GOP Sen. Sasse defies Trump with scathing argument against fighting Biden's election certification
By: VLongobardo (Occupy Democrats)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
If there has been one happy consequence to the otherwise disastrous presidency of Donald Trump, it has been that Trump's ideological takeover of the Republican Party has transformed it and may eventually lead to its fracturing and ultimate demise.
With Trump's noisily belligerent departure from the White House imminent, those few GOP politicians who retain a conscience and a soul are beginning to speak up as the exiting president's power to control their political futures ebbs away.
The split between those Republicans who are willing to continue to support Trump's seditious campaign to overturn the confirmed election results and those who see the danger in undermining the fundamentals of our democracy are causing a schism in the GOP that won't be easily mended.
Count Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE) among those who refuse to jump on the Trump treason train.
Sasse took to social media last night to condemn those fellow Republicans who are planning to object to the certification of President-elect Joe Biden's Electoral College votes on January 6th.
In a lengthy, over 2,000 word post on Facebook, Senator Sasse provided his constituents and the rest of the American public with a primer on what will happen on January 6th, and refuting Joe Biden's election victory was nowhere to be found in his explanation.
Sasse used the post to explain why he decided not to join Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) in objecting to the certification of the electoral college results.
"Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election - and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy," the Nebraska Senator began.
"Every public official has a responsibility to tell the truth, and here's what I think the truth is - about our duties on January 6th, about claims of election fraud, and about what it takes to keep a republic," he continued.
Add your name to tell Trump: You Lost! Concede! Senator Sasse then poses a series of questions and answers that detail his reasoning in a way that ensures that he won't be subject to the charges of sedition being lobbed at his less democratically-minded GOP colleagues.
"1. IS THERE A CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR CONGRESS TO DISMISS ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES? Yes. A member of the House and the Senate can object and, in order for the vote(s) in question to be dismissed, both chambers must vote to reject those votes. But is it wise? Is there any real basis for it here? Absolutely not. Since the Electoral College Act of 1887 was passed into law in the aftermath of the Civil War, not a single electoral vote has ever been thrown out by the Congress. (One goofy senator attempted this maneuver after George W. Bush won reelection in 2004, but her anti-democratic play was struck down by her Senate colleagues in a shaming vote of 74-1.)"
Basing his argument here on both practicality and principle, Sasse wisely tries to manage the expectations of the fanatical Trump supporters among his readers. He then continues on, refuting the central claim of massive voter fraud that Donald Trump has ceaselessly proclaimed since before the first ballot was even cast, including point by point rebuttals with media citations for each swing state that the defeated president is contesting.
"2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION? No. For President-Elect Biden's 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. But given that I was not a Trump voter in either 2016 or 2020 (I wrote in Mike Pence in both elections), I understand that many Trump supporters will not want to take my word for it. So, let's look at the investigations and tireless analysis from Andy McCarthy over at National Review. McCarthy has been a strong, consistent supporter of President Trump, and he is also a highly regarded federal prosecutor. Let's run through the main states where President Trump has claimed widespread fraud: * In Pennsylvania, Team Trump is right that lots went wrong. Specifically, a highly partisan state supreme court rewrote election law in ways that are contrary to what the legislature had written about the deadline for mail-in ballots - this is wrong. But Biden won Pennsylvania by 81,000 votes - and there appear to have been only 10,000 votes received and counted after election day. So even if every one of these votes were for Biden and were thrown out, they would not come close to affecting the outcome. Notably, Stephanos Bibas (a Trump appointee) of the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals, ruled against the president's lawsuit to reverse Biden's large victory, writing in devastating fashion: "calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here." * In Michigan, which Biden won by 154,000 votes, the Trump team initially claimed generic fraud statewide - but with almost no particular claims, so courts roundly rejected suit after suit. The Trump team then objected to a handful of discrepancies in certain counties and precincts, some more reasonable than others. But for the sake of argument, let's again assume that every single discrepancy was resolved in the president's favor: It would potentially amount to a few thousand votes and not come anywhere close to changing the state's result. * In Arizona, a federal judge jettisoned a lawsuit explaining that "allegations that find favor in the public sphere of gossip and innuendo cannot be a substitute for earnest pleadings and procedure in federal court," she wrote. "They most certainly cannot be the basis for upending Arizona's 2020 General Election." Nothing presented in court was serious, let alone