The left's fine statesman says we can't trust the voters

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  113 comments


The left's fine statesman says we can't trust the voters
“The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said.

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The man who famously lied about having evidence of Trump/Russia collusion has now told us that American voters cannot be trusted to determine the next election. Finally, it's out in the open! The man whom leftist news commentators have been swooning over all week has come right out and told us the reason for this impeachment scam. All credibility for arguments of the President trying to influence an election rather than trying to find out what was done in the last are now gone.

“The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said.

It probably had to happen. The habitual liar had been making an endless personal plea since Tuesday. Many hours of public speaking has finally taken it's toll. Schiff has finally bared his soul. He doesn't trust the American people.

The prosecution's opening arguments are to be wrapped up today and believe it or not the President's defense team will get their chance to speak starting Saturday (How many will be watching on a Saturday?)  If anything, Schiff has solidified Republicans and may have alienated some moderate democrats.


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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

For your evaluation, I give you Adam Schiff



Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

I think Shithead Schiff has finally entered the Twilight Zone. I am sure that the voters will be pleased that the Dems don't trust them. I find it hard to believe that the Dems are so far out of touch with the vast majority of the American people and consider them to be stupid. I wonder if the coming election will educate them to reality!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

As the immortal Bugs Bunny once said, "What a moroon!!"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

LOL. Vic, you are seriously going to say that Trump can be permitted to commit all sorts of crimes against decency and morality and against the office of the presidency simply if he can get enough electoral votes? 

Dont go that low Vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

Evidently you don't believe in elections.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

Its kind of sad to watch an intelligent person like yourself devolve into acceptance of Trump's "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue" mantra. 

Because you win an election you dont get a carte blanche to behave in any unethical way you like. 

It is absurd. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

And when you lose an election, you don't get to piss and moan and scream at the sky and try to impeach someone for beating your Abuela.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Removing this President would be a travesty calling into question the legitimacy of America’s entire democratic system.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

We think it is kind of sad for the Democrats and their lemmings to impeach a president based on nothing more than second or third hand information; and hard feelings.

They have been trying to impeach Trump since he won the election. That tells us all we need to know about the left.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

Trump has lied 16,000 times, in office. 

Come to your senses. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
Trump has lied 16,000 times, in office.

Ok JR....  you post that daily.

Here's your challenge.

Post EVERY ONE OF THEM.  Hurry up, I'll be counting!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    4 weeks ago

Aw, does that piss you off so much that you have become obsessed with all things Trump?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
Trump has lied 16,000 times, in office. 

So Fucking What!!!!!!!!

Again I will ask the age old question to which I get obtuse, generalized, or no answer. What harm has any of those lies done to you and yours? NAFTA (not a fucking thing again). Stow it or get a new shtick.........please.

Disclaimer * please injected to promote civility *

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.6    4 weeks ago

I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times, and other publications have a full list of all the lies and misleading statements available. You can find a list there. 

By the way, Trump hasnt told 16000 separate lies and false statements. A good number of them are repeats. He lies about something and doesnt get called out about it by his supporters, and so he repeats it over and over at rallies and whatnot.  For example, he has told the lie that the whistleblower was "completely wrong" a reported 80 times. Not only was the whistleblower not "completely wrong", and Trump knows that,  the whistleblower was almost completely accurate. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times, and other publications have a full list of all the lies and misleading statements available.

You believe?   So, you, like the House Democrats are providing what amounts to hearsay, innuendo, supposition, conjecture and rumors with no basis in fact.  You believe?  

If you can't provide what you claim are facts, they're useless and baseless.  Just like the bullshit the Democrats are spewing in the Senate Chamber in their Impeachment presentation.

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.11  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
Trump has lied 16,000 times, in office.  Come to your senses. 

Oh the irony. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.12  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times, and other publications have a full list of all the lies and misleading statements available.

Proving what worthless propaganda mouth pieces for the liberal democrats they are, Just like during the gulf war and the war in Afghanistan they kept a running body count on American deaths, then once "O"dickhead the daft was elected.....poof American deaths no longer mattered because they had their winner and nothing was going to smear that fucktards reputation.......other than his own incompetence.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
By the way, Trump hasnt told 16000 separate lies and false statements. A good number of them are repeats.

So it isn't 16,000 individual lies............Good on ya John!!!

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.14  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
Because you win an election you dont get a carte blanche to behave in any unethical way you like.

And you don't get to undo democracy and remove every elected official who offends you.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
Trump hasnt told 16000 separate lies and false statements. A good number of them are repeats.

So, you admit that you have been blowing these "lying stats" out of proportion?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
You believe?   So, you, like the House Democrats are providing what amounts to hearsay, innuendo, supposition, conjecture and rumors with no basis in fact.  You believe?   If you can't provide what you claim are facts, they're useless and baseless.  Just like the bullshit the Democrats are spewing in the Senate Chamber in their Impeachment presentation.

Trumpsters are reduced to senseless bamboozling 24/7, as we see here. 

Ok, I dont "believe" a list of the lies, exists, I know it and have seen it. "Believe" is a figure of speech sometimes used when the evidence is not immediately on hand.  It doesnt mean I am guessing. 

I wish Trump supporters would stop constantly embarrassing themselves and our great country, but I don't "believe" it will happen. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    4 weeks ago
2.1.17 JohnRussell replied to  JohnRussell @ 2.1.16   36 minutes ago

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

https://www.bing.com/search?q=list+of+trump+lies&PC=U531&cvid=595ea61864b844acbe93ee6bc60abfc4&FORM=ANNTA1

Enjoy yourself

So now you're resorting to replying to yourself.  Are you making attempts at actually convincing yourself JR?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
Ok, I dont "believe" a list of the lies, exists, I know it and have seen it.

Is that akin to the "evidence" Shifty Shiff has been proclaiming he's seen with his own eyes since time began?  You are aware are you not that Schiff has yet to provide one scintilla of the purported "evidence" he has seen and will be coming out "soon".

