Nearly half the country doesn't think Biden received '81 million votes in 2020 election': Poll | Washington Examiner
By: cwtremo (Washington Examiner)
Surprise.......................
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Public opinion polls have not been too kind to President Joe Biden.
The most recent polls show that most people think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and most disapprove of Biden's job performance. Now, a new survey revealed that nearly half the people in the country do not believe that Biden received 81 million votes in the 2020 presidential election.
According to Rasmussen Reports, 49% of voters agreed with the statement, ""There is no way Joe Biden got 81 million votes in the 2020 election," including 33% who strongly agree. Conversely, 44% of the country disagrees with the statement, including 35% who "strongly disagree." The poll was conducted between June 25-27, 2023, and consisted of "1,051 U.S. likely voters."
Perhaps the most surprising revelation was that those who agreed with the statement included 31% of Democrats and 45% of voters who chose not to identify with any political party, compared to 72% of Republicans. And while it's unsurprising that so many Republicans agreed with the statement, it is that nearly half of all unaffiliated voters and over 30% of Democrat voters did. The results suggest that much of the country feels election results cannot be trusted.
Additionally, Rasmussen reinforced this lack of trust in the validity of elections with another survey that showed that 66% of the country is "concerned that the outcome of the 2024 presidential election will be affected by cheating, including 40% who are very concerned."
These results included the majority of Democrat and Republican respondents. Also, the "majorities of every racial category" revealed that they are "at least somewhat concerned that the outcome of the 2024 presidential election will be affected by cheating."
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Regardless of one's political affiliation, these results are a damning reflection of the trust in government in the country. It is something that should concern everyone.
Voter turnout for elections is already a challenge, especially in non-presidential elections. Suppose the majority of likely voters start to lose faith in elections and not believe the results are honest. In that case, it will lead to a further political divide and, ultimately, a deterioration of our constitutional republic. Moreover, it's indicative of just how important election integrity should be in the upcoming election.
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Amen.
All this poll indicates is that a large portion of the American people is brainwashed.
The election results in every state have been examined and re-examined. The only thing that can make an election invalid is if people vote who are not eligible to vote. The states know who voted and didnt vote, and they all certified their elections.
What this poll result shows us is how effective bamboozling and disinformation is in shaping opinion among the low information citizen.
This poll shows us that leftists that use to question government have succumbed to Big Brother (so long as they are in charge that is).
Hypocrisy also noted. Tell Hillary and the rest of the Democrats that Trump won in 2016. Russia didn't change one damn vote. It spent less than 1 million dollars on advertising- and attack both sides. There are many other examples as well.
Some folks just put far too much faith in political polls.
Hillary conceded. There weren't any Cyber Ninja stuff, dozens of lawsuits and hundreds of death threats.
So------------what in the hell is it you are inferring?
Obviously. How else can 40% approval rating for Brandon be explained?
It can be easily explained by democrats huge investment in getting out democrat partisan voters.
He has no clue
Your loser lost BIGLY!
81 MILLION VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump won by the skin of his teeth in 2016.
Happy?
But I have one of those...
Ahh, nearly half the country believes an 'Orange Peel' is, "A really smart guy."
It concerns me that this poll might be statistically sound. I like to (wishfully) think our electorate is smarter than this.
There is another article where a news station states this group will not divulge its methodology.
There is no way in the world more people are for overturning abortion.
I have read some amazingly stupid opinions in my life in the realms of politics and religion. Very few things would shock me at this point.
After having spent the first 20 years of my adult life in the military at the whim of elected officials in DC, tell me about it. Seems everybody had theories about what we were doing and why and most were dead wrong.
Lolo, were you in Iraq as well?
BIDEN ON PUTIN: “He is clearly losing the war in Iraq”
I don't blame people for wondering how it could be.
No, Vic, it does not matter how badly Biden screws up, that is not a reason to leap to Trump's demonstrably wrong (and ridiculous) conspiracy theory that Biden is not the duly elected PotUS due to a rigged election.
The two are independent items.
He is not screwing up. He has done exactly what the radical extreme left wanted done. Have you noticed that Bernie Sanders is not in the DNC primary this year?
that is not a reason to leap to Trump's demonstrably wrong (and ridiculous) conspiracy theory that Biden is not the duly elected PotUS due to a rigged election.
Did I leap to that conclusion? There was no fraud. There was a lot of legal shit that went on.
The two are independent items.
Yes, they are.
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and only uses the DNC when he wants to run for president.
Sanders supports Biden for reelection...
