Ukraine plane may have been shot down by Iranian missile, report claims

  
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Ukraine plane may have been shot down by Iranian missile, report claims
 

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The   Ukrainian jet that crashed   after taking off from a Tehran airport may have been mistakenly shot down by an Iranian missile, a London-based global information firm says.

"Photographs purportedly taken near the site of the crash and circulated on social media appear to show the guidance section of an SA-15 Gauntlet short-range, surface to air missile, which landed in a nearby garden," the firm IHS Markit said in its report.

The firm said it could not confirm the authenticity of the photos but "assesses them to be credible."

Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 crashed hours after Iran launched   a ballistic missile attack on Iraqi bases   housing U.S. soldiers. All 176 passengers and crew of the Boeing 737-800 were killed. 

Iran plane crash: Did Boeing 737-800 go down after engine failure or something else?

President Trump said Thursday he found the crash suspicious and that "somebody could have made a mistake on the other side."

In Ukraine, Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said that investigators were looking into claims that parts of a Russian-made, surface-to-air missile stocked by Iran had been found near the crash site.

In a preliminary crash report issued Thursday, Iran's civil aviation authority said the plane's crew never made a radio call for help and were trying to turn back to the airport when the plane went down. The plane apparently suffered engine failure, Iranian officials said.

IHS Markit says publicly available air traffic data is "not consistent" with Iran's claim. The firm says flight data shows a normal ascent until the plane disappears at 8,000 feet.

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"This is consistent with a catastrophic incident onboard the aircraft," the report said.

The report adds that "A pilot of an airliner that took off from Tehran airport shortly after UIA Flight 752 told an IHS Markit source that he watched the aircraft take off and then explode in midair."

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Newsweek, citing two Pentagon officials, said the plane was struck by an anti-aircraft missile. The officials told Newsweek the strike was likely accidental.

Iran authorities say they have recovered the audio and data recorders from the flight, but say they won't allow Boeing or U.S. aviation officials access to the black boxes.

The Iranian explanation immediately drew skepticism from some aviation experts.

"There was no way for Iran to know it was engine failure,” said Mary Schiavo, a former U.S. Department of Transportation inspector general and a pilot.

"That is the wreckage of an explosion in the air,” she said. “Something happened to blow that plane out of the air. Statistically speaking, that’s a missile or a bomb."


Contributing: Curtis Tate, Adrianna Rodriguez and Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY


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Vic Eldred
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one month ago

More and more it looks like the Iranians shot down Flight PS752.  

Why did they even let that plane take off on such a night?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago
More and more it looks like the Iranians shot down Flight PS752.  

Gee, I wonder how long before Democrats and the lamestream media make it into Trump's fault?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    one month ago

The amazing part was that CNN wasn't on this 24/7 like they would be if it involved the Saudi's. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Why did they put my plane in the air where the first air strike that changed Desert Shield to Desert Storm was occurring, forcing us to land in Italy?   We may never have the answers because no one will admit to basically fucking up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2    one month ago

Correct 

And BTW you were the first to suspect this was a plane shot down.

It was not a conspiracy theory! I'm sure my friend will admit it!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    one month ago

You pointed out that Iran is refusing to turn over the black box which solidified my assertion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.2    one month ago

Your 2 plus my 2 = 4

We did ok!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    one month ago

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Texan1211
2  Texan1211    one month ago

Stupid fucking Iranians--shooting down a plane that took off from their own capitol.

SMH

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2    one month ago

Stupid 

What did Forrest Gump's mother say about that?

Somebody told me it couldn't happen. The missiles were in the west.....whatever that means?  It had to be the Russians!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago

Yeah, I remember reading some shit about that.

Like sane folks already couldn't surmise that it was Iran which shot that plane down.

I do have one question, though.

If Trump is Putin's puppet--as so many love to claim--why would he engage an ALLY of Russia ?

That doesn't make sense, but so often they don't anyways.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    one month ago

Foreign policy makes strange bedfellows. We needed the Soviet Union to win the Second World War so they were allies. In the new world order formed after that war we became enemies, just as Hitler predicted. We were enemies that somehow co-existed and from time to time cooperated. Obama needed his Iran deal and wanted Russia to help, therefore he turned a blind eye to everything Russia and Iran did. In comes Trump under a cloud of allegations about "Russia", but it was Trump who took a firm stand with both Iran and Russia.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago

Vic, what I was saying, which I thought you understood at the time, but evidently not, is that the plane was not shot down accidentally by a missile that was being sent towards the Americans in Iraq.    Dont try and misrepresent what was said. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    one month ago

Point well taken. I didn't understand.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    one month ago

All the evidence is that Iran shot the Ukraine plane down...intentionally or not. What is telling is this

Iran authorities say they have recovered the audio and data recorders from the flight, but say they won't allow Boeing or U.S. aviation officials access to the black boxes.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation/h_7f9d36b90b21109356ad214b835eab0f

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago
What did Forrest Gump's mother say about that?

"Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them."

ask Sally

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.6    one month ago

I believe it was "Stupid is as stupid does"

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igknorantzrulz
2.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    one month ago
If Trump is Putin's puppet--as so many love to claim--why would he engage an ALLY of Russia ?

To expedite our exit from Iraq, so as Russia's ally, Iran, not Trump this time, can further resume its occupation of Iraq.

Extending Russias' other

one influence over the Cuckoo's Nest,

known as the Middle East just between the top and bottom of N & S, while East of West

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    one month ago

If you are referring to Trump, i'd have to agree.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.9    one month ago

Actually, I was referring to this guy:

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In February 2007, Biden said of then candidate Obama:   “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” 

I can't wait to see him on the stage facing President Trump!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3  Nerm_L    one month ago

Yes, it is quite likely that an Iranian anti-aircraft battery downed the Ukrainian airliner.  It's important to keep in mind that wasn't intentional.  Tensions were high in expectation of strikes by the United States.  The fog of war and human frailties cause tragedies; that's a natural part of warfare.

