    5 months ago

To most leftists, the bookkeeping and decades old sexual harassment is enough to have him put to death. They almost got their wish, and many of them are complaining on x that the POS missed.

I dont think anyone is surprised.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.4  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.4.3    5 months ago
To most leftists, the bookkeeping and decades old sexual harassment is enough to have him put to death.

Donald Trump is not morally, ethically, psychologically or mentally fit to be president of the United States. He is a pathological liar, he is a cheat, he is a crook, he is a bigot, and he is a moron. Oh, one more, he is a traitor who tried to steal the last presidential election. 

Now the cult wants him to get a "second chance".  It is nuts. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.4.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.4    5 months ago
Oh, one more, he is a traitor who tried to steal the last presidential election. 

And another thing, he’s the luckiest candidate ever.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.4.5    5 months ago
he’s the luckiest candidate ever.

Perhaps some people think that carries more weight than him being a traitor.  I dont. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.4.7  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.4.5    5 months ago

Beating Hillary yet not winning the most votes was lucky...

Trump has never won the popular vote or polled over 50%!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.4.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @1.4.7    5 months ago
Beating Hillary yet not winning the most votes was lucky...

Exactly, luckiest candidate ever.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.4    5 months ago
Donald Trump is not morally, ethically, psychologically or mentally fit to be president of the United States.

That's one person's opinion.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.4    5 months ago

What were the results of that genuine judge and jury trial that found him guilty of treason and election stealing? Oh that's right, there wasn't one! Only the typical hard core leftist liberal kangaroo courts of public opinion that believe so.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.4.11  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.4.9    5 months ago
Donald Trump is not morally, ethically, psychologically or mentally fit to be president of the United States.
That's one person's opinion

That's millions of people's opinion.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.4.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gsquared @1.4.11    5 months ago
That's millions of people's opinion.

But maybe not enough in the swing states.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @1.4.11    5 months ago

Opinions nonetheless.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @1.4.7    5 months ago

As I am absolutely certain you are aware but choose to ignore, popular vote does not elect presidents in this country but you and others here insist on throwing  that ridiculous BS out there. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.4.16  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.15    5 months ago

(hehehehehehe, ) if im smiling  im thinking of doing something naughty , if im laughing , i already did it .

just looked it up .

to win the presidency take 270 votes in the EC .

 270 out of a possible 535  = 50.4672897 %

I will just leave that there to ruminate .

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.17    5 months ago

And I expect them to keep trying.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    5 months ago
including literally putting a bullseye on Trump a few days ago.

This is the heart of your argument and it is nonsense. 

Truth be told what happened to Trump is more a rough approximation of karma than anything else.  

Trump said there would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected.  Please explain to me why that is not exactly as bad as Biden saying "bulls eye."

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
s is the heart of your argument and it is nonsense. 

You blamed Palin for Gifford's shooting because of a fakebook post despite the shooting having nothing to do with politics. By all means, explain how that reasoning  doesn't apply to  Biden using the exact same symbol for the exact same purpose. 

The massive, overwhelming hypocrisy of democrats about rhetoric is the heart of my argument, and you haven't even  tried to rebut it.  Simply claiming Trump deserved it only makes my point for me. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    5 months ago

You lose this argument, although no doubt you will stagger on. 

 Trump asked his followers to come to DC on Jan 6 and promised "it will be wild". If that isnt promoting violence I dont know. 

The right makes literally endless excuses for Trump who has pussyfooted with violence for 9 years. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.2  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    5 months ago
lose this argument, although no doubt you will stagger on.

All you do is say "But Trump."[]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    5 months ago

Trying to compare "it will be wild"to "put him in a bullseye"? That is ridiculous,  even for you.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    5 months ago
Trump  has nothing to do with your own hypocrisy in treating Palin different than Biden for the exact same act. 

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    5 months ago

Why do you keep saying I treated Palin some way? You have no idea. 

Last chance. Tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than "bloodbath" .  This is the third time I asked you I think. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.1.6  GregTx  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.4    5 months ago

Yeah they do...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    5 months ago

peaceful protests are not "wild". 

