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‘The Bible May Not Be Taught’: Bishop on Trial for Biblical Beliefs Says Finland Has Made Secularism Its New Religion

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  2 years ago  •  35 comments

By:   Steve Warren

‘The Bible May Not Be Taught’: Bishop on Trial for Biblical Beliefs Says Finland Has Made Secularism Its New Religion
“The events in Finland should serve as a nine-alarm fire to those who cherish the very political experiment in ordered liberty that enabled America and Western Civilization to flourish. The basic rights of religious freedom and free speech are under attack across the globe. When such blatant attacks are directed at high-profile figures in a Western democracy like Finland, we have a duty to raise the alarm and come to their defense,”

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     With their taking of power and the ability to shove their twisted malum-normative* ethos, they have hypocritically shown absolute intolerance to those who dare not enthusiastically affirm their own beliefs.  No where can that bee seen by some of the lunacy when it comes to children and genderbending/sexuality.


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‘The Bible May Not Be Taught’: Bishop on Trial for Biblical Beliefs Says Finland Has Made Secularism Its New Religion


Steve Warren March 4, 2022


A Finnish church bishop who’s on trial alongside a Finnish politician says Finland has replaced Christianity with a new state religion of “secularism” – a belief system that will block the Bible from being taught in public.

Bishop Juhana Pohjola is accused of hate speech for his biblical views, charged with violating the dignity and equality of the LGBTQ population. He recently said he blames the downfall of Finnish Christianity on the cultural shift that occurred in Western societies more than 50 years ago. 

As CBN’s Faithwire reported in January, Pohjola, 49, a bishop in the Evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland (ELMDF), has publicly offered biblical statements about sexuality and also published lawmaker Päivi Räsänen’s book  Male and Female He Created Them: Homosexual Relationships Challenge the Christian Concept of Humanity.

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The ELMDF, a religious body comprised of churches that broke away from Finland’s national church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, over doctrinal issues, is being held liable for the book, which was published in 2004.

Pohjola is editor-in-chief of publications distributed by the Luther Foundation Finland — the legal group behind ELMDF. He was charged by Finland’s Office of the Prosecutor General with creating incitement against a group of people.

The pair’s trial began on Jan. 24 and continued into mid-February. The court will issue its decision on March 30, the ELMDF posted on its website

Pohjola told  Fox News  that his country has had a long Christian tradition since the Middle Ages, “The Finnish flag has a cross on it – like all Scandinavian countries – as a sign of common Christian heritage,” he said. But starting around 1970, there was a shift in the majority of the Lutheran church which led to secularism.  

“Cultural and sexual revolution, secularism, rise of individualism and postmodern critique on all structures and concept of truth,” the bishop said. “If previously the majority in the established Lutheran church were ‘believing and belonging,’ it shifted to ‘belonging without believing’ and is now rapidly moving to ‘not belonging and not believing.'”

During final arguments, Pohjola’s defense team denied the charges against him. They criticized the prosecution for not presenting grounds for their accusations. Since the prosecutors failed to state the evidence for the charges, that left the defendants with little opportunity to defend themselves against those charges, the diocese’s website reported. 

Pohjola said, “The prosecutor’s primary idea seems to be that, in public, one’s own understanding of the Bible may not be taught, and that freedom of religion does not give one permission to voice aloud a teaching if it is considered to discriminate against a minority group. Therefore, in line with this view, the biblical teachings on marriage, sexuality, sin, and grace could not, according to the prosecution, be preached in public. This is an attack on religious freedom.”

As Faithwire noted in January, Pohjola told Christianity Today he has deep worries about the implications the court proceedings could have for individuals in Finland.

In particular, the Christian leader is concerned about self-censorship due to fear of prosecution.

“I do not so much fear the outcome of the court case, but the strong signal it gives to many: to be silent,” he told the outlet. “I fear self-censorship and intimidation.”

Pohjola said he believes in the “God-given dignity, value and human rights of those who identify themselves as homosexuals,” but that he also holds to the biblical belief same-sex acts are sinful and not in line with the truth.