But, I digress, you make the continual claim of "lies".  You have yet to list them as requested.   Don't reply on others to do what you can't JR.

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.20  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

"I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times"

There is your first problem !

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.21  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

You're forgetting the 'WB' never actually heard the phone call himself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

Jim, do me a favor will you?  Don't ask me any more stupid questions. You can do that, right? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.22    4 weeks ago

Sure pal.............as soon as I can figure out what you call stupid besides something that challenges you. Labeling a question stupid does NOT relieve you from answering......if you can and obviously, you can't. Kind of like listing 16,000 lies from some politician.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.23    4 weeks ago

You asking me why I object to the president of the United States lying 16,000 times while in office doesnt "challenge"  me Jim.   My challenge is to understand why there is so much dishonesty and ignorance bragged about on this forum. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.25  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.24    4 weeks ago
You asking me why I object to the president of the United States lying 16,000 times while in office doesnt "challenge"  me Jim.

YOU have yet to post those "16,000" lies you continue to harp about.  Yet YOU are never able to provide them as requested.   Give the list of them JR, don't ask others to provide what you won't or more likely can't.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.26  MUVA  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

I'm thinking about post Schitt's 3 million lies.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.27  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @2.1.26    4 weeks ago
I'm thinking about post Schitt's 3 million lies

Not enough time nor resources to post Schiff's lies.  Hell, he likely even lies to himself every morning when he looks in the mirror and says 'today's the day I'll finally get to see all that stuff I've been claiming to have seen for the last three years and I'll get that guy in the White House.'

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.28  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

I gave you a link to a BING search that has MANY entries devoted to listing ALL of trump's lies.

I am not responsible for people who are unable to click on links

its a shame that people are able to and allowed to spam and troll this forum with nonsense on a constant basis

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.1.29  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

Over the past years, I've noticed that some people take every word that Trump utters as "serious". Their deep-seated hatred of him due to resentment because Hillary lost won't allow for his minor exaggerations, and they clearly don't understand Trump's sense of humor and body language. To the haters, Trump's exaggerations, humor, and body language/gestures are lies and impeachable offenses.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.30  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
I wish Trump supporters would stop constantly embarrassing themselves

Hillaryious, Coming from the guy who for two years cried Russian collusion everyday, Do you really think people forget that JR.

And hey when is Schiff going to release his evidence that Trump colluded with Russia? Is he saving it for something? Maybe he only shared it with you seeing you are so positive Trump colluded with Russia? Care to share it?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.31  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.24    4 weeks ago
You asking me why I object to the president of the United States lying 16,000 times while in office doesnt "challenge"  me Jim.

Yes it apparently does. I did not ask you why you object to the President. I asked how his lies have affected you personally and, except for your affliction, you still haven't answered. You have made it quite clear you think he is, let me get this right, a liar, a bigot, a moron, not fit for office, All that answers is "what are the causes of your angst and obvious TDS affliction. I shall close the book on this question to you but the point remains, not a damned thing that you can pinpoint. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.31    4 weeks ago

I asked you not  to ask me any stupid questions, didnt I? 

But I guess they are allowed by NT so you are in the clear. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.33  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.28    4 weeks ago
I gave you a link to a BING search that has MANY entries devoted to listing ALL of trump's lies.

  Here's what I indicated in my reply to you earlier, just in case you might have  misunderstood it:

"Give the list of them JR, don't ask others to provide what you won't or more likely can't."

In simple English JR, provide the 16,000 lies you proclaim everyday that YOU believe President Trump has uttered, NOT//NOT what you think OTHERS believe. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.34  XDm9mm  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.29    4 weeks ago
Over the past years, I've noticed that some people take every word that Trump utters as "serious".

They have nothing else to piss and moan about.  They sure as hell can't complain about the success this country is enjoying.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.35  XDm9mm  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.30    4 weeks ago
Hillaryious, Coming from the guy who for two years cried Russian collusion everyday, Do you really think people forget that JR.

Two years?   How about since Trump walked down the escalator in the Trump Tower in NY.

 
 
 
pat wilson
2.1.36  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.29    4 weeks ago
minor exaggerations,

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.29    4 weeks ago

I know this is an utter waste of time, but I will say it anyway. 

Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of Biden, and then Trump lied about it. 

According to you guys, Trumps lies have no ramifications. 

If the whistleblower had not come forward, there would be an "announced" Ukrainian "investigation" into Joe Biden underway today.  Since there is nothing to investigate, it would be a fake "announced" investigation, being made to ensure that President* Trump would remain amenable to helping Ukraine. The blackmailing of Ukraine would be ongoing. 

The effect in the US would be that Trump would get to preface every mention of Joe Biden , who is leading the Democratic presidential field at this point, with the characterization that Biden is "dirty" because he is being investigated by Ukraine.  No one would know that this this "investigation" by Ukraine was the result of Trump blackmailing them. 

For the rest of the 2020 election Trump would be regularly letting everyone know that Joe Biden was under current investigation by Ukraine, for corruption in that country. 

It is highly possible that, without the whistleblower,  Trump would be able to smear Biden's campaign , and get away with it, at least in the eyes of those who dont care that Trump has lied 16,000 times. 

How many other of those 16,000 lies have led people to misunderstand issues or situations, or disregard the truth in dozens or hundreds of other circumstances? 

It is IDIOTIC to suggest that 16,000 lies by the president of the United States have no effect on anything, unless we have the philosophy that nothing anyone says , ever,  means anything either.  

If trump's 16,000 lies dont mean anything, then why does it bother you that people mention them, after all, complaints about the lies dont mean anything either, using your logic. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.38  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.37    4 weeks ago
Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of Biden, and then Trump lied about it. 

You DO have irregutable evidence of that allegation, correct?  If so, please provide it as all the House Democrats have been capable of providing thus far has been innuendo, supposition, conjecture and rumors.

