The media push to discredit Hydroxychloroquine

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 months ago  •  129 comments


The media push to discredit Hydroxychloroquine
"It's been around for a long time, so we know if things don't go as planned it's not going to kill anybody...It's shown very, very encouraging early results, and we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."..Donald Trump

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Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malaria drug. It's been around for about 6 decades. It is already on the shelf. Based on limited testing in the fight against the China virus it has shown promising results. As a matter of fact last week Tucker Carlson had somebody on his show who said there was a small test of the drug in France involving the China virus. Supposedly 40 out of 40 coronavirus patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine in the French trial recovered from the disease. A 100% success ratio!





The President is also a believer. He recently said "It's been around for a long time, so we know if things don't go as planned it's not going to kill anybody...It's shown very, very encouraging early results, and we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."

That was enough for the left wing media!  Since then they have been trying to discredit the drug. Most notably, playing up the story of the idiot who died from taking what was essentially Aquarium cleaner which contained elements of the drug.


Here is how the Huffington Post reported on the story:

"The couple, both in their 60s, had not been diagnosed with COVID-19, but the woman said they were worried of contracting the disease and had taken the aquarium product as a preventative measure. 


The product they consumed contained the same active ingredient as the two anti-malaria drugs Trump referred to — but unlike the medicine taken by humans, the product they ingested is used to get rid of algae and a parasite that causes a condition known as white spot disease in fish. According to The New York Times , prices for the aquarium product “have spiked during the coronavirus pandemic.” 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/arizona-man-chloroquine-coronavirus-dead_n_5e7994f4c5b62f90bc506029




Here is the devious CNN using the words of Dr Fauci, who once said there was no magic drug out there:





So there you have it. If the President is for it the media is against it, even if it will save American lives.

Their hatred has no limits.


 


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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

For your approval: The deranged American media


Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2  Ozzwald    2 months ago
So there you have it. If the President is for it the media is against it, even if it will save American lives.

Prove it will save lives.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2    2 months ago
Prove it will save lives.

Watch the first video

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago
Watch the first video

That was a great interview. There have been other physicians, scientists, and recovered patients who've been interviewed on FNC who've said the same thing, but it seems that anti-Trump media doesn't contact them and ask them to share positive facts and data.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.1    2 months ago

It's a big secret with them

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago

Watch the first video

Who gives a crap what people claim?  Show me evidence, show me complete replicated test results, before you start injecting shit into people.  Maybe it will, maybe it won't.  That's what testing is all about. 

This isn't Star Trek, where Dr. McCoy comes up with a cure in 60 minutes or less.

damn-it-im-a-doctor-not-a-miracle-worker

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.3    2 months ago
Show me evidence, show me complete replicated test results, before you start injecting shit into people.

So, without triple blind multi-thousand participant peer reviewed clinical trials, you'll refuse the Hydroxychloroquine if you contract the COVID19 virus.

A simple yes or no will suffice as an answer.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.3    2 months ago
Who gives a crap what people claim?  Show me evidence, show me complete replicated test results, before you start injecting shit into people.  Maybe it will, maybe it won't.  That's what testing is all about. 

A thirty second Internet search would have answered your scepticism. Here is the peer-reviewed study ...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view

You're welcome!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.5    2 months ago
A thirty second Internet search would have answered your scepticism. Here is the peer-reviewed study ...

A little over 24 pages, on a personal Google drive account, is considered, BY YOU, to be a professional peer reviewed study???

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Jasper2529
2.1.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.6    2 months ago
A little over 24 pages, on a personal Google drive account, is considered, BY YOU, to be a professional peer reviewed study???

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Previously, you called someone here "retarded", and now you call me "deranged". I certainly hope that you don't say things like that to your parents, spouse, and children.

Perhaps you should research Dr. Didier's credentials and how highly respected he is in microbiology before accusing anyone else you disagree with of being retarded and deranged.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1.8  Heartland American  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.7    2 months ago

The governor of Nevada actually banned the use of that medication for covid 19 patients in his state.  Thankfully Israel and Teva pharmaceuticals are donating 10 million capsules of that drug to the United States.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.7    2 months ago
Previously, you called someone here "retarded"

Complete lie, I have NEVER done that.

and now you call me "deranged".

[[unnecessary and rude]]

Perhaps you should research Dr. Didier's credentials and how highly respected he is in microbiology before accusing anyone else you disagree with of being retarded and deranged.

Don't have to because peer reviewed studies are NOT published on personal Google Drive accounts.  You want to provide a link to an official medical publication reviewing his article?  If not, you don't seem to understand the concept of "peer reviewed".

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.9    2 months ago
Previously, you called someone here "retarded"
Complete lie, I have NEVER done that.

I was wrong and truly apologize. Someone else said "retarded".

Although I'm fluent in several languages, English is my native language; my comments clearly indicate this, so there was no need to try to demean me by assuming something that doesn't exist. By the way, many languages use an eroteme as the end point to an interrogative phrase, clause, or sentence.