providing a basis for overturning an election. ( https://www.azcentral.com/…/federal-judge…/6506927002) * In Nevada, there do appear to have been some irregularities - but the numbers appear to have been very small relative to Biden's margin of victory. It would be useful for there to be an investigation into these irregularities, but a judge rejected the president's suit because the president's lawyers "did not prove under any standard of proof" that enough illegal votes were cast, or legal votes not counted, "to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election." ( https://www.8newsnow.com/…/judge-no-evidence-to…/) * In Wisconsin, as McCarthy has written, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled against President Trump, suggesting that President-Elect Biden's recorded margin of victory (about 20,000 votes) was probably slightly smaller in fact, but even re-calculating all of the votes in question in a generously pro-Trump way would not give the president a victory in the state. ( https://www.nationalreview.com/…/biden-won-wisconsin…/) * In Georgia, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation complete audit of more than 15,000 votes found one irregularity - a situation where a woman illegally signed both her and her husband's ballot envelopes. At the end of the day, one of the President Trump's strongest supporters, his own Attorney General, Bill Barr, was blunt: "We have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election." ( https://apnews.com/…/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud…)"
Senator Sasse is providing the difficult truths that many Trump supporters — indeed, including the lame-duck himself — refuse to acknowledge despite the evidence presented. He then went on to savage Trump's legal team and his continuing bleating about a "stolen" election.
"3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?" "I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public - for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores - and what President Trump's lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that's not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president's lawyers know that - and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here's the heart of this whole thing: this isn't really a legal strategy - it's a fundraising strategy." "Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they're contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they're mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That's not serious governing. It's swampy politics - and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks."
It's rare for a Sitting Republican Senator to call out the party leader's essential corruption and deceptive fund-raising practices, so kudos to Senator Sasse for having the courage to be so blunt in his characterization of the strategy behind the president's post-election fund-raising efforts. In the remainder of his post, Senator Sasse reveals that he hasn't "heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent - not one."
"Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will "look" to President Trump's most ardent supporters," Sasse confesses while throwing his GOP colleagues under the bus.
We will let the Nebraska Senator's conclusion of his post speak for itself as his vision of the path forward from where we are today.
"…WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? The president and his allies are playing with fire. They have been asking - first the courts, then state legislatures, now the Congress - to overturn the results of a presidential election. They have unsuccessfully called on judges and are now calling on federal officeholders to invalidate millions and millions of votes. If you make big claims, you had better have the evidence. But the president doesn't and neither do the institutional arsonist members of Congress who will object to the Electoral College vote. Let's be clear what is happening here: We have a bunch of ambitious politicians who think there's a quick way to tap into the president's populist base without doing any real, long-term damage. But they're wrong - and this issue is bigger than anyone's personal ambitions. Adults don't point a loaded gun at the heart of legitimate self-government. We have a deep cancer in American politics right now: Both Republicans and Democrats are growing more distrustful of the basic processes and procedures that we follow. Some people will respond to these arguments by saying: "The courts are just in the tank for Democrats!" And indeed the President has been tweeting that "the courts are bad" (and the Justice Department, and more). That's an example of the legitimacy crisis so many of us have been worried about. Democrats spent four years pretending Trump didn't win the election, and now (shocker) a good section of Republicans are going to spend the next four years pretending Biden didn't win the election. All the clever arguments and rhetorical gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that this January 6th effort is designed to disenfranchise millions of Americans simply because they voted for someone in a different party. We ought to be better than that. If we normalize this, we're going to turn American politics into a Hatfields and McCoys endless blood feud - a house hopelessly divided. America has always been fertile soil for groupthink, conspiracy theories, and showmanship. But Americans have common sense. We know up from down, and if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. We need that common sense if we're going to rebuild trust. It won't be easy, but it's hardly beyond our reach. And it's what self-government requires. It's part of how, to recall Benjamin Franklin, we struggle to do right by the next generation and 'keep a republic.'"