Because Biden already enacted many of Bernie's policies.
It was all part of the dirty deal that got dumb ass the nomination.
So when you quoted Biden stating Iraq instead of Ukraine, you did not intend for readers to take that as an example of a screw up?
Really?
Hard to say ... my first reaction was to deem your comment too vague but I decided to comment on the most obvious interpretation anyway.
But you illustrate again why people write vague comments ... to provide wiggle room.
Okay Vic, what, specifically, is the point you were trying to make with this:
That is not a Biden policy, like AN OPEN BORDER or A WAR ON US OIL PRODUCTION. I can live with him being senile. I can't live with the left's policies.
Okay Vic, what, specifically, is the point you were trying to make with this:
My point, the obvious point, is that is why so many question how such a person got a record number of votes. In the 2020 election he had no policies only gaffs.
Sorry if you didn't get it.
Biden won the election largely because he was running against Trump. He won in spite of his known flaws.
You pointing out a mental mistake in 2023 (something that should not surprise anyone) does not explain anything about 2020. Yet another example of a known flaw.
And your gargantuan leap from you quoting his mistake into your rejection of D policies is a bit ridiculous. Non sequitur at the very least.
For sure. It will be the same playbook for 2024.
You pointing out a mental mistake in 2023 (something that should not surprise anyone) does not explain anything about 2020. Yet another example of a known flaw.
Three times isn't sufficient? The rational human being wonders how bad an alternative could be to cause 80 million to vote for a dunce!
And your gargantuan leap from you quoting his mistake into your rejection of D policies is a bit ridiculous.
There was no leap. Two different things. I think his policies destroyed the country.
His idiotic statements are part of the reason many question how the hell he got the record vote.
You still can't distinuish between the two things?
Already explained that … he was running against Trump.
Remember the point of this exercise? It was to try and understand why so many can't believe how many votes Biden got.
I doubt all that many people thought the mere mention of Trump's name could generate 80 million anti-Trump votes.
Well Vic, those votes actually happened no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.
You dont get it. The majority of Americans cannot stand Donald Trump. That is why he lost.
LMAO.
Oh they happened. And the Twin Towers were hit and Pearl Harbor bombed. Somethings can't be denied, but for the time being people still are allowed to ask how & why.
Then why did he win in 2016?
When provided the most obvious answer based on the facts, why do you continue to ask why?
Is it so hard for you to believe that the majority of the electorate believed Trump should NOT have a second term?
If Trump is the nominee, are you still planning to vote for him?
IMO
That 80 million people hate Trump? Let us assume that your premise is true. The question is why did they hate him? And where were they in 2016?
Is it so hard for you to believe that the majority of the electorate believed Trump should NOT have a second term?
Based on performance, It is hard for me to understand it. If they come out like that again after Biden's first three years, I'd have to say that America would be unbearable. I'd consider Australia.
If Trump is the nominee, are you still planning to vote for him?
You still don't get it! As Trump's newest enemy, his former AG recently said:
“I certainly have made it clear I don’t think he should be our nominee, and I’m going to support somebody else for the nomination,” Barr told NBC’s “Today” show in an interview. But “because I believe that the greatest threat to the country is the progressive agenda being pushed by the Democratic Party,” Barr added, “it’s inconceivable to me that I wouldn’t vote for the Republican nominee.”
That is my feeling too.
I love number 8. That's the one that will haunt Biden this time around!
Where did the word 'hate' come from? Does it occur to you that there are voters who would cast a vote based on who would be the least worst without experiencing hatred?
You did not pay close attention then to how Trump reacted when his good times economy was interrupted with the pandemic and apparently did not see how Trump was more interested in painting an illusion that all is well instead of dealing with the pandemic head on and honestly.
I get it ... pure partisan; as I have told you for years. So partisan that you would even vote for Trump — even now with all he has done. It is inconceivable that you would not vote for the GOP nominee whoever that is.
Well, because of that attitude (shared by so many others), you collectively have made it possible for Trump to actually displace a candidate you want and become the GOP nominee. In effect, you, Barr, et. al. have made it possible for the GOP to yet again fail to win the presidency.
Do you also recognize the degree to which Trump's actions will hurt him in the general?
Trump won in 2016 by barely sneaking out an electoral college victory in a few swing states while losing the popular vote by nearly three millions of votes. In 2020 he lost by a much larger margin!
You forgot his key appeal - to white grievance.
It practically explains the whole thing. Donald Trump should have been disqualified in the public eye simply because of his leadership role in birtherism in 2011. It is still astonishing that people dont understand that. Birtherism was not only ridiculous, it appealed to racism and as practiced by Trump was an open example of his proclivity to bold lying.