According to you guys, Trumps lies have no ramifications. 

If a great economy, re-writing of bad trade deals, or initiating good trade deals are, he can lie about them all he wants.  It's the results that matter.

If the whistleblower had not come forward, there would be an "announced" Ukrainian "investigation" into Joe Biden underway today. 

You know this how exactly?  Adam Schiff whisper in your ear?

Since there is nothing to investigate, it would be a fake "announced" investigation, being made to ensure that President* Trump would remain amenable to helping Ukraine. The blackmailing of Ukraine would be ongoing. 

Are you speaking about blackmailing Ukraine with the lethal aide Obama refused them in their fight against Russia?  That aide?

The effect in the US would be that Trump would get to preface every mention of Joe Biden , who is leading the Democratic presidential field at this point, with the characterization that Biden is "dirty" because he is being investigated by Ukraine.  No one would know that this this "investigation" by Ukraine was the result of Trump blackmailing them. 

Holy shit batman.   We now know that Adam Schiff is actually JR right on these forums.  that's about the only explanation for the parody JR is currently fantasizing in.

For the rest of the 2020 election Trump would be regularly letting everyone know that Joe Biden was under current investigation by Ukraine, for corruption in that country. 

He has no need to do that.   Obama and his minions squashed all of the investigations into hunter.  You know when Joe threatened to withhold aide if the prosecutor wasn't fired within 6 hours.

It is highly possible that, without the whistleblower,  Trump would be able to smear Biden's campaign , and get away with it, at least in the eyes of those who dont care that Trump has lied 16,000 times. 

We're still waiting for those 16,000 lies JR.  Obviously the cat  only has your tongue at certain times on certain topics.

How many other of those 16,000 lies have led people to misunderstand issues or situations, or disregard the truth in dozens or hundreds of other circumstances? 

WHAT 16,000 lies are YOU speaking about JR?  Or do you have others speak for you?

It is IDIOTIC to suggest that 16,000 lies by the president of the United States have no effect on anything, unless we have the philosophy that nothing anyone says , ever,  means anything either.  

It is IDIOTIC to continue to speculate about 16,000 lies when the speculator can't elucidate one original thought about them.

If trump's 16,000 lies dont mean anything, then why does it bother you that people mention them, after all, complaints about the lies dont mean anything either, using your logic. 

We're STILL waiting for you to tell us EXACTLY what those lies are JR.   You can do that can't you, without the help of others?  Or is that too difficult?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.39  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.38    4 weeks ago
He has no need to do that.   Obama and his minions squashed all of the investigations into hunter.  You know when Joe threatened to withhold aide if the prosecutor wasn't fired within 6 hours.

Virtually nothing you typed is worth responding to , so I will combine any comment I have to you into one. 

After Russian troops seized and occupied the Crimean peninsula in the spring of 2014 — the first post-Cold War territorial takeover by Moscow — Ukraine rose to the top of the Obama administration agenda. Obama essentially outsourced the portfolio to his vice president — a task, by most accounts, Biden enthusiastically embraced.

“Ukraine was the top, or one of the top three, foreign policy issues we were concentrating on,” said Mike Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy and defense policy advisor at the time. “He was front and center.”

On one trip, in February 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months, the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western leaders.

Former aides described Biden’s work after that as a kind of “marriage counseling,” getting the newly elected president, Petro Poroshenko, to cooperate with the prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, a political rival.

Known for his bluntness, Biden warned them that Ukraine could not be seen as a “basket case” or allies would lose patience. “And then you’d be screwed and left at the mercy of Moscow,” a former aide recalled Biden telling the men.

Ukrainians say Biden’s most important contribution was showing that Washington would support Ukraine as it struggled to remain independent of Russia.

“Vice President Biden stood up strongly for Ukraine, and many of my fellow Ukrainians were very grateful,” said Danylo Lubkivsky, a former deputy foreign minister. “The important thing is that the support that Biden represented was bipartisan.”

Few here doubt that Hunter Biden was offered a lucrative position on the board of Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company controlled by a controversial businessman, because of his father’s prominence.

It’s common in Eastern Europe, and much of the world, to hire a celebrity or relative of a senior official to burnish a company’s image, and to help shield it from official or unofficial shakedowns.

But the optics gave ammunition to Trump and his lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani. They have falsely claimed that Biden pressed Poroshenko’s government to sack its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to prevent him from investigating Burisma.

Current and former U.S. and Ukrainian officials say Burisma had been under scrutiny for alleged improper acquisition of licenses, a probe unrelated to Hunter Biden’s position on the board. The investigation went dormant, they said, before Biden and a group of U.S. allies pushed for Shokin’s ouster in 2015, arguing he was turning a blind eye to corruption.

In December 2015, Biden gave an impassioned address to the Rada, the parliament, to condemn the scourge of corruption and demand reform of the prosecutor general’s office.

“The parliament exploded in applause,” Boryslav Bereza, who was present, recalled this week. “Even those who were corrupt as hell, they were electrified and sincere in their applause.”

Biden “was like the big brother coming to tell the little brother what to do — a recommendation that you can’t ignore,” Bereza said.

The vice president had planned to announce $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for Ukraine. But en route to Kyiv on Air Force Two, Biden changed his mind.

Poroshenko was dragging his feet building the institutions needed to take on corruption, aides said. Biden and his staff rewrote the speech, removing the loan guarantees.

In Kyiv, Biden privately informed Poroshenko of the decision and the demand: Fire Shokin, or you lose the loan guarantees.

“Poroshenko was clearly disappointed,” said Colin Kahl, Biden’s national security advisor at the time.

In an interview, Poroshenko recalled “heated” but cordial discussions with Biden.

He said the loan guarantees were contingent on meeting International Monetary Fund benchmarks, including replacing the prosecutor general. Biden was not alone in his demands, Poroshenko said.

“Pressure on us came from everywhere: the activists, political forces, embassies, international organizations,” he said, adding that the names of Hunter Biden and Burisma never came up.