Those are pretty harsh words about the state of partisan politics coming from a man whose party has abandoned the democratic principles that he thought were the entire point of our government. As Senator Sasse says, "We ought to be better than that."
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He sounds like a wise man. So good luck on trying to explain to trmp supporters on why he isn't supporting Josh Hawley
it's the beginning of the republican rush to fill the moderate vacuum on the right. this guy is gambling while the other gutless cowards that still think trump could actually overturn the election wait, just in case.
I read an article that said Hawley has presidential ambitions.
Yeah, good luck with that...
He will make a damn fool of himself next Wednesday and he will be lucky if he gets re-elected.
As does Mike Pence.
Probably doesn't matter who they nominate though...as more and more information comes out about what Trump (and most other Republicans) did) my guess is that we're going to see a long stretch of Democratic dominance in gov't.
One of the few Republican politicians with the backbone to speak up against Trump and his BS.
I figure the republicans are going to somewhat resemble themselves soon. After all, they have to remember to all come together and somehow be deficit hawks again now that they are not in complete control. It takes them all coming together to make sure Biden cannot do anything.
donald will be secondary to their hatred of 'left leaning' people and policy.
And mitch will be stomping his feet like a toddler, No, no, no!
Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?
At least there is one semi sane Republican left...
That's dead. The GOP and the trump cultists are now two separate parties. The trump cult is 100% fascists, they want it their way even if it means having a dictator.
Probably a few (albeit a small minority). After all, republicans were the creators of The Lincoln Project.
Too much, too little, too late . . .
GOP - Gassy Old Politicians
Amazing that these idiots can live in such a fact free conspiracy theory. Literally no proof of voter fraud, (except the 4 cases where trump voters were caught), yet they plow forward spewing forth the same lies trump has used and not a fucking one of them have bothered to ask trump for some proof. Why not? Because if they find out there is no proof or evidence, they will have to accept the fact that trump lied to them.....again.
This is where I'm going to have to disagree with Sasse. Democrats stated that the Russians attempted to interfere with the 2016 election, which they did, and that there was a campaign of misinformation favoring Trump that led up to the 2016 election, and there demonstrably was. Democrats in general never said he didn't win. This comes across as an attempt by Sasse to blame Dems, acting like all the bullshit we're watching unfold now is just paybacks. It's not. Dems as a party never did anything in regards to the 2016 election that rises to the level of what Republican Party leaders are doing right now.
Sasse is right about Trump, of course. But trying to make this a "both sides" issue is engaging in false equivalency.
I agree. The Dems did not spend four years saying he didn't win. That is complete fabrication.
Now talking about how he won, is a different animal.
... he's still required to patronize the they do it too base.
If my constituents are dumb enough to believe all the nonsense, then by God I will feed it to them...
Trump would call those "sincere people" suckers and losers for not realizing they're being fooled and used. He doesn't care about these folk, he was glad Covid hit so he didn't have to shake any more of their hands. Like oblivious cows walking down the ramp to slaughter these "sincere people" are beyond gullible and it's truly sad to watch. The question is, what will wake them up from their right wing media drugged stupor? I honestly don't know the answer since giving them facts and truth doesn't seem to work at all, they've had their anti-reality immune system built up so that truth and facts no longer have any power over them, they are completely addicted to 'alternative facts' which is exactly how the slaughterhouse owners want it.
I'd love to believe Sasse is a principled man. But I have a hard time imagining a "principled Republican".
OTOH, it's not too hard to imagine someone staking out the Ed Brooke segment...