You want to provide a link to an official medical publication reviewing his article?

Of course I can, but I won't, because your comments have indicated that you're not interested in the many peer-reviewed articles and papers written by  Dr. Didier and many other internationally-renowned physicians and scientists. If you use DuckDuckGo, you can find them on the Internet ... just as I did.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2    2 months ago
Prove it will save lives.

You'll need to ask the people who received it and recovered that question.   What do you believe their response will be?

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.1  Heartland American  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    2 months ago

They will call it propaganda and disregard such testimony.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
3  evilgenius    2 months ago

By the same token if the President is for it his lemmings will jump over the cliff while ridiculing the non-lemmings.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @3    2 months ago

So you don't want to save American lives?  It's all about defeating the President for you?

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 months ago
So you don't want to save American lives?

Will this save lives? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I'll listen to the medical experts, not our Dear Emperor, media talking heads nor purveyors of partisan puke.

It's all about defeating the President for you?

It's about truth. Why is it all black and white with you Vic?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.1    2 months ago
I'll listen to the medical experts, not our Dear Emperor, media talking heads nor purveyors of partisan puke.

You have better than that - It's been used in New York since Tuesday!  We should have results soon!


It's about truth.

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evilgenius
3.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    2 months ago
We should have results soon!

Good!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.3    2 months ago

I think so. Maybe a game changer!

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.1    2 months ago
384 https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/03/24/coronavirus-drugs-study-gupta-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

This illustrates several things.  At face value, a trial in which 24% aren't helped is not considered a success.

The fact that one died out of 26 is a higher death rate than most countries have experienced ( 4% ).

And finally as several doctors have mentioned, including Gupta & Fauci, this trial size is just too small for any reasonable conclusion.

The 76% who completed the trial alive is very close to the 80% figure for people who survived with no drugs

or other drug cocktails,

in other words, not a game changer, just one of 69 drugs deemed worthy of further study.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  evilgenius @3    2 months ago
By the same token if the President is for it his lemmings will jump over the cliff while ridiculing the non-lemmings

A better response would have been:

By the same token if the President is for it his detractors and haters will jump over the cliff while watching the people who appreciate the President recover from the virus as his haters crash on the rocks below.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Exclusive: How federal scientists for more than a decade skipped clinical trials on drugs line chloroquine that showed promise in past coronavirus outbreaks. ‘A lot of opportunities were squandered,’ key researcher admits.

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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/road-not-traveled-how-big-science-skipped-clinical-trials-after-past#.XnypO6BJvo4.twitter

Courtesy of John Solomon

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5  Larry Hampton    2 months ago

So your "proof" that some media is trying to discredit the drug, is based on the fact that there was a story run about folks who ate poison to prevent coronavirus, or critiques about the drug. 

Okay,,,,talk about a martyrdom complex...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Larry Hampton @5    2 months ago

LMAO....You got me going!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @5    2 months ago
So your "proof" that some media is trying to discredit the drug, is based on the fact that there was a story run about folks who ate poison to prevent coronavirus, or critiques about the drug. 

Hardly.  The "proof" is the media extolling the virtues and brilliance of Fauci stating 'anecdotal evidence'.   If they have that much faith in Dr. Fauci, I sincerely hope they wait for his multiyear peer reviewed triple blind studies of effective drugs to combat the virus before they seek medical assistance.   The rest of us will use what has been proved effective in a number of cases as prescribed by doctors.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    2 months ago
as prescribed by doctors.

...how soon we forget the effects of the opioid epidemic, prescribed by doctors in cahoots with big pharma. Good on Dr. Fauci for not backing down in stating the truth.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.1    2 months ago
as prescribed by doctors.
...how soon we forget the effects of the opioid epidemic, prescribed by doctors in cahoots with big pharma. Good on Dr. Fauci for not backing down in stating the truth.

Yeah as prescribed by doctors, and not idiots self "medicating" using fish tank cleaners.

And if you're an admirer of Fauci and clinical trials, will YOU refuse to take any prescribed medications that are proving effective against the COVID19 until they go through peer reviewed triple blind clinical trials?   A simple YES or NO is sufficient as a response.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.2    2 months ago
A simple YES or NO is sufficient as a response.

In conjunction with a physician with whom we share a long-standing and trusting relationship, my simple and consistent answer would be no. Hopefully that meets your oft demanded specificity standards.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.3    2 months ago
In conjunction with a physician with whom we share a long-standing and trusting relationship, my simple and consistent answer would be no. Hopefully that meets your oft demanded specificity standards.

Great.  Then you simply admit that YOU will also accept using a drug that has only 'anecdotal evidence' that has not been through clinical trials as President Trump has indicated 'might be a game changer'.

Hot damn bat man.  r.t..b... admitted he might accept what Trump has indicated MIGHT help.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.4    2 months ago
Hot damn bat man.  r.t..b... admitted he might accept what Trump has indicated MIGHT help.

