Trout Giggles

Is it too soon to talk about GoT Series Finale?

  
By:  Trout Giggles  •  pleasure  •  4 months ago  •  84 comments

Is it too soon to talk about GoT Series Finale?

"What the hell was that?" - Trout Giggles

Can we talk about it?

I'm a bit disappointed with the ending but we were warned that George RR Martin does not like happy endings.

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Trout Giggles
1  author  Trout Giggles    4 months ago

Seriously, Producers?????

That's what you leave us with?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    4 months ago

Thankfully, our Direct TV package doesn't include HBO, so I have missed all the fun and drama.

The worst ending of all time was the Sopranos.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 months ago
The worst ending of all time was the Sopranos.

In my opinion, Sopranos lost that title to Lost...

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.1    4 months ago

Something we can agree on.   Lost was the worst

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    4 months ago

I started to watch it, but the opening episode was so poorly done, I didn't return

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    4 months ago

Lost was beyond the worst. It was an insult to the viewers. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.5  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    4 months ago

I truly believe I am the only living person on Earth who actually liked the ending of Lost

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.5    4 months ago

I watched the first five episodes of lost and, saw where it was going and, decided not to watch it any longer.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.7  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1.6    4 months ago

It's on Hulu so I think I will watch it again. I'm a masochist

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    4 months ago

I knew it! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    4 months ago

I think what was said during the choosing of the new King defined the reaction they would receive from the ending they chose.

"A good compromise is when both parties are dissatisfied" (paraphrased).

I think the compromise was killing Dany, making Bran King instead of Jon and then sending Jon to the wall and Arya begins an adventure into the unknown. It doesn't make anyone happy, but it doesn't make everyone angry either.

It wouldn't be all that difficult for HBO to create a spin off series following Arya into the west which would get every GoT fan drooling with excitement. She might even find where Drogon flew off to to bury or hide Dany's body, perhaps exploring the origins of the dragons or finding a new clutch of eggs. The skies the limit with where they could go.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.1  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2    4 months ago

I'm kinda hoping for "Adventures with Arya" spin-off.

You're right about not making anyone happy. But the one I was really getting pissed at was Grey Worm. Like who died and made him King?

 
 
 
Uptownchick
1.2.2  Uptownchick  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    4 months ago

Have to agree with you TG...I see a spin-off with Arya. And, yeah...who the hell did Grey Worm think was? I would have been seriously pissed if they had him kill Tyrion!

Kind of saw it coming with Jon killing Daeny after she wouldn't listen to his anguish over her killing all the children and innocents. 

All in all, I'm okay, I guess, with how it ended. A lot of room for many spin-offs. Not sure I'm willing to keep paying for HBO to wait around for them though.

And totally agree with those that hated the end of LOST...that one sucked big time.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.3  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Uptownchick @1.2.2    4 months ago

I do like that Sansa became Queen of the North. That was fitting.

Ok...the ending didn't really suck, I just felt like everyone forgot who Jon really is. But he's back with Ghost and that's good

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.4  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.3    4 months ago

I'm not sure why they even bothered with that plot line about Jon's real origins, if they were just going to have him go back to the Wall anyway.  What was the point?  Just to add a little more incest?

 
 
 
Uptownchick
1.2.5  Uptownchick  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.3    4 months ago

I was happy Jon reunited with Ghost, I didn't like how he left him the way he did.

 
 
 
Uptownchick
1.2.6  Uptownchick  replied to  katrix @1.2.4    4 months ago

The incest parts of the show were creepy...imo. But, somebody had to get rid of the Mad Queen and who better than her nephew? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @1.2.4    4 months ago
I'm not sure why they even bothered with that plot line about Jon's real origins, if they were just going to have him go back to the Wall anyway. 

And very odd that during the discussion of who should be King not a single mention of the fact that Jon is the rightful heir.   Not even from Sam or Bran.   Very artificial.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.8  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.7    4 months ago

I know right? I thought for sure Samwell would speak up about Jon being the rightful heir

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
1.2.9  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.3    4 months ago

Started a bastard on the wall and finished a bastard on the wall. 

