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Suspect arrested after explosive devices sent to Trump critics and CNN

  
Via:  Trout Giggles  •  6 years ago  •  218 comments


Suspect arrested after explosive devices sent to Trump critics and CNN
 

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What we know about the suspect (so far)


From CNN's Evan Perez


The suspect arrested in connection with the suspicious packages is in his 50s and has a criminal history, a law enforcement source said.

While the suspect has an Aventura, Florida, address, he has ties to New York.

He was arrested at a business in Plantation, Florida.

14 min ago

President Trump was briefed on the suspect


From CNN's Abby Phillip


President Trump has been briefed on the arrest made in connection to the suspicious packages, a White House official said. 

White House chief of staff John Kelly briefed the President.

27 min ago

There will be a news conference at 2:30 p.m. ET


From CNN's Laura Jarrett


The Department of Justice just confirmed that one person has been taken custody.

The DOJ will have a news conference at 2:30 p.m. ET today. We'll be covering it live here.


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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Trout Giggles    6 years ago

Don;t know if this has been seeded yet or not. I will gladly delete this one if there is a more relevant seed

 
 
 
T.Fargo
Freshman Silent
1.1  T.Fargo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    6 years ago

  I was going to if you didn't.  

 
 
 
T.Fargo
Freshman Silent
2  T.Fargo    6 years ago

  I hope Trump resists the urge to pardon him.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  T.Fargo @2    6 years ago

I had a link to a twitter feed showing the suspect's vehicle. Unfortunately, I linked it in another seed of mine that had nothing to do with this and now I don't have it any more.

Of course, I think I will wait to post anything else until it's all confirmed. Don't want bullets raining down on my head for "speculation" and other nefarious bullshit

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    6 years ago

the FBI covered the van with a blue tarp until all the rightwing/trump stickers could be removed.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
3  lady in black    6 years ago

Mail bombing suspect identified as 56-year-old Florida man Cesar Sayoc.

He was taken into custody after police raided a home in the town of Plantation.

Sayoc's van had dozens of pictures of Trump and pro-Trump statements covering almost every window

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1  JBB  replied to  lady in black @3    6 years ago

Sayoc is a 56 YO rabid Trump Supperter. False Flag? MY ASS...

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
3.1.1  lady in black  replied to  JBB @3.1    6 years ago

Repubs wishful thinking.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2  devangelical  replied to  lady in black @3    6 years ago

probably another teabag terrorist

 
 
 
T.Fargo
Freshman Silent
3.3  T.Fargo  replied to  lady in black @3    6 years ago

  I read that he was arrested outside an Autozone and he was covered in stickers as well.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
4  lady in black    6 years ago

Sayoc is Native American

Cesar Sayoc Politics: Voter Records Say He’s a Republican

I blame TRUMP for his fake news bs.....

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devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  lady in black @4    6 years ago

check out all the pictures with cross-hairs on them

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  lady in black  replied to  devangelical @4.1    6 years ago

Shades of Failin' Palin.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
4.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  devangelical @4.1    6 years ago

Good thing he didn't draw any attention to himself, living in the same area where Debbie Wasserman Shultz works, to which he labeled the return addresses.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.2    6 years ago

should be a short trial

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.2    6 years ago

He doesn't seem to be very intelligent. But most career criminals are pretty dumb

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.4    6 years ago

ie: trump

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
4.1.6  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  devangelical @4.1    6 years ago

Is that a picture of Jill Stein with crosshairs next to Michael Moore?  If he's a Trump fan he should be kissing her ass.  She could have been the reason Hillary lost the EC.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    6 years ago

I’m surprised he didn’t go with this arrangement: 

320

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2  Split Personality  replied to  lady in black @4    6 years ago

The "skin" on the left is identical to the "skin" on the left middle window on the opposite side.

It's unbelievable that Florida law allows all of that writing on the rear windows and the passengers window.

Clearly a safety issue.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    6 years ago

I'm pretty sure that rightwing political stickers aren't considered view obstructing in florida

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Quiet
5  96WS6    6 years ago
Officials on Thursday declined to say whether the devices were intended to detonate or to scare people, but they repeatedly urged the public to view them as if they could pose a threat.

Why on earth won't they say if they are real or not?

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.1  It Is ME  replied to  96WS6 @5    6 years ago
Why on earth won't they say if they are real or not?

