Note to Florida and DeSantis: Enslaved Africans were already skilled
Florida governor and Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis doubled down Friday on controversial new rules passed by his state’s Board of Education that will require educators to teach that enslaved Black people “developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.
“They’re probably going to show that some of the folks that eventually parlayed, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life,” DeSantis told reporters Friday. “But the reality is, all of that is rooted in whatever is factual.
Here are some simple, historical facts: Africans already were skilled before they were enslaved. And, in many cases, enslavers sought and purchased people coming from specific African societies based on skills common in those societies. Decades of research — slave ship manifests, plantation ledgers, newspaper articles, letters, journals and archaeological digs — by dozens of scholars supports this, much of it compiled in the 2022 book “ African Founders: How Enslaved People Expanded American Freedom ,” by Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Hackett Fischer.
Transatlantic slavery was an economic model proposing that skilled laborers, who were benefiting themselves and their communities, be abducted, transported and forced to use those skills to benefit others. Other skills such as literacy, ministry and music-making were often banned, because they did not benefit — and even threatened — the enslaver.
Hackett Fischer explains how, in the mid-1700s, enslaving colonists in the Lowcountry of the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida targeted people from the Windward Coast of West Africa, where rice had been cultivated for thousands of years. In the Lowcountry, enslaved people then built complex systems of canals, levees, floodgates and fields, just as they had in West Africa, providing the region with its first massive cash crop.
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Some very interesting information.
Me too.
Learning is always interesting for [some]
I'm glad you posted this as a seed. I thought it had great information when you posted the link
Thanks, Trout. I thought that it had some excellent information.
That's why I encouraged you to seed it. It is a nice companion to my seed (was that my seed?) and it just had so much information that I was afraid nobody would bother to open your link.
It was a good choice on your part,
kind of like trump university...
I wonder how long it will be before Florida schools start teaching students about how Jews benefitted from free transportation during the holocaust.
that's taught as free train rides to an exclusive gated community far away from the war, and complimentary pajamas...
Not to mention as a weight loss clinic.
that too...
You read my mind!
Yeah, the two statements are at best ignorant and nutty as hell.
This is all DeSantis' efforts and actions to show off that if given a chance to be president he can carry MAGA water and 'own' liberals. Even though, he keeps getting his you know what handed to him for being a smart-ass chasing after the greatest offense. Apparently, he needs something more to put him over the top with Trump supporters. Watch this space. I don't think he is done yet looking for his offense "sweet spot."
Maybe DeSantis will have to just jail Disney's CEO or several "Woke" teachers on general principles to get the limelight away from Donald Trump (who has no ability to do anything policy-wise right now).
All DeSantis talks about is ''culture wars'' no policy at all and his numbers are in the toilet. IMO he is not going to be the Republican nominee.
Good. He traffics in dogging out portions of the citiizenry, and its only proper that he should reap bones and spurs. On the other-hand, since he is taken over the culture aspect of the GOP all he has to do is start talking policy and MAGA supporters will eat that . . . up!
What polling are you looking at?
Very interesting article. If only some people would realize the truth behind it.
after he drops out of the race he'll spend the rest of his term as governor besieged by scandal due to his incompetence. then he'll get a regular appearance contract at FOX...
IMO, he will drop out or lose in primaries and then Florida has to tolerate him for a couple of more years, which to say the least will be interesting.
he better start stuffing bribes and lobbyist money into his pockets with both hands because if he flops in the GOP primaries his political life is over. he'll only attract a fraction of the maga voters.
Yup, that is true and in Florida, he cannot run for a 3rd consecutive term as governor. He'll have to sit out 4 years and then try to run again. By that time he'll be in the waste bin of history.
He'll be washed up, broke, and divorced
that's my dream anyway
Ha, good dream, Trout.
he'll open a pizzeria...
LOL
... or a body shop.
all that's left is trash and concrete...
casey could always dance at club platinum in south beach...
And his idiot wife is already pretending to be first lady.
rehearsing I meant to say
Have you seen ones of her with long gloves on and gowns - kind of like Jacqueline Kennedy pretending/rehearsing to be First Lady?
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I always find it distracting that conservatives try to brand Americana, like freedom, unto themselves. The irony escapes conservatives that freedom can not be something just for conservatives in a nation with other stripes of citizenry under the same flag.
Hopefully more of our members will actually read it and they might gain some insight and not babble on about something they know next to nothing about, Veronica.
I applaud your optimism.
It's a wild hope, Veronica.