As CBN News previously reported, Räsänen, who has been under investigation since 2019, was charged with three counts of hate speech and could face two years in prison. One of the elements that landed her in the crosshairs is a tweet from June 17, 2019, in which she presented Romans 1:24-27, which condemns homosexuality as sinful.

Räsänen told CBN News last year she believes the charges against her will inevitably speak to whether a person in Finland is free to express his or her biblical convictions.

In an  op-ed  for Fox News last month, U.S. Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) and Family Research Council President Tony Perkins wrote about Pohjola and Räsänen’s trial and what the rapid rise of radical secularism in Western governments could mean for Americans.

“As a politician, Räsänen should have every right to engage in debate on controversial topics without facing criminal charges. And as a Christian minister, Bishop Pohjola should at the very least be free to publish a pamphlet articulating a Biblical worldview without the possibility of jail time – as should all citizens regardless of their vocation or calling in life,” Roy and Perkins wrote. 

“For years, many have warned that Western governments have been overtaken by radical secularism — guided by a disdain of Christianity — and that the slippery slope would result in people of faith facing trial for living out their beliefs in the public square. In Finland, the slide has stopped; that day has come,” the op-ed continued. 

Roy and Perkins, however, warned this is not just a Finnish problem for the Finnish people, but should sound an alarm for all Americans. 

“The events in Finland should serve as a nine-alarm fire to those who cherish the very political experiment in ordered liberty that enabled America and Western Civilization to flourish. The basic rights of religious freedom and free speech are under attack across the globe. When such blatant attacks are directed at high-profile figures in a Western democracy like Finland, we have a duty to raise the alarm and come to their defense,” they wrote. 


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    2 years ago
As a politician Räsänen should have every right to engage in debate on controversial topics without facing criminal charges And as a Christian minister Bishop Pohjola should at the very least be free to publish a pamphlet articulating a Biblical worldview without the possibility of jail time – as should all citizens regardless of their vocation or calling in life,” Roy and Perkins wrote

“For years many have warned that Western governments have been overtaken by radical secularism — guided by a disdain of Christianity — and that the slippery slope would result in people of faith facing trial for living out their beliefs in the public square. In Finland, the slide has stopped; that day has come,” the op-ed continued

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    2 years ago

“The prosecutor’s primary idea seems to be that, in public, one’s own understanding of the Bible may not be taught, and that freedom of religion does not give one permission to voice aloud a teaching if it is considered to discriminate against a minority group. Therefore, in line with this view, the biblical teachings on marriage, sexuality, sin, and grace could not, according to the prosecution, be preached in public. This is an attack on religious freedom.”

Roy and Perkins, however, warned this is not just a Finnish problem for the Finnish people, but should sound an alarm for all Americans.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2  cjcold    2 years ago

The organized and well-funded pushing of a mental/emotional drug like heroin should be closely monitored.

Seems that much of the social violence today can be laid at the feet of right-wing religious fanatics who worship mythology, superstition and hate of the other.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @2    2 years ago
The organized and well-funded pushing of a mental/emotional drug like heroin should be closely monitored.

That is why the bicoastal secular progressive urban elites and their limousine liberal friends and the proponents of such intolerance must be closely watched and contained.  

Seems that much of the social violence today can be laid at the feet of right-wing religious fanatics who worship mythology and superstition. 

The social violence comes almost solely from far left fanatics and domestic terrorists like Antifa and BLM.  Also the mythology and superstition of the secular fascist pro science consensus and its intolerance for a diversity of competing ideas and values is well noted. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 years ago

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[everyone has the same right to edit their comments for 10 minutes,]

[maybe you should consider waiting that long to reply...]

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.2  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 years ago

Sorry, I am not bicoastil. This liberal lives in Kansas. 

This liberal has been fighting far right-wing fascists forever.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.3  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @2.1.2    2 years ago

Which means I will always be an enemy of far right wing fascism.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 years ago
The social violence comes almost solely from far left fanatics 

Bullshit!

Here are just a few of the right wing fanatic murderers from recent history.  There are more.