After the mid-terms, after the mid-terms. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Quiet
5.1.1  96WS6  replied to  It Is ME @5.1    6 years ago

Ya think?

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  96WS6 @5.1.1    6 years ago

For sure ! jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2  JBB  replied to  96WS6 @5    6 years ago

Law enforcement has consistently confirmed the bombs were all real, all activated and all extremely dangerous. No dodging the fact that this horror was the work of a rabid Trump supporter. Real bombs, real threats to First Families and Democratic luminaries. Facts are facts. Why dodge them and attempt to mislead? Because Trump's rhetoric is responsible for this and election day is upon us. This all just goes to show what results from Trump's egging his rabid supporters on to violently attract and even kill Democratic leaders...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.1    6 years ago

XD - wonder how many of our sharp-eyed members noticed that the stamps haven't been postmarked and that three of them arrived the same day they were mailed?

Hmmmmm

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @5.2    6 years ago
Because Trump's rhetoric is responsible for this

The "Can't be Civil" or "Kick you" democrats have nothing what-so-ever to do in helping stuff like this to occur ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

Got it. "Pure" is as "Pure" thinks ! jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

Face it..… a Nut is a Nut , unless you can prove to me it's actually a Donkey or an Elephant in real life !

I'll wait !

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Quiet
5.2.4  96WS6  replied to  JBB @5.2    6 years ago
Law enforcement has consistently confirmed the bombs were all real, all activated and all extremely dangerous.

PANTS ON FIRE!

I call BULLSHIT too! Left wing media brainwashing at it's finest.  - link please

this is all I have seen:

Officials on Thursday declined to say whether the devices were intended to detonate or to scare people, but they repeatedly urged the public to view them as if they could pose a threat. “We are treating them as live devices,” NYPD Commissioner James P. O’Neill said 
 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Quiet
5.2.5  96WS6  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.2    6 years ago

Kinda weird that they were mailed to locatioins around the country and all showed up at the same time too eh?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.6  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2.2    6 years ago

>whew< good to see that comment posted here

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.5    6 years ago
Kinda weird that they were mailed to locatioins around the country and all showed up at the same time too eh?

Most weird was....they say some were actually hand delivered, even with the stamps on them. This guy get's around after where they say he was picked up.  jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.8  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.4    6 years ago

You always treat suspected detonation devices as live. I wasn't EOD but even I know that

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.9  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  96WS6 @5.2.5    6 years ago

You guys might want to pace yourself. All that spinning is going to make you dizzy

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.10  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.9    6 years ago

they might auger themselves into the ground

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.11  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @5.2.10    6 years ago

I just got an image of Wyle E Coyote

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
5.2.12  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.7    6 years ago
Most weird was....they say some were actually hand delivered, even with the stamps on them. This guy get's around after where they say he was picked up

Wonder no more, yesterday they were saying most bombs (at least)  went through the post offices and the cancellations didn't show because of the shape of the packages, but they had been processed.  I haven't heard updates, but the lack of cancellations doesn't mean they were hand delivered.  The Soros package is thought to be the only one hand delivered as of a few days ago, but not sure if its still the case or not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
5.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @5.2.12    6 years ago
saying most bombs

I was reading a CNN report about that, but since this guy has been arrested, pooof, it's gone. It had many questions in the report, along with Expert post Office people input about issues with the packages and how they got where they got. Also, the why's and why nots on the cancellations. It didn't fit your "Shape of the Package" narrative.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.14  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.11    6 years ago

he's another example of a teapublican would be bomber

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.15  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @5.2.14    6 years ago

Nah....he was just misunderstood

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6  JBB    6 years ago

Right Wing Domestic Terrorists Strike Again. Shades of Tim McVeigh. When righties warn of leftist violence Democrats and liberals had better duck and take cover. Israel has Hamas. The USA has the damned gop. The damn gop is a danger to everyone...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7  Jasper2529    6 years ago

In a rush to prematurely condemn Trump and his supporters for the acts allegedly perpetrated by Cesar Sayoc, people began to rabidly foam at the mouth within minutes just because Trump stickers were on his van. Is this how sane Americans should behave?

Sayoc has a criminal record, including bomb threats dating back to 2002 and shoplifting in 2014. His fingerprints were on record.