If you want the perfect encapsulation of how easily manipulated the left wing is and how they will mindlessly parrot whatever their manipulators tell them, here’s an essential knowledge standard from the Adanced Placement guidelines;
Not a single person freaking out hysterically freaking out over the Florida guideline protested the nationwide AP standard. Honestly embarrassed for them.
No one in the article is freaking out except some outside RW that cannot accept that others can and do have an opinion that disagrees with theirs.
The article itself is facts presented that show that slaves were brought to the US for the skills that they possessed before being turned into human chattel. Simply a counterpoint to a line in the Florida standards that they and many people felt was untrue.
Simple as that.
Now that you did your usual off topic bit would you like to dispute the facts in the article instead of attempting to derail the article?
If not leave the article.
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No freak out since the VP, teachers Union and media didn’t lead them there.
PD&D.
His war on ''woke'' has caused another major group to move its convention. Florida keeps losing conventions and dumb ass continues his war on woke.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/27/black-fraternity-florida-conference-ron-desantis-boycott#:~:text=A%20historic%20Black%20fraternity%20is,was%20beneficial%20to%20enslaved%20people.
Apparently, the only good corporations are the one's kissing conservative. . . self-interests. Disney Corp. in Florida is not allowed to bring in 'tons' of money and possible new residents. . .they have to do it by being as bigoted and prejudiced as DeSantis 'demands' or fight him like 'hell.' So much for Florida being "open for business"!
he can count on the malaria and leprosy conventions coming to the state...
Since members of the Proud Boys are on at least two Republican Executive Committees in Florida, Sarasota and Miami Dade we could be drawing some of that disease as well.
leprosy and maga are very similar...
So an college board AP course says "Unit two of the current framework includes a discussion about the skills enslaved people brought with them that enslavers exploited as well as other skills developed in America that were valuable to their enslavers," the board said. "Enslaved Africans and their descendants used those skills to survive, build community, and create culture in resistance to their oppression"
Where is the outrage?
Perhaps you could ask Senator Tim Scott or Rep. Donald (R-FL) both black conservative Republicans that want the wording removed as per Senator Scott, ''There is no upside to slavery''.
Nice diversion but it does not answer the question.
Not a diversion at all, simply asking you to speak to people that are very invested and who it affects directly.
From my view, although I am a minority (not black) I see it as nothing but another way to excuse or attempt to give a upside to slavery and not at all needed in the AP.
So back to my original post. Why all the outrage when Florida does it and not before when ap was doing it?
Perhaps it has to do with DeSantis who certainly does put his foot in his mouth, many times both feet.
DeSantis Says Black Republican "Lies" Are "Part of the Reason Our Country Has Struggled"
ron's big mouth has created another rift in the GOP... bummer...
And it's only getting started,
DeSantis is as dumb as a rock just stand by and watch him destroy his run for the president or the GOP.
he'll be at the bottom of the dog pile at the end of next month's RNC debate...
About damn time, Mr. "Colorblind" Scott stood up for something outside of his self-interest. Nice to see that his 'tribe' still has meaning where it counts! Racist. . .people do not offer those others that they hate/dislike/disapprove of as equals jobs that they like, want, or technically need. Nor are workforce skills offered as a 'leg up' or with 'care and concern.'
Racists wanted their subordinated class to serve them and to do so properly meant they would have to be fit and able to use the 'tools' available for their service.
Mr. Scott and Mr. Donald can be whosoever they want to be as people. That is, they can be conservative. They can be so-called, "colorblind." They can surely love whomsoever they will. That's all fair. But in the process. . .at the end of everyday. . . the person they see in the mirror. . . in the skin they share with other blacks must be given what Aretha Franklin championed: RESPECT too.
It has been observed, stated, and written that the spirit of black people is indomitable. But let us not kid ourselves. The Blacks of the United States were tested by the purest and strongest fire of racism that this country could muster. It could have been worse, yes, always worse. But thankfully the testing ended while life was still in a black man and woman somewhere in this country!
The past resides in history. Don't "F" it up with half-truths and straight up lies. Tell it like it happened. The good. The Bad. The Ugly. By telling it like it is, one, we, can make the future better with the chance each and every day ahead of us as a country provides.
Moral of This Story: No matter who you are do not ever let anybody tell you to your face a lie about their motives for hurting you or your Kind.
Exactly, it’s not about accuracy in American History but rather about political favoritism.
The AP course talks of bringing skills with them. The state of Florida apparently thinks that those skills were learned in America thus the wording leaving out the fact that they had the skills prior to being enslaved.