In the eight days before Shokin was fired in March 2016, Biden phoned Poroshenko four times to reiterate the U.S. position, former aides said. The Ukrainian leader finally relented, and Shokin was sacked.

Western diplomats saw Shokin, who still sometimes wore his old Soviet-style uniform, as a relic of a stultified system and a “pay-to-play” prosecutor. Shokin, who declined to be interviewed for this story, blames his ouster on an illegal foreign intervention in Ukraine’s domestic affairs.

“My actions as General Prosecutor did not suit the interests of the U.S. Vice President Biden and the persons connected to him,” Shokin said in an affidavit filed Sept. 4 in an Austrian court on a separate case. He said Biden was motivated by his son’s connection to Burisma but offered no evidence.

Ukrainian officials say the inquiry into alleged improprieties at Burisma has never been completely closed.

“The Burisma case is still there; it’s up and down,” a senior Ukrainian official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “But the Burisma case and a Hunter Biden case are totally different things, and the latter simply does not exist.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.40  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.22    4 weeks ago

Are you referring strictly to the ones you cannot or will not answer in a civil or coherent manner?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.41  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.37    4 weeks ago

Trump's alleged 16,000 lies will mean something when you or the other hard core lefty Trump haters can prove they actually exist and they are in fact factual. Have not seen any factual evidence of that many yet. Only your rants.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.42  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.40    4 weeks ago

Ed, the other person at the end of that question has asked me, at least a half dozen times, which ones of trump's lies have effected me personally. Its a stupid question. If the president of the United States lies thousands of times I dont care who he told the lies to. Its immaterial. He's not fit for office. I'm not even going to discuss whether or not the lies effect me personally because its such a stupid question. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.43  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.41    4 weeks ago
Trump's alleged 16,000 lies will mean something when you or the other hard core lefty Trump haters can prove they actually exist and they are in fact factual. Have not seen any factual evidence of that many yet. Only your rants.

Lists of all of Trumps lies over the years are readily available essentially at your fingertips if you know how to google. 

I'm not going to amuse anyone by responding to demands. 

Just search for "all Trumps lies" and you will find them. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.44  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.43    4 weeks ago

Thank you for proving my point. You have a good evening now.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.45  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

Only the ones where the progressive liberal left Democrats win...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

Trump hasn't been convicted of anything as of yet, and will likely be found NOT guilty of all charges.

Thanks be to the Dems for assuring his reelection.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.3  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

The Senate vote is rigged and we can't trust elections - yous guys are off the rail. You had more traction with Stormy Daniels.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  squiggy @2.3    4 weeks ago

Before Trump was elected, it was well known that he is a liar, crook, bigot and moron. 

Those who voted for him actually voted for a liar crook bigot and moron. 

Although it is fair to say that some of those voters didnt understand the ethical implications of their vote,  it doesnt change the truth of what Trump is. 

In other words, he doesnt become acceptable just because uninformed people voted for him. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    4 weeks ago
In other words, he doesnt become acceptable just because uninformed people voted for him.

Here's a hint JR...   just because something is "unacceptable" to you is well, let me put this as politely as possible, imafuckingterial to them.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.4  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
2.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  squiggy @2.4    4 weeks ago

lol. That meme is so stupid I actually laughed at it. 

I am susceptible to stupid humor occasionally. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.4.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    4 weeks ago
I am susceptible to stupid humor occasionally. 

Obviously, you post seeds of it daily, if not hourly.   

 
 
 
squiggy
2.4.3  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    4 weeks ago

Here's your booster shot -

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squiggy
2.5  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

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JBB
2.5.1  JBB  replied to  squiggy @2.5    4 weeks ago

Trump 2020 - Bulldoze US Constitution Again...

BUSCA - Why not put that on your ugly red hat?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.5.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2.5.1    4 weeks ago
Vote Trump 2020

THANKS FOR THE ENDORSEMENT...

I knew you would eventually come to your senses.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3  Texan1211    4 weeks ago

Democrats apparently don't trust anyone who would dare to vote for any other party.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4  Jasper2529    4 weeks ago
  Furthermore, Schiff argued, “The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” Democrats don’t trust the American people to judge for themselves whether Trump deserves to remain in office. Schiff’s statement is Hillary Clinton’s “ deplorables ” comment repackaged. This is simply how Democrats think about vast swaths of America, proving that they’re not really after Trump; they’re after you, the voter. Ever since Trump defeated Clinton, Democrats have been seeking to impeach the vote of the American people.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/68098-impeachment-trial-day-2-democrats-impeach-american-voters-2020-01-23?fbclid=IwAR3lgMdWEqMd3SwJhc2kWSs4xVDXAgH-JOn5bF7OxHxF1xPpW7glNNDLGZo

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago
Schiff has finally bared his soul. He doesn't trust the American people.

It's not that Schiff doesn't trust the American people, it's that he doesn't trust the American people that can and do think for themselves and don't fall in lock step with the blathering of him and his mindless followers. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    4 weeks ago
we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won

What an asshole. I'm sorry, but it's true. All this guy has done is attack the integrity of anyone who isn't 100% as freaked out about Donald Trump as he is. There is no reason to go around claiming that we cannot be assured the election will be fair, but he has no reservations about stoking irrational fears that elections or voters can be fair. What a sanctimonious ass.

It wasn't enough for him to insult his own jury (the Senate), he has to insult the American people as well.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago

Dicks are headed down the same road they did in 2016. They are basically saying that people are too stupid to vote in their own interests.............which has been a liberal mantra for the last few years. Too stupid and/or lazy to get ID, "we and only we know what's good for you", and on and on with the elitist, arrogant, bullshit. They are driving away the very same peole they did in 2016 and learned NOTHING from Mrs. Clinton's loss.

"Those that don't learn history are doomed to repeat it". Good. 