Law enforcement has done an excellent job in its ongoing investigation. Perhaps everyone should take a breath, wait for LE to conclude its investigation, and give the public FACTS before anyone passes judgement.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
7.2  lady in black  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    6 years ago

Well how many rush to judgment "FALSE FLAG" comments from the repub side did we hear since this all started....

I even listened to my local news radio station and ALL comments were "false flag", a democrat is behind this, etc.,etc.

Both sides do it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.2.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @7.2    6 years ago

My local talk show idiot kept calling it all a hoax. The LE investigating were clear to say that it was not a hoax

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  lady in black @7.2    6 years ago

Since I'm an Independent and not registered with any political party, I don't align myself with either "side". My comment history proves this.

At this point in the ongoing investigation, we don't have much information. Think about this for a moment: LE hasn't told the public if the van is owned and registered in Cesar Socuz's name. This means that the van might be owned and registered in someone else's name.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.3  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    6 years ago

What some rejoice in is disturbing.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Sunshine @7.3    6 years ago

karma is a bitch, ain't it?

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
7.3.2  lady in black  replied to  Sunshine @7.3    6 years ago

Look back at all the comments on the various seeds from the republican side on this site in regards to this when it first started that it was a false flag, that it was a democrat.  No one is rejoicing, just pointing out facts and the rush to judgment from that side of the aisle.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.3.3  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @7.3.1    6 years ago

I should have made a crow pie last night

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.3.4  Sunshine  replied to  lady in black @7.3.2    6 years ago
that it was a democrat.  No one is rejoicing, just pointing out facts and the rush to judgment from that side of the aisle.

Everyone was just speculating who the person maybe, all members where regardless of "sides".  We should be thankful no one was injured and the nut job has been caught.

But if Trump stickers make your day....have at it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.3.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @7.3.2    6 years ago

I think some memories were wiped last night

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.3.7  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @7.3.4    6 years ago

you're just pissed

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
7.3.8  lady in black  replied to  Kathleen @7.3.6    6 years ago
The most important thing about this is that he was caught and no one was hurt.

Absolutely correct!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.3.9  devangelical  replied to  lady in black @7.3.2    6 years ago

all those right wing seeds will be deleted by the end of the day. "I never said that, prove it!"

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.3.10  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.3.7    6 years ago
you're just pissed

about what?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.3.11  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @7.3.10    6 years ago

because it wasn't a lefty, socialist democrat so you could say "I told you so"

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.3.12  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.3.11    6 years ago

That maybe how you think, but not me.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.3.13  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @7.3.12    6 years ago

pffhhhtttt

right

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.3.14  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.3.13    6 years ago

Thanks jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
7.4  lady in black  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    6 years ago

Make sure you tell the Trump to stop being an instigator-in-chief, he was at it this morning.

President Trump took to Twitter in the very wee hours Friday to continue his run-in with his critics over  the   series of suspicious devices sent to prominent Democrats this week .

At 3:14 a.m.,   he tweeted , "Funny how lowly rated CNN, and others, can criticize me at will, even blaming me for the current spate of Bombs and ridiculously comparing this to September 11th and the Oklahoma City bombing, yet when I criticize them they go wild and scream, "it's just not Presidential!"

Many media members and politicians have blamed him for setting a harsh tone and not taking responsibility for contributing to the ongoing poisonous political atmosphere.

"Nobody else is being as divisive and inciteful as Donald Trump and so to suggest otherwise is completely wrong," said former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, who is considering a 2020 Democratic presidential campaign. "We wouldn't even be having this conversation with any other president, Republican or Democrat, because they would be big enough to avoid this kind of hateful and inciteful rhetoric."

Mr. Trump on Thursday had yet to call former Presidents Obama or Clinton about the packages sent their way -- the one sent to Mr. Clinton's home was addressed to Hillary Clinton. But Mr. Trump had spoken to Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York, the state where many of the packages were delivered

The president also hasn't delivered a speech from the Oval Office to call for national unity in the wake of the devices scare.

He did return to a favorite punching bag of his.

"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News," the president tweeted Thursday. "It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"

At a  campaign rally  Wednesday night, after the first of   the devices  arrived at their destinations -- Mr. Trump called for "peace and harmony" — but also criticized the media for what he said was "endless hostility."