If you can't see the difference, I doubt that anyone can help you
geez, way to shatter his stereotypes...
The AP text says "exploited by slavers".
By 1850, most US enslaved persons were third-, fourth-, or fifth-generation Americans, hence their skills were taught here.
And this absolves the slave owners how? And more to the point, Florida? Just who do you think taught the second and third, fourth, and fifth-generation slaves these useful skills?
I wrote nothing about absolution.
People possessing the skill, i.e. a seamstress taught dress making, a cook, cooking.
Exactly, carpenter, plastering, coopers, tradesmen, cobbler, etc. all brought their skills with them.
Throughout the article, there are examples of the many skills that they had and those skills were requested by the slavers. Generally, those skills were passed on from generation to generation.
The point is that the people enslaved had skills and THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO SLAVERY no matter how many times it's repeated. It's making excuses for slavery to hide the horrifying effect that it had on generations of people.
The facts are clear and no matter how much deflection is thrown at history it is the history and it doesn't change because some what to whitewash it.
I read the article and I understand about the agricultural skills brought, less about any others.
The point is that like in the AP AA History Framework, and the new Florida standards, the practice of “hiring out” is identified. Hiring out was very controversial in the Enslaved South because there were some benefits to slaves including, buying your freedom, more personal autonomy, disputing the patrimony philosophy, etc.
Some people seem to not want honest history but more a message.
And some people do not want to acknowledge what slavery encompassed. ''Hiring out'' tells you that a person is being bartered without their consent. If there was no slavery we would not be having this discussion and for those that are black their experiences/feeling are very different than yours.
Yes, was that ever a question?
He and certain others are always defending the indefensible.
and deflecting
Before you 'round' the corner to question my, our outrage. . . where is a link to this college board AP course you are quoting from?! Let's start with that, please.
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EK 2.8.A.4 In addition to agricultural work, enslaved people learned specialized trades and worked as painters, carpenters, tailors, musicians, and healers in the North and South. Once free, American Americans used these skills to provide for themselves and others.
You can find the AP Course Framework Link here:
Page 72
Linking resources still throw some of us off I see.
I will look into it. Thank you for the link. Some Others should try it when writing about reference materials they have read and are quoting.
Let google be your friend. Especially since you are hung up with the source. Google it and read any actual news source you want.
The above is what the Florida Standards say. The beef is the Benchmark Clarifications. One assumes that out of all instruction on "the various duties and trades performed by slaves" the largest factor, the Benchmark, the point to be driven home, is that some of those skills could be used for their personal benefit. It is not an aside, an "Oh, by the way..." but it is the point of emphasis, and that is what people are upset about.
The AP Standards that you quote are subtly but importantly different in that they do not emphasize the personal benefit which might have been gained, but rather the fact that slaves did work far exceeding field work.
Condescension does not become you.
Huh?
From the AP Framework:
EK 2.8.A.4 In addition to agricultural work, enslaved people learned specialized trades and worked as painters, carpenters, tailors, musicians, and healers in the North and South. Once free, American Americans used these skills to provide for themselves and others.
Yes. It is a subtle but important difference. The Florida standard says that the important thing to remember is that slaves learned stuff when they were slaves that helped them after they were emancipated. (It is almost like the writers of the standards felt guilty. "Look! We taught them something useful. Stress that!" )
The AP standard emphasizes the broad variety of work done by African Americans and does not stress that they learned it while slaves or that the work was helpful after slavery, but presents them both with the same importance.
So sorry if I disappoint you.
Where does it say that? You are nit picking to try and differentiate it.
The AP Standard literally says "Once free, American Americans used these skills to provide for themselves and others."
It's impossible to argue when one side literally argues the exact opposite of the plain text we all can see and instead simply makes up arguments and creates imaginary strawmen to attack.
It's worse than election denial. At least the election deniers believe the fraud it taking place out of site and hasn't been discovered. This is literally denying the meaning of plain text right in front of your eyes.
and does not stress that they learned it while slaves
And on this irrelevant point you also completely mischaracterize the AP standards. The AP literally teaches that enslaved people learned specialized trades and worked as painters, carpenters, tailors, musicians, and healers in the North and South
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Don't be sorry for that.
Have some happy time!
And I must say you do it so well.
Have you no shame? Why engage in such flagrantly dishonest mischaracterizations of a text any competent fifth grader can grasp? Is loyalty to your team worth such disgrace?
Now that is truly funny
smart move on your part to avoid substance. That was a really rough look for you.