Sean cant answer, so you tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than Trump saying there will be a bloodbath if he loses the election. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.1.8  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    5 months ago

You've been answered, you're just trolling now.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    5 months ago

I never said anything about Palin and I don't recall you asking me any questions 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  GregTx @2.1.8    5 months ago

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Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    5 months ago

Wild does not equal violence by any stretch of the imagination other than for people that really really really want it to

Did I say it was?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    5 months ago

He never said any words inciting them to stage a riot. That's all in your confused imagination.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.13    5 months ago

Thomas Matthew Crooks, Trump rally shooting suspect, described as quiet by Bethel Park classmates (inquirer.com)

FBI investigators found materials for two explosive devices in Crooks’ car, according to the New York Times . Police on Sunday restricted public access to the gunman’s home in Bethel Park, nestled in a middle-class suburb eight miles south of Pittsburgh.

The slight traces of public information Crooks left behind leave few clues about his political ideology.

Federal campaign finance records show he made a $15 donation to progressive political action committee in 2021 after President Joe Biden ’s election, but later registered as a Republican, according to Pennsylvania voter data. His father was a registered Libertarian, his mother a Democrat.

Crooks’ body was found on the rooftop of an agricultural tool manufacturing plant a few hundred feet from the rally with an AR-style semiautomatic rifle — legally purchased by his father. The shooter was wearing a T-shirt promoting “The Demolition Ranch,” a YouTube channel for gun enthusiasts.

If Crooks maintained any personal social media presence, it went largely undetected on Sunday. Discord, an instant messaging platform mainly used by video gamers, released a statement acknowledging Crooks held a “rarely utilized” account that contained no information relevant to the shooting.

Sigafoos did not recall Crooks making political overtures in class, but rather as someone interested in how government works, and “not trying to insert his own beliefs into it.”

Another former classmate did not share this view.

Max R. Smith recalled taking an American history course with Crooks as a sophomore. He did recall Crooks making political statements — but they shed no light on his actions Saturday.

“He definitely was conservative,” he said. “It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”

Smith recalled a mock debate in which their history professor posed government policy questions and asked students to stand on one side of the classroom or the other to signal their support or opposition for a given proposal.

“The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other.”

The former classmate also recalled Crooks as generally kind and intelligent, if reserved.

“Everybody is in shock,” Smith said. “He was so quiet, I wouldn’t imagine him doing that. But I guess that was the same deal with Columbine.”

“Shocked would be an understatement,” Sigafoos added. “None of my friends can fathom that a dude we knew would try and kill Trump.”

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    5 months ago
“He definitely was conservative,” he said. “It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”

The larger font emphasizes the importance.  Perhaps the shooter wanted a real right winger, not a REINO.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    5 months ago

Joe asked us not to make assumptions but to let the FBI do its investigative work.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
2.1.17  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    5 months ago

Tell us why "bullseye" is any worse than "bloodbath"

And stop trying to incorporate the words “what about” and “hypocrisy” into an answer.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
2.1.19  bccrane  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    5 months ago
Smith recalled a mock debate in which their history professor posed government policy questions and asked students to stand on one side of the classroom or the other to signal their support or opposition for a given proposal. “The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other.”

Ah, there it is, I knew I seen it somewhere.  This kid was being bullied by his classmates who, apparently, were liberal and his standing alone on the other side doesn't automatically make him conservative just that he is standing in defiance of his classmates. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
This is the heart of your argument and it is nonsense. 

So you are saying Biden hasn't called Trump and MAGA a threat to Democracy and our country multiple times? That Democrats and their media sycophants haven't been calling for Trump to be stopped by any means openly and loudly? Good to know- you had better remind the Biden FBI and CIA to scrub the internet clean of every last record of leftists doing just that. It could take them years to find every last reference and link- so they had better get started now.

Truth be told what happened to Trump is more a rough approximation of karma than anything else.  

So it will be karma also if it happens to any Democrat that has been using over the top rhetoric about Trump and MAGA?

Trump said there would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected.  Please explain to me why that is not exactly as bad as Biden saying "bulls eye."

For fuck's sake. Can you even quote Trump accurately just once?

Former President Donald Trump warned Saturday that if he were to lose the 2024 election, it would be a “bloodbath” for the US auto industry and the country.

The remark came as Trump promised a “100% tariff” on cars made outside the US, arguing that domestic auto manufacturing would be protected only if he is elected.

“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those guys if I get elected,” Trump said during a rally in Vandalia, Ohio. “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole – that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.”