This has nothing to do with anecdotal evidence, clinical trials and/or trump...and everything to do with a long-standing and trusted physician/patient relationship. A relationship that has and will continue beyond the constraints of any singular administration and whatever 'game changers' they wish to utter.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.6  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.5    2 months ago
This has nothing to do with anecdotal evidence, clinical trials and/or trump...and everything to do with a long-standing and trusted physician/patient relationship. A relationship that has and will continue beyond the constraints of any singular administration and whatever 'game changers' they wish to utter.

Really good try there rtb, but the FACT remains that you would accept the drug(s) without peer reviewed clinical trials trusting what Donald Trump and your doctor indicates might in fact save your life.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.7  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.6    2 months ago
what Donald Trump and your doctor

Can you be honest in acknowledging that these two entities have absolutely have nothing in common when dealing with the treatment of a specific patient with his primary caregiver in dealing with specific issues?  Your desire to emphasize anything else is purely partisan, totally expected, and easily dismissed.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.8  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.7    2 months ago
Can you be honest in acknowledging that these two entities have absolutely have nothing in common when dealing with the treatment of a specific patient with his primary caregiver in dealing with specific issues?  Your desire to emphasize anything else is purely partisan, totally expected, and easily dismissed.

You can twist however you want spinmaster.

You admit that if provided, you will accept the Hydroxychloroquine if provided.  The same drug that President Trump has noted MIGHT be a viable drug to combat the virus.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.8    2 months ago
You can twist however you want spinmaster.

Label it what you will, plenty of that going around. I'll also continue to refute any and every correlation you feel compelled to make in tying scientific fact with trump's 'MIGHTS'. It is irresponsible, 9mm, plain and simple. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Larry Hampton @5    2 months ago

That was more than obvious they ran a report that said people died from trumps recommendation on hydroxychloroquine completely false bogus bullshit and yet here you are defending it ... unfuckingbelievabke.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

New coronavirus test tries to reduce risk for health workers by letting patients swab selves

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It's amazing what the task force has come up with!

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    2 months ago

If Trump said water sustained lives the media would author stories disputing the claim.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1  loki12  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7    2 months ago

In the liberal hell hole of Chicago, if you come into the hospital with Corona virus.....Fuck you we are going to DNR your ass, Because we don't follow the hippocratic oath, We'd rather see you die.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  loki12 @7.1    2 months ago

What a disgusting and untrue comment. Got any proof to back-up that retarded statement? Gotta a link that shows Chicago hospitals abandoning their oath?

Pitiful and egregious fear mongering. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.1    2 months ago
  • In Chicago, the Northwestern Memorial Hospital has been debating how to implement a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients 
  • Hospital administrators have asked Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker for assistance in clarifying how state law would permit a policy shift 
  • Similar discussions around not resuscitating have been taking place at the George Washington University Hospital in D.C

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8153707/Doctors-deciding-enact-not-resuscitate-orders-coronavirus-patients.html

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.3  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

Gee, I guess the statement wasn’t the retarded thing here.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

Facts be damned. Imagine that.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.5  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

Liberals letting people die, how to spin this into being trumps fault for the low functioning.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.6  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  loki12 @7.1.5    2 months ago

Low T is the real epidemic.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago
  • In Chicago, the Northwestern Memorial Hospital has been debating how to implement a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients 
  • Hospital administrators have asked Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker for assistance in clarifying how state law would permit a policy shift 
  • Similar discussions around not resuscitating have been taking place at the George Washington University Hospital in D.C
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8153707/Doctors-deciding-enact-not-resuscitate-orders-coronavirus-patients.html

GM Jim...

As they say, the TRUTH will set you free, or at least prove to some that the statements other make are NOT//NOT the "disgusting and untrue", "retarded (so politically incorrect) statement".

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.8  Larry Hampton  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

Have you ever worked in triage? Because where the rubber meets the road, these are the questions that must be asked and answered. Ya know, adult conversations about difficult topics?! 

Where is the evidence or admission that these hospitals are abandoning the Hippocratic Oath?

Perhaps some empathy is in order for these overwhelmed health professionals having to make these very real, everyday choices; choices that have to be made. Do you think these poor folks go home and celebrate the choices they have to make? there is a reason why suicide and chemical dependency is so high among health care workers, and this is one of the reasons why.  They have to live everyday making very difficult decisions that nobody else will make, and also take heat from arm-chair doctors and nurses who aren't taking the risks, doing the work, or know what the hell they are even talking about.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
7.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.8    2 months ago

Well said.

Some people have an agenda to push, medical reality be damned.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.8    2 months ago
Have you ever worked in triage? Because where the rubber meets the road, these are the questions that must be asked and answered. Ya know, adult conversations about difficult topics?! 

Is that different than calling what someone says, which is true by the way, "What a disgusting and untrue comment."  followed immediately by, "Got any proof to back-up that retarded statement?".