Let's face it, the ending sucked. Not so much where everyone ended up though. Everyone has pretty well known, since the battle of the bastards, that Sansa would be Queen in the North. Everyone has known, or should have, that Arya would head West, as she has said as much in the past, particularly to the actress. And Jon? Maester Aemon's words were in vein, if Jon wasn't going to forego his birthright for duty. 

Delivery? That's something else. I feel like a kid, at a fancy gathering, to celebrate my birthday, only to watch the cake get dropped on the floor. I knew the cake was coming, when the time came for delivery, it was rushed, and the guys carrying the cake tripped over their own feet, throwing it to the floor. Happy birthday. 

That's my problem. Not with the story, but with the delivery. I'm eating cake that has been thrown to the floor, and trampled. 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
1.2.10  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Transyferous Rex @1.2.9    4 months ago

This fails to mention the fact that the bastards that decorated the cake spelled my name incorrectly. Fuckers. 

I will say that last night's episode was the mercy the hound was begging Arya for.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.11  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.7    4 months ago
And very odd that during the discussion of who should be King not a single mention of the fact that Jon is the rightful heir.   Not even from Sam or Bran.   Very artificial.

Yeah, I kinda see that.

There was certainly a case to be made that Jon didn't kill the queen, but rather a knowing usurper of the throne.  I would have expected Sam to make that case.  I would have expected Bran to know how it would come out and not bother one way or the other.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.11    4 months ago

It was a negotiated settlement, and Grey Worm was in the strongest position militarily. It seems pretty obvious he would never have agreed to a settlement that put a regicide on the throne. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    4 months ago
But the one I was really getting pissed at was Grey Worm. Like who died and made him King?

LMAO, tell me about it. He with the biggest army wins?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @1.2.4    4 months ago
I'm not sure why they even bothered with that plot line about Jon's real origins, if they were just going to have him go back to the Wall anyway.  What was the point? 

So totally true. I didn't get that either. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.15  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Uptownchick @1.2.5    4 months ago
I was happy Jon reunited with Ghost, I didn't like how he left him the way he did.

My daughter said the same thing.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.12    4 months ago
It was a negotiated settlement, and Grey Worm was in the strongest position militarily. It seems pretty obvious he would never have agreed to a settlement that put a regicide on the throne.

Maybe.  

I would have expected some discussion about it, though.  They may just not have had time.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.17  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @1.2.4    4 months ago
I'm not sure why they even bothered with that plot line about Jon's real origins, if they were just going to have him go back to the Wall anyway.  What was the point?  Just to add a little more incest?

Because one of the great mysteries of the series has been "who is this guy...really?"

From episode 1, it was obvious he wasn't really Ned Stark's bastard.  Of all the men in the series, the one who was absolutely never in any universe under any conditions going to father a bastard was Eddard Stark.  Ned Stark actually having a bastard son is much more implausible than Danerys torching a city full of innocent people.

Secondly, once it becomes known that he's the rightful heir, the plot thickens immensely about who will end up sitting on the Iron Throne.

I thought it was great.

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.18  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.17    4 months ago

Good point ... except that makes me wonder about something else.  If all the undead are ... dead .... then why is the Night Watch even needed?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.19  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @1.2.18    4 months ago

One word

Wildlings

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.20  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.19    4 months ago

I had thought of that, but they just don't seem a big enough threat to require the Night Watch. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.21  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @1.2.20    4 months ago

Uh....they breed.

 
 
 
Uptownchick
1.2.22  Uptownchick  replied to  katrix @1.2.20    4 months ago

Wasn't it the Wildlings Jon and Ghost rode off with in the final scene? That could make for an interesting spin-off but I've heard Kit Harrington doesn't want to do anymore GoT jrSmiley_74_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.23  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Uptownchick @1.2.22    4 months ago

That's ok just as long as we have the ginger haired Tormund Giantsbane

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.2.24  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2    4 months ago
It wouldn't be all that difficult for HBO to create a spin off series following Arya into the west which would get every GoT fan drooling with excitement. She might even find where Drogon flew off to to bury or hide Dany's body, perhaps exploring the origins of the dragons or finding a new clutch of eggs. The skies the limit with where they could go.