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.4.1  Jasper2529  replied to  lady in black @7.4    6 years ago
Make sure you tell the Trump to stop being an instigator-in-chief, he was at it this morning.

I have more important things to do, but please feel free to contact him yourself.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.4.2  JBB  replied to  lady in black @7.4    6 years ago

The best way for us all to register our disgust with Trump's culpability in these bombings is for all moral people with consciences to Vote Democratic on Tuesday November 6th...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.4.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.4.1    6 years ago

stop being such a goddamned victim

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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7.4.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  JBB @7.4.2    6 years ago
The best way for us all to register our disgust with Trump's culpability in these bombings is for all moral people with consciences to Vote Democratic on Tuesday November 6th...

Never let a good crisis go to waste......

I was right, the most important thing after catching this nutcase was what political affiliation is/was he. Which of course give rise to the expected leftist political hatchet job and the call to "payback" in the voting booth.

And of course the gloating on the site itself..... But there is information floating around out there than he only registered as a republican two years ago and prior to that no one knows or is willing to reveal. (they have been able to track individual voting records for the last ten years or so, why aren't they releasing his prior records. They do have them)

But no, revel in the story created. The investigation will continue. 

So what have we learned? That there are people on the board who would like to see others dead, yep several have alluded to just such right here on these pages solely on the basis of politics. And they believe they are justified...

But that's fine, as an observer of the body politic, the crazies are running the parties. and the war will go on as long as we allow them to...

I say vote your heart, vote for what is right, and let the chips fall where they may....

But in my own personal opinion, this loser sure makes a pretty good fall guy....

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.4.7  Ender  replied to  lady in black @7.4    6 years ago

He will not stop. There were some republican lawmakers last night saying how poor trump is attacked.

Acting like he is the victim in all of this.

Never once will they admit to any fault.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.4.8  Ender  replied to  Nowhere Man @7.4.6    6 years ago

You think the left should not be worried about his political affiliation? All day yesterday I read from the right how it was a false flag operation or it was done by Democrats to help them at the voting booth. Hell one person went as far to say he thinks Hillary was behind it.

Now all I see is excuses being made, people still defending trumps rhetoric, people still saying the loony left. One person even commented about a bumper sticker on the van. From what I have seen, it was way more than a bumper sticker.

I have seen no one wanting people dead. I have read this far without seeing that.

I do not see reveling in what happened, just people pointing out the sheer depths people will go to when someone on their side might be culpable. The denial and reverse blame to make it not true.

And now saying he only voted republican for two years that one knows of, even when there are pro trump anti left, with cross-hair, skins all over the van. Like that is some sort of justification.

I still have yet to hear some people admit that trump is a large part of the problem. Never once condemn his nasty rhetoric and act like he is a victim.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
7.4.9  Nowhere Man  replied to  Ender @7.4.8    6 years ago
I have seen no one wanting people dead. I have read this far without seeing that.

Actually on a couple of other articles yesterday, not direct statements (barely) but strong allusions to republicans in general and myself personally...

I still have yet to hear some people admit that trump is a large part of the problem. Never once condemn his nasty rhetoric and act like he is a victim.

Trump is part of the problem, no excuses here, but what I would really like is your side to admit the statement coming from some of your sides leadership is just as bad. You claiming something short of complete honesty on your oppositions side and refusing to hold your side to the same standard...

Can you admit that the things Hillary have said are also part of the problem?

You haven't been able to so far. Your side hasn't been able to in fact I see a lot of defense of what she said...

Ergo sum, it takes two to tango, you want the rhetoric to stop, then is has to stop from both sides....

There will be no peace until BOTH sides step back from the precipice of treating the other side like enemies.....

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.4.10  Ender  replied to  Nowhere Man @7.4.9    6 years ago

All I got from what Hillary said was that one cannot compromise with people unwilling to compromise.

Think what you want, it is no way the same as saying if you beat someone up, I will pay your legal expenses.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
8  Hal A. Lujah    6 years ago

Commence right wing denials now.  Initiate operation false flag now.  Blame Democratic mobs for his behavior now.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    6 years ago

It started almost an hour ago when limpballs told his ditto head that this guy is a member of the Green Party.

Sorry, rushie, the man is a registered republican.

Oh....check out comment 7......