Yeah...  that's "adult conversations about difficult topics" per NO ONE.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.9    2 months ago
Some people have an agenda to push

Yes they do.  We won't mention names though.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.1    2 months ago

Larry,

Here is an article to read. It's a bit more complicated than explained but not wrong. Chicago is in dire straits:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospitals-consider-universal-do-not-resuscitate-orders-for-coronavirus-patients/ar-BB11HHB6

What I find disgusting it making this a political statement, rather than a sad statement about an emergency situation. 

Nothing like this has ever hit this country. In NYC, nurses are wearing garbage bags to stay as sterile as they can due to the lack of supplies. And our Gov Cuomo is doing his best to show how to manage and not point fingers. Sad that it has to be done here.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.12    2 months ago

loki's wording aside, it isn't making a political statement. It is the truth about the sad state of affairs in this emergency situation. The fact that it IS Chicago is irrelevant. New York seems to be our current epicenter and there is NO talk that I have seen OR heard OR read about them doing this.

And might I suggest some of our compadres above take a refresher in the Hippocratic Oath..................................Physicians know going in that they will have to face some hard decisions. It's almost like saying that someone who volunteers for the military didn't realize that some day they MAY have to go to war.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.12    2 months ago

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XDm9mm
7.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.14    2 months ago

Hmmmm....   from that photo, it looks like they're putting trash bags over their protective gear.  Maybe to extend use of the issued stuff?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.16  Larry Hampton  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.12    2 months ago

Thanks for the link Perrie, good read.

It's an entirely new ballgame for armchair QB's, when they are the ones trying to provide care to people who are sick, scared, puking and coughing, sometimes dying; and, you are underprepared, under-sourced, and worried yourself for you and your loved ones. 

When was the last time anyone here had to resuscitate more people at the same time, then there are ventilators, health care workers or beds?! Go make that call, look those patients loved one's in the eye, and then come back here, and tell us how them making those choices is breaking their oaths.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.17  Larry Hampton  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.13    2 months ago

It's like saying a soldier who has done their duty to the best of their ability, is a murderer.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.13    2 months ago

I can get on board with what you are saying Jim, but it wasn't only Loki that said or implied a political statement, and I think that in a time of national emergency, we should be banding together and not making this about politics. 

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.19  loki12  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7.1.6    2 months ago

Or political correctness in science, I just saw a commercial for a drug for HIV i think, and those fucking retards said "Do not use if you were assigned a female at birth"  Assigned?  Holy shit we have lost our minds if this is now science.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.20  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.18    2 months ago

I guess that is why we see you calling out all the anti-trump screeds here.....said no one ever!   I guess "independent" doesn't mean what we all thought it meant. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1.15    2 months ago

Yes, that is exactly it. I confirmed this with my daughter, who is volunteering at the coronavirus lab at Mt. Sinai, and the issue is patient safety. They only get 1 full body covering a day and the garbage bags they can change to not pass it from patient to patient. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.22  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.12    2 months ago
In NYC, nurses are wearing garbage bags to stay as sterile as they can due to the lack of supplies.

This happened at ONE hospital in NYC. BUT ...

A stunning photo shared on social media shows three nurses at Mount Sinai West posing in a hallway while clad in large, black plastic trash bags fashioned into makeshift protective garb.

Meanwhile, staffers at the hospital near Columbus Circle on Wednesday tied the lack of basic supplies there to the death of assistant nursing manager Kious Kelly, who tested positive for coronavirus about two weeks ago.

Kelly, 48, was admitted to Mount Sinai’s flagship hospital on the Upper East Side on March 17 and died Tuesday night, the workers said.

“Kious didn’t deserve this,” one nurse said. “The hospital should be held responsible. The hospital killed him.”

Another nurse described “issues with supplies for about a year now,” during which it got “to the point where we had to hide our own supplies and go to other units looking for stuff because even the supply room would have nothing most of the time.”

“But when we started getting COVID patients, it became critical,” the nurse said.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/worker-at-nyc-hospital-where-nurses-wear-trash-bags-as-protection-dies-from-coronavirus/

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.23  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1.15    2 months ago

See comment 7.1.22 for FULL story. That hospital has had supplies issues for around A YEAR.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @7.1.20    2 months ago

Loki,

I have not once, criticized the president's handling of this crisis. Look through my comment history. And I think you need to look up the meaning of independent. It means that you are nonpartisan, not opinionless. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.25  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.17    2 months ago

I usually say abracadabra first.

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Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.21    2 months ago
and the issue is patient safety. They only get 1 full body covering a day and the garbage bags they can change to not pass it from patient to patient. 

That being the case, what do they do on a regular day to day basis around other types of infectious diseases when a pandemic isn't around?  I realize this mass check in of virus sufferers is not the norm, 

Serious question.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.27  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @7.1.19    2 months ago
Holy shit we have lost our minds if this is now science

...and especially true when our leaders tout a 'possible' cure, without the necessary, repeat necessary, testing to validate it's efficacy and more importantly, safety. How about we focus on the established but still wanting mass testing of the dilemma in front of us.

That is the key, as we will have patients that have contracted the disease and either recovered or require further treatment. It is the base population that can help our scientists and care-givers move forward. "we'll see what happens" is not an excuse for inaction.