Can't wait for tomorrow...........and Monday and Tuesday if necessary.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago
All this guy has done is attack the integrity of anyone who isn't 100% as freaked out about Donald Trump as he is. 

Man, that reminds me of someone, but I can't quite pin it down as to who it is!

/s

 
 
 
loki12
6.3  loki12  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago
What an asshole.

Seriously? You owe all the assholes of the world an apology, at least they serve a useful purpose, Like allowing the Adam Schitt to pass through on it's way to the sewer that is his district.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago
What an asshole.

PLEASE!!....   Assholes have a very distinct and useful purpose in life.   Calling a SHITHEAD like Schiff an asshole, is first, insulting to assholes, and second indicating that Schiff actually has a purpose.

Please use the term shithead or some such useless thing.  It's more apropos.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.5  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago
There is no reason to go around claiming that we cannot be assured the election will be fair, but he has no reservations about stoking irrational fears that elections or voters can be fair.

That claim isn't irrational. 

Mueller, Wray, Coats, Chris Krebs [top DHS cybersecurity official] ALL warned that we cannot be assured that the election will be fair. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @6.5    4 weeks ago
Mueller, Wray, Coats, Chris Krebs [top DHS cybersecurity official] ALL warned that we cannot be assured that the election will be fair. 

No one other then the receiver of the hysteria perpetrated by the left is responsible for that.  But, the Democrats are doing all in their power to insinuate that Donald Trump and the GOP will succeed where Hillary Clinton and the DNC failed.  Rig an election, like Clinton and the DNC did against Bernie Sanders.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.5.2  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @6.5.1    4 weeks ago
No one other then the receiver of the hysteria perpetrated by the left is responsible for that. 

So your posit is that those at the highest level of our IC are influenced by 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'. That doesn't bode well for any claim that Trump only hires the 'best people'. 

But, the Democrats are doing all in their power to insinuate that Donald Trump and the GOP will succeed where Hillary Clinton and the DNC failed.  Rig an election, like Clinton and the DNC did against Bernie Sanders.

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XDm9mm
6.5.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @6.5.2    4 weeks ago
So your posit is that those at the highest level of our IC are influenced by 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'.

I never said that.   In point of fact my specific words as posted were:  "No one other then the receiver of the hysteria perpetrated by the left is responsible for that."

 
 
 
Dulay
6.5.4  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @6.5.3    4 weeks ago

Yet when I cited Mueller, Wray, Coats and Chris Krebs you put them in the category of receivers of the 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'. That sure as hell infers that their warnings were influenced by that 'hysteria'. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.5.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @6.5.4    4 weeks ago
Yet when I cited Mueller, Wray, Coats and Chris Krebs you put them in the category of receivers of the 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'.

You are as usual playing the word games you are most famous for.  Now you are claiming that what you cited was in some way inferred by me.  Try again.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.5.6  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @6.5    4 weeks ago
That claim isn't irrational. 

Yes, it is, because we have several mechanisms in place for assuring and confirming the fairness and honesty of our elections. The last presidential election is the obvious example. Even though it is well documented that Russian actors published propaganda or even hacked computers, the election itself was still legitimate and fair. That was confirmed repeatedly from the local to national level.

What Schiff did on the floor of the Senate is what leftists from MSNBC to Hillary Clinton have done since Trump was elected: try to make Americans think that because of foreign interest and interference, their votes and elections are literally being stolen from them. 

This tactic is dishonest and irresponsible, particularly coming out of the mouth of a member of Congress.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.5.7  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @6.5.6    4 weeks ago
the election itself was still legitimate and fair. That was confirmed repeatedly from the local to national level.

After HOW many challenges? It took MONTHS for that to be litigated.

All of the people I mentioned WARNED that we are still not doing enough to ENSURE that our elections will be 'fair'.

There is litigation in multiple states right now about voting rights and securing voting machines and securing voter rolls. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.5.8  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @6.5.5    4 weeks ago
You are as usual playing the word games you are most famous for.

Did you and your fellow travelers take a vote? Do I get a trophy? 

 Now you are claiming that what you cited was in some way inferred by me.  Try again.

Personal comments don't clarify your comment. Please proceed. 

 
 
 
lib50
6.6  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 weeks ago
he has to insult the American people as well.

Nope, he was reiterating the FACT Russia interfered in 2016 to help elect Trump.  And Trump has been deferential and beholden ever since. 

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Sean Treacy
7  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

In the Summer of 2016, when victory for Clinton was considered assured, Democrats claimed to challenge the results of an election was a "direct threat to Democracy."  

Now, in fear of losing again, they are preemptively declaring an election suspect so they can keep of their narrative that any Republican win is illegitimate alive.

 
 
 
lib50
7.1  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 weeks ago

Russia interfered to help Trump - FACT.   Trump and gop have done nothing substantial to make elections more secure, and in fact Trump had forced Ukraine to help him until the dam burst.  So of course they are still doing it, and the entire gop is ignoring it, and in fact many have been tainted with dark money from Russia.   Why don't you deal with the reason our elections are at risk even more than they were 3 years ago.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @7.1    4 weeks ago

Fact, Russia interfered in the election to sow discord among Americans. Thanks to the Democrats and their lemmings they are succeeding beyond Putin's wildest dreams.

Fact the left chooses to ignore the fact that the Russian bots sponsored anti Trump groups and events as well.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook

The demonstration in New York City, which took place a few days after the election, appears to be the largest and most successful known effort to date pulled off by Russian-linked groups intent on using social media platforms to influence American politics. 

Sixteen thousand Facebook users said that they planned to attend a Trump protest on Nov. 12, 2016, organized by the Facebook page for BlackMattersUS, a Russian-linked group that sought to capitalize on racial tensions between black and white Americans. The event was shared with 61,000 users.

As many as 5,000 to 10,000 protesters actually convened at Manhattan's Union Square. They then marched to Trump Tower, according to media reports at the time. 

