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Target to Drop Mark Levin Book for Fear of Offending Democrats

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  last year  •  146 comments

By:   Joel B. Pollak (Breitbart)

Target to Drop Mark Levin Book for Fear of Offending Democrats
Target has informed Mark Levin that it will not carry his new book, The Democrat Party Hates America, for fear of offending Democrats.

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Target has reportedly informed conservative radio host and litigator Mark Levin, via his publisher, that it will not carry his new book, The Democrat Party Hates America, for fear of offending Democrats who shop there.

Levin, whose previous books have been New York Times bestsellers, made the revelation on Twitter yesterday:


Target has informed my publisher, Simon & Schuster, that it will not carry my new book when it is released on September 19. It claims that certain customers might be offended by the title. Imagine that! So, the corporatist leftwing censorship begins. I will discuss this in…
— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 5, 2023

Target's stance on Levin's book contrasts with the chain store's approach to controversial transgender-themed clothing, which it rolled out ahead of Pride Month, and which prompted a nationwide backlash by customers.

Target eventually made adjustments to its "LGBTQ" inventory, as the Associated Press reported at the time:


Target is removing certain items from its stores and making other changes to its LGBTQ merchandise nationwide ahead of Pride month, after an intense backlash from some customers including violent confrontations with its workers.

Target declined to say which items it was removing but among the ones that garnered the most attention were "tuck friendly" women's swimsuits that allow trans women who have not had gender-affirming operations to conceal their private parts. Designs by Abprallen, a London-based company that designs and sells occult- and satanic-themed LGBTQ clothing and accessories, have also created backlash.

Target confirmed that it has moved its Pride merchandise from the front of the stores to the back in some Southern stores after confrontations and backlash from shoppers in those areas.

The book, excerpts of which Levin has read on his radio show in recent episodes, is a strident attack on the way in which, Levin argues, the Democratic Party has weaponized government bodies to attack America's ideals.


Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News and the host of Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot on Sunday evenings from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET (4 p.m. to 7 p.m. PT). He is the author of the recent e-book, Neither Free nor Fair: The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election. His recent book, RED NOVEMBER, tells the story of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary from a conservative perspective. He is a winner of the 2018 Robert Novak Journalism Alumni Fellowship. Follow him on Twitter at @joelpollak.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    last year








This will be the final day for the Book Group.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

There isnt a single word in this video that is isnt regurgitated by the far right 24/7.

Mark Levin evidently doesnt know how to speak or spell.  There is no "Democrat Party" , there is a Democratic Party. The use of Democrat Party is along the same lines of the use of "Brandon" by the right to identify President Biden. In other words, aggressive stupidity. 

By the way , the thing Mark Levin is best known for is screaming at his radio audience for the past 20 years. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    last year

So, after trying and failing to deflect, you're OK with such blatant censorship and hypocrisy?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year

I commented on the video Vic posted. Try and pay attention. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    last year

I suggest you stop listening to him and refrain from buying his book.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    last year

I suggest you stop making suggestions to people that are not interested. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    last year

Okay, keep listening to him and buy his book.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year
So, after trying and failing to deflect, you're OK with such blatant censorship and hypocrisy?

If it is conservatives being censored, sure.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year

You didn't know?  That's the liberal way. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year
So, after trying and failing to deflect, you're OK with such blatant censorship and hypocrisy?

Are you opposed to a private company determining for themselves what they want to sell?  I thought republicans were pro-capitalism.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    last year
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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.8    last year

Ok.  So we now know YOU are good with blatant censorship and hypocrisy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.8    last year
Are you opposed to a private company determining for themselves what they want to sell? 

gee, that sounds exactly like you are in agreement with the SCOTUS ruling!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.8    last year

Target can do whatever they want and then live with the consequences of their decisions.  Whatever they may be.  I can only say if I was a stockholder I might start getting a little concerned about the company I invested in being swayed by a bunch of cry babies and not concentrating on making money for me.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year

But but but he raises his voice therefore he must be silenced! /S

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    last year
So, after trying and failing to deflect, you're OK with such blatant censorship and hypocrisy?

