Young women increasingly want to leave US, Gallup poll says
By: Kathryn Palmer (USA TODAY)
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Young women increasingly want to leave US, Gallup poll says
A record number of American women and girls aged 15 to 44 say they want to permanently leave the country, according to a new Gallup survey.
More Americans say they want to move out the United States permanently in 2025 than at any time in the last two decades − with younger women leading the trend according to a new national poll.
A Gallup survey analysis published Nov. 13 found that 2 in 5 American women and girls ages 15 to 44 say they would leave the United States permanently if they could. That's four times higher than in 2014, when the 10% of women and girls who wanted to leave the country was generally in line with other age and gender groups. The rise includes both single women and married women.
More than twice as many women say they want to emigrate than men, Gallup pollsters said in their data review. In the same 15 to 44 age group, 19% of men and boys expressed the desire to emigrate, compared to the 40% of women in the survey. This gender gap is the largest Gallup has ever recorded on this issue since they started measuring this question in global polls in 2007.
Gallup pollsters said it's also the largest gender gap they've ever seen on the question across more than 160 countries.
Canada was listed as American womens' top destination preference, followed by New Zealand, Italy and Japan.
Gallup's question asks about desire to migrate, not plans or intentions, and surveyors note previous Gallup research shows not everyone who wants to move will do so.
Data also shows those who say they want to leave the country are more likely to disagree with the nation's political leadership and express low levels of confidence in the nation's institutions.
Of those who say they approve of President Donald Trump, both men and women, just 4% say they would like to leave the country. Of those who disapprove, 29% say they want to leave in the survey.
When it comes to different groups and their opinions on American institutions, such as the government, judiciary and military, Gallup researchers said younger women also made records in the latest survey. They saw the steepest drop in institutional confidence among any age or gender group.
Since 2015, American women and girls aged 15 to 44 have lost trust in the country's institutions by 17 points. Men's confidence in institutions in the same time frame and age group have remained broadly stable, dropping just one point.
Kathryn Palmer is a politics reporter for USA TODAY. You can reach her atkapalmer@usatoday.com and on X @KathrynPlmr.
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Due to the SCotUS and present day Republican philosophy, I guess they want more personal rights and opportunities than this.....
Or they're just being melodramatic again.
The thing is, huge numbers of the rest of us wish they would fuck off to wherever it is they would like to go. We wish them every happiness, but nobody is going to miss them constantly demanding the rest of us change behavior to suit whatever neurosis is driving them in the moment. They will find plenty of help loading their Subarus.
Canada was listed as American womens' top destination preference,
Must be the Beaver Tail (or else its the Maple Syrup?)
LOL, no, it's the proximity of a similar society, universal healthcare, common sense women's rights over their bodies (right to abortion), and pussy-grabbers are not tolerated.
I'm not all that familiar with many aspects of Canadian culture, but from what I do know it seems that compared to the U.S. (or at least to our current leadership) a lot of what Canada is mainly based on...is just plain "common sense".
And it seems that a lot of the U.S.-- at least recently--is becoming more and more..just plain weird!
You don't need to be familiar with it, the culture is pretty much the same as the USA, just a little politer. However, these days the politics are no longer similar.
I spent some time in Canada driving down the ALCAN from Alaska back to the lower 48. Canadians are probably the nicest and most helpful people I've ever met
The prime example of that is what the people of Gander, Newfoundland, did when all air traffic over and to the USA was grounded after 9/11, when air traffic had to land there.
Data also shows those who say they want to leave the country are more likely to disagree with the nation's political leadership and express low levels of confidence in the nation's institutions.
Of those who say they approve of President Donald Trump, both men and women, just 4% say they would like to leave the country. Of those who disapprove, 29% say they want to leave in the survey.
Obviously, what this amounts to is Trump haters saying as they always do: "If he is elected, I will leave." The problem is they don't mean it.
I'd love to see them go.
If they really did go, it would sure create a lot of space eh?
We would be united again and a nation of goodwill.
A nation of white Christian nationalists and white supremacists who believe it's their right to take whatever they want. Invade Greenland? Why not? Bomb Venezuela? Whose gonna stop 'em? White self-righteous religious bigots claiming their right to rule the world, just like their last Fuhrer attempted to lead them to. Nation of goodwill my ass.