The comment came in the midst of an extended riff on the auto industry, unions, the transition to electric vehicles and auto plants in Mexico. Trump has sought to woo autoworkers and appeal to voters in Rust Belt states by hammering on trade, tariffs and   EV manufacturing . Trump told CNBC this month that he would place a 50% tariff on cars made in Chinese plants in Mexico.

The former president later stressed to the crowd his belief in the urgency of the November election. “If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country.”

So a bloodbath for the US auto industry and the rest of the country economically. 

The former president later stressed to the crowd his belief in the urgency of the November election. “If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country.”

Surprised that your not more upset about this line seeing how you always take Trump out of context. Thought you would be harping on it being Trump trying to overthrow the government- instead of what he meant is Democrats taking over and having 1 party rule. The self same Democrats that were very close to federalizing all election laws; and packing the Supreme Court so that it would always rule their way.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.2.1  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    5 months ago
We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those guys if I get elected,” Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole – that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.”

 I didn't realize how badly he took that out of context.  That's even worse than the very fine people lie.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    5 months ago
“Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole – that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.”

As I told you previously, bloodbath has dual meanings, AS DOES BULLSEYE. 

Do you seriously believe Biden used the word bullseye in the context of advocating someone  should shoot Trump. This is all beyond ridiculous.  Bidens "context " was turning attention away from his age and back to Trumps unfitness for office. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.2.3  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    5 months ago
s I told you previously, bloodbath has dual meanings, AS DOES BULLSEYE. 

Did you not understand Palin was using a "dual meaning?" when she posted her facebook map. 

Crazy how  the same people who blamed Palin suddenly discovered "dual meanings" after making her target a national scandal and  the basis for calls for her to be arrested. You get that if you and other Democrats didn't attack and blame Palin for the bullseye, no one would be focusing on Biden's use of it, right? 

You keep making my point for me just reinforcing how hypocritical democrats are.  Thank you. 

Do you seriously believe Biden used the word bullseye in the context of advocating someone  should shoot Trum

Of course not.  Why did Democrats claim to believe Palin did?  That's the point John.  Anyone who believed Palin was advocating the shooting of Giffords, if they are honest people with integrity, should also believe Biden advocated the shooting of Trump. 

Those are the rules Democrats established. They can't have it both ways. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    5 months ago
Do you seriously believe Biden used the word bullseye in the context of advocating someone  should shoot Trump.

No and I don’t believe Pallin did either but that didn’t stop that accusations.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.5  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    5 months ago

That would probably carry a little more weight if some Democrats hadn't been actively trying to strip him of his Secret Service detail not too long ago. Thank God they weren't able to.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.3    5 months ago

Palin said 'in the crosshairs' not bullseye - she never said bullseye

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.5    5 months ago

Prove it

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.9  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    5 months ago

That's a clever post.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.10  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.8    5 months ago

Prove what?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.3    5 months ago
Anyone who believed Palin was advocating the shooting of Giffords, if they are honest people with integrity, should also believe Biden advocated the shooting of Trump. 

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.9    5 months ago

They usually are as opposed to yours

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.10    5 months ago

Just as I thought - the alleged attempt to remove his ss detail

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.2.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.13    5 months ago

Look back at your own posts.  You were pretty vocal that they should when some dems said they should.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2.16  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    5 months ago

You didn't tell anyone shit.

You have been harping endlessly on Trump's use of the term "bloodbath" and posted several articles from leftist sources stating he intended to start one if he lost.

I gave the real damn quote and proved that full of shit.

As for Biden. He has called Trump and MAGA a threat to the country multiple times; has threatened to us military force against them multiple times; and since leftists didn't cut Palin any slack- Biden doesn't get any either. The shooter received Biden's message loud and clear.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.8    5 months ago

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.18  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.19  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.16    5 months ago

Another load of crap.  Biden used "bullseye" in the context of getting attention off of his age and back on Trump's unfitness for office.  His context is no worse than Trump's "bloodbath" context. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.14    5 months ago

Why should a convicted felon get the detail?  He's an alleged billionaire and should pay for it hiimself

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.21  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.20    5 months ago

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Gsquared
Professor Principal
2.2.22  Gsquared  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.16    5 months ago
He has called Trump and MAGA a threat to the country multiple times

They are.

has threatened to us (sic) military force against them multiple times

That comment is extremist bullshit.

The shooter received Biden's message loud and clear.