I like the idea of Arya the pirate.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.2.25  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  katrix @1.2.4    4 months ago
Just to add a little more incest?

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    4 months ago

A whirlwind wrap-up.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @1.3    4 months ago

Yup

 
 
 
TᵢG
2  TᵢG    4 months ago

It is known that the writers did not want to go for the full 10 seasons that HBO was willing to fund.   My take is that the last three episodes were written with a short-termer mindset (like an employee after given notice).   Rushed and not great quality.   But the only problem was the writing - the rest of the production was as high quality as the prior 7 seasons.

Still, my biggest complaint is the inexplicable killing of the oppressed people of King's Landing.   They hated Cersei.   They did not even know Daeny.   Daeny had always freed the oppressed yet in this case, with the battle won and the city intact, she destroys the city and the people for no reason.   

Then, to make matters worse rather than explain why Daeny did this, in her speech to her followers after the carnage she praises them for freeing the people of King's Landing.   The oppressed people she just burned alive.

Gonna use this again since it it perfect:

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2    4 months ago

And she was going to take on the rest of the world.

She had to die

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    4 months ago

I agree, once they turned her into a lunatic she had to go.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @2    4 months ago
Still, my biggest complaint is the inexplicable killing of the oppressed people of King's Landing. 

I think that was to show that Daeny was no different than her lineage, even if we were lead to believe something different.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @2    4 months ago
It is known that the writers did not want to go for the full 10 seasons that HBO was willing to fund.   My take is that the last three episodes were written with a short-termer mindset (like an employee after given notice).   Rushed and not great quality.   But the only problem was the writing - the rest of the production was as high quality as the prior 7 seasons.

I agree, but I think the reason they were rushed is the problem all great TV series eventually face... keeping the actors locked down.  They are all in very high demand for even more lucrative projects.  

Still, my biggest complaint is the inexplicable killing of the oppressed people of King's Landing.   They hated Cersei.   They did not even know Daeny.   Daeny had always freed the oppressed yet in this case, with the battle won and the city intact, she destroys the city and the people for no reason. 

She's been evolving into a despot for several seasons.  She has been driven by emotion and making poor decisions for quite some time now.  She said ahead of the battle she didn't care about the people of King's Landing, and that they were basically a price to be paid to "rid the world of tyrants"...which is a phrase commonly used by tyrants.

Then, to make matters worse rather than explain why Daeny did this, in her speech to her followers after the carnage she praises them for freeing the people of King's Landing.   The oppressed people she just burned alive.

Not only burned.  She loosed her army upon them to do all of the terrible things armies do to pillaged cities.  Jon interrupted a rape last week.

I had a bit of complaint with the consistency of how the Dothraki were annihilated in their Charge of the Light Brigade at the battle at Winterfell, but suddenly have repopulated to participate in the sacking of the Red Keep.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.1  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @2.3    4 months ago

Also, the actors were aging out of their roles.  Jon and Rob were supposed to be something like 13 or 14 at the start of the show (in the books).  Even though they aged the kids up by a few years (Arya was 8 or 9 in the first book), time is passing.  Winter is coming.  Or is it?  Nobody seems to have made many preparations for a 30 year winter ...

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

I was very satisfied with the finale. I thought the writers spent in incredible amount of time and found the best solution to end.

Well done!

 
 
 
evilgenius
4  evilgenius    4 months ago

It was interesting. I'd have liked it if either Jon was killed by the dragon or got on it and flew away. Otherwise meh. Onto the next series... 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.1  1stwarrior  replied to  evilgenius @4    4 months ago

Yup - they're starting to seriously advertise Westworld III - not too sure 'bout that one though.

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1    4 months ago

I saw that. I saw the first season. I may have to binge the second season OR pick up seasons 1 & 2 on bluray.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @4.1.1    4 months ago

So far, I really like "Westworld."  People don't take AI seriously enough and I think this is an excellent cautionary tale. Not that anyone will take heed. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1    4 months ago

You know that's a remake, right?  

