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Patrick Harvie slams John Swinney for congratulating 'misogynist & racist' President Trump

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  14 hours ago  •  25 comments

By:   The Scottish Sun

Patrick Harvie slams John Swinney for congratulating 'misogynist & racist' President Trump
... Scotland's cultural and social ties with the US will flourish during the presidency of a misogynist, a climate denier, a fraudster, a conspiracy monger, a racist, a far-right politician who tried to overturn an election ...

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The Greens co-leader Patrick Harvie condemned John Swinney for congratulating President Trump on his election victory. Mr Harvie said 'Yesterday, the First Minister offered congratulations to the convicted felon, Donald Trump, on his re-election. Writing officially on behalf of the Scottish government, he wrote that he is sure Scotland's cultural and social ties with the US will flourish during the presidency of a 'misogynist, a climate denier, a fraudster, a conspiracy monger, a racist, a far right politician who tried to overturn an election result, both covertly and by inciting violence.'   Words fail me.

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Patrick Harvey:  Yesterday the first Minister offered congratulations to the convicted felon Donald Trump on his reelection writing officially on behalf of the Scottish government he wrote that he is sure Scotland's cultural and social ties with the US will flourish during the presidency of a misogynist, a climate denier, a fraudster, a conspiracy monger, a racist, a far-right politician who tried to overturn an election result both covertly and by inciting violence.  Words fail me what social and and cultural ties does the first Minister really think will benefit from a relationship with such a man and more importantly what has the first Minister done so far to reach out to the marginalized and vulnerable people whose lives are most directly threatened by a second Trump term?

First minister:  Presiding officer uh I have a duty as first minister of Scotland to engage with other governments and to represent the people of Scotland in that process and as part of that Duty I wrote the letter in question that Mr Harvey cites um.  I think there are deep cultural social and economic ties between Scotland and the United States of America I think they're important.  They're important for employment in our economy, they're important for the cultural expression of our country and for the way in which we are able to pursue those objectives.   So whilst there are very clearly because of what I said before the presidential election uh very big real differences in expression and in priority and in way of life between me and Donald Trump I cannot deny the the existence of links between Scotland and the United States and regardless of the president presidential choice in the United States I want to maintain good relationships between Scotland and the United States.   And what I would say to Mr Harvey and I think he knows me well enough to know that the concerns of people who feel marginalized in our society who feel under threat are questions and concerns that I wrestle with every single day as first Minister because I stood here and I pledged to be the first minister of all of Scotland and that's entirely what I intend to do.

Patrick Harvey:  Big differences of priority this sounds like extraordinary complacency at a time of incredible danger for the world.  The reelection of Trump is particularly dangerous for climate policy.   This is someone who has pedaled climate conspiracy theories for many years but such threats exist in Scotland too.  The first Minister's government is on the verge of making a decision on a new fossil fueled power station at Peter head.  Last week the researchers at Carbon tracker revealed that the emissions from this power station could be five times worse than the companies that would profit from it have admitted the first Minister has the power to demand a new environmental impact assessment to make sure these companies come clean about the pollution their scheme would cause.. Will he do so and does he accept that until he does ministers could be breaking the law if they sign off this Reckless fossil fuel development?   

First Minister:  Presiding officer the application at Peter head is a live application and I would be breach I'd be breaching the ministerial code if I was to make any detailed comments about it there will be processes of scrutiny to be undertaken which ministers will undertake. uh   On the basis of the information and of course all decisions of this government uh can be the subject to Legal challenge because of the Constitution of this Parliament this government takes uh incredibly seriously the obligations that we have on tackling climate change uh.  The Net Zero secretary steered through Parliament on Tuesday the final stages of the climate change H targets bill and the government of course is considering all of the issues in relation to the tackling of climate change in the budget priorities that we take forward.   And I assure Mr Harvey of our absolute determination to do so no change of government in the United States is going to change this government's attitude about the imperative of addressing the climate emergency here.


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TᵢG
Professor Principal
1  seeder  TᵢG    14 hours ago
... congratulations to the convicted felon Donald Trump on his reelection ...

One might say we are the laughing stock of the world if this were not such a serious matter (for everyone).

Trump support is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2  seeder  TᵢG    3 hours ago

The Prime Minister is correct in that he has to find a way to work with Trump, he nonetheless also publicly recognized the abysmal choice of our electorate:

So whilst there are very clearly because of what I said before the presidential election uh very big real differences in expression and in priority and in way of life between me and Donald Trump I cannot deny the the existence of links between Scotland and the United States and regardless of the president presidential choice in the United States I want to maintain good relationships between Scotland and the United States.

Yeah, the USA really dealt us a bad hand with Trump, but it is my job to play it.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @2    2 hours ago

“…the USA really dealt us a bad hand with Trump, but it is my job to play it.”

Scotland does not have a large stake in the game, but his comments are certainly echoed across the table. The obvious autocratic players are all in. Here’s hoping those with a larger stake call the bluff and make trump show his hand and never fold, as he has an enormous tell. Let the chips fall where they may, as some are playing tiddlywinks…metaphor aside. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @2    an hour ago
The Prime Minister is correct in that he has to find a way to work with Trump

It was interesting that he didn't reject the characterization that Harvey makes of Trump in his response. He knows, as does everyone else in the world who doesn't have their head shoved up Donalds dirty balloon knot, that Trump is "a misogynist, a climate denier, a fraudster, a conspiracy monger, a racist, a far-right politician who tried to overturn an election result both covertly and by inciting violence". The Prime Minister is basically just resigned to working with the Mango Mussolini because the US is too important to ignore for four years and the only choice everyone has is to just grin and bear it and hope it's over quickly so we can all get on with our lives and forget about those fucking useless moron MAGA bigots and their fat King rat felon they mindlessly follow.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    3 hours ago

The left's one-trick pony died on Nov. 5th.  Flogging a dead carcass will only make the mess worse.  The odd thing about the wailing is that the left created the reasons out of whole cloth.  Yeah, Trump 45 could have been sold as an aberration.  But Trump 47 proves that the left's worldview is myopic, self-serving, and out of touch.  And the stench from their trick pony can't be ignored any longer.