The BlackMattersUS-organized rally took advantage of outrage among groups on the left following President Trump’s victory on Nov. 8 to galvanize support for its event. The group’s protest was the fourth consecutive anti-Trump rally in New York following election night, and one of many across the country.   

“Join us in the streets! Stop Trump and his bigoted agenda!” reads the Facebook event page for the rally. “Divided is the reason we just fell. We must unite despite our differences to stop HATE from ruling the land.”

While the focus has been on Russian efforts ahead of the election, the BlackMatters rally days after Trump's victory shows that Russian-linked social media influence efforts continued after the election.

The BlackMatters organizing group was connected to the Internet Research Agency, a Russian “troll farm” with ties to the Kremlin, according to a recent investigation by the Russian Magazine RBC. Facebook has identified the Internet Research Agency as the group responsible for purchasing 3,000 political ads on Facebook’s platform and operating 470 accounts that appear to have attempted to influence the perspectives of Americans during the 2016 elections.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russians-organized-pro-anti-trump-rallies-to-sow-discord-2018-2

Russian interference didn't end with Trump's election victory.

Shortly after the November vote, the Russians helped organize several pro-Trump rallies at the same time they organized anti-Trump protests, calling on people to object to the election results.

On November 12, the Russians helped coordinate an anti-Trump rally that drew as many as 25,000 people, according to NBC News .

Fox News reported that Michael Moore, the prominent documentary filmmaker who strongly opposes Trump, attended that rally.

About a week later, the Russians organized a protest called "Charlotte Against Trump" in North Carolina.

These rallies represented just a fraction of the dozens of other rallies that took place in cities across the US after Trump's victory.

The Russians were also allegedly responsible for organizing other rallies throughout the 2016 campaign, although these were not outlined in Mueller's indictment.

According to The New York Times , a group of about a dozen protestors in Houston, Texas, met to protest "the threat of radical Islam" in May 2016. That group was met with dozens of counter-protestors, drawing a large local police presence.

Both groups were organized by Russians.

https://fortune.com/2018/02/17/russian-organized-rallies-election-meddling/

The Russians were also accused of promoting discord after the election by simultaneously holding New York rallies, one in support of Trump’s victory and another under the name “Trump is NOT my President!” according to an indictment released Friday by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller. There was a separate post-election, anti-Trump rally in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Thank you for making Putin's job that much easier.

As for the rest of your bogeyman rant. Prove Russia changed even 1 vote during the 2016 election. The only entity the Russians hacked successfully was the DNC; who lied about it, and tried to cover it up from the FBI. Guess they were damn scared that their handing Hillary the nomination would blow up in their faces. Russia used social media to try and influence the election- the same damn thing we do to our enemies, and even some of our allies.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.2  loki12  replied to  lib50 @7.1    4 weeks ago
Trump and gop have done nothing substantial to make elections more secure,

You obviously have the internet, there is no reason to remain so ignorant of the actual facts.

In 2017, the Department of Homeland Security designated election systems as critical infrastructure, a label that allows the agency to prioritize requests for election support from state and local officials. Since then, Homeland Security has taken a variety of steps to improve the sharing of information between states and localities, as well as steps to identify threats.

As part of that effort, Homeland Security established the Elections Infrastructure Information Sharing and Analysis Center, a hub for information-sharing for states and local jurisdictions. Throughout the 2018 midterm elections, state and local election officials shared “a ton” of information about what kind of threats they were seeing on their networks, said Matthew Masterson, a senior adviser for the Homeland Security’s cybersecurity unit. The collaboration enabled the agency to help states manage risks, as well as disseminate information about possible threats across states, Masterson said.

“From 2016 to 2018, and then heading to 2020, our depth of understanding, our knowledge and visibility into election infrastructure and the threats and risks targeting it, are exponentially greater than what we had in 2016,” Masterson said.

The Homeland Security Department has also prioritized increasing the efficiency of sharing classified information by providing more briefings and facilitating the security clearance process for state local officials, who often need access to classified information regarding election threats.

“Our goal is always to take information and get it declassified and push it as broadly across the community as we can, so there’s a whole understanding of the risk and threats,” Masterson said.

Under the Consolidated Appropriations Act, one of the spending bills aimed at averting a government shutdown, DHS received $33 million for election security information sharing initiatives for fiscal year 2019.

Last year, Congress also appropriated $380 million to be distributed through the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission and out to states. The money helped fund standard security measures, such as training election workers on how to spot phishing emails, software patching and ensuring that election results have a verifiable paper trail.

Election security efforts by the military

In October 2018, before the midterm elections, the Pentagon launched its first cyber operation to block Russian interference in U.S. elections by targeting Russian operatives and alerting them that the U.S. military was tracking their activity online. In February, the U.S. Cyber Command, which receives intelligence from the National Security Agency, disrupted the activities of the Internet Research Agency, a troll farm located in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Washington Post reported.

These cyber military offensives began after President Donald Trump and Congress eased restrictions on cyberspace offensives against foreign actors.

In September 2018, Trump signed an executive order on “Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.” The order allowed the White House to impose sanctions on foreign actors attempting to interfere with U.S. elections.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-the-u-s-is-trying-to-improve-election-security-ahead-of-2020

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-09-14/pdf/2018-20203.pdf

I guess this is no where near as effective as what the retard he replaced do for election interference.  Putin if you don't stop Michelle won't suck your dick any more.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @7.1    4 weeks ago
Why don't you deal with the reason our elections are at risk even more than they were 3 years ago.

What, are you saying that obama led from behind again? Because according to obama elections can't be rigged

I'd advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and try to go make his case to get votes," Obama said at a White House news conference alongside Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. 
"If whenever things are going badly for you, you start blaming somebody else, then you don't have what it takes to be in this job," Obama continued. "There are a lot of time things don't go our way or my way … that's OK, you fight through it."

The sad part is he "lied" because at the time of his statement he knew that Russians were interfering in our election.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.2  Ronin2  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 weeks ago

Only if they don't like the result of the election.