The original starred Yul Brynner back in the 70's.

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    4 months ago

There is a new show coming out this fall called neXt on Fox about an Alexa like AI that is self evolving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAoNVJcgms

If you haven't seen Person of Interest yet that show is incredible. Especially the later seasons.

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.5  evilgenius  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.3    4 months ago

Yes. Westworld came out in 1973, written and directed by Michael Crichton. The sequel Futureworld came out in 1976.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5  1stwarrior    4 months ago

So, Jon kisses Dany, inserts dagger blade in her heart, Drogon burns the shyte outta everything, picks up Dany, flies her out over the ocean and maybe dumps the body.

Grey Mouth, in his accusations against Jon, states, empathically, that Jon stabbed Dany in the heart with his dagger in the throne room.

Hmmmmm - no one was there 'cept Jon and Dany - then Drogon shows up with his bad breath - where was Grey Mouth????  Wandering the hallways, so how would he know what happened?

Not satisfied - way too many missing parts/plot angles.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @5    4 months ago
in his accusations against Jon, states, empathically, that Jon stabbed Dany in the heart with his dagger in the throne room. Hmmmmm - no one was there 'cept Jon and Dany

I think they implied of Jon's honor that he would have left the room and immediately told Grey Worm what he'd just done and that Drogon had taken the body. It wouldn't be in his nature to have lied about it.

 
 
 
Snuffy
5.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    4 months ago
I think they implied of Jon's honor that he would have left the room and immediately told Grey Worm what he'd just done and that Drogon had taken the body. It wouldn't be in his nature to have lied about it.

Considering how Grey Worm treated the other "enemies" of Dany in Kings Landing, it would have made more sense for him to have immediately killed Jon rather than capture and confine him. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  1stwarrior @5    4 months ago

I totally agree with you 1st. Also, how did all the ruling families gather so instantaneously? Don't they live weeks away from each other my horse or sea? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    4 months ago

There was a comment about it being weeks since the death of Danys.. don't remember what specifically but it was made explicit. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.1    4 months ago
don't remember what specifically but it was made explicit. 

It was Tyrion who states that he "had a lot of time to think over the last few weeks" when making the case for Bran to be King.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.2.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2.2    4 months ago

I just read on Tinder they are reporting huge swipes for midget profiles.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.2.3    4 months ago
I just read on Tinder

You read Tinder?

Besides, the word 'midget' is offensive. There may have been small swipes for bearded dwarf profiles, but that's as far as I'd be willing to claim...

 
 
 
Snuffy
5.2.5  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2.4    4 months ago

Oh come on,  he was no longer the "imp".  His new title is "the tallest lannister"

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.6  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.5    4 months ago

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TᵢG
5.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    4 months ago

Look at the beard growth.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.3  Jack_TX  replied to  1stwarrior @5    4 months ago
Wandering the hallways, so how would he know what happened?

Had not thought of that until just now.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
5.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  1stwarrior @5    4 months ago

Maybe the dragon ate her, ya know, took her for a snack on his trip to wherever he was going.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

I thought the finale was fine, certainly not great but not nearly as bad as some of the more severe critics have claimed.  The years of murders, wars and executions had narrowed the endless possibilities of the beginning of the story  to only a few few plausible options for the ending. 

The characters remained true to themselves and the ending was plausible.   That's what I was looking for. 

Honestly, the biggest issue with the plot I thought was the other six kingdoms simply letting the North go. I also would have been curious to know how Tyrion managed to get Bronn appointed Lord of Highgarden. Hard to see why Bran would have gone along with that.   

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    4 months ago

Bronn was given Highgarden in Book 5 - just can't remember the circumstances, but had to do with stabbing someone else in the back to please Cersei.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1    4 months ago

Found it - "Following Jaime's abandonment of his queen, sister and lover, Cersei, she tasks Bronn with the assassination of her treacherous brothers, but he instead negotiates with them in the event that Daenerys wins the war. Bronn becomes the new Lord of Highgarden and Lord Paramount of the Reach under King Brandon I Stark, fulfilling Tyrion's promises and debts."