If I tried spinning that much I could probably lose 20 pounds

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    6 years ago

https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc-politics-republican-trump-magabomber/?fbclid=IwAR3HMsCjxxnfPn2MEK379R_AOsy2ApG8Gq909U1ldhpNXPghvdJqi02i_GI

Cesar Sayoc Politics: Voter Records Say He’s a Republican

The male suspect was arrested at a business in Plantation, Florida, according to multiple media reports. However, what is known about his politics so far? Is he a Republican or Democrat? After all, there were twin theories that emerged after the packages were sent: Some people called him #magabomber because the packages were sent to critics of President Donald Trump. Others alleged it was a false flag attack by a liberal designed to blame Trump.

The major clues to emerge so far about Cesar Sayoc’s politics are the sticker and decal-laden van that authorities towed away from an Auto Zone as part of the investigation. “The van is covered with President Trump pictures and stickers,” reported Dan Krauth, of NBC. Matt Drudge, who is conservative, called the van “SUSPECT’S TRUMPMOBILE…” on Twitter. CBB also reported that the van is covered with Republican oriented stickers. Daily Caller, a conservative site, reported that the suspect “appears to own a white van covered in Trump- and Republican-Party-themed stickers and decals.” CBS News reported this picture was taken at an earlier date but appeared to show the same van. However, CNN also showed images of the van being towed from the scene that reveal it is still littered with Trump and GOP stickers. One sticker read, “CNN sucks.”

n addition, Florida voter records say the following:

Full Name:
CESAR A SAYOC

City:
AVENTURA

County Name:
MIAMI-DADE

Date Of Registration:
3/4/2016

Party:
Republican Party of Florida

Voter Status:
Active*

I only posted excerpts of the article. Read more here

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.1    6 years ago

Wow, his rantings remind me of a poster here on Newstalkers.  

Cheers jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
10  PJ    6 years ago

We have an opportunity here to address the reality of this situation.  The whole reality including Mr. Trump's role in stoking violence.   It's not a time for gloating.  It's not a time for those on the right to deny or downplay Mr. Trump's role.   

We have an opportunity to treat this seriously and like grown-ups. Not to use it as a tool against our political opponents.   

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  PJ @10    6 years ago

Always the voice of reason.

<sigh>

Ok....I'll tone it down

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  PJ @10    6 years ago

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PJ
Masters Quiet
10.2.1  PJ  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.2    6 years ago

Hmmm......that's a good question.  Can you post some links that show Mr. Obama calling for violence and labeling political opponents as evil.

I guess you know I'm being flippant. 

Com'on Sean. 

We can certainly discuss whether Mr. Obama's policies stoked anger but there is no comparison on how Mr. Obama has conducted himself and how Mr. Trump has conducted himself.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
10.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @10.2.1    6 years ago
We can certainly discuss whether Mr. Obama's policies stoked anger but there is no comparison on how Mr. Obama has conducted himself and how Mr. Trump has conducted himself.

You have simply missed the point.  Regardless of who is President and how they conduct themselves there have been and always be those who commit heinous acts.  Your failing attempt to blame Trump for every nut case running around is as foolish and desparate as someone trying to blame Obama for the same.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2.3  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.2    6 years ago

Why do you trump supporters always have to engage in what aboutism? This is the president you voted for and he fucked up. Address that, why don't you?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
10.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.2    6 years ago
Regardless of who is President and how they conduct themselves there have been and always be those who commit heinous acts.

CYA bullshit.  Too late for you to try to play the calm, measured non-partisan.  You're too well known.  

 
 
 
PJ
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10.2.5  PJ  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.2    6 years ago

I'm not sure I've blamed Mr. Trump for all nutcases that have surfaced.  I'll reflect on that point.  Thanks for your feedback. 

I try to avoid the "whataboutism" but I wanted to engage with Sean.  I'll make a point not to get sucked into that again and just overlook the bait.  

We should be focusing on the current issues but I understand why it's important to assert that Mr. Trump's behavior shouldn't be considered. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
10.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.3    6 years ago

It's ok Trout...calm down. You have no idea who I voted for or support....so please just post about the comments if you are going to address me.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2.7  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.6    6 years ago

What atheist said. Your comments that I have read over the years reveal who you really are

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
10.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.7    6 years ago

"who I really am"...wow ok. lol.  Let's get back to the comment...you always go personal when you can't give a rational response.  