Why would it be censorship?

Are we really going to attempt to assert that any book Target doesn't carry is somehow censored?

It's not censorship when we decide that certain books don't belong in a school library, and it's not censorship when a retailer chooses to offer one book over another.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.10    last year
So we now know YOU are good with blatant censorship and hypocrisy

Censorship requires government to do it. This is a private company deciding what they do and don't want to sell. 

But you keep trying to spin it? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.15    last year
Censorship requires government to do it.

You mean like Biden's   Disinformation Governance Board that pushed the lies about Hunter's laptop that it was "Russian disinformation"

Here’s what Mayorkas’s choice to helm Biden’s “Ministry of Truth” once said about Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop, which many on the left and in the media dubbed as Russian disinformation in the weeks before the 2020 election. 

Oh wait, even the liberal media was in on it:

The New York Times and The Washington Post, which  both pushed  the same  conspiracy theory that the laptop came from Russia to hurt Joe Biden and help Donald Trump, recently confirmed that the laptop and its contents belong to Hunter Biden. A federal investigation into Hunter is expanding, with reports that he may have violated money laundering, tax and foreign lobbying laws. 

We can't forget about the dim bulb that was chosen to run this "Disinformation Governance Board",   Nina Jankowicz   .  

Jankowicz was also a big fan of the now-discredited (and laughable) Steele dossier.  Here’s what she tweeted about a guest appearance that Christopher Steele made on something called the “Infotagion” podcast: “Listened to this last night. Chris Steele (yes THAT Chris Steele) provides some great historical context about the evolution of disinfo. Worth a listen.”

Steele’s sources have since been proven not to be credible. His allegations of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, of Russian hookers and “pee tapes” — also not credible. Yet Jankowicz once recommended that we listen to “THAT Chris Steele” when it comes to disinformation.

Do us a favor and and, for once, at least TRY to keep up with what's going on.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.16    last year
You mean like Biden's   Disinformation Governance Board 

Yes.  

And both Biden AND Obama have pretty shite track records with regard to attempting to control information in a free society.  Apparently Orwell's works are more guidebooks for them instead of dystopian fiction.

That is wildly and massively different than a private retailer deciding they don't want to sell a book because it will create more nuisance than it's worth.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.17    last year

The rest of this thread was removed for an endless slap fight. It better stop. Only warning.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.12    last year

If I want to buy Levin's books I will just go to Walmart or Amazon.com. the closest Target to me is a hour away and I have zero desire to shop there as they are over rated and over priced.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    last year

If Target is going to stop selling things that may offend people they may as well shut the doors now.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year
they may as well shut the doors now

That's what the so-called "conservatives" have been saying about public schools and public libraries.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @2.1    last year
That's what the so-called "conservatives" have been saying about public schools and public libraries.

Really?

Which "ones"?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @2.1    last year
That's what the so-called "conservatives" have been saying about public schools and public libraries.

When there are no facts just make stuff up.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    last year

Educate yourself:

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    last year
When there are no facts just make stuff up.

The playbook of the so-called "conservatives", emulating their Lord and Master T.F.G.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.4    last year

Not with those links!

Amazingly not a one quotes a conservative saying to get rid of public education.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.5    last year
The playbook of the so-called "conservatives"

You have a copy of the playbook or just what left wing loons think is in the playbook?  What schools or libraries have been closed?  Or are you just gonna triple down on making shit up?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.7    last year
You have a copy of the playbook

That's hilarious.  Do right wing loons understand what a "figure of speech" is? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.8    last year

Why don't you ask the person you get your info from on the conservative playbook?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.8    last year

So that gets us back to when there are no facts just make stuff up.  What schools or libraries have been closed? 

 
 
 
George
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2.1.11  George  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.4    last year

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA........That's classic, using Media matters and Salon to tell someone what a right wing loon is thinking,  The term is out of favor but retarded seems appropriate when describing those sources as authorities on anything right wing. 

