How can you have a heart beat without a viable heart? or brain?
but at 6 weeks there is no heart, it’s electrical activity which is why most people don’t announce until 12 weeks bc not all electrical activity means this baby is going to be a full term baby.
But what exactly do we mean when we talk about a "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks of pregnancy? Although some people might picture a heart -shaped organ beating inside a fetus, this is not the case.
Rather, at six weeks of pregnancy , an ultrasound can detect "a little flutter in the area that will become the future heart of the baby," said Dr. Saima Aftab, medical director of the Fetal Care Center at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami. This flutter happens because the group of cells that will become the future "pacemaker" of the heart gain the capacity to fire electrical signals, she said.
https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html
The embryo at 6 weeks is the size of a pea. is less than 0.2 inches ( 0.4 cm ) and weighs between 0.1 and 0.3 grams.
I also strongly disagree with the 6 weeks and don’t understand the reasoning by the state to reduce the time frame set in RoevsWade of 24 weeks, again keep in mind abortions that are allowed would have to show that it isn’t a viable pregnancy or the mothers life / body is endangered by the pregnancy but sometimes that evidence doesn’t show up until several weeks later.
Most heart defects won’t show up until 10-13 weeks, most other abnormalities aren’t detected before week 10.
Fetal Heart Defects
Congenital heart lesions are very common and affect approximately 1 in every 100 babies born. The severity of these heart lesions ranges from very minor to more complex, serious problems.
The ideal time to scan the fetal heart is after 23 weeks. However, routine scanning is usually done at the 18-20 week scan because some management options –like terminating a pregnancy — are more difficult after 20 weeks gestation.
At 20 weeks, the heart is about the size of your thumbnail and has a lot of growing to do before birth. Therefore, it is not surprising that some fetal heart problems will not be evident at the 18-20 week routine scan. Under optimal imaging conditions, many of the major anomalies can be suspected.
https://www.sogiscan.com.au/service/fetal-echocardiograph/
Roe V Wade
But, the Court found, it is not up to the states to decide when life begins:
"[W]e do not agree that, by adopting one theory of life, Texas may override the rights of the pregnant woman that are at stake."
However, as we mentioned above, the Court did not agree that the Constitution guarantees an absolute right to an abortion. In other words, the privacy right does not prevent states from putting some regulations on abortion.
The Court created a framework to balance the state's interests with women's privacy rights. Acknowledging that the rights of pregnant women may conflict with the rights of the state to protect potential human life, the Court defined the rights of each party by dividing pregnancy into three 12-week trimesters:
- During a pregnant woman's first trimester, the Court held, a state cannot regulate abortion beyond requiring that the procedure be performed by a licensed doctor in medically safe conditions.
- During the second trimester, the Court held, a state may regulate abortion if the regulations are reasonably related to the health of the pregnant woman.
- During the third trimester of pregnancy, the state's interest in protecting the potential human life outweighs the woman's right to privacy. As a result, the state may prohibit abortions unless abortion is necessary to save the life or health of the mother.
In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
Miscarriage.
Miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week . About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher because many miscarriages occur so early in pregnancy that a woman doesn't realize she's pregnant .
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298
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This shouldn't be a political issue if you are sincere.
It's simple really: at 6 weeks, there is no formed, functional "heart," or any other organ for that matter. Claiming there's a "heartbeat" is just an appeal to emotion. It's not even a heartbeat that determines if one is alive. Rather, it's about brain function, which an embryo does not have either. I have yet to see an anti-abortionist come up with an objective, rational reason to prohibit abortion. Instead, they disingenuously try to play on people's emotions.
When you don't have scientific facts to back up your position you have to rely on emotion
True, and we routinely "pull the plug" on brain dead people with beating hearts.
the Bible says life begins with the first breath and ends with the last.
So many contradictions to live with.
There's plenty of scientific facts available and I've pointed it out in past discussions. They simply do not want to hear it because it challenges their own bias and beliefs. So they maintain their lies and misinformation in a dishonest attempt to sway others. It's a slimy and dishonest tactic.
That doesn't prevent them from twisting some narrative to suit their own agenda. Such tactics are quite transparent.
They just need to be honest with themselves and others and admit that there is no logic or reasoning behind their anti-choicer beliefs. Just simply admit that they "feel" abortion is wrong.
Except they're generally not honest. Never have been when it comes to abortion. Feelings is all they go by. But few will simply leave it at that.
that will probably get edited out of the next version...
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Correct, it is the electrical activity that starts when 2 endocardial tubes begin to fuse; there is no sound,
it's just an emotional description, not a scientific one.
Pro-lifers have ultra-ears, they can hear sperm wading up fallopian tubes 160-180 splashes per minute all the time yelling "Honey, I'm home!"
When I was pregnant with the first one, they didn't even do a fetal heart rate measurement until I was about 16 weeks. I could hear it (they amplified it) and it amazed me! But this was a wanted child, too.
There is no "baby" and there is no "heart." Cardiac muscle is forming and can "beat" in response to an electrical impulse. That can be replicated in a petri dish too. But the heart is not fully formed or functional.
Emotional claptrap.
I'll let the ladies take this one. Pretty sure everyone knows my feelings and apparently I am already racking up suspension points [removed]
don't feel like the lone ranger... I got popped on a 4 day old comment on a seed that was locked 3 days ago.
Well, it is and should be exclusively a woman's choice.
Uh, congratulations I guess.
Since our 'readers' are a nameless abstraction, whack them instead.
Mr Giggles actually agreed with me the other day that men should have absolutely no opinion on abortion at all unless it's letting women do what they want.
the art of being a zen husband...
He knows what's what
I can't make out the text in the picture. For those that say an embryo "is a baby," I can put pictures of a human, cat, dog, and pig embryo side by side and chances are they wouldn't be able to tell the difference, much less pick out which is the "baby."
headline-The true face of abortion
Anti's love to show pictures. Let's show some pictures. Is this more 'valuable' than your mother, sister, wife, girlfriend? Is it more 'valuable' than their very lives?
The face of a five week embryo, enormously magnified.
This is not a person.
This is a developing human organism. It is about 1/4" in size.
Antichoicers say this organism has more rights than you do, and that as soon as an egg is fertilized in your uterus, you should lose your rights as a citizen and as an autonomous human being. You should be under State regulation as long as there is a human organism in your uterus, and your body should not be under your control.
This is the antichoice agenda. This is what they believe is more valuable than any girl or woman's life.
(When Lennart Nisson's picture of developing embryos were published in LIFE magazine in 1966 they caused a sensation. Five weeks. The embryo is approximately 5mm long.
Thanks!
Thanks for that.
Sorry!
Don't be sorry! You were able to post the text and we read it and it's all good. I appreciate you doing that
TOM,
can you re-post larger please?
This is as large as my download presents. I've given the text in #4.1.1.
As of 4:14 P.M. EDT there are 2 down votes for the picture. I guess some people don't like reality!
4:15 P.M. EDT 3 down votes!
downvotes? I didn't think we had downvotes? We have up votes
Down votes?
I think I see the mistake. He's looking at the minus sign beside the number of votes thinking that is down votes rather than a comment count.
I see now.
Thank you for the explanation.
quite welcome