LOL. You would be united again if at least half the population of the USA were to leave.
Are you now saying that all the women want to leave?
I thought it was 2 of every 5 polled?
LOL. I guess I exaggerated a bit. So how many people do you think 2 out of every 5 extrapolated to the actual population would total. Keep in mind that some might take their families with them.
Yes, I guess you did.
So how many people do you think 2 out of every 5 extrapolated to the actual population would total.
A minority for sure.
Keep in mind that some might take their families with them.
That is their right Buzz.
I seriously doubt any of them will be leaving.
Some might, but I'm pretty sure how the rest will vote in the next couple of elections.
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Buzz, I know you didn't mean for this seed to go south like it did, but there are some questionable comments in here that smack of misogyny. Delete my comment if you disagree or if I'm trolling, off=topic, etc
Au contraire, TG, I am pleased to see your comment on this article. Although it will not be understood by most others, I want to openly apologize to you for having upset you previously and hope we can normalize our connection.
I won't even ask what that was about.
Thanks, Buzz. And I apologize for my part in our disagreement. Start seeing me more often in your articles
It's none of your business
That's good, cause it's something only between Trout and me.
You're so Canadian. <smile>
And I'll be spending some time posting on yours.
I wasn't talking to you. Maybe you should mind your own business.
In that case I won't bother you anymore.
I hope you won't mind too much if I continue to bother you. LOL
There is nothing stopping them. Flights leave daily. Just need a passport to cross into Canada or Mexico.
The only reason they even consider leaving is that they're sick and tired of the rightwing white religious conservative stranglehold on certain States and cities that are stripping them of their bodily autonomy and trying to force them back into the kitchens barefoot and pregnant. Perhaps if we just got all those sick fucking useless pieces of religious conservative shit out of our government more American women would feel welcome in their own country of birth. I'm sure the psycho conservative pieces of shit will refuse to cede power because they're dumb fuck narcissistic bigots who think they're God's chosen people, but the country would truly become a place where American women feel wanted and celebrated as long as we get rid of the conservative sacks of shit stinking up our nation with bigotry and misogyny. That leaves just one option, voting them out of power in such large numbers they will never rear their brain-dead ugly mugs again.
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"Stay at Home Girlfriends"????
So they expect their "man" to go out every day and work his fingers to the bone so she can sit around the house?
Off Spring has a song about SAHGs
Or.... they're just being melodramatic. There is a lot of that going around.
If "bodily autonomy" were really the driver, they would simply be moving to Oregon or California or some other lovely lefty place that offers a "fifth abortion free" special.
Why are you being so reticent? Say what you REALLY think. LOL
Maybe it isn't obvious to you, but there are other reasons that Americans might dislike what their administration is doing. I'd say that American backpackers had better go back to sewing flags of other nations on their backpacks again like they did years ago.
I wasn't surprised over the weekend to learn the Speaker of the Assembly in WI buried a popular bipartisan bill to increase Medicaid for postpartum mothers for up to one year. It will never come up for vote because the committee he sent it to only meets like twice a year.
So even in prolife states women who want to be mothers and have families don't get support afterwards.
Maybe you should read the remark to which I responded.
I did. So what?
So I responded to that particular unhinged rant, not the unhinged rant he may have been thinking but didn't say.
The truth is these girls don't actually want to leave the country, they want to bitch and be melodramatic about the country. It's like threatening to run away from home because your mom made you eat your vegetables.
If they actually wanted to leave, it's amazingly easy to do.
Okay. So they're expressing a wish, but don't have the nerve to make it come true. It's still not a great thing for America for them to even have that wish.
Seems he's saying that women overreact and when they express themselves, we're supposed to ignore them because they're just "bitching" and being "melodramatic" and don't have any real problems, States taking away women's reproductive rights is just like making a kid eat their vegetables /s
Yes and no. That assumes they mean what they say. There is no reason to suspect they do that.
BTW, This is an uptown phenomenon.
It's a sign of how little they actually have to worry about that the minute something doesn't go their way they make a mountain out of the molehill. You'll notice this isn't a story about extreme poverty or lack of opportunity or high crime or civil war or any of the other things that usually drive large migration. Because liberal women in this country don't face any of that. They don't have any actual drama, so they have to create some.