It's good to know you can hear what was going on inside the shooter's brain.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.10    5 months ago

That's what I thought

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.10    5 months ago

Can't you put 2 and 2 together?  The post I was responding to should give you the answer.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @2.2.14    5 months ago

When did Biden try to do so?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.25    5 months ago

As usual, you provided no proof that this was done by President Biden.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.2.27  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    5 months ago

Same difference.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.2.29  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.19    5 months ago

as of today, mon , there are at least 3 news agencies reporting an interview with Mr Biden , quoting him as saying it was a mistake to use the term bullseye on his back . 

 even the big guy say he shouldnt have done it .

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.30  Sparty On  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.2.29    5 months ago

Well played Joe.    Credit where credit is due.    Trump would never admit such a thing.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.2.31  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Sparty On @2.2.30    5 months ago

snopes even weighed in on the rumor it was teleprompter glass that hit trump, they determined that is false ......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.2.29    5 months ago

I never said he should have done it. I said it was no worse than Trump promising a bloodbath if he loses. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.2.34  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.32    5 months ago

I think i will take his somewhat mea culpa , at face value , its pretty straight forward and spin free.

 refreshing for a change  if i do say so myself .

 but not enough to get me to change my mind and vote for him .

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.35  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.32    5 months ago

Since context doesn't seem to matter let's take it to a more basic level, do you see anywhere in that statement where he mentions his opposition?  Party or individuals. 

“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those guys if I get elected,” Trump said during a rally in Vandalia, Ohio. “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole – that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it.”

You keep trying to equate them and that's ridiculous. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.37  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @2.2.35    5 months ago

For the final time.  Bloodbath has multiple meanings AND bullseye has multiple meanings. When Trump made his comment we heard endless explanation that he ddnt mean a literal bloodbath. Same goes for what Biden said. The context was taking the spotlight off of his age and putting it on Trump again. 

He probably should have said spotlight instead of bullseye, but the context is clear. He wasnt suggesting violence. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.39  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.37    5 months ago

So context matters with what Biden said but not Trump? Still doesn't answer the question though.

He probably should have said spotlight instead of bullseye, but the context is clear. He wasnt suggesting violence

Yes and Trump should have probably said economic wasteland. He wasn't suggesting violence.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2.40  Ronin2  replied to  Gsquared @2.2.22    5 months ago
They are.

Can't let the rhetoric die for a second can you?

That comment is extremist bullshit.

Coming from you that is laughable. 

"You know, I love these guys who say the Second Amendment is — you know, the tree of liberty is water with the blood of patriots. Well, if [you] want to do that, you want to work against the government, you need an F-16. You need something else than just an AR-15," he added.

Not so subtle threat from Biden there. He didn't state that once; but a couple of times in speeches. 

It's good to know you can hear what was going on inside the shooter's brain.

I can project just as well as Democrats/leftists. Palin wasn't cut any slack- why should Biden be?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.41  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.27    5 months ago

No.  It's not.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
Trump said there would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected.

What's the full context around this? It's out there, easy to find. 

This is a problem that BOTH FUCKING SIDES partake in. Cherry pick part of a statement and hammer the other side with it. This rhetoric with violence has been getting worse and worse since Reagen and IMO it's kind of surprising to me that such an event hasn't happened before. Unless ALL PARTIES (politicians and we the people) dial back this kind of bullshit... 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @2.3    5 months ago

Trump uses violent rhetoric.  Everyone in this country knows that. People should stop with this idiotic line of argument. 

What's the full context around this?

What is the full context of what Biden said?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    5 months ago
Trump uses violent rhetoric

Yes, but he didn’t get shot at, that’s the campaign difference, don’t you see.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.3.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    5 months ago
Trump uses violent rhetoric.  Everyone in this country knows that. People should stop with this idiotic line of argument. 

So do other politicians, including both Republicans and Democrats and Independents. How many times in this election cycle have Democrats (including Biden among others) come out and compared Trump to Hitler, or called him and his followers fascists? Or said that Trump is a direct threat to democracy? This continued usage of violence needs to end. 

What's the full context around this?
What is the full context of what Biden said?

Don't deflect away from what you were saying which my comment is a direct reply to. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.3.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @2.3.3    5 months ago

"Poisoning the blood of our nation" is an echo of Hitler's Germany. What do you want people to do, say its not? 

Maybe Trump should stop saying things like that and then people wont call him a Nazi. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.3.5  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.4    5 months ago
"Poisoning the blood of our nation" is an echo of Hitler's Germany.