HIV drugs and birth assignment deflections aside.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.28  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @7.1.19    2 months ago
I just saw a commercial for a drug for HIV i think

The commercial was actually for a prophylactic to prevent HIV...   and yeah, it WAS stated not to use IF ASSIGNED FEMALE at birth.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.29  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.17    2 months ago

That's so Jane Fonda......................I would never call them that no matter the situation. That is life or death and it is them or us. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.30  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1.28    2 months ago

Gosh I hope Andrew Gillum was taking that along with the meth.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.31  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.24    2 months ago

Read what i said again, I never said you called out the president, you just allow your hate for him to allow others to say what ever they want with your blessing, but call out others (me) for pointing that the other side is also problematic.  You are biased. and it shows, Just like you allow religious bigotry to run rampant, Bible thumper, (which nobody can dispute is an insult) sound familiar? But I bet faithless douche gets a CoC.   Bias, plain and simple.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.32  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.22    2 months ago

I have no idea where the Post got that information from, This from The Hill:

A photo is circulating online showing Mount Sinai Health System nurses using trash bags as a form of personal protective equipment (PPE) after a nursing manager died of the coronavirus on Tuesday.

The picture has garnered attention on social media as hospitals deal with a lack of supplies to treat the growing number of people diagnosed with COVID-19.

A system spokesperson told   The New York Times   that they were not aware of nurses wearing trash bags as protective gear and noted the photos show the staff wearing other gear below the bags. 

In a statement to The Hill, a spokesperson said the hospital system "always" provides "all our staff with the critically important" PPE "they need to do their job."

"If an individual does not have their proper PPE, they do not go on the floor, period. Any suggestion otherwise is simply not accurate," the spokesperson said.

The spokesperson acknowledged that the pandemic is "straining the resources of all New York area hospitals."

"This crisis is only growing and it’s essential that we not only have all the right equipment but that we come together to help and support one another," the spokesperson said, adding they are "grieving deeply" over the nursing manager's death.

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Mount Sinai West nursing manager Kious Jordan Kelly, who was in his 40s, had been hospitalized on March 17 before passing away on Tuesday, NBC Washington   reported .

The Mount Sinai Health System released a statement on Twitter on Wednesday night saying it was “deeply saddened by the passing of a beloved member of our nursing staff.”

“Today, we lost another hero — a compassionate colleague, friend and selfless caregiver,” the health system posted.

New York City Mayor   Bill de Blasio   (D) and New York Gov.   Andrew Cuomo   (D) have warned that the hospitals have a lack of medical supplies to treat the growing number of patients in the city and the state. Both leaders have said this could lead to the hospitals being overwhelmed and unable to care for all of the patients streaming in.

Cuomo   requested  that   President Trump   order companies to manufacture medical supplies earlier this week. He also   said Wednesday   the state needed 30,000 ventilators; it currently has 11,000.

The number of cases in New York state reached more than 30,800 as of Wednesday and at least 285 deaths in the state, according to   Times data .

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489622-photo-shows-staff-using-trash-bags-as-protective-gear-in-hospital-system

That is my daughter's hospital, and she said they had plenty of supplies until less than a week ago. The Post has an agenda of its own.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.33  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.27    2 months ago
...and especially true when our leaders tout a 'possible' cure, without the necessary, repeat necessary, testing to validate it's efficacy and more importantly, safety.

And I keep telling you to wait for the peer reviewed triple blind clinical trials before accepting what has been "touted as a 'possible' cure", but you simply refuse to do that.  You'll STILL accept that "touted as a 'possible' cure" if prescribed by your trusted physician.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.27    2 months ago
..and especially true when our leaders tout a 'possible' cure, without the necessary, repeat necessary, testing to validate it's efficacy and more importantly, safety.

Okay. We have people here that say every damned day that Trump didn't tell us the whole truth and NOW you want him to withhold any real bright spots? If I had the disease (crossing fingers) I would let them use me as a guinea pig if the drug had been approved for another disease.

It's much like the old "when seconds count, police are only minutes away". Well "when hours count, the research and testing and verification are only months away."

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.35  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.27    2 months ago

Sigh,  Yes it is much better to die from the virus and maintain your partisan purity than taking a drug the President has said has shown success.   

HIV drugs and birth assignment deflections aside

obviously you need to learn what a deflection is,   

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.36  Larry Hampton  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.29    2 months ago

Good.

Allowing that, do you then understand why saying that health professionals are disavowing the Hippocratic Oath when they are seriously just trying to figure out how to triage patients, is simply wrong? When an army field hospital prioritizes one patient ahead of another, it is a medical call, and one that has consequences. When you only have so much to work with, and you don't make priorities, more people suffer, and more people die.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.37  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.34    2 months ago

Dude, when all the democrats die proving trump wrong......because the majority seem to be TDS infected to the point of idiocy, it will still be trumps fault.  At least they will help with global warming and world hunger, so the will be at least marginally useful.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @7.1.31    2 months ago

Again, where have I ever said that I hate him? I don't. I don't think he is fit to be president, but I didn't think Hillary was either. As for what other people say, I am not here to control opinions. And how dare you call me a religious bigot. You have no idea of my religious views and I am not on those threads. Maybe you only notice what bothers you, but I write up both sides equally. Maybe if you understood the CoC, you would understand what is or is not a violation. 