Funny how these climate criers always demand that others fix the problem.  Shifting the burden is not an attempt to equitably solve the problem.  Climate science has only been about the money.  Money is always the topic of discussion.  And when munificent expectations remain unmet, the shrill threats to drown the puppies only grow louder.

The left doesn't want to cooperate.  The left only wants to dictate.  And the left wants to be carried piggy-back.  The left demonstrates that it's easy to snipe from the peanut gallery.  Too bad the left always screw up everything when they're in charge.  The left fears Trump because something might actually get done and the left may have to actually share the burden.  But they won't get any money for their hardship.

Scotland can't make up it's mind to be independent member of NATO, remain subject of the UK, or just gripe for the sake of griping.  One thing is for certain, money is of paramount importance in the halls of ministries in Edinburgh.  Culture be damned.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 hours ago

“Culture be damned.”

As some will damn our culture, our history, and our future in sycophantic support of one who has absolutely no understanding of these things in a purely puritanical effort to make it personal.

Putrid. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  afrayedknot @3.1    44 minutes ago
As some will damn our culture, our history, and our future in sycophantic support of one who has absolutely no understanding of these things in a purely puritanical effort to make it personal.

And what is our culture?  Eurocentric traditions have been deemed fascist.  Eurocentric traditions are only celebrated by a 'basket of deplorables', or, as Barack Obama stated it, "And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations".

And even more amazing is the left never, ever considered the possibility of a backlash.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1.1    19 minutes ago
And what is our culture?  Eurocentric traditions have been deemed fascist.  Eurocentric traditions are only celebrated by a 'basket of deplorables',

Why should America have special reverence for European traditions?   It wouldnt be because of race would it? 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.1.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1.1    13 minutes ago

“And what is our culture?”

Perhaps it lies in appreciation of the freedoms we collectively enjoy.

Certainly not in some bastardized notion of rugged, and in the next four years, ragged individualism. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    3 hours ago

...."I cannot deny the existence of links between Scotland and the United States and regardless of the president presidential choice in the United States I want to maintain good relationships between Scotland and the United States."

Yeah, that's what it basically boils down to. Aways try to deal with your friends and adversaries in a non-confrontational way, and it might end up with positive results. Continually raging on and on about the collective decision by a very diverse electorate is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic. Time for the lefties to grow up and do some critical thinking about the real reasons why the Dems lost this election so decisively.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @4    3 hours ago

And of course you ignore the point.

Trump is a disaster.   He is a national embarrassment.   World leaders do not respect the buffoon and are undoubtedly working through contingencies for the extemporaneous edicts that Trump will attempt while PotUS.

Supporting this abysmal character is unpatriotic, irrational, and irresponsible.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5  Sean Treacy    2 hours ago

Patrick Harvie  seems like an incredibly annoying person.  He’s exactly the type of hysterical moral scold that got trump elected. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    an hour ago

Not the point.   

The point is that Trump will be the face and voice of the USA and that world leaders will need to work around Trump's irrational demands and that they are all, quite likely, looking for ways to be less-dependent upon the USA given the American people have proven that we will irresponsibly elect an abysmal character, pathological liar, malignant narcissist, irresponsible, loose-cannon vindictive prick as our PotUS.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    an hour ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    an hour ago

Trump thinks he is the king of Canada now. 

Or is trolling the Canadian people, which is just as bad. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    an hour ago
Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
There’s nothing funny or clever about the President-elect repeatedly “joking” that Canada should become part of the United States. It's going to be four long years with this deranged buffoon in the White House
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    an hour ago
e the face and voice of the USA and that world leaders will need to work around Trump's irrational demands and that they are all, quite likely, are looking for ways to be less-depe

Some second tier government official insults his government for exercising basic politeness and somehow this is Trump's fault?

Yet again, American progressives will side with foreign leaders no matter how irrational or hostile so long as they  attack Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    an hour ago

There are millions of MAGA who side with Putin.  Who has Scotland killed lately? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    an hour ago

Far right nut case Candace Owens has publicly sided with Putin because she says Russia has more freedom for Christians than Ukraine, and , she says, Zelensky is a homosexual. 

Dont you ever wonder about the side you are on? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.7  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    47 minutes ago
... somehow this is Trump's fault?

Yes.   The criticism is spot on.   The fact that it is spot on is Trump's fault.

Do you recognize any faults of Trump?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    24 minutes ago

No, please leave those nice people alone

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    12 minutes ago
Who has Scotland killed lately? 

Lol.  A Scottish party leader threw a hissy fit about his government being polite. 

What does this have to do with Putin or killing anyone? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.7    11 minutes ago
   The criticism is spot on. 

Lol. Of course.  There's no insult, no pettiness from our supposed allies that a progressive won't justify.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    10 minutes ago
ight nut case Candace Owens has publicly sided with Putin because she says Russia has more freedom for Christians than Ukraine, and , she says, Zelensky is a homosexual.  Dont you ever wonder about the side you are on? 

WTF does any of this have to do with the scottish government simply offering perfunctory congratulation on  winning an election?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.12  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.10    5 minutes ago

You resort to making things personal in lieu of a rebuttal.

If Trump makes public, arrogant, ill-conceived demands of national leaders is it Trump's fault for doing so or do you merely blame his critics for daring to point out the obvious?

 
 

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