Tyrion then reminds Bronn of their business arrangement years earlier and promises to give him Highgarden after Daenerys defeats Cersei. Jaime refuses to do so, claiming the castle will never belong to a cutthroat, until Bronn nearly shoots him in the head with Joffrey's crossbow, reminding him that all the Great Houses were founded by such people. Once Tyrion assures him he'll receive his payment, Bronn agrees to the deal and leaves, promising to return when the war ends and warning them not to die along the way.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

I miss the dragon and the one eared dire wolf already.  I'm also still very upset that Khalesi wasn't a natural blonde.

Hep me .....hep me

 
 
 
Ender
7.1  Ender  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7    4 months ago

The eyebrows were a giveaway.

 
 
 
lady in black
8  lady in black    4 months ago

I had no problem with the ending.  I don't look at the "banishment" of Jon as a true banishment.  He didn't want the throne, he hated the political bs, he is free to live his life not under anyone's rules.  If he gets married and has children so what....who is going to go that far north to check up on him.  The unsullied left and are probably all going to die on Naath from butterfly disease.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.1  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @8    4 months ago

Butterfly disease???

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

What is that?

 
 
 
lady in black
8.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    4 months ago

Butterfly fever

The so-called   butterfly fever   is a disease native to the isle of   Naath . It is believed to be transmitted by the local butterflies, particularly a large black-and-white variety with wings as big as a man's hand, according to Archmaester   Ebrose . Even though the Naathi themselves are immune to this sickness, all outsiders who remain too long on Naath fall prey to it. [1]

Symptoms

Fever is the first sign of the disease, followed by painful spasms that make the victims seem to be dancing wildly and uncontrollably. In the last stage, those afflicted sweat blood, and their flesh sloughs from their bones. [1]

History

Ghiscari   seize the islands in the times of the   Old Empire   thrice. The Valyrians erected a fort of fused   dragonstone   whose walls survive to the present, a company of   Volantene   adventurers once built a trade town with timber palisades and slave pens, corsairs of the   Basilisk Isles   have landed on Naath countless times. All of these invaders fell to the plague. [1]   Likewise, when   Nymeria 's   Rhoynar   landed on the island, they too fell to the disease, even though they had been welcome with open arms by the Naathi. [2]

However, corsairs long ago learned that the chances of dying of butterfly fever are low as long as they do not remain on the islands for more than a few hours, and lower still if they land at night, as the butterflies that carry it are day creatures. Thus, slavers often attack Naath during the dark of night, forcing the Naathi inland. [1]

References

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.1.2  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @8.1.1    4 months ago

I apologize, I thought you made that up.

I have read all the books but I don't remember which book this is in.

 
 
 
lady in black
8.1.3  lady in black  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.2    4 months ago

No apology necessary :) 

 
 
 
Ender
8.2  Ender  replied to  lady in black @8    4 months ago

What I din't get, why punish the man for doing what they all wanted done.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.1  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @8.2    4 months ago

Yeah.

But....he's back as the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. It's where he's meant to be

 
 
 
Jack_TX
8.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @8.2    4 months ago
What I din't get, why punish the man for doing what they all wanted done.

They didn't all want it.  

She had a lot of very loyal followers, as all tyrants do.

 
 
 
Ender
8.2.3  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.2.1    4 months ago

I also thought it was odd they went through the gate to get to the other side of the wall.

I thought the ice dragon blew a hole in it. They could have just walked through that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.4  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @8.2.3    4 months ago

The dragon blew the hole at Eastwatch. They were at Castle Black when they went north at the end

 
 
 
lady in black
8.2.5  lady in black  replied to  Ender @8.2    4 months ago

To appease Grey Worm so he wouldn't start another war

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.6  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @8.2.5    4 months ago

Grey Worm can kiss my ass. I really began disliking that guy when he just started murdering people for no reason

 
 
 
lady in black
8.2.7  lady in black  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.2.6    4 months ago

He did it on Dany's orders.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.8  author  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @8.2.7    4 months ago

I'd tell her to kiss my ass, too, but....