Calling citizens that support the other guy enemies of the people isn't?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.3.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    5 months ago
Trump uses violent rhetoric. 

Oh no, he uses words that have dual meanings, just like Joe.   So if you are going to have an issue when one guy does it you should have an issue when the  other guy does it.  Unless of course integrity is not important.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.3.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    5 months ago
Trump uses violent rhetoric.

You mean like Pelosi telling people to get in the faces of the opposition? 

Or Biden telling the public he would take Trump behind the shed? 

Give it a break already.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.3.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3.2    5 months ago

You have become quite the apologist for Trump and MAGA. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.3.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    5 months ago
Trump uses violent rhetoric. 

And you ignore the Democrats (again and again):

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-California, saying, “I will go and take Trump out tonight”    Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Conn., saying, “take him out now,”
MSNBC commentator saying, “they’re still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump”

Madonna saying, “I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House”

Ellen DeGeneres asking then U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris, D-California, “If you have to be stuck in an elevator with either President Trump, [former Vice President] Mike Pence or [former Attorney General] Jeff Sessions, who would it be?”

Harris responded, “Does one of us have to come out alive?” She and Ellen both laughed profusely.

former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-California, saying multiple times, “We’ve got to be ready to throw a punch,”

Vice President Joe Biden on the campaign trail saying if he were in high school, he’d take Trump behind the gym and “beat the hell out of him.”

Waters shouting to a group, “push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore anywhere.”

Rep. Cynthia Johnson, D-Mich., saying, “this is just a warning for you Trumpers. Be careful, walk lightly. And for those of you who are soldiers, make them pay.”

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.4  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

The denial present in your comments here regarding Trump is palpable.

Based on that, no way you can make a reasonable judgement in this case.

No way!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @2.4    5 months ago

I'd settle for you and your friends here making substantive comments on this forum. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
2.4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    5 months ago

It's laughable that you think you are in any position to make that comment.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.4.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    5 months ago

One persons substantive is another’s bullshit.     Especially in this place.

I’d settle for people just not having rabidly partisan views in this forum but I stopped holding my breath for that a long long time ago

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.4.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @2.4.3    5 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.4.5  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.4.3    5 months ago

Your usual hive minded drone nonsense

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.4.6  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.5    5 months ago

Comments like that just reinforce the righteous the comments they are responding to.   Thx!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.4.7  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.4.6    5 months ago

opinions vary

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.4.8  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.7    5 months ago

You’re learning, slow but sure but more slow …..

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.4.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    5 months ago

You first.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

"Truth be told what happened to Trump is more a close aporoximation of karma than anything else."

So does this mean you think what happened to Trump was justified as karma?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
3  Robert in Ohio    5 months ago

God forbid when the next attempt is made and perhaps Biden is the target - I wonder if the liberal left will be so callous in their feeling about the attepted assassination.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    5 months ago

It is not a matter of "callous".

Trump is not a martyr, he's not a hero, he's someone who is lucky to be alive today. Good for him. 

Nothing to do with his fitness for office, which doesnt exist, even after he was shot at. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    5 months ago

John

Keep telling yourself that - I have been following the articles and reading the comments a couple expressed disappointment that President Trump was alright after the shooting.

This is hatred and it has no place in our country.

I don't want Trump or Biden to be president going forward, but I do not want either of them killed and think that anyone who is not thankful that Trump is okay and the emocratic process will play out as it plays out is the problem with our country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    5 months ago

Truth.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    5 months ago

I do not want Trump to be assassinated or die a violent death. But if he has a grabber and collapses and doesnt wake up I wont be shedding a tear or losing any sleep. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
3.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    5 months ago
It is not a matter of "callous".

Yea, it really is, plain and simple.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    5 months ago

Spot on!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    5 months ago
I don't want Trump or Biden to be president going forward, but I do not want either of them killed

That makes you MAGA around here. ....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    5 months ago
This is hatred and it has no place in our country.

How about telling that to the Proud Boys, the Large Marge's, the Skinheads, the Oath Keepers and even to the people you converse with. And I'm not talking aboout John

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.7    5 months ago
This is hatred and it has no place in our country.

Why don 't we start with the Democrats and the left. 