And this is a warning. Make this personal to me again, I will flag it with points, since you are actually making stuff up about me.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.39  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @7.1.31    2 months ago
but call out others (me)

...ah, thanks for the clarification.

Time here to thank all the moderators for their thankless job in herding cats and allowing us to state our opinions, and they are just opinions, in a venue that allows us an opportunity to vent some frustration. 

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.40  loki12  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.36    2 months ago

Yeah, The left are now cheering Obama's death panels.....I'm sure the rich white people will feel the pain........Help me out here, weren't these same liberals whining that they didn't want insurance companies deciding who lived and died because of resources, But now cheer liberals deciding who lives or dies by resources?    The english language needs a word for this!  

The hippocratic oath says....First do no harm......Unless you don't have the resources....then fuck them?  when was that added?

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.41  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  loki12 @7.1.40    2 months ago
Yeah, The left are now cheering Obama's death panels

Err um it kind of killed Bloomberg when we found out that he though old people weren't exactly worth treating.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.42  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1.33    2 months ago
if prescribed by your trusted physician.

The key word being 'if'.

I'll hang my health and my families on accepted science rather than a politician's gut feelings thank you.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.43  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.38    2 months ago

Since you are failing to even try to read what i have written, i will just say good bye,  

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.44  loki12  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7.1.41    2 months ago

Bloomberg is dreamy.......This is the only approved opinion tolerated.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.45  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.32    2 months ago

I fully understand the similarities and differences between my article and yours. The glaring difference, however, is that yours is from the hospital's "cover our asses'' side, and mine is from the nursing/staff boots-on-the-ground reality side. Nurses and doctors have saved my life numerous times. I'll believe them before anyone who comfortably and "safely" sits in an office.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.46  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7.1.41    2 months ago

And those last two comments are political again. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.47  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @7.1.35    2 months ago
taking a drug the President has said has shown success. 

And that makes you comfortable? Take two 'partisan purity' pills and call me in the morning.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.48  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.46    2 months ago

and?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.49  Larry Hampton  replied to  loki12 @7.1.40    2 months ago

So lets just say loki, that you are a doctor and have to treat patients, and there are lottsa patients needing you. How do you decide which patients you will help, and which ones you won't? There are only so many resources and workers, yet you HAVE to chose what you will do. That is EXACTLY what we are talking about, prioritizing where the care will go. It is the hardest decision some will ever make in their lives.

What would you do? If you don't choose, lives will be lost, if you do choose, lives will be lost. These doctors, in the direst of straights, are in a no win situation and they know it; yet, they still do their very best to provide as much care as possible. They aren't God to decide to save all of them, they are merely human and have to live and die with those toughest of choices.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.50  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.49    2 months ago

Put some lotion on it and help everyone. That's what we do, that's what they do. That's what separates us from the animals.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.51  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @7.1.43    2 months ago

No I have read what you just wrote me. Let's go through your highlights:

  • I guess that is why we see you calling out all the anti-trump screeds here.....said no one ever!   I guess "independent" doesn't mean what we all thought it meant. 
  • you just allow your hate for him to allow others to say what ever they want with your blessing, but call out others (me) for pointing that the other side is also problematic. 
  • Since you are failing to even try to read what i have written

Don't pee on my head, and tell me it's raining.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.52  Larry Hampton  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7.1.50    2 months ago

Only so much lotion and hands to spread it. Then what?

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.53  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.51    2 months ago
Don't pee on my head, and tell me it's raining.

Oh geez, it's getting hot in here.....

Ok ok you can whip me and beat me but just don't call me Edna under any circumstance. (Don't hurt Pepe) that's the safe phrase.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.54  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @7.1.37    2 months ago
Dude, when all the democrats die proving trump wrong

...you've just jumped the shark...dude.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.55  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.52    2 months ago

Suck it up and try.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.57  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.45    2 months ago

Again Japser, that is the hospital my daughter got her med education and also where she volunteers daily at the testing lab. I'll take her word over any publication. The Hill is being responsible in their reporting.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.58  Larry Hampton  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @7.1.55    2 months ago

If they do that, then more people will die than need to. If we don't set priorities, then resources are wasted, and more people die. Being honest about the resources and needs, are the only way to make the resources last as long as possible, and save more people.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.59  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.57    2 months ago
Again Japser, that is the hospital my daughter got her med education and also where she volunteers daily at the testing lab. I'll take her word over any publication.

As her mother, that's your prerogative. I'm sure that, as a volunteer, she works very hard at whatever her assignments are.

However, please remember that I have not been the one to insert personal relationships into our comment exchanges. I have commented solely with sources based upon scientific facts and evidence.