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At the risk of making an assumption, I am assuming that the Benchmark in Benchmark Clarifications is what is supposed to be stressed. I could be wrong. If you think I am wrong you can go gather the information and prove that I am wrong. If you do prove that I am wrong then I will say that I am wrong. That is the way that adults are supposed to talk to each other.
Now that is truly funny. Comedy is always welcome.
Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
The AP standards which Drinker posted say to instruct on all of the points with no particular stress on any one part. The Florida standard says stress the fact that while they were slaves they learned things that helped them when they were emancipated. I am not arguing against the facts in the case, but I am saying that the emphasis placed on the one part seems strange and is where the standards are drawing the scrutiny and criticism.
I could say "NEET" but I wouldn't do that to you.
I should not google what you imply you have available to share. Remember sharing? Or is it that you do not have a proper link? And how in the "h" can you quote someone:
Indeed, I did you a favor by asking for the reference link! You should thank me. Why? Because technically your quote is incomplete and in need of moderation.
Where do you see that in SS.68.AA.23 on page 71?
The fact of the matter is. . . this AP course, linked by Drinker, which originally has this POINT under discussion in it has the approval of black officials in Education. While the wording has been revised (beneficial has been added/substituted in the new rewrite curriculum) and (more pointed) the spirit of the thing is the same.
Thus, barring any reading or difference of opinion based on the substance of the actual curriculum teaching of the standard. I drop my opposition to it for now.
Well done, Drinker.
And, based on the information and your courteous supplying of outside sources integral to the subject matter I accept the standard with its new replacement and addition of the world "benefit" and drop my opposition to it.
That said, I readily admit I am concerned when conservatives tamper with issues which they, conservatives, mean to bring into alignment with CONSERVATIVE thinking which may not be suitable or acceptable to those for which it is about or needing to interact with it.
Well done.
The critics should have read the document before complaining but that’s not what both sides do these days.
I’m sure the Florida standards can be improved but it looks like a good faith and transparent effort to me. Instead of finding reasons to celebrate small wins we find reasons to discredit instead.
Thanks for keeping an open mind.
Are you speaking of the new Florida standard? Or the new AP standard as opposed to the older AP standard?
All he has plus deflection.
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The projection is unreal, ain't it?
You directly mischaracterized the contents of the standards and claimed they say they opposite of what they do.
The Florida standard says stress the fact that while they were slaves they learned things that helped them when they were emancipated.
The AP standards actually make explicit the claim the slaves learned things that helped them when they were emancipated. The Florida standards do you not. Again, your argument is nonsensical when you look at the actual text of the standards. Words matter.
The standards are essentially identical on the topic. There's no substantive daylight between them. You are projecting your desire to create a distinction by imagining "stresses" and emphasizes that simply don't comport with reality. This sort of nonsense "It is almost like the writers of the standards felt guilty. "Look! We taught them something useful. Stress that!" is just your partisan imagination letting loose. If presented the two standards, with the identity of the authors secret, you would never make that claim, nor would any honest person.
Perhaps you missed the "in some instances". A good teacher will gone to say the practise of "hiring out' of skilled labor was controversial at the time. It gave increased autonomy to some slaves, others got to keep some of the wages (even enough to buy their freedom), increased communications with other slaves, ect.
AP Framework:
EK 2.8.A.4 In addition to agricultural work, enslaved people learned specialized trades and worked as painters, carpenters, tailors, musicians, and healers in the North and South. Once free, American Americans used these skills to provide for themselves and others.
Hi Thomas, I know of the original "AP Standard" and the new "AP Standard" - perhaps the latter is the "Florida standard" you mean? As of right now, I accept the new "AP Standard" re-cast by Florida's conservatives because the spirit of it does jive with the original standard - albeit it "choice" wording is included now.
I do have an article from Kavika to read sometime today before, to my knowledge, being caught up. But yes, I wish to read your thoughts.
There is no need to overstate the point. Why? Because this is NOT a blind revision of the standard. For as much as it is restated in the text. . .it could have been left to stand as it was ("The standards are essentially identical on the topic." - You wrote that Sean). Thus, why rewrite it with the conservative-bent, except to have it understood conservatively. But that pushes the issue deeper into what actual wording will be "inside" the standard once the curriculum is ready for publication and teaching.
Conservatives are famous by now for their control issues and party agendas which do not recognize or slant the truth. . .to a conservative way of looking at the world. That alone makes for a great deal of close scrutiny of what conservatives revise (when it is the same anyway - so what is the point for messing around with it?).