If that was humor well played, if not......

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.12  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.10    last year

Get back to me when you actually understand my comment.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  George @2.1.11    last year

Retarded does appropriately describe your comment.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.14  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.10    last year

No, Target has not been closed down either, but by you logic in comment #2 schools and libraries might as well shut down if they are going to remove books and not teach history that some people find offensive. Think before posting lame blatant rank bullshit!

Target quit selling all Pride paraphernalia because it offended customers, which was their decision to make regardless of how individuals felt about it. This was the same, a business decision!

 
 
 
George
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2.1.15  George  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.13    last year

I was thinking the same thing for most of your comments, so i will assume you actually believe those sources are experts on the right wing........Clarifies a lot of your comments. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.12    last year
Get back to me when you actually understand my comment.

Get back to me when you actually have a response to my original comment 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @2.1.15    last year
Clarifies a lot of your comments. 

I stopped counting but I think it was at least quadrupling down on ridiculous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  George @2.1.15    last year

Well, at least it is a small step forward from using late night comedians as news sources!

 
 
 
George
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2.1.19  George  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.18    last year

Is it? not sure Media Matters is anything but propaganda, at least the late night comedian is entertaining.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.14    last year
This was the same, a business decision!

I have no problem with them making business decisions.I question any and all business decisions if a stock drops by 18% in 6 months.  Seems they may be making some bad business decisions.  Time will tell if this is another.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @2.1.11    last year
The term is out of favor but retarded seems appropriate when describing those sources as authorities on anything right wing. 

You mean you are not supposed to go to left wing and DNC propaganda stations and web sites to find out what the republicans think?  That has to be a serious claim to some left wing loons.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.22  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.21    last year

You would obviously agree that an excellent source to understand what lunatic fringe right wingers (republicans as you refer to them) are "thinking" is reading their comments every day on this website.  It proves the failure of their home schooling.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.23  Gsquared  replied to  George @2.1.15    last year

I was thinking the same thing about almost all of your comments, but you are already aware of your comments' deficiencies.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.25  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.22    last year
You would obviously agree

No,   that shows you might not know what you think you know.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.26  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.25    last year

Based on your comments, I know about you and that's all that's needed for this discussion.

Now, I have some work to do so I'll leave you to waste peoples' time, if that's what you chose to do.

Have a wonderful life.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.25    last year
No,  I guess that shows you might not know what you think you know.

“It Isn't So Much That Liberals Are Ignorant. It's Just That They Know So Many Things That Aren't So.”

― Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.27    last year

One of my favorite Reagan Quotes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @2.1    last year

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Doesn't make any sense does it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.66  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.29    last year

Thread 3 was removed Gsquared

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.67  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    last year

It's the leftist liberal way.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4  TᵢG    last year

Seems like an easy call.   Target does not want to alienate 50% of its US customers with a book whose title is gratuitously inflammatory.    I suspect they would do likewise if someone published a book entitled 'Republicans are all Fascists'.

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  TᵢG @4    last year

Agree, I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch about this stuff, if you don't support a companies social policies don't shop there, A company if free to stock and sell whatever it likes. I don't understand announcing it. just don't carry it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @4.1    last year

While I agree with what you said I am not sure this was precipitated by a Target announcement as much as a Levine complaint about Targets letter to his publisher.  Of course I would love to see the actual letter from Target stating what Levine says.  I have my doubts if it really exists and if it does someone should be fired for saying the reason is some ones feelings may be hurt.. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4    last year
I suspect they would do likewise if someone published a book entitled 'Republicans are all Fascists'.

Maybe Amazon (maybe Target) should look at "American Fascism: How the GOP Is Subverting Democracy" Paperback.   Personally I don't put a lot of stock into a title of a book.  I really don't care.  If someone does not want to shop at a store for any reason that is on them.  I have to doubt if that title is going to alienate all that many people.  They might shake their head, not buy the book and move on with their lives.  I see a large part of the issue is companies feel the need to make everyone happy.  Now target is in the position of making some unhappy because of the name of the book if they sell it or making some unhappy for not selling the book.  IMO they should make a decision based on which unhappy people will have the greatest impact on their sales or profitability and go with it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2    last year
IMO they should make a decision based on which unhappy people will have the greatest impact on their sales or profitability and go with it.