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-California, saying, “I will go and take Trump out tonight”  Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Conn., saying, “take him out now,”
MSNBC commentator saying, “they’re still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump”

Madonna saying, “I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House”

Ellen DeGeneres asking then U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris, D-California, “If you have to be stuck in an elevator with either President Trump, [former Vice President] Mike Pence or [former Attorney General] Jeff Sessions, who would it be?”

Harris responded, “Does one of us have to come out alive?” She and Ellen both laughed profusely.

former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-California, saying multiple times, “We’ve got to be ready to throw a punch,”

Vice President Joe Biden on the campaign trail saying if he were in high school, he’d take Trump behind the gym and “beat the hell out of him.”

Waters shouting to a group, “push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore anywhere.”

Rep. Cynthia Johnson, D-Mich., saying, “this is just a warning for you Trumpers. Be careful, walk lightly. And for those of you who are soldiers, make them pay.”

Now, the question is, are you willfully ignoring this or just that oblivious to what's going on?

Now it could be said the shooter was incited by these statements.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    5 months ago

512

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.7    5 months ago

Antifa?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.11    5 months ago

them, too

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.9    5 months ago

Yo noticed that too.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.12    5 months ago

I don't see anti-fa as a problem.  What does anyone hear from them nowadays?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.14    5 months ago

They were fine until they turned violent. But they've been pretty quiet for the last few years

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.15    5 months ago

Agreed, I don't defend violence in any forms - but yeah, you don't hear much from them nowadays, if anything.  

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
3.2  Thomas  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    5 months ago

If God were involved we wouldn't have these candidates. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @3.2    5 months ago

I am an atheist; but don't blame god for these candidates.

"God helps those who help themselves." Or so I have been told by my religious friends.

Blame our two party Establishment system that limits the candidate field. You can choose Democrat or Republican- anything else and you are wasting your vote.

Pick the lesser of two evils. The Establishment doesn't give a shit. The parties are just opposite sides of the same coin. Heads the Establishment wins; and tails we lose.

Trump must really piss the Establishment off. Outsiders aren't supposed to be able to hijack the Establishment parties.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Thomas @3.2    5 months ago

God’s plan is not the same as many liberal plans these days.   He’s not going to pick and chose based on what he thinks is acceptable.    God gives man complete freedom of choice.    Therefore, we have Biden and Trump.     Choices made by man.

Pretty sure God didn’t vote for either

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.2.3  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.2    5 months ago

God better not vote. He is not eligible...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @3.2.3    5 months ago

That’s good because he’s usually too busy hitting the shit out of a two iron to be bothered 

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
3.2.5  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.1    5 months ago
I am an atheist; but don't blame god for these candidates.

I do not claim to know what I do not know. I am agnostic with atheist tendencies. I probably should have added a sarcasm tag to that post. 

Blame our two party Establishment system that limits the candidate field. You can choose Democrat or Republican- anything else and you are wasting your vote.

Believe it or not, I am with you on that sentiment. Over time, the two parties have made up rules to entrench their hold on power. 

Pick the lesser of two evils. The Establishment doesn't give a shit. The parties are just opposite sides of the same coin. Heads the Establishment wins; and tails we lose.

I once saw a bumper sticker that read "Under Republicans, Man Oppresses Man. Under Democrats, it's Just the Opposite"

Trump must really piss the Establishment off. Outsiders aren't supposed to be able to hijack the Establishment parties.

 I don't know about the establishment, but he pisses me off for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which is his antipathy, or maybe it is ambivalence, towards the Constitution

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.2.6  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @3.2.5    5 months ago

I can agree with on just about everything.

Except the last portion. Democrats piss me off with how they twist the Constitution and rule of law. Trump used to be a Democrat; so he tries to pull the same shit. Don't worry Republicans are trying hard to catch up; they are just slow learners who are bound in tradition.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    5 months ago

I'm not callous about this attempt. I'd rather he just lose another election, not his life.

but if you think the left is callous now see what happens if there's an attempt on Biden's life.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4  shona1    5 months ago

Morning..geez if you can say that..

Just a few things I am confused about which is not hard to do at times..as Devangy would say we are up side down..

Now what is a registered Republican?? Do you actually register with a political party or something so you can then vote? Or am I reading that wrong?

And what is it with mainly middle aged women who appear to be Republican screaming at the camera we are going to fight. We are going to fight and we will win?? Huh?? Fight what??

You roll up and vote in November..yeessh and it is not even compulsory..not hard to do I wouldn't have thought so what is there to fight about?? Or am I missing something..