Kav isn't diverging, YOU are deflecting.
Uh huh, sure
I'll be away for awhile and my locking the article. I will reopen it when I return.
The article is now open.
cool, I needed the firepower...
It doesn’t seem that is must left to say. Most who shrilly complained likely had never read the text. No real rebuttal evidence was presented and the Florida language is very similar to the vaunted AA History AP class.
I don’t support DeSantis at all but I also don’t support making up shit like these critics did. I applaud the committee’s good faith effort to improve the teaching of AA history in the state and the decision to be transparent on the standards. Very few other states have done either.
Another first for Florida, it is the only school system in the US to have Prager University material used in K 12 schools in Florida.
Despite the name, PragerU is not an academic institution and does not hold classes, does not grant certifications or diplomas, and is not accredited by any recognized body.
Always defending the indefensible
This is not making up shit:
F lorida’s Board of Education recently released new Black history standards. They require that middle school students learn “how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied to their personal benefit.” The board also mandated that the high school curriculum for the 1920 Ocoee, Florida Election Day Massacre include “acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans.” The new standards, the director of communications for the Board declared, incorporated “all components of African American history: the good, the bad, and the ugly.”
What is untrue in the standards?
The bolded portion, what did the blacks do to perpetrate violence in the Ocoee Election Day Massacre? Fight back to stop from being killed...
Some are always deflecting and defending the indefensible while falsely accusing of others of shit that they themselves are doing Kavika.
Edward Magness points out that Ed Baptist ,of the far-left "New History of Capitalism" school of slavery scholarship that was relied upon by the 1619 project, who is a primary source for the 1619 project's economic arguments provides factual support for the claim (poorly pictured above, available on the tweet below)
But when scholars in Florida point out the same thing, it's minimizing slavery.
.https://twitter.com/PhilWMagness/status/1685299485449039873
Here is the whole section:
Describe the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of Black communities during Reconstruction and beyond.
SS.9.12.AA.3.6
Benchmark Clarifications
Clarification 1 Instruction includes the ramifications of prejudice, racism, and stereotyping on individual freedom (e.g.Civil Rights Cases, Jim Crow Laws, lynchings, Black Codes).
Clarification 2 Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans but isn't limited to 1906 Atlanta Race Riot, 1919 Washington DC Race Riot, 1920, Occoee Massacre, 1921 Tulsa Massacre, and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre.
Again, what here is inaccurate?
What acts of violence did the blacks perpetrate in Occoee, Tulsa, or Rosewood?
I asked that question in my comment 9.3.1 and you still haven't answered it.
I don't believe that they perpetuated the massacres in Occoee, Rosewood or Tulsa nor the vast majority of violence during reconstruction, however:
https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/violence.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener" > . edu/violence.htm
https://www.searchablemuseum.com/political-power-the-15th-amendment#section-st" target="_blank" rel="noopener" > . com/political-power-the-15th- amendment#section-st
This is the complete article on jimcrowmuseum.
According to this from jimcrowmuseum without any backup or records. Could it be they are talking about whites that died in the Civil War? That would be time frame they are talking about.
Or are they talking about white being the victims because the black were fighting for their rights and lives?
I wouldn't think so, the Civil War was more than a mere "majority of victims".
More likely might be:
Nat Turner Rebellion were slaves revolting and they were killed. So fighting for freedom is making whites victims?
The massacre of whites in Florida by Seminoles and Blacks. This was the Second Seminole war, there three Seminole Wars/ Amazing how if the Indians win it was a massacre, and if the white win it was a ''great victory''.
1842 Cherokee Slave Revolt...Cherokee are not white. A few ''slave hunters'' were killed in Choctaw territory it isn't clear if they were white or Choctaw.
Those events are simply listed as some, but not all, of the events that will be covered under this standard, "Describe the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of Black communities during Reconstruction and beyond." They list some of the acts of violence perpetrated against blacks.
Why do you think its "untrue" to teach the massacre at Oconee in a standard about " the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of Black communities"
perhaps the woman and children killed.
I see death as death.
No but ai think some slave catchers were killed along the way.
Yes, they are and what acts by blacks perpetrated violence against whites?
I never said or insinuated that. My question has been and still is what did the Blacks do to perpetrate violence against whites in Oconee
The bolded portion was truncated and incomplete.
Nothing that I know of and the Florida Standards don't say the they did.
do you not understand what you wrote? You said the standard was untrue. The only way it could be is if you believe Oconee should not be taught when discussing " the emergence, growth, destruction and rebuilding of Black communities" under which Oconee is listed as an example. Why do you think its untrue to include Oconee while teaching about the destruction of black communities?