I agree with his words just written, but WTF people, where was he for the LAST FOUR YEARS,??/ and as Sandy had stated, there is NO EQUIVALENCY to what the Dems did in and since 2016 to what Trump and the LYING GOP are DOING ! The entire party, is a party that would put their OWN political futures above WHAT OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR.....??????? This faux reality of an alternate universe with alternate facts is beyond comprehension for any sane thinking individuals. I hope the Party self implodes on its' self, removes all of its' members wealth, and they go stealth, as in a way and never to be heard from again, cause it is beyond shameful that , with the exception of Mitt, NO ONE CALLED OUT THIS FAT POS potUS ! He and the entire party deserve to live a slow and torturous existence for the rest of their dam days. Sasse is real brave , with 3 weeks left for Trump, but where was his spine the last 5 years.; Where were any of the GOP, besides worrying only bout me oh my oh ME! Scum, pure yellow snow while they blow out to SEE what they've done by not speaking out or up , against Trumpp, the worst thing to happen to this country since, ah, i guess, since the last damn Civil War.
Calm!
They're all dicks.
They're trying to position themselves. As if the Republican base has any idea who they are...
A 'liberal' Republican? Are there any moderate Republicans left?
Imo not as long as McConnell is in charge. The idiot actually said this...
Didn't they lower the income limit so only couples under $90,000 get the check? Do these millionaires think that $90,000 a year is rich?
I thought it was &150,000?
of course it could change without notice, I suppose...
Thought so. Thanks
Hawley wants to run for President. So does Sasse. This sets up a distinction between the two of them that they can campaign on. That said, Hawley knows full-well his position is based on falsehoods, but he wants to score points with the hard-core Trumpist base. Sasse has occasionally strayed from Trumpist orthodoxy. That will not help him with the Trumpists.
Tom Cotton also wants to run for President. It will be interesting to see how he tries to maneuver between Hawley and Sasse. Rubio wants to run for President again, too.
If Trump doesn't run in 2024, will there be a battle between Don Jr. and Ivanka?
Pence's future with the Trumpists will be determined on Jan.6th. If he doesn't make a move to appease Trump, his fate will be sealed. Fly, and all.
remember, the republican presidential campaign for 2024 officially starts in less than a month.
The Republican 2024 presidential campaign is already on.
exactly, I fixed my comment.
Breaking news: Perdue goes into quarantine after campaign member tests positive for Covid-19.
Fake play for sympathy in his re-election effort?
Maybe he's just trying to hide from Trump.
he really needs to be out there pressing the unmasked flesh right up to runoff day.
Perdue bailed on the last debate with Jon Ossoff after he had his ass handed to him in the first debate.
He is worth nearly $16 million, but still felt the need to capitalize on the illness and death of United States citizens. He deserves what he has coming.
All is Sasse needs to say is "This is what Democrats do when they lose." Because that they've done every time they've lost an election this century.
Knowing Democrats have done this every single time they've lost a Presidential election since Gore makes some of the comments to this article absolutely hilarious.
That's false.
"Today we are witnessing Democracy at work. This isn’t as some of our Republican colleagues have referred to it, sadly, as frivolous. This debate is fundamental to our democracy.” The representatives of the American people in this house are standing up for three fundamental American beliefs: The right to vote is sacred; that a representative has a duty to represent his or her constituents; and that the rule of law is the hallmark of our nation.”
Nancy Pelosi, defending Democrats doing what Hawley wants to do...
And then we find a bit more detail about that objection:
Yet Hawley et al are intent on disenfranchising millions of voters.
Hawley is the Senator from Missouri, not any of the other states that he intends to object to.
Hawley isn't following the law.
Those republicans, except for those on the Lincoln Project, who are now going against Trump are just covering their own inept asses. They should have spoken up years ago but wanted to stay on the good side of Boss Hogg.
It's being said that 130 to 140 Republicans in Congress and a handful of Senate Republicans are going to vote that the election was illegitimate. So if they really believe that is true then that would mean that their election was illegitimate as well. How many assholes will resign their seat to uphold the so called principle that they believe in?
My guess is that not one of these assholes will resign their seats.