The "not great" part of this whole situation is that many of these girls have their entire identity tied up in liberal politics, so they see a rejection of that is a rejection of them. That's not how America is supposed to work.
Well if you can't figure out a decent counterpoint, then I guess the best strategy is to pretend I said things I didn't.
Well, I'm no expert on politics or political economy, but it seems to me that these days America isn't working the way it's suppose to work.
Then please do explain when you said
How is that not exactly how I represented it?
I'm not sure this isn't exactly how it's supposed to work.
The older I get the more I understand the importance of process. Self governance is all about the process and the more people involved the more difficult the process becomes.
To refresh, we're talking about an article reporting on a survey in which a minority of people claimed they would like to emigrate. Women responded that they would like to emigrate twice as often as men.
In either gender, the majority of respondents answered the question quite sensibly.
So we are talking specifically about a minority of respondents who answered the question more cavalierly. It's incredibly common for people to say things they don't actually mean, especially when there is zero accountability for the words. It's not like an affirmative answer on some survey is a commitment to go. They're obviously not very serious about emigrating or they would have done it.
You've unsurprisingly ignored the math or references to it in order to vilify someone who holds a view different to your own and one that may represent a threat to your illogical political tribalism.
I have reason to want you to explain that theory more fully.
Could you offer some more specific guidance? What are you looking for, specifically?
I think that same theory applies to governance of a nation as well, and that the greater the population the more difficult the governance becomes, and that in such a case stricter measures are required for 'peace, order and good governance'.
That's interesting. You may be right.
I think the US is different than someplace like China, for instance, in two major ways. First, we lack the cultural uniformity of most countries. Most people in China are Chinese. They share a common culture, heritage, diet, ethos, and belief system. In the US, very few of us are truly "American". My ancestors actually fought in the Revolution, but most people's families came later from somewhere else and brought their own culture, tradition, food, etc. We're all very different and we all think very differently, which complicates the whole "stricter control" situation tremendously, as you've no doubt read.
Secondly, we absolutely expect the ability to have input in the decisions. If there is a universal American ethos, it undoubtedly starts with "don't tell me what to do". It is simultaneously our greatest strength and weakness. Our Constitution was written to codify this idea. We don't make rules for everybody to follow without everybody having a say in them.
So while I agree you 100% that stricter controls can absolutely facilitate peace and order, there is a limited degree to which you can actually do that here.
Jack, that's an excellent reply. It is very understandable that immigrants will bring with them their specific cultures and America is truly multicultural, but the next generation does get Americanized. Using myself as an example, my father was from Russia and my mother was from Ukraine (one of the reasons I refuse to take sides in that conflict) and they met and married in Canada. They became very Canadianized and my brother and I were from our birth entirely Canadianized, no different in any way from other Canadians. You are posing that subsequent generations adhere more to their roots than to their environment.
Yes, I was thinking of China, and you are right that the vast majority are multigenerational Chinese so there isn't the divisiveness as in America. It does make me sad to see how much that divisiveness has grown in America, although you do have the history of the Civil War, and sadly, what appears these days to be almost a war between two cultures, left and right.
It's cool to hear your personal story. I can't imagine how those experiences must have shaped your life.
Don't get too concerned about divisiveness in America. There is a gargantuan difference between what you see on the web or in the media and what's happening in real life. In the real world, we're all getting along much better than the keyboard warriors like to pretend.
What this article really alludes to is the low key but very widespread "mental illness" problem we have in the US. We have that because we've started defining virtually any type of mild discontent as some sort of malady.
When you have so little to complain about that you invent the phrase "microagression" to describe somebody looking at you funny or using a tone of voice you don't like, things are going incredibly well.
There is a saying that goes something like this:
We are currently in phase 3 of the program.
I never needed a passport to cross from Canada to the USA, so i'm surprised that it would be needed the other way around, but then maybe things have changed about that while I've been away.
Yessir. They have. That changed in 2009.
Okay, I haven't left China since 2008.
The ones over 18 could if they really wanted to. One of the great things about the US is you can leave anytime you want to.
I don't know of a nation that DOESN'T allow its citizens to leave. Such a nation would be a nationwide prison, would it not?
North Korea?
I guess I should have said "civilized" nation.
Are they the only ones still doing that?