If their candidate wins then the Republicans/Conservatives had better STFU and get on board with their president. The media and Democrats will be declaring the election results to be pure and clean. Just like they would have had Hillary won. This whole Russian BS, Carter Page, Steele Dossier, and the rest would have been quickly swept up and disposed of. 

Couldn't have it look like they were actively investigating a political opponent for no damn reason.

 
 
 
loki12
8  loki12    4 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9  Dismayed Patriot    4 weeks ago

If we trusted the voters, Trump wouldn't be President. The voters, by a 3 million vote margin, wanted the other candidate. The electoral college and the weighted votes in rural States with few actual voters, bitter at being forgotten, shouldn't be trusted. It's the illogical system that gave us the most corrupt piece of shit President in history with dirty dishonest Donald. Only four times in American history have Presidents won the Presidency without also winning the majority vote. Dishonest Donald does not represent the will of the majority, he does not represent the best of America, he represents the worst and will soon be unceremoniously kicked out of the white house come January 2021 as there is no hope the spineless sycophants in the Senate majority would actually do their jobs and throw him out before then.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9    4 weeks ago
The voters, by a 3 million vote margin, wanted the other candidate.

How many times need you be told that we do NOT//NOT live in a majority mob rule country?  We live in a Constitutional Republic where the rules are laid out for all to see and follow.  Now, if you don't believe me, maybe some of these from former President Obama will help you.

“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won. So I think on that one I trump you.”

Never knowing that he and his minions would one day be TRUMPED.

"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for a ride, but they gotta sit in back."

The Republicans said the same, and now find that they were too civilized and in fact should have eviscerated the remnants of the Democrat Party long ago.  They have accomplished doing what the Russians could only hope to have done....  pit Americans against each other.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    4 weeks ago
How many times need you be told that we do NOT//NOT live in a majority mob rule country?

You didn't have to tell me even once. Apparently you're having trouble with reading comprehension because I didn't say we didn't have an electoral system in place. Quite the opposite in fact.

But the headline is claiming that the "lefts fine statement says we can't trust the voters", it says nothing about the electoral college. The "voters", aka the majority, never wanted this slime ball as President and didn't vote for him.

They have accomplished doing what the Russians could only hope to have done....  pit Americans against each other.

Dirty dishonest Donald is the most divisive President in US history. He is the one who pitted us against each other. He's the one who has proclaimed all liberals and Democrats "traitors" and suggested pulling media company licenses so they'll stop printing the truth about him. It's sad to watch, but the white nationalists, white supremacists and other worthless pieces of human garbage were given a voice and a platform by Don the con, and they have reared their ugly heads which is the current cause of our division.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.1    4 weeks ago
How many times need you be told that we do NOT//NOT live in a majority mob rule country?
You didn't have to tell me even once. Apparently you're having trouble with reading comprehension because I didn't say we didn't have an electoral system in place. Quite the opposite in fact.

I never said you didn't say that.  All you inferred was that YOU don't like that system.

But the headline is claiming that the "lefts fine statement says we can't trust the voters", it says nothing about the electoral college. The "voters", aka the majority, never wanted this slime ball as President and didn't vote for him.

Yet one more time.  IT's not majority mob rule.  Deal with it.

They have accomplished doing what the Russians could only hope to have done....  pit Americans against each other.
Dirty dishonest Donald is the most divisive President in US history.

Only in the minds of some.  He tries to be inclusive, but the radicals won't have.

He is the one who pitted us against each other. He's the one who has proclaimed all liberals and Democrats "traitors" and suggested pulling media company licenses so they'll stop printing the truth about him.

How many times have they needed to provide retractions?

It's sad to watch, but the white nationalists, white supremacists and other worthless pieces of human garbage were given a voice and a platform by Don the con, and they have reared their ugly heads which is the current cause of our division.

Only in the minds of those that give the racist pieces of shit the time of day and acknowledge them.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.2    4 weeks ago
Yet one more time.  IT's not majority mob rule.  Deal with it.

Is it that you don't understand the word "voter" that keeps you in this apparent continued loop of illogic? This seed is essentially claiming the left doesn't trust "the voters" when the left was by far the majority OF voters. You don't have to take out a loan to buy a clue you know... I've seen many thrown your way, you just need to stop rejecting them. The truth wont bite, I promise.

"He tries to be inclusive"

Trump called Mexicans "rapists", he called those seeking asylum "invaders". He called Baltimore a 'rat infested hell hole", he called out African ally countries "shitholes", he told US legislators and citizens of color to "go back" to their home countries.

He said Nancy Pelosi "hates all of the people who voted for me and the Republican Party". Total bullshit divisive opinion.

He is, without a doubt, the most divisive President since Jefferson Davis proclaimed himself President of the confederacy (after running unopposed for a position that didn't actually exist, not surprising for bigots of that time or many of their descendants since) and attacked our nation leading the deaths of hundreds of thousands, all to defend his, and other worthless bigots, right to own humans as cattle.

 
 
 
arkpdx
9.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

"Trump called Mexicans "rapists","

No just the ones that break the law and come here illegally.

called those seeking asylum "invaders". 

If they try to come here in  violation of the laws of this country they are. Many if not most of those seeking asylum do not even qualify. Being poor and unable to find work is not a reason for asylum.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
9.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    4 weeks ago

Oh Lord, not the 3 million popular vote won crap again!

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
9.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.3    4 weeks ago

You are reaping what you have sewn. No more mister nice guy. Same for any kiss azz Republicans. 

Locally I’m kicking azz and taking names.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9    4 weeks ago

She was behind by a good margin before California weighed in. You may want to be governed by the coasts but most Americans do not.

and will soon be unceremoniously kicked out of the white house come January 2021

And that is one helluva nice pipe dream you have going there. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2    4 weeks ago
She was behind by a good margin before California weighed in

Are Californians not Americans?