Timothy McVeigh, right wing fanatic, white supremacist, mass murderer

800

Dylann Roof, right wing fanatic, white supremacist, mass murderer

800

John Earnest, right wing fanatic, anti-Semite, murderer

800

Buford O. Furrow, Jr., right wing fanatic, Neo-Nazi, murderer

800

Anders Breivik, right wing fanatic, Neo-Nazi, mass murderer

800

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.4    2 years ago

The fortunately rare exceptions to what I said, thus my qualifier word “almost” 

Also the neo nazi fascists are actually national socialists and thus of the left.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @2.1.3    2 years ago

But that’s not what this seed is about.  It is about the free expression of literal biblical beliefs and values and how fascist secularism is threatening religious liberty, individual rights, and personal freedom.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @2.1.2    2 years ago

There are blue voters in red areas and red ones in blue areas.  The democrat party has virtually given up on places like where you live.  I’m sure you have plenty of neighbors who believe as the ones on trial for their faith and beliefs in Finland do.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    2 years ago
rare exceptions

That's false and you can't provide proof in support any of your comments on here.

the neo nazi fascists are actually national socialists and thus of the left

That comment is insane.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    2 years ago

His change was after the 10 minutes at minute 19 just to set the record straight.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.8    2 years ago
That's false and you can't provide proof in support any of your comments on here.

If I was wrong, you’d be shouting it from the roof tops how many kkk, neo nazi, and other far right violent types there actually are in the USA instead of exaggerating the threat like the misogynistic racists at the Southern Poverty Law Center openly does.  

That comment is insane. 

No, it is not.  It’s the factual truth!  

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.11  Hallux  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    2 years ago
"Also the neo nazi fascists are actually national socialists and thus of the left."
You have been brainwashed:

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Hallux @2.1.11    2 years ago

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Hallux
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2.1.13  Hallux  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.12    2 years ago

Is that one of those participation prizes?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.14  Gsquared  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.12    2 years ago

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arkpdx
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2.1.15  arkpdx  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.14    2 years ago

Hallux already did. He said that xxjefferson was brainwashed. In order to be brainwashed by definition they must have a brain. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.15    2 years ago

We can defeat liberal “logic” and “reason” with half our brains tied behind our backs! And we do it all the time. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.17  Gsquared  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.15    2 years ago

That's not proof of anything.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.18  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    2 years ago

                                                                                                       "Bicoastal secular progessive urban elites"  ???    Are they anything like  oligarchs?    ( Maybe like  Oligarchs but with no money...you know, your basic " All hat and no cattle syndrome...?     

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.19  bbl-1  replied to  Hallux @2.1.11    2 years ago

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Krishna
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2.1.20  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.9    2 years ago

                                                                                                                            People are saying that at precisely 19 minutes aftermidnight he changed into   a Pumpkin!                   

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.21  arkpdx  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.19    2 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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2.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.21    2 years ago

Well said.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Krishna @2.1.20    2 years ago

Just setting the record straight…that I didn’t copy and paste and reply to his comment until after the 10 minutes mentioned.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @2    2 years ago
The organized and well-funded pushing of a mental/emotional drug like heroin should be closely monitored.

It's too bad Timothy Leary was ever allowed to teach. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 years ago

Ain't free speech a bitch, eh?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3  SteevieGee    2 years ago

Perhaps the Finnish people are fed up with that idiot who's always on that corner with a bullhorn spouting radical christo-facist dogma and anger that his speech has been trampled.  Come on, admit it.  You know exactly who I'm talking about.  We've all seen him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  SteevieGee @3    2 years ago

What you speak of I have no idea but it has nothing to do with the member of parliament or the bishop in my story.  We don’t trample upon free speech because one is offended or inconvenienced. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    2 years ago

I've never read the Finnish Constitution.  Do they have free speech?

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2  Krishna  replied to  SteevieGee @3    2 years ago

                                                            Yeah I've seen the dude ... it about time he decides to Finnish with his bullshit and crawl back under the rock from whence he came!           

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    2 years ago

The 'story' left out many details---------BUT-------could it be possible that Finland is using the 'Barney Fife' mantra to "Nip it in the bud," in order to subdue christian talibanism?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @5    2 years ago

Let’s celebrate that the MP and Bishop from Finland dramatically won their case big time! jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 

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