The Hill is being responsible in their reporting.

So is the NY Post. In fact, the NY Post link I provided gave more accurate information than The Hill did, so that's why I chose the NY Post link rather than The Hill.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.60  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.42    2 months ago
I'll hang my health and my families on accepted science rather than a politician's gut feelings thank you.

See my post below at # 8. How about your physician's (basically gut) feelings.........................

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.61  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.60    2 months ago
See my post below at # 8. How about your physician's (basically gut) feelings

Regardless of the nebulous intentions of post #8, the relationship with my physician is based on trust and the truth. Not sure how many times than needs to be explained.

..."some" doctors are like "some" of us, willing to exploit a situation for their own personal benefit. Deplorable it is.

To lump those in with those the majority of those that are not engaged in such self-serving behavior, and particularly those on the front-lines 24/7 doing all they can to protect all of us, is past derogatory.

So, what's really the point, Jim?

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.62  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.51    2 months ago

Exactly where did i accuse you of being a religious bigot like i claimed?  Your site sure tolerates it. but i never accused you of bigotry.  

as for the rest.

  • I guess that is why we see you calling out all the anti-trump screeds here.....said no one ever!   I guess "independent" doesn't mean what we all thought it meant. 

This is accurate, you only demand tolerance from those on the right, Show where you called out one of the left for their partisan screeds on how badly trump has handled this.  I'll wait...

  • you just allow your hate for him to allow others to say what ever they want with your blessing, but call out others (me) for pointing that the other side is also problematic. 

See above

  • Since you are failing to even try to read what i have written

This is obvious, again go back and reread what i wrote form an independent view, 

You wrote this, And how dare you call me a religious bigot. Where did i say this? Show me the specific post?  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.63  Larry Hampton  replied to  loki12 @7.1.62    2 months ago

Lol; have you ever heard of "suicide by moderator"?

You're about to.

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Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.64  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.61    2 months ago
So, what's really the point, Jim?

The point is not as simple as one thing.

1. What do these physicians know that others may not?

2. Where is the Hippocratic Oath adherence that has been the topic previously? Are they not putting their friends and family at risk of some medical emergency by prescribing the drugs?

3. If they aren't tested for CoviD-19, why are they prescribing it and drastically lowering the supply for those who truly need and have been using it to treat other diseases?

4. What excuse/diagnosis are the doctors using to justify giving it to those who don't need it for any proven reason in the case of # 3?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
7.1.65  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.64    2 months ago
The point is not as simple as one thing.

On that we can agree, Jim.

Just not sure why my relationship with my physician was singled out? That has absolutely nothing to do with the myriad of questions at hand.

Put out any post you desire as a PSA...and more power to you for doing so. That being said, these questions should not be asked of me, as I have neither the expertise nor influence for others to make an informed decision.

Feel free to continue to posit your questions as you feel necessary, knowing that they will help the general discussion, but I am not interested in the continuation of a fruitless personal one. If you feel the need to do so, we'd all be better served if you chose to send a personal request for comment.

Take care.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.66  loki12  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.63    2 months ago

You act like i give a shit, You do realize there are lots more sites right? And according to Perrie, Short of death wishing nobody gets banned.   

Your suicide comment is closer to death wishing then anything i have said, Let see how it's tolerated?  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
7.1.67  Larry Hampton  replied to  loki12 @7.1.66    2 months ago

Well if you can't tell I was speaking metaphorically (a blogging metaphor actually!), then I can't help ya none. However, if your liking the look of other sites, then by all means, don't let me stop ya!

:~)

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.68  loki12  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.67    2 months ago

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Larry Hampton
7.1.69  Larry Hampton  replied to  loki12 @7.1.68    2 months ago

Craziness! I have an old Iphone 7plus and hardly have any troubles at all with the site. Good luck!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.70  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @7.1.65    2 months ago

No malice intended. You mentioned physician and it seemed a nice segue into what I had to say. I really wasn't singling you out..........except you are one of the more reasonable members to discuss things with.

You do the same my friend.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.71  loki12  replied to  Larry Hampton @7.1.69    2 months ago

Post a picture from safari, Or upload an image, good luck because there in NO methodology to do it. plus to change color or font, you have to go to a secondary screen, and then return to the primary screen and then post your comment. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.72  Heartland American  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.32    2 months ago

The Obama Biden administration used up the national pandemic stockpiles that President George W. Bush established to a large extent and never in their remaining six years bothered to replace it. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.73  Heartland American  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.59    2 months ago

The NY Post is the only paper in that city worth reading besides the opinion pages and business sections of the Wall St. Journal.   

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.74  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.72    2 months ago

Those would be the same six years that the GoP controlled Congress and the power of the purse while bitching each and every day about the national Debt and ways to trim it.

Ways like not replacing those pandemic stockpiles from 2011 to 2017.