Do you have a rational comment or not?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2.9  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.8    6 years ago

Yeah....you're not all sweetness and light as you want some of these people to think.

I don't have anything rational to say to an unrational person, so please take the last word because I know you're dying to

 
 
 
Sunshine
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10.2.10  Sunshine  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.9    6 years ago

lol...always picking a fight.

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Trout Giggles
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10.2.11  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @10.2.10    6 years ago

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I knew you'd fall into my trap! All of you have to have the last word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.2.13  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.11    6 years ago
All of you have to have the last word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Ender
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10.2.14  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.11    6 years ago

Haha.  They just can't help it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2.15  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @10.2.14    6 years ago

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Don;t I know it.

I've been writing out nasty comments but not posting them. That's helped

 
 
 
charger 383
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11  charger 383    6 years ago

Glad he was caught, if he is found guilty I think he should be publicly hung

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @11    6 years ago

Well, nobody was injured but I like the idea of a long prison sentence in a Super Max facility

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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11.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  charger 383 @11    6 years ago
Glad he was caught, if he is found guilty I think he should be publicly hung

I'd rather see a version of the Ancient Mariner:  have him permanently handcuffed to "president" Scumbag so that they're always together.  Very fitting, don't you think. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12  Sean Treacy    6 years ago

It's interesting watching the politicized reactions to this. Don't get me wrong, this guy belongs in jail for a long, long time. But he didn't hurt anyone and it doesn't appear there was a potential to hurt anyone as the reports I've seen said the bombs were inoperable.

What he did was no different than the man who just sent fake ricin letters to Ted Cruz and Susan Collins over their Kavanaugh vote.  Yet, somehow this guy is a national story requiring Republicans to answer for him, yet the fake ricin letter guy is ignored. No one (in the MSM)  is demanding Democratic leaders apologize for inspiring the fake ricin letters, but Trump is somehow responsible for the fake pipe bombs. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.2  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    6 years ago

His bombs didn't go off because he's an inept bomb maker (thank christ!)

How do you know he didn't want someone to be hurt? I don't, either, and I'm not willing to speculate right now. But someone that sends fake ricin knows he's not out to hurt anyone, just scare them or whatever. The ricin guy needs a long vacay in a Super Max facility, too, don't get me wrong. But my point is he knew he wasn't going to hurt anybody. Can we say that about the MAGA bomber?

 
 
 
devangelical
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12.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.2    6 years ago

MAGA Bomber. bwah ha ha ha!!! awesome!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.2.2  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @12.2.1    6 years ago

I can't take credit for that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.2    6 years ago
an we say that about the MAGA bomber?

Considering the bombs were apparently made with obvious defects to remove the possibility of an explosion, it's a logical assumption. . 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.2.4  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.2.3    6 years ago

I think he was inept bomb builder.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.3  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    6 years ago

did the fake ricin guy have pictures of republicans with cross hairs on them plastered all over his van?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12.3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @12.3    6 years ago

Oh, it's okay to send fake ricin letters to send as long as you don't have "cross hairs"

What a bizarre argument.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.3.2  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.3.1    6 years ago

The bizarre argument is saying that it should not be all over the news.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    6 years ago

As you fairly predicted Sean, they are ignoring your point in their political revelry......

A liberal democrat does it with fake poison, nothing....

A maybe republican does it with fake bombs, every republican is a terrorist.

They just cannot escape their hypocrisy... (they don't want to)

Nothin new...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.4.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @12.4    6 years ago

Some of us can admit our hypocrisy...can you?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.4.1    6 years ago

I don't support terrorism in any form, it's sad to see that the other side does...

What was that about hypocrisy?

And thank you for the admission....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.4.3  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @12.4.2    6 years ago

I'm not supporting terrorism, where do you get that? All I said is I'm glad that this criminal turned out to be a trump supporter. I admitted that's what I hoped he would be. None of you want to admit that you wanted him to be the total opposite, which is really ironic from all that false flag bullshit you all were spewing yesterday.

And I take back what I said about you yesterday.