Half of their customer base is rather substantial, right?

Looks like Amazon does carry both books and Target does NOT carry both books.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.1    last year
Half of their customer base is rather substantial, right?

You are assuming half of their base will be alienated.  While I agree there is the potential of about 50% I believe the actual number of people being alienated is much much much much less.  My guess would be a few hundred or some percentage of twitter users that seem to want to believe they speak for America.  But that is something Target should look at IMO.

            Looks like Amazon does carry both books and Target does NOT carry both books.

I have no problem with the choices they make, I do find it interesting that they seem to be consistent in their own decisions, assuming it was not by accident.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.2    last year
You are assuming half of their base will be alienated. 

I am assuming that 50% of their base could be alienated.    Think as an executive here;  you have a choice to place a product on your shelves that you know is insulting to a substantial portion of your consumer base.   Further, the product is insignificant and not even remotely close to a necessity.

What do you do?

[ This is a no brainer ]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.3    last year
Think as an executive here;  you have a choice to place a product on your shelves that you know is insulting to a substantial portion of your consumer base.

It seems you are really stuck on a large portion of their base actually being alienated.  Whittle that down a bit.  First they have to be people that shop at Target.  Second they have to walk by the book while shopping, it doesn't have to be in a big display at the front of the store.  Third they have to be so insulted they stop shopping at target.  Obviously (based on my comment) I do not agree with your assessment of substantial. If you take it to the other extreme it could be thought that a substantial portion of your customer base will also rebel if you take a book off the shelf for what they perceive to be political reasons (bending a knee to democrats). Personally I don't agree with that assessment either but I suggest Target look into it if they have not already. 

My point is I don't believe this in particular issue will have much of an actual impact no matter which route they choose.  This is a decision for Target to determine which is the less potential damage.  I am not going to pretend to know the answer without alot more information that Target marketing should have. They might also look into trying harder to avoid mines like this in the future and stopping the freefall of their stock price.

(I was an executive, and a very successful one at that.  One of the things I learned is there is no such thing as a no brainer, only lazy people that don't want to spend the time to properly research an issue)

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.4    last year
It seems you are really stuck on a large portion of their base actually being alienated.

I am not stuck on anything.   This is common sense.

First they have to be people that shop at Target. 

Well of course, I was talking about Target consumers.    A pointless first point; Target is not going to care about Wal-mart consumers, et.al.

Second they have to walk by the book while shopping, it doesn't have to be in a big display at the front of the store. 

They can be informed by the media, social forums, etc. making a big deal about the book.   Hello?   

Third they have to be so insulted they stop shopping at target. 

Who said that they will stop shopping?   As an executive, you should be concerned about offending customers and not limit yourself to the small minority who would be so offended that they stop shopping at Target altogether.  

My point is I don't believe this in particular issue will have much of an actual impact no matter which route they choose. 

My point is that this is an irrelevant, unnecessary product so it is a no brainer to not offer it given its title is insulting to a large portion of your consumer base.

(I was an executive, and a very successful one at that.  One of the things I learned is there is no such thing as a no brainer, only lazy people that don't want to spend the time to properly research an issue)

Yeah, there are no-brainers;  don't be ridiculous.   And you say you were a successful executive yet you apparently would make a bone-headed decision to sell this book in your stores when you have almost nothing to gain and plenty to lose.   Some executive; you disregard the impact that today's fast-paced communications have on businesses.   Think Bud Light, Chick-fil-a, Hobby Lobby, etc.

This is a smart move by Target.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.5    last year
you apparently would make a bone-headed decision to sell this book in your stores

Since I stated "I am not going to pretend to know the answer without alot more information that Target marketing should have." it is obvious you once again seem to want to hear yourself and ignore what someone is actually saying.  