Yet in 2016 his attempt to humiliate the first black president wasnt disqualifying to his supporters, it was a badge of honor. Why? Because many of his voters felt the same way themselves. By 2016 white people thought they were losing grip on 'their" country, and Trump promised to restore it. "Make America Great Again" was an almost explicit argument that 8 years of a black president had changed the country dramatically from what they wanted.
That makes no sense. Are you saying that after 8 years of Obama that enough voters switched, because of racial reasons, to elect Trump and then decided the next best course of action was to elect a "slightly" confused older white guy?
You heard it here, folks.
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Yet he had a practically lifelong history of being a thug, grifter, thief, scumbag, sexual assaulter and yet he still 'won' the 'presidency' in 2016.
Makes me question the mental fitness of those who voted for it.
You are assuming that people had clear knowledge of Trump's past. I suspect most people knew of Trump by name recognition (e.g. Trump Towers, the Apprentice, ...).
Now, in contrast, most anyone with a brain should now be quite familiar with Trump's character and integrity based on his acts while in office and especially his Big Lie campaign topped off with the documents fiasco. So I would indeed question the rationality, responsibility and patriotism of those who would vote for such an abysmal character ... especially for the most powerful office on the planet.
I think most who voted for it did indeed have clear knowledge of its' past.
I'm past being fed up and thoroughly disgusted at his supporters and enablers and their PD&D plus delusion and their endless defense of the indefensible - that continues while anyone with a brain or sense KNOWS HIS PAST.
Funny how the 'right' hasn't brought up the looming/new/added charges regarding the former 'president' and his incited coup on 1/6 - 45 charges I believe.
If Trump is the nominee, we will see in the general election the difference between what the electorate knew of Trump in 2016 and what they know of him now.
A record setting 80 million of them? Nope. In elections where both candidates are unpopular, there is usually low turnout. A lot went into the 2020 election. All we can do is speculate, which is the purpose of the discussion. How many of those 80 million do you think the democrats found & solicited with their get out the vote campaign? How much did all that early voting help to get those who seldom vote to fill out a ballot? The idea that 80 million jumped out of bed to defeat the worse of two evils, is a bit of a stretch.
You did not pay close attention then to how Trump reacted when his good times economy was interrupted with the pandemic and apparently did not see how Trump was more interested in painting an illusion that all is well instead of dealing with the pandemic head on and honestly.
I was very focused on what was happening when the pandemic took hold. First: the msm immediately blamed Trump. Second: Trump simply followed the"expert" advice: AKA Dr Fauci and shut down a thriving economy. We have since learned that the CDC & the "experts" didn't have much of a clue as to how to handle the new virus. The "experts" did a lot of improvising just to respond. Clearly, as we discussed at the time, Trump got blamed.
I get it
No, you don't! To me and a lot of other normal human beings, the greatest threat to the nation is the American left, which controls the democratic party and in particular, that dumb ass the 80 million elected. You however want people to join you and the left in your emotional crusade to crucify Trump and everyone close to him.
Hopefully that will sink in, but I doubt it.
TiG, there is an interesting op-ed in "the Hill" today. The title is "What if Biden goes to prison instead of Trump?"
Yes, Vic. Do you think that 10s of millions of votes were fabricated? Is that what you are implying ... another ridiculous conspiracy theory?
You only remember what you want. You blot out the fact that Trump for months tried to downplay the pandemic when he should have been encouraging the nation to take sensible precautions. Equating COVID-19 to a bad case of the flu, suggesting it will be all over by April, etc. was patently irresponsible.
A ridiculous emotional claim.
What I want is for the GOP to disassociate from Trump and allow the nomination of a candidate who is fit for office. My comments are crystal clear in this regard (and have been for years). What you do not seem to comprehend is that Trump has and continues to damage the GOP. How you cannot comprehend that is flat out amazing, but your comments demonstrate this time and again.
What am I to do with this speculation?
If Biden committed a major crime then he should be held accountable.
Is this not obvious?
I think it is pretty much a safe bet that Joe Biden will never see the inside of a jail cell even if he could be inducted, tried, and found guilty on account of his age and frailty, along with his wealth and power. Probably more chance of Trump going. Either way, I refuse to support or vote for either one. Their are other better and more qualified potential candidates to choose from.
No TiG. This article was about why people question it. You kind of made it about what I think. I told you what I think. I think the democrats did a lot to make that happen. The GOP will now have to spend millions doing the same thing.