And no God was not involved..it was not divine intervention...it was a gunman who was a crook shot (no pun intended) who got kicked off the rifle club team because of that..

The biggest tragedy is the poor guy who lost his life.. hardly rates a mention...and I feel for the gunman's family...their lives along with the soul that died will never be the same again..

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1  Sparty On  replied to  shona1 @4    5 months ago

G’day Shona,

Not required.

In fact I suspect most, like myself, have never been registered to either party.    Which is only problematic in my area because they want you to be affiliated with a party to be a poll watcher.    Which sucks to be me.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  shona1  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    5 months ago

Morning Sparts..so if you aren't registered to a particular party can you still vote?

The process here is.

Soon as you turn 18 the registration forms are sent out by the government.. voting is compulsory here..

You fill them out name, address etc and post them back..the next election your name then appears on the register and you vote..if you don't then you will be fined...

There is no party affiliation when registering what so ever and you vote for who ever you wish too etc..

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  shona1 @4.1.1    5 months ago

Yes you can in Michigan.    Pretty sure it’s the same in most other states.    Now in the Primary (this august) they traditionally don’t let you split your ticket.    Vote for Dems, Reps and others, which I have never liked.    But in the main election (this November) you can vote for whoever you want

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2  author  Sean Treacy  replied to  shona1 @4    5 months ago
? Do you actually register with a political party or something so you can then vote? Or am I reading that wrong?

Some states require you to register as a party member to vote in that party's  primary election. For instance, I am a registered Democrat because their local primaries were  more interesting to me than the Republican ones. As an example, the county where trump was shot is heavily Republican, making general elections non that competitive.  A liberal can register as a Republican to influence the choice of who will end up winning by voting in the Republican primary.  Registration doesn't make a difference how you vote in the actual general election and voters don't need to register with any party to participate in that.

So you have a system where millions of people are "registered" as a member of the party they rarely, if ever, vote for in general elections. 

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4.2.1  shona1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2    5 months ago

Morning Sean..

Thanks for that..hmm I guess that to me is a strange way to do it but every country is different..

No one knows who votes what here and I think I prefer that..from the Government to the neighbours and that is the way I like it..

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  shona1 @4    5 months ago

Shona, this will sound odd to you, but yes people do register with parties political.

Much of it stems from the state level , not all states allow people to vote in primaries across the board.

In order to vote in a states Dem or rep party primaries , one must be registered with that party they intend to vote for. Thing is come the general election, they can and many do vote for candidates outside their claimed party, it drives those party purists absolutely batshit crazy.

States like that are known as closed primary states, reason most that do that do it is to keep others from choosing their party candidate, that can be defeated. Doesn't work in my opinion.

Personally since I started voting in 1980, I have registered as a republican , democrat and independent, and switched over and up a couple times. For me it was more a matter of WHO was running , rather than party politics and policy.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4.3.1  shona1  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.3    5 months ago

Morning Mark..to be honest your whole political system sounds complicated and rather overwhelming..

Not to mention all the States you have plus the cost of it all..and then it still doesn't seem to work as there are always ructions and dramas...

Here the designated day is announced usually a couple of months ahead....no primaries, secondaries or anything else.

You have the two main parties and their leaders, plus independents etc..nothing changes campaigns start..then three days before the election there is a complete media black out no adds etc for the parties.. that is always a blessing..

Roll up on polling day always a Saturday, vote, we still use paper ballots and pencil..the results are usually in by midnight.. everyone packs up goes home..

If there is a change of government you wake up Sunday morning and no one blinks an eye and everything is normal again...no fights, dramas, its all rather mundane actually..but it works for us..

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.3.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  shona1 @4.3.1    5 months ago

LoL, I can see how it appears that way , it's like me keeping other countries parties straight and knowing how they lean compared to parties here.

Way I look at it , here we have two major parties so at the national level we have two mob bosses run by committee., 50 states each with their own two set of local mob bosses in charge of state committees, then you have the lowest level and rank the local precincts. Local level helps make up the state, state helps make up the national.

All party pols start usually locally or with some kind of referral from state or national connections.

When it comes to the voting , it's actually easier than it sounds .

 Primaries are run off races to see who will be facing off in the general, and primaries can have numerous candidates .

 General the field is usually down to two maybe a third candidate, depends on third parties , but generally the race is just two.