The phrase "too busy talking to listen" comes to mind.

Have a nice day.

 
 
 
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4.2.7  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.6    last year

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Could not have said it better myself.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @4.2.7    last year

My father used to say "I am not going to bother talking if you are not going to listen".  Of course I was 16 at the time and have outgrown it years ago.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.9  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.6    last year

You made an argument that they should carry the book.   I read and responded to your points so I was obviously 'listening';  I was not 'persuaded'.

I made an argument that supports their decision.

Your argument was not persuasive so now you equivocate and claim that you were not really making an argument.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.10  Right Down the Center  impassed  TᵢG @4.2.9    last year
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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Wait! People still go to Target?  Didn't they lost a a few billion over pissing off their customers?  Oh, imagine that It was $14 BILLION.

You would think they would figure it out already.

 
 
 
George
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5.1  George  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    last year

Are they following the Bud light model of successful advertising?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  George @5.1    last year

Seems to me that choosing to carry this book has a large potential downside while not carrying it has no significant downside.

Hmmmm.    Carry it and take another potentially large PR hit or not carry it and lose essentially nothing?      I think the answer is obvious.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    last year
"Carry it and take another potentially large PR hit or not carry it and lose essentially nothing?"

A vast majority of Target customers probably don't go there to buy books.

You, and apparently Target management, seem to be assuming the majority of Target shoppers are Democrats, since this action gives a very visual optic of kowtowing to them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    last year
A vast majority of Target customers probably don't go there to buy books.

Probably not.   Do you think that a customer has to literally go to a Target store and look for books and then discover this book for them to find out that Target carries it?

Surely you are aware of how bad / sensational news spreads in our modern, connected society.    So why are you thinking in terms of the 1950s?

You, and apparently Target management, seem to be assuming the majority of Target shoppers are Democrats, ...

Where do you get this shit?


This is obvious, Greg.   This book is meaningless to Target's profitability and market share.   Yet it is insulting to all those who are Democrats (or lean D).   Why would Target willingly carry such an emotive titled book when it can do no real good for them and has the potential of being another PR problem?

As an executive, would you really risk yet another PR problem just to carry an insignificant book??   Imagine being the bone-head who knowingly made the decision to carry and then having the CEO wonder who was responsible for Target to be in yet another PR issue?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year

Or---maybe it is time to quit pandering to right wing sycophants and stop being afraid of what these yokels think.  If the right wing acheived absolute power the onlly books would be the bible and The Art Of The Steal.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year
 This book is meaningless to Target's profitability and market share.   Yet it is insulting to all those who are Democrats (or lean D).   Why would Target willingly carry such an emotive titled book when it can do no real good for them and has the potential of being another PR problem? As an executive, would you really risk yet another PR problem just to carry an insignificant book??   Imagine being the bone-head who knowingly made the decision to carry and then having the CEO wonder who was responsible for Target to be in yet another PR issue?

So after all your bloviating (and attempting to put words in peoples mouths that they never said) it looks like this was not the "no brainer "  and "obvious"  decision you were claiming and Target is actually selling the book.

Maybe they actually did what I said when I suggested "My point is I don't believe this in particular issue will have much of an actual impact no matter which route they choose.  This is a decision for Target to determine which is the less potential damage. "

The only question I would have is were they actually going to sell the book all along or did their mind change based on the feedback.  

I guess Target management did not get your persuasive argument.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.5    last year
I guess Target management did not get your persuasive argument.

I was defending their original decision .   And I still do defend it for the same reasons.   Target first made the obviously sound business decision to not associate an inflammatory title with its brand .   It then buckled to pressure from conservatives via social media and reversed itself.

Target made a stunning reversal less than 24 hours after conservative radio icon and "Life, Liberty & Levin" host Mark Levin called out the retail giant for refusing to sell his forthcoming book in its stores. On Wednesday, Levin took to social media to put Target on blast for telling his publisher Simon & Schuster that it will not carry his book "The Democrat Party Hates America" in its physical locations because "certain customers might be offended by the title."