Is that what you are implying ... another ridiculous conspiracy theory?
Show me where I said anything about those votes being fabricated. The fact is that if Donald Trump was to get 80 or 90 million votes, you'd be among the first to say "I don't get it."
You blot out the fact that Trump for months tried to downplay the pandemic when he should have been encouraging the nation to take sensible precautions.
We got the precautions right from the experts. The lying media kept saying that Trump should have pulled out his magic wand. Admit it TiG, the media was intent on blaming Trump as soon as it arrived. Haven't you learned anything about Fauci's "precautions?"
Don't bother submitting anything from CNN. They were part of the Russia/collusion hoax.
What I want is for the GOP to disassociate from Trump and allow the nomination of a candidate who is fit for office.
But TiG, people with your mindset have made that impossible. Do you recall that Trump only had a 20 point lead over DeSantis before all of those legal charges that are an obvious political prosecution? You talk about conspiracy theories, yet here we have an obvious attempt to take out a presidential candidate that served to drum up support for him and none of the indictments that came or might come down will lead to a trial before the election.
A five year old can read it. Don't tell us that democrats are clean or that you want to help the GOP.
Speculation was the point of this particular article.
I think what Trump once said applies to Biden. Biden could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and go free!
Or the Bidens can rake in millions for nothing and go free!
I know you know that answer. To make it even more obvious: What happens if both Biden is suddenly out of the race?
That's already history. The "investigation" sat on the case until two of the more serious IRS charges had passed the statute of limitations and then they settled with Hunter on the most minor of his many offenses. Now the House has to go through hell to verify Whistleblower accounts of bribery and influence peddling.
Do you understand why the above comment (given no additional commentary was offered) is meaningless?
No, I don't. Perhaps you can enlighten us?
How about just asking the question you want answered instead of this vague beating around the bush?
If Biden is suddenly out of the race (assuming it is for legitimate reasons) then that would give the Ds the opportunity to put forth a strong, better candidate for PotUS.
Since the GOP seems to be hell bent on nominating Trump, I would applaud the opportunity to maybe have someone I could vote for.
No, TiG, they can't do that. It has to be Harris or the dems black constituents might just stay home.
Harris is less popular than Hillary Clinton.
I'll ask the obvious question again: What will the dirty dems do?
Pretend JR seeds an article that speculates Trump has been dealing directly with Putin during the war.
Given this is speculation, what if you asked JR what you are supposed to do with this speculation and he responded with nothing more than:
Speculation was the point of this particular article.
Did that provide any meaningful information to you?
That's a BS analogy.
This article is speculating on why so many people don't understand how a moron locked in his basement got 80 million votes.
That is open to speculation.
Did that provide any meaningful information to you?
No. That sounded like something that Hillary Clinton wrote.
Are you a serious person Vic? Do you truly wonder how Biden could get more votes against a known liar, crook, bigot , moron and cheat? Really?
The "people" saw Trump in office for four years and saw how he was destroying the morale of this country. That is why he lost and why Biden got 81 million votes. All the "wondering" in the world from you cant change that.
Apparently you think it is rational for people to use the number of people voting as evidence that votes were fabricated.
Why did you bring it up? Other than more people voting, what do you think the record breaking turnout means? Don't be vague, take a clear stand.
The media goes for sensationalism; you are deflecting. Trump's actions were his choices. He was not forced to take the actions he did.
I have been encouraging the GOP to disassociate from Trump for years. How does that make it impossible for the GOP to disassociate from Trump? I would applaud that move.
You just refuse to read what I write. I have told you directly that I am interested in Trump being held accountable for what he did in office. You never saw me rooting on lawsuits such as that from the State of New York.
But, regardless, the right thing to do is hold Trump accountable for his wrongful acts while PotUS (and as a former PotUS). If that helps him in the polls then that is unfortunate but that would not cause me to seek for him to NOT be held accountable. The priority is the rule of law.
The problem with Trump is people with your mindset. Without you, et.al. defending and promising support for Trump, he would not be a factor. You, et.al. enable Trump. You, et. al., continue to support/defend Trump by your own choices. You can choose to interpret the lawsuits as evidence of wrongdoing by Trump or evidence of a witch hunt by government. This is on you.
How you, et. al., cannot see that is sad.
Do you think you can change Vic's mind?
LOL.
We have to defeat these people, at the polls and in public opinion, not try to find common ground. Who wants to have common ground with extremists ?
Brilliant rebuttal.
A " moron locked in his basement ". And you expect people to take any point you make seriously after that absurd hyperbole?