Look, if you don't want to have a serious discussion and admit your faults and the fact that you were wrong, I would appreciate you kindly leaving my seed.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.4.4  PJ  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.4.1    6 years ago

I would call it constantly promoting false equivalencies.  He worked in the WH at one time.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  It's political spin - smoke and mirrors - whataboutism....  He's pretty good at it because he comes off reasonable.  BEWARE.  jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.4.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  PJ @12.4.4    6 years ago

And they can't give credit where it's due

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.4.6  PJ  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.4.5    6 years ago

Admitting that your guy is everything people warned supporters about prior to the election would be admitting they were dubbed or wrong.  I hate admitting when I'm wrong.....wait, what....I don't think I've been wrong before......hahahahaha,  never mind on that point.  jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

We are playing tug-a-war and we've all dug in our heels.  I don't see either side letting go anytime soon.  

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4.7  Nowhere Man  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.4.3    6 years ago

What I was saying yesterday wasn't claiming a false flag like others were, it was speculation. I'm still not convinced this is a republican anything, given the things I know and experience I've had.

The speculation was towards that when they caught this nutcase, the FIRST thing everyone was going to want to know was his political affiliation. And that was against those who thought otherwise.

I was proven right....

Why would it be the most important thing? well this seed/article is the perfect example.

Your side can have the orgasmic explosion of "See we are right, and you are wrong" and have your celebratory party.

The hypocrisy comes in when you ignore the facts of the terror attempts that flow left to right...

Like the aforementioned fake Ricin letters sent to people the left hates and a long list of terror acts committed against the side you people hate....

Your refusal to look at your own side or condemn it's acts is rampant. Or the allusions to killing republicans, is it all republicans? all conservatives? or just T-rump supporters?

Yeah you excuse the need to look at such behavior from your side by labeling it "Whataboutism"

And yes the other side has it whataboutists also...

All it means is both sides are going absolutist. Nothing new, we have seen it from both sides over the last 18 years. The left did start it with their reactions and treatment of Bush II which are identical to the treatment of T-rump. the rightists are not immune either with their treatment of Obama...

The hate has been flowing for almost a generation now.... with no signs of abating....

So go ahead have your party enjoy your pyrrhic victory.

Just please don't claim you've won anything.

We all have lost...

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  PJ @12.4.6    6 years ago
We are playing tug-a-war and we've all dug in our heels.  I don't see either side letting go anytime soon.

Wow, that's the most sensible thing I seen you write today, and guess what?

I agree...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
12.4.10  Ender  replied to  Nowhere Man @12.4.2    6 years ago

So much for your middle of the road spiel.

The other side does? Give me a break.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.4.11  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @12.4.10    6 years ago

He's no middle of the roader. I'll give him credit for that.

But that's all I'm giving him credit for

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
12.4.12  PJ  replied to    6 years ago

No, it's not.  NWM has worked in the WH and does know how to play the political game.  We used to be buds until he turned into a Mr. Trump supporter and broke my heart.  

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Ender
Professor Principal
12.4.13  Ender  replied to  Nowhere Man @12.4.7    6 years ago

Any claim can be called speculation.

Any speculation can be called a claim.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4.14  Nowhere Man  replied to  PJ @12.4.12    6 years ago

I"m sorry I broke you heart sweetie, I really didn't mean to.

That being said, I did not vote for T-rump, it is you that have decided I'm a T-rump supporter, probably cause I really do not support the current liberal viewpoint.

So it is what it is I cannot change your opinions and am not really trying to, I've found that people will believe whatever the hell they wish to. Even sweet things like you.

And contrary to popular opinion, I do not hate liberals, but I will admit to a strong dislike for their political beliefs. At least as equally strong as they dislike mine.....

But I take solace in the fact that if they dislike my political beliefs then they must absolutely hate Jack Kennedy's beliefs, cause I am a Kennedy Democrat. Always have been always will be...

I did not change my beliefs, the parties changed theirs...

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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12.4.15  Nowhere Man  replied to  Ender @12.4.13    6 years ago

Cute, True, but still cute...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.4.16  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nowhere Man @12.4.14    6 years ago
I did not vote for T-rump

your stock went up a quarter point

but that's all

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
12.4.17  Nowhere Man  replied to  Ender @12.4.10    6 years ago
So much for your middle of the road spiel.

Never claimed to be middle of the road. I just claim to be me.

And when you get more politically astute, you will realize that all politics is about the "Other" side....

Just the way it is....

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Quiet
16  lady in black    6 years ago

FBI says 13 bombs were sent nationwide: "These are not hoax devices"

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
17  seeder  Trout Giggles    6 years ago

Locking this seed

 
 

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