Yeah stunning and damaging.   This reversal suggests that Target now thinks it has a PR problem no matter what they do and has calculated that the Ds will be less of a PR problem than the conservatives.   They are now in no-man's land.

" My point is I don't believe this in particular issue will have much of an actual impact no matter which route they choose.  This is a decision for Target to determine which is the less potential damage . "

And they originally believed the less potential damage would be to not associate that emotive title with their brand.   Again, a fundamentally sound business decision.   Obviously every business will try to reduce damage;  that is the underlying dynamic of this story.   But I think it is also obvious that this particular issue will indeed have an actual impact .  It already has demonstrated that.

So now, they have tied their brand to this inflammatory title.   Good luck, Target.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.6    last year

With their not taking a stance and going back and forth, the only thing they are going to do is piss off everyone like Bud light did.

They already pissed off the more Liberal people with their handling of the pride merchandise. This is not going to help their look.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5.1.7    last year

Agreed.   They now need to focus their energy on damage control to stop this from turning into yet another PR problem (which they clearly do not need at this point).

I expect businesses to continue to be stuck between a rock and a hard spot with the divisiveness in this nation and the ability to rally social media, et. al. to apply pressure.  

Not every business can execute a business model like Amazon which will pretty much sell anything.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.8    last year

Thread 6 was removed Texan.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    last year
A vast majority of Target customers

I just go there to meet women....the ratio is 10:1 and they are already there looking for shit they don't need. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7  bbl-1    last year

Levin is in Putin's pocket.  Levin deals in division, fear.  He is a professional accuser proficient in disseminating falsehood, lies, slander and hate.

If Target does not wish to offer Levin's product that is their choice which is apparently the same choice made by the lady with the fake wedding planner account over the fake gay person.  The only people getting their stuff in a wad are the same right wing autocratic bumbleheads that make it a profession to getting their stuff in a wad over any issue that some might have that they disagree with.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8  Tacos!    last year

Turns out, they’re selling it after all . In fact, they’ve been doing pre-sales on the book for 3 weeks, even though the title bothered them.

"We've been offering this book for pre-sale since mid-June. As we have with Mark Levin’s past books, many of which are currently available for sale at Target, we'll offer his newest title for sale when it is available on September 19. The use of the word 'hate' in the title caused our team to reach out to the publisher, but as stated, we are continuing to offer this book for pre-sale now, and it will be available for sale on its release date. We regret any confusion this situation caused,"

Now “hate” - without further context - is fairly harmless. You can buy a “haters gonna hate” t-shirt at Target. But the context for that is light humor. I can understand why Target would be concerned about a book seriously declaring that about half the country genuinely hates America.

Still, I don’t see any evidence, other than Levin’s tweet, that Target was actually refusing to sell the book. The opposite appears to be true. Perhaps in his rush to be outraged over something, Levin exaggerated this second-hand information he got from his publisher. The motivation is plain - ratings and book sales. More victimhood energizing the base.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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9  sandy-2021492    last year

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JBB
Professor Principal
9.1  JBB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9    last year

Yes, this is just the latest prime example of the far rightwing being outraged for the sole purpose of maintaining a perpetual state of outrage. If it wasn't this thing it would be another. First they were  outraged that Target was selling Pride paraphernalia and now they are outraged Target is not doing enough to propagate even more far rightwing outrage. So let them stew in their own outraged juices...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
9.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9    last year

This is new decrease in their reliability. I will let this one go, but in the future, they will not be allowed on the site.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.2.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    last year

Brava!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2    last year

The truly unreliable source here, though, is Mark Levin. Target and his publisher clearly had some kind of conversation, but the headline declaration that Target was not going to carry his book seems unfounded. It seems to me that he has represented the information in the worst possible, most exaggerated light.