You may want to be governed by the coasts but most Americans do not

"Most Americans"? Once again, we are Americans.

I was born and raised in Ohio. I moved to California in my early 30's. Having lived in both places, California wins hands down.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2.1    4 weeks ago
I moved to California in my early 30's.

That explains a great deal.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2.1    4 weeks ago
Are Californians not Americans?

Unfortunately yes.  Mexico won't take the territory back.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.3    4 weeks ago
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Ed-NavDoc
9.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @9.2.3    4 weeks ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif Now that was funny!!!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
9.3  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9    4 weeks ago

I am curious as one that neither voted for Clinton or Trump , what was the fatal flaw/s in the Clinton campaign that caused the loss of the EC?

I can think of 2 that I have actually narrowed it down to.

1. An underestimation  of Trump as a viable threat as a candidate , one I watched right up until the day of voting started. He was treated as a joke and thought easily defeated.

2. The second and most damnable flaw, was calling those undecided  a basket of deplorables if they didn't vote for the democrat, which is pretty much what is being implied by Schiff in his statement, in my view.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @9.3    4 weeks ago
I can think of 2 that I have actually narrowed it down to.

You neglected what was apparently the most glaring failure of all.   She entirely neglected the very states that gave Donald Trump his victory.  She simply believed that they would vote for her regardless of her actually campaigning and asking for their vote, it was assumed they were hers for nothing.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
9.3.2  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  XDm9mm @9.3.1    4 weeks ago

I didn't neglect it , I rolled that in with underestimating the viable threat as a candidate Trump was.

 I also wonder what inroads the party faithful think the current crop of those running for the nomination of the party in those all important EC voting states outside what they consider their "sure things ".

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @9.3    4 weeks ago
was calling those undecided  a basket of deplorables if they didn't vote for the democrat

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it."

I don't see anything in there about calling them deplorable for not voting Democrat. She defines what she meant. If you identify with being racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or Islamophobic, well that's on you.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
9.3.4  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.3    4 weeks ago
you name it.

And correct she didn't say for not voting the D ticket , and the public be they undecided could interpret it , or as she did say, named it , did, that's why I felt after 3 years of thought that was the fatal flaw,  Once the public hears something and decides what it means to them , no amount of backpedaling or explaination or redirection will change what was said or how an individual heard it as it applies to them, and it has been pretty much backed up by the actions of those faithful , that did vote for her, by the way they have treated those they think may have voted against her. You have done it yourself . Just as Schiff and Pelosi both have stated that the voters cannot be trusted , which you just reiterated above .

I file such things under unintended consequenses of not thinking a statement through and how it will be received.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.3.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @9.3.2    4 weeks ago
I didn't neglect it , I rolled that in with underestimating the viable threat as a candidate Trump was.

Ok..   I just didn't see it mentioned was all.

 I also wonder what inroads the party faithful think the current crop of those running for the nomination of the party in those all important EC voting states outside what they consider their "sure things ".

Time will tell.  Liz Warren might have figuratively shot herself in the foot in her reply to the father that paid for his daughters college.  It's making the rounds on the media now.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
9.3.6  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.3    4 weeks ago

and will you be answering the question of 

what was the fatal flaw/s in the Clinton campaign that caused the loss of the EC?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.3.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @9.3.6    4 weeks ago
what was the fatal flaw/s in the Clinton campaign that caused the loss of the EC?

I have no doubt that without the illegal hacking of the DNC and release of embarrassing emails or Comey announcing just days before the election that the FBI was re-opening of the investigation, while never mentioning once that the trump campaign was under investigation, caused the 110,000 votes in 3 swing States to give the electoral college majority to such a worthless embarrassment. Also, the illicit social media campaign where Russian spent $1.25 million a month on targeting the voters they had studied from the 22 State voter databases they hacked didn't help Hillary's chances. I'm sure Putin is laughing his ass off at how monumentally stupid some people are, laughing that so many poorly educated buffoons bought into their lie about some pizza parlor sex ring or the fantasy assassination of Seth Rich.

I've never found Hillary appealing as a political candidate, I didn't think she should have been the Democrat candidate, I did not vote for her in the primary. With that said, she is leaps and bounds more qualified than our current room temp IQ President who thinks he's above the law. She would have done a decent job, and the economy would have been continuing the increases started under Obama, just like Trump has experienced. We've not seen his lies about some 4% average GDP, the massive tax cut for corporations has not supercharged the economy, it was all bullshit fantasy. If you want to buy into his fantasy, that's your choice, I'm not naïve or gullible enough to believe his mountain of lies or his self-aggrandizement claiming only he "can fix" America. He has fixed nothing, he has broken norms at every turn and it will take decades to get back the trust and respect of our friends and allies around the world. Just because some protectionist dumb asses want to hide behind a wall and stuff their heads in a fat orange clowns ass and abandon our leadership around the world, it doesn't mean America is stronger, it means we are now weaker and have a weaker position to negotiate on anything.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
9.3.8  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.7    4 weeks ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9    4 weeks ago

384

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
10  Mark in Wyoming    4 weeks ago

“The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said.

I see that comment being turned into a political hand grenade, not that it already isn't, much like the comment on basket of deplorables.

And if I were a betting person , if he doesn't already regret it , he may soon.

There is 2 things I would warn the political parties , much like the romans warned their senators to beware the Ides of march,

when in politics , beware murphys law as well as the law of unintended consequenses.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @10    4 weeks ago
if he doesn't already regret it , he may soon.

I'll submit that he has yet to understand what he has actually done.  Much like as you noted Clinton never understood her comment, even to this day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Final thoughts:

Mercifully the House prosecution opening statements have come to an end. We can put the Rum & Coke away. Put the aspirin back in the medicine cabinet and enjoy the quiet. Tomorrow the President's lawyers will begin their opening statements. They are not expected to use every bit of their 24 hours as the democrats did. By the later part of next week the US Senate could be voting to dismiss this ridiculous case.

 
 
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