It would be easy and, perhaps, satisfying to blame the ground crew of an anti-aircraft battery.  But that only avoids asking the question that should be asked: why did the Iranian government allow commercial flights to resume so soon?  There should have been a ground stop until the United States' intentions were known.

In military terms, this is a failure of leadership.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @3    one month ago
It's important to keep in mind that wasn't intentional.

I think we can all agree on that.


In military terms, this is a failure of leadership.  

They can by all the sophisticated weapons they want, they simply don't have the military expertise. Which is another reason why the President is right when he says that he will never allow them to have nuclear weapons.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one month ago
They can by all the sophisticated weapons they want, they simply don't have the military expertise. Which is another reason why the President is right when he says that he will never allow them to have nuclear weapons.

I don't think it is military expertise that is missing.  Iran seems quite capable of tactical planning and execution.  What seems to be missing is strategic leadership.  Iran hasn't moved beyond political leadership to develop geopolitical leadership.  Iran is still stuck in tit for tat threats and retaliation.

Iran possessing nuclear weapons isn't the problem  Iran hasn't demonstrated a willingness or capability to safe guard those weapons.  It is the safe guards that's the difference between Israel possessing nuclear weapons and Iran possessing nuclear weapons.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1.1    one month ago
Iran possessing nuclear weapons isn't the problem 

I have to disagree on that one. The Iranian regime is no different than a terrorist organization. I know there would be proliferation, but nuclear status would give them hegemony over the entire middle east and beyond.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    one month ago
I have to disagree on that one. The Iranian regime is no different than a terrorist organization. I know there would be proliferation, but nuclear status would give them hegemony over the entire middle east and beyond.

I contend that Iran would use nuclear weapons to pursue political tactical objectives.  Iran wouldn't use nuclear weapons to pursue geopolitical strategy.

In my view, Iran sees nuclear weapons as a political threat rather than a geopolitical bargaining chip for diplomacy.  Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons for political expediency just as Iran's retaliatory missile attack satisfied political expediency.  Iran did not obtain anything of strategic value from its retaliation for the killing of Soleimani.

In geopolitics the value of nuclear bombs isn't as weapons.  Our nuclear arsenal is worthless as a battlefield weapon system.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @3    one month ago

All good questions and observations.

We know that US & Russian satellites can detect the launching of the larger missiles but not something handheld like a Stinger especially

with background light pollution from the airport and surrounding villages.

If anyone had detected a launch it would probably be all over the news already.

The SA-15 is a Russian design on a mobile tracked launcher.

384

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @3.2    one month ago

Now confirmed by video and "other means" 2 missiles  hit the 737 seconds apart.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Sad to see incompetence have such tragic results.

I wonder when our Iranian apologists will stop calling this "a conspiracy theory"

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    one month ago

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's an accident with an explanation.

It remains to be seen if the Iranians are competent or honest enough to admit what happened.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @4.1    one month ago

I know it's not a conspiracy theory.

But positing that Iran shot the plane down by mistake was derided as a "conspiracy theory" here yesterday.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    one month ago
I wonder when our Iranian apologists will stop calling this "a conspiracy theory"

I think there are a few of them approaching the microphone now:

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Ilhan Omar Laughs And Jokes During Discussion Of U.S. Casualties In Iraq

https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/disgusting-ilhan-omar-laughs-and-jokes-during-discussion-of-u-s-casualties-in-iraq-video/

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    one month ago

She's repellent. She might be more anti-American than Alger Hiss. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.1    one month ago
She might be more anti-American than Alger Hiss

Hiss is another fine example of why certain laws should not have a statute of limitations.

When Al-Awlaki was charged with US passport fraud a second time,

the case was ultimately dropped because the statute had expired.

Who knows how many lives would have been saved if we had prosecuted him in 1993, 1996

or again in 2000 or 2002? 

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    one month ago
Ilhan Omar Laughs And Jokes During Discussion Of U.S. Casualties In Iraq

She likes to turn on the accent when she is in front of the camera.

Disgusting woman.  They are all smiling and having a star moment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @4.2.3    one month ago

It's really sobering to hear the pitch in her voice when she talks about America.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5  Sparty On    one month ago

Sounds like it's official.

The Iranians did shoot it down

 
 
 
katrix
5.1  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5    one month ago
The Iranians did shoot it down

Yikes. Remind me not to fly in a country where people are firing missiles! Didn't a plane get shot down by a Russian missile over Ukraine a few years ago, or something like that, and it was another "oops"?

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5.1    one month ago

Allegedly another oops but its tough to trust the word of the Russkies or radical Islamists.  

I have my doubts about either being a mistake but thats just my opinion.   I could be wrong.

But i also bet we knew they shot it down

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  katrix @5.1    one month ago
Didn't a plane get shot down by a Russian missile over Ukraine a few years ago

And an Iranian one by the Americans a few years before that and a Korean one by the Russians a few years before that (that's all I remember there may be more).  Thus my post below. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
6  Freefaller    one month ago

You would think that with all the lessons learned from multiple military's shooting down commercial airliners over the years that all countries would have SOP's to prevent it from occurring.  Sad 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7  seeder  Vic Eldred    one month ago

In Conclusion:

We now know that the Iran regime is as incompetent as it is brutal. Strike one is allowing flights from a war zone on a night when Iran is expecting a US military response. Strike 2 is Iranian military leaders not having complete control & coordination of the sophisticated missile defense system they bought from Russia.

 
 
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