I will say though, that from a journalism standpoint, Breitbart should have sought statements from either the publisher, Target, or both. Their willingness to just take Levin at his word on something he himself got 3rd-hand, does speak to their bias.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9    last year

I disagree

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
9.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3    last year

I'm sure. And?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9.3.1    last year

And I think it's time to end censorship.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
9.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.2    last year

Who's being censored?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.2    last year

A business must have the right to determine the products it sells.   When a business sells a product (or offers a service) their brand is associated with the product.

It is not censorship to protect one's brand; it is not censorship to determine a product line that the business believes is in their best interest.


As an author, imagine if you were forced to write an article praising the D party.   As an author you have a product line (that which you publish) and that product line is associated with your brand (your name).   Do you not think you have the right to determine what is associated with your name?

By your logic, if people cannot force / coerce you to write a pro-D party article (against your best interest) then you are imposing censorship.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9.3.3    last year

There are so many. Let us start with the New York Post and any Twitter member who questioned the advice Dr Fauci and company gave during the pandemic. Will we ever forget the experts who knew next to nothing about that virus, yet had the economy shut down and people losing their jobs via mandates. The Post story was true and the government had a hand in censoring the story.

How did you miss that?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.5    last year
... the experts who knew next to nothing about that virus ...

Next to nothing???   Why do you think ridiculous hyperbole like this is sensible to post?

Dr. Fauci is one of the leading experts on infectious disease.   He knows more about viruses and pandemics than most.   The problem was that the entire planet was hit with a new virus that quickly turned into a pandemic and everyone (the entire planet) was scrambling to learn about it and how to best deal with it. 

They (experts across the planet) did make recommendations based on their knowledge of infectious diseases and pandemics.   And, in case you did not notice, the world did indeed suffer a pandemic even with preventative measures and had to deal with large death tolls, overworked hospital resources (and people), etc.   This was a real life and death situation and you pretend as though actions to isolate human beings from each other to mitigate even more spread was unnecessary and grossly irresponsible.

Your complaints about Fauci and the other experts are not only ridiculously unfair but project profound naivety.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9.3.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.6    last year

Gotta love that hindsight. Apparently anything less than absolute perfection from the get go, ESPECIALLY when dealing with something totally new and that we don 't know much about, is just beneath Vic's standards. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.8  TᵢG  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.3.7    last year

That was my thought too ... what extraordinarily high standards to impose on the medical / biological professionals in contrast to abysmally low standards for who we would choose as PotUS.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9.3.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.8    last year

Do we have any standards when it comes to POTUS?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.10  TᵢG  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.3.9    last year

Almost none from what I can see.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
9.3.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.10    last year

I would say "alive, and not in prison" but this next race seems likely to blow even that minimal standard away. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
9.3.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.5    last year

Hyperbole and emotion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9.3.12    last year

Brainwashed and indoctrinated!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.3.14  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.13    last year

Yet the difference is, Sandy only criticized your comment while you insulted her...

See the difference?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.15  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.13    last year

It is critically important that one take stock of conspiracy theories one held and the degree to which they have shown to be true given time.

Only than can one take corrective actions to ease back on seeing conspiracies where they might not be and focus more on hypotheses rooted in sound evidence.

Conspiracy theories are often driven by fear.   Not healthy, IMO, if the fear is ultimately rooted in an irrational perception of reality.

For example, do you still hold that China intentionally allowed COVID-19 to escape their shores (once it was discovered) because it had the chance to ruin Trump's presidency and that China did not care if they were seen holding the smoking gun on a worldwide pandemic?

Fauci (and, by the same token, Francis Collins) is not the villain, he is a liaison scientist whose objective, during the pandemic, was to mitigate the aggregate harm to the people of our nation.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9.3.14    last year

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.15    last year
For example, do you still hold that China intentionally allowed COVID-19 to escape their shores (once it was discovered) because it had the chance to ruin Trump's presidency and that China did not care if they were seen holding the smoking gun on a worldwide pandemic?