Fast forward to 2017, not only do national debts not matter anymore, but the pandemic stockpiles still did not excite this Administration either, in fact, to "streamline" the government, the pandemic team members were released or reassigned.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.75  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.74    2 months ago

You don’t need stockpiles you need a plan to coordinate with private company’s to make products what the hell were they planning for?

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.76  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @7.1.75    2 months ago

Well the people that were fired or reassigned 3 years ago can't be responsible now can they?

When Chris Christy did all of the work and planning for ethics training for the WH, Trump had a fit.

He said the effort was a waste of time and (his) money and all of the binders of training materials that had been assembled were thrown in the trash at the President's direction.

I would be pretty confident guessing that's what happened to all of the pandemic teams' plans as well.

And yes, stockpiles are kept to bridge the gap between current stock and ramping up production.

Prior levels would have bought us a few more weeks.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.77  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.74    2 months ago
Those would be the same six years that the GoP controlled Congress and the power of the purse

Harry reid was a GOP?  Who knew.........

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.78  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.76    2 months ago

Where was the plan they formulated  no coordination with private sector no plan for mass testing they had no plan they did not produce a plan.I don’t blame the last administration I blame all administration for the last 30years it is ridiculous there wasn’t a plan in place for mass testing and to coordinate with private industry.You will not be able to convince me the bureaucracy and life long politicians aren’t at fault.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.79  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @7.1.62    2 months ago
This is accurate, you only demand tolerance from those on the right, Show where you called out one of the left for their partisan screeds on how badly trump has handled this.  I'll wait...

The irony. Here is is your mouthing off to me, and also at the same time accusing tolerance from only the right, yet look what I am putting up from you. Yet the whole front page contains articles that are equally bad from both sides of the aisle. 

You wrote this,And how dare you call me a religious bigot.Where did i say this? Show me the specific post?  

Was it not implied here:

You are biased. and it shows, Just like you allow religious bigotry to run rampant, Bible thumper, (which nobody can dispute is an insult) sound familiar? 

Now I am done with these insults. Take note of this time stamp. Anything else from you to me, will result in points. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.80  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.59    2 months ago
However, please remember that I have not been the one to insert personal relationships into our comment exchanges. I have commented solely with sources based upon scientific facts and evidence.

How is telling you, what I have inquired with my daughter making it personal? I am relaying what she sees as the current conditions in that hospital. 

The NY Post is considered a right wing paper here in NY, just like the NY Daily News is considered left. I chose the Hlll, since it is considered pretty neutral. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
7.1.81  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.80    2 months ago
How is telling you, what I have inquired with my daughter making it personal?

Please reread my comment. The relationship that you and your daughter have is personal, is it not? And that, Perrie, was the sole intent of my comment. Period.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.82  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.1.81    2 months ago

The meaning of a "personal comment" is when I say something to you about your family, not mine. That is not what I did. I am reporting in what is seen with those who have feet on the ground.

My daughter has nothing to gain or lose by saying what she is seeing. That is my point. Papers do.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.83  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @7.1.78    2 months ago

Ask the team that was disbanded and not replaced by anyone?

More than likely all of their plans went in the trash three years ago.

After all the top of the NSC and Mr. Trump eliminated the pandemic team as an unnecessary cost.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.84  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @7.1.77    2 months ago
Congress—and in particular, the House of Representatives—is invested with the “power of the purse,” the ability to tax and spend public money for the national government.

The House was controlled by John Boehner and Paul Ryan from 2011 through 2019.

Replenishing medical stockpiles may have appealed to Boehner unless Obama wanted it.

Ryan could care less at any point during his tenure.

 
 
 
loki12
7.1.85  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.84    2 months ago

So the Congress wasn’t controlled by the GOP! Thanks! We agree that the fucktards controlled 2/3’s

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

Well I guess in times of trouble, people are still people.............no matter how unethical I guess.....

Some doctors are writing prescriptions for a drug that may help treat coronavirus for their family and friends, one pharmacist said, calling their actions "unethical and selfish." Hydroxychloroquine has not been clinically proven to be safe or successful in treating coronavirus, and yet the increased demand for it is  making it harder for people who need it to control their chronic diseases to get it.

Hydroxychloroquine is a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug. It often treats autoimmune diseases, such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and is sold under the brand name, Plaquenil. 

Recent data show chloroquine orders spiked 3,000% in March and hydroxychloroquine orders rose 260%. The Food and Drug Administration has not approved these drugs for treatment of the coronavirus, but doctors are allowed to prescribe them.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-treatment-drug-hydroxychloroquine-doctor-prescription-family-friends/

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
8.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    2 months ago

I heard this the other day on MPR ,,, there are also pharmacists doing the same....horrible.

 
 
 
Repojam
8.2  Repojam  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8    2 months ago

Some doctors are writing prescriptions for a drug that may help treat   coronavirus   for their family and friends, one pharmacist said, calling their actions "unethical and selfish."  


So the thought process is "screw those who may need it now, I may need it in a few weeks"?

Do no harm in action.  Sad.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Repojam @8.2    2 months ago

Holy shit a huge blast from the past. How the hell are ya?

 
 
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