The answer is that he was running against Trump. This indicates a substantial desire in the general electorate to NOT allow Trump access to the presidency. This desire will manifest again should Trump win the GOP nomination.
I never expect reason to be effective with an unreasonable mindset.
I post for the readers.
You keep wanting me to make that argument. I do not think those votes were fabricated! For me, it's kind of like when I was a kid. When I learned that Hitler was elected chancellor, I wanted to understand why the most advanced nation in Europe would do that. So the first real book I ever read was the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It took a while but I think I came to understand it.
Why did you bring it up?
Votes being fabricated? It was never brought up. The question of the article is why so many came out for Biden. Right now, I think the bigger question is how you failed to get it.
The media goes for sensationalism
The msm is a wing of the democratic party.
How does that make it impossible for the GOP to disassociate from Trump?
The democrats brought all these charges against the leading GOP candidate during a presidential campaign. Don't you think people will see it for what it is and rally around him. I truly hope that there is a monster scandal involving Joe Biden and the DOJ about to break. All the worst to those evil human beings!
How you, et. al., cannot see that is sad.
That's funny.
Then there is no point in bringing up the volume of votes. Especially in the context of this seed where people ostensibly claim there is no way Biden got 81 million votes.
Because he was running against Trump; he was the only option available to prevent another term for Trump. I gave you this answer when you first brought it up. Since that does not seem to satisfy you, and you continue to bring up the votes, you must have some other answer (which you apparently are reluctant to offer).
Yes the MSM favors the Ds. But you surely know that that the biggest MSM channel (Fox) favors the GOP.
Again you forge ridiculous questions as if you have never heard me argue that the downside of lawsuits is that the MAGA folks will use that to make Trump a martyr. Do you intentionally forget this or is it some kind of confirmation bias at play? Either way, pay attention.
No it is quite sad that you, et. al., continue to shoot your own foot and apparently have no clue that you are doing so.
You really should brush up on early American history. The Founding Fathers looked for common ground to build the foundation of our government. Whether you want to admit or not, extremism is not confined to any one ideology or political party. You say you do not want to have common ground with those you consider to be extremists. If that is so, then you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Because apparently so many people are incredibly stupid.
Not really, they are retards who cannot grasp basic math.
Gotta love SRV!
Agreed.
I absolutely agree that Biden did not get 81 million votes in 2020. He got 81,283,501.
What these MAGA do not understand is that Americans despise their cult leader, and many of them felt democracy was on the line in the 2020 election. So they turned out to vote. Biden got 81 million votes because more people voted than ever before (the population goes up every year after all), and the plurality of all who voted rejected Trump. It is also known that tens of thousands , if not more, Republican voters left the presidential line blank when they voted. They voted for all the Republicans in their state except Trump.
I remember you said that back when nobody could define Biden's campaign policies. It was an anti-Trump vote.
A complete victory for the left wing media and their non-stop lies.
THE LEFT WING MEDIA AND THEIR NON--STOP LIES????
I dont listen to extremists, sorry.
I think you do.
No, you do.
Hoist by his own petard!
Polls shmolls...
And I say that because of this recent poll
A new Monmouth poll finds 30% of respondents believe Biden's victory came thanks to voter fraud, while 59% say he won the election "fair and square." That share is virtually unchanged in Monmouth's polling since November of 2020 — the share of Americans who believe it remained between 32% and 29%.
So....
polls shmolls
30% of Americans are fucking idiots, what a shock.
That is alot of votes for a person whose ancestors owned slaves.
"President Joe Biden and every living former U.S. president except Donald Trump are direct descendants of slaveholders: Jimmy Carter, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama."
There are only four living ex-presidents yet only Trump has Nazi ancestors, his father Fred...
Your source is The Globe?
LMMFAO!
Trump's father was born in America. He was never a Nazi.
Your source is full of shit and I can barely (!) believe you swallowed that swill.
You just cited the Globe tabloid as a source. Well done.
What's next, Elvis Sighted Working as a Greeter at Walmart? Bigfoot Exclusive Interview! ?
So you going to denounce all of them?
This is exactly what happens when you type something like "Trump Nazi" into your search engine and then just link the first thing you see because you 'think' might support some bizarre claim.
Not much of a stretch to understand some liberals would see the Globe as a legitimate news source since so many of them think comedians are supplying them with 'news'.
Not only are you wrong as there is no proof that Trump's father was a Nazi, but you also cannot count. There are five living ex-presidents.
Math, like economics, is sometimes hard!