My question has been and still is what did the Blacks do to perpetrate violence against whites in Oconee
Who says they did? Read the entire standard (don't cherry pick a portion of a sentence) and, if you read it honestly, you'll see Oconee listed as one example of violence that will be covered. Unless you have proof that Florida will require teachers to lie about what happened there, you have no basis for claiming the standard is "untrue."
Of course, I do, and as usual, I pointed out Oconee and the others and asked what violence did blacks perpetrated against whites...NO answer from you or others. Do you know what you wrote?
The standard did, do you not understand that?
Clarification 2 Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans but isn't limited to 1906 Atlanta Race Riot, 1919 Washington DC Race Riot, 1920, Occoee Massacre, 1921 Tulsa Massacre, and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre.
Are you saying Blacks never fought back like Native Americans?
LOL, are you getting that desperate, you know damn well I never said any such thing.
I find your points on this topic uncharacteristically confusing. When asked to describe the inaccuracies, you bolded some selected text with out explaining why you found them inaccurate.
Kavika, Drinker, and Sean - Actually what I like about the current exchange of comments, plural, is the interactions between the participants!
This give and take going on between you, us, we, together means truth is being sought out and hopefully we will all come away smarter for having engaged! 
Thanks CB, let’s hope.
I've answered by pointing out its a dishonest question. The standard doesn't claim Ocoee is an example of violence blacks perpetuated against whites. You, either internationally or out of ignorance, are making that up. Oconee is listed because it is an example of violence perpetrated against blacks. But by all means, provide any evidence that Florida is teaching about Oconee (a good thing!) but lying about what happened there. What resource are the African American scholars telling schools to use that claims Ocoee is the fault of blacks? If your conspiracy is true, there must be some book or reading that will deliver the message to kids.
Prove your conspiracy.
he standard did, do you not understand that?
Since Drinker was nice enough to excerpt the entire standard, including the two clarifications that are attached to it, I assumed you read them. Apparently not. Your point gets even more nonsensical in the context of the entire standard. Obviously, if you've read the standards and still want to engage in your delusional conspiracies , there's not much anyone can do to dissuade you.
So you either bizarrely believe that Ocoee shouldn't be taught as a part of a standard dealing with the growth and destruction of black communities or you just pushing a conspiracy that Florida will instruct teachers to lie to students (but apparently without any paper trail or evidence to support the conspiracy). So which is it?
Are you being willfully ignorant or just obtuse?
The bolded sections highlight the words that I have asked you and others to show where blacks have perpetrated violence against white.
Clarification 2 Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans but isn't limited
Do you see where it says violence peretrated against and BY AA?
LOL, your imagination as to what I said and believe is running wild.
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That is three strikes for you Drinker.
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And very good at both, goodbye.
funny how gov. no child indoctrination ron has now allowed teachers to use videos from prager u in class...
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Instead of attempting to reply to each of your comments, I'll let this article respond instead as it seems that the current board did more than cut some corners on the requirements needed to write new standards. And of course, the black conservative Republican members of the Senate/House and State House of Florida have spoken out against this and couldn't possibly know anything about the subject matter. /s
Same methods 'used on the plantation': Black task force member scorches Florida slavery guidelines
How so? What is the long term trauma still experienced by current generations, absent Dad’s?
Google is your friend, you'll find numerous studies and articles on this which would enhance your limited knowledge on the subject.
Your cheap shot regarding, ''absent Dad's'' is noted and not unexpected.
You did gloss over the possible illegal acts by the board as stated in the article. Again not surprising.
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I don’t remember any glossing, what charges should be levied on the board members?
No shame.
I don’t feel shame but I was wrong. Absent Dad’s is an inaccurate stereotype, I should have written non marital Dad’s.
Plural never takes an "s".
Some are nasty and thrive on throwing such cheap shots.
Very interesting. I will read it on Sunday in the light of day!
It is a well-written article. And I have taken it to heart. We must keep an eye on what is going on as materials get moved around and shifted and words fade out and in. But for now, I will give the conservatives' benefit of doubt as this specific standard's wording is in spirit the same as its original intents. The mention of 'stealth' revising does leave one to wonder: WHY?!
looks like duh-santis has locked in all the black voters for the GOP primaries...
He's doing a great job off it.../s
The article has been up for five days, time to shut it down.
Wait for the next Kavika seed.