You seem to have conflated a lot of what I said many months ago. Let us go over it once again, for the tenth time. The virus escaped most likely from the lab. At that point, it was a proven FACT that China took measures to protect it's own people, yet allowed flights to leave China for the rest of the world. There is little chance that it was part of a diabolical plan to take down Trump, but that was one of the results that came out of the pandemic that benefited China. Only a day ago , Janet Yellen raised the possibility of removing some of the Trump tariffs on China. That is where we are.


Fauci (and, by the same token, Francis Collins) is not the villain, he is a liaison scientist whose objective, during the pandemic, was to mitigate the aggregate harm to the people of our nation.  

Dr Fauci was the greatest advocate for "Gain of Function" research. He even once said that the research was so valuable that it was worth the risk of the accidental leak of a resulting virus. Collins also believed in the research and wrote a report at the direction of Fauci which dissed the possibility of a lab leak in Wuhan. Fauci then cited the report as if it was something that he was surprised to see. His aswers under oath about funding the Wuhan lab were misleading at best. Dr Fauci is partly responsible for the deaths caused by the pandemic. End of story.


Conspiracy theories are often driven by fear.   Not healthy, IMO, if the fear is ultimately rooted in an irrational perception of reality.

I hate to sound like Roy Cohn, but what was the name of your teacher in Critical Thinking?

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bugsy
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9.3.18  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.17    last year

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.17    last year
You seem to have conflated a lot of what I said many months ago.

Bullshit, what I stated was spot on.   You have now changed your story.   I suppose that is good, you have at least realized that your conspiracy theory was bogus.

But you are not going to get away with changing your story and accusing me of misrepresenting you:

Here is the most succinct exchange that illustrates your conspiracy theory.   The full thread of comments (if one were to read them) makes this even clearer.

TiG@1.3.55 (external) ☞ So you believe that the Chinese government sought to harm the US economy and Trump by intentionally (and irresponsibly) allowing international infected outbound flights to the rest of the planet in the hope that this would do the trick? 

Vic@1.3.56 (external) ☞ For the fourth time yes .

TiG@1.3.55 (external) ☞China then  intentionally  infected the entire planet in a pandemic with them holding the smoking gun??  

Vic@ 1.3.56 (external) ☞ YES .

TiG@1.3.55 (external) ☞They do not care if the entire planet holds that the pandemic was a result of China's incompetence (or intent)?  

Vic@1.3.56 (external) ☞They couldn't care less . As they demonstrated in the streets of Hong Kong and the sky over Taiwan. Don't like it?  They can do more!

TiG@1.3.55 (external) ☞Do you actually think China could not devise a better strategy than to deliberately infect the entire planet , take the shame and be recorded in history as the culprit who through their bungling infected the entire planet with COVID-19? 

Vic@1.3.56 (external) ☞An opportunity arose and they took it.

TiG@1.3.55 (external) ☞Instead of planting the virus in the USA and having the USA suffer the ill effects AND THE BLAME, you think China i ntentionally infected the planet to indirectly attack the US economy and Trump ??

Vic@1.3.56 (external) ☞ Those were the main targets. The other economies are now more dependent on China. 


Dr Fauci was the greatest advocate for  "Gain of Function"  research.  He even once said that the research was so valuable that it was worth the risk of the accidental leak of a resulting virus. 

" The greatest advocate " is more ridiculous hyperbole.   Supporting, categorically, gain of function research in 2012 is profoundly different from violating US regulations and knowingly and willingly supporting said research in Wuhan.   Here you are again connecting dots that are miles apart to produce a conspiracy theory.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
9.3.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.16    last year

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @9.3.18    last year

I think I'll draw the line with ten.  I'm assuming our readers want to hear issues discussed. I'll try to stick with that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10  Texan1211    last year

What happened to threads 3 and 6?

Just disappeared without a trace or explanation!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
10.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @10    last year

My bad... I will mark them up. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
10.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1    last year

Actually, that was in a different article. I just looked through the logs and thread 3 was removed by Gsquared and you removed thread 6

 
 

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