Except for the office of the president and vice president, whomever gets the majority of the votes in the state is the winning candidate.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
4.3.3  shona1  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.3.2    5 months ago

I think I need a Panadol..🤣

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.3.4  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  shona1 @4.3.3    5 months ago

lol

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  shona1 @4    5 months ago
Do you actually register with a political party or something so you can then vote? Or am I reading that wrong?

It depends on the state, shona.  Some states have what are called "closed" primary elections, where only registered party members can vote to decide who will be that party's nominee for the general election.

Some states have "open" primaries, where anybody can vote in the primary, regardless of party.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5  George    5 months ago

By tomorrow CNN will be reporting this as a mostly pieceful assassination attempt.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6  Thrawn 31    5 months ago

lol, mine was “fuck, we were 2 inches away from being one down, one to go.”

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
6.1  Thomas  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    5 months ago

Yes - leave it

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
6.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    5 months ago
lol, mine was “fuck, we were 2 inches away

Keep that sense of humor, it’s healthy.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.1  GregTx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.2    5 months ago

Is it though? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
6.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  GregTx @6.2.1    5 months ago

Trump and Biden asked for unity so I’m trying to do my part.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @6.2.1    5 months ago

It is. If they both fucked off we could have a national reset. But Trump narrowly (sadly) avoided having his brains blown out, so he is still there, and Biden hasn’t died from… well anything yet, so he is still there. 

neither candidate cares about what is best for the country, if they did the would both drop out. We are still stuck with candidates 70% of the people don’t want but have to vote for one way or the other and be pissed off about it. Ffs, if Trump is elected he will be the oldest president ever elected… 

and he is the “young” guy.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.4  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.3    5 months ago
It is. If they both fucked off we could have a national reset

I don't think there's any chance of that. 

But Trump narrowly (sadly) avoided having his brains blown out, so he is still there, and Biden hasn’t died from… well anything yet, so he is still there. 

Careful, that might be construed as death wishing....

neither candidate cares about what is best for the country, if they did the would both drop out. We are still stuck with candidates 70% of the people don’t want but have to vote for one way or the other and be pissed off about it. Ffs, if Trump is elected he will be the oldest president ever elected… 

and he is the “young” guy.

Sure that's the way it looks like it's gonna be. You're wrong though, if Biden is elected he'll be the oldest president ever elected......

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
6.2.5  Thomas  replied to  GregTx @6.2.4    5 months ago

If either of them is elected, they will be the oldest . 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @6.2.4    5 months ago

Biden is going to lose, no question about it and it is because the democrats didn’t listen to me in 2016, and they aren’t now. It is all about popularity. Policies, positions, experience etc. doesn’t matter. Popularity is the winner. If you can have a candidate that is SLIGTLY more likable than the other one, you win. 

Trump is not likable, he is an awful human being, all the Dems need to do is run a candidate that is not 100 years old and is kinda personable, and they win. But they are too stupid to do that.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.7  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.6    5 months ago

So who would you like to see as the candidate?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.8  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @6.2.7    5 months ago

Larry Hogan and Laura Kelly.

they are both moderate governors who have had to reach across the aisle for success. They were not brought into  power by extremists and will not be ruled by them. Far as I can tell they have kept their aheads above the bullshit, and don’t seem to be total pieces of shit.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.10  GregTx  replied to  Thomas @6.2.5    5 months ago

Sure, what's a few years and a couple of aneurysms?..

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    5 months ago

Not at all. The Dems just run candidates more unpopular. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.12  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.11    5 months ago

That's probably cause they don't listen to you......

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.13  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @6.2.12    5 months ago

You aren’t wrong… Bernie would have easily won in 2016. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
6.2.14  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.13    5 months ago

LOL, sure.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
6.2.15  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @6.2.14    5 months ago

He would have. He was more popular than both, had a very similar message to Trump, but was t an asshole about it. And there was a lot of independent excitement around sanders. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.15    5 months ago
had a very similar message to Trump

Lol, that’s just crazy talk.    Sanders is a Socialist and Trump a Capitalist.    Enough said.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.8    5 months ago

I don't trust Hogan.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
6.2.18  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.2.6    5 months ago

Biden is going to lose, no question about it

Hope you like the gamey taste of crow.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.19  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.2.18    5 months ago

I'm expecting Trump to shoot himself in the foot.

I hope that is not taken as a death threat. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
6.2.21  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.20    5 months ago

He has something in common with cackles then.