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Track THIS…!!!...Part One of Three

  

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Via:  time-lord  •  13 years ago  •  9 comments

Track THIS…!!!...Part One of Three

Its been said, When it comes to advertisements on websites, theres a fine line between nuisance and blatant privacy invasion. Sometimes its just a coincidence that you see the same ad on different websites. But other times, its more deliberate.

Recently as I browsed my favorite blog site, I began to take notice of all the cookies that were loading up as I navigated around the site. On my computer, I have an app called Ghostery that pops up a display of all the cookies that are following me around as I browse. There can be anywhere from 2 to 40 that pop up. It can be annoying in a way, because as the cookies are loading upeverything else pretty much stops. This gets really annoying when this process stopsand locks things up while it adds more cookies several times a minute.

When this happens, I like to sometimes screw with it by clicking on the pop up window to drop it downjus to have it immediately pop up again, *click*, again, *click*, again, *click* againas it persistently continues to pop back up much like the gofers on thaa gofer bashing game, as it struggles to finish loading up all the cookies. Probably prolongs the load up process truth be known.

As most probably know, cookies are cyber tracking devices. Some sites and functions will not work properly unless their cookies are accepted. These cookies track everything from sites that you visit, links that you click onto, key strokes, ads that you investigate, articles that you read, things that you buy online, to the topics and items that you search for online. Cookies are created for ad agencies or data collection agencies. They have catchy names like Adsense, Scorecard, Chart Beat, Double Click, Outbrain, Google Analytics, Appnexus, Scorecard Research Beacon, Omniture, yada yada yada.

Anyway, one of the cookie names stuck in my mind, ScorecardResearch, so I Googled it up to see what it was about. It leads to a data collection company called Full Circle Studies. They describe their business as a third party research company who uses web beacons and cookies to collect information about your use of Ning. From there, I followed the bread crumb links to a company called Ning and their Privacy Policy.

Now ah knowyer probably thinkin where da hell is he goin wit dis shiiii.? Hang onna minutethis is where the conspiracy thang begans ta get interesting.

Ning builds data collecting platforms riiiight? The italicized wording that follows are excerpts from their Privacy Policy. Underline and highlight is my own doing to bring attention to key phrases/words. This is how they explain it:

The Ning Platform enables Users to create, join or browse social networks. The Ning Platform also allows Third Party Application Developers to develop Third Party Applications for use on the Ning Platform. This Privacy Policy refers to social networks created on the Ning Platform as Networks and refers to Users who create Networks as Network Creators. Users who join a Network are Members of that Network. Network Creators are also considered Members of the Networks they create.

Pay particular attention to what it says about Third Party Application Developers. Third Party Developers are entities that can design their own programs for collecting data that are integrated into the Ning platform. There is much emphasis placed on privacy and protecting your personal information, but as I continued to readI began to wonder if this was true at all. Initially it looks like a rather routine use of confidential information

Ning or its third party payment providers use Personal Information related to your billing information solely to administer your services on the Ning Platform and to process your transactions including your purchase of Ning Product Plans, Support Services, and upgrades.

This is where my eyes began to bulgeOO

Network Creators and Third Party Application Developers might use the Ning Platform to collect, use, and retain all information, including Personal Information and Network Data, that is disclosed and uploaded by Members in connection with their use of Networks. Network Data means all data collected.

I highlighted might because you might as well replace the word with will. In essence, anyone who buys creative space to build a social network, or a Third Party who places a data gathering application on the Ning Platform is entitled to any and all data that Ning collects on this platform. Now, your personal/confidential information is being shared with other Networks, Network Creators and other Third Parties who subscribe to this platform without your express permission or your opt-out notification.

When a User signs up to become a member of a Network, he or she is providing Personal Information to that Networks Network Creator and such Network Creator and its designated administrators will have access to all Personal Information and Network Data. Network Creators and Third Party Application Developers might also collect additional types of Personal Information.

So an individual or company X starts a social network site on the Ning platform. That company AND any Third Party Application Developer may also collect additional types of Personal Information. Now here is a gotcha clause

you should check with the Third Party Application Developer regarding its policies governing its collection, use and disclosure of Personal Information.

Most people are totally unaware that they are sharing their personal and non personal information/data with other entities beyond the Social Network which they joined. How can a person check with a Third Party about their disclosure policies if no one knows they are operating in the background, out of sight?

This is what is said about Passive Data Collection. Passive data refers to non-personal un-confidential information like key strokes, links to sites etc.

"Ning automatically receives and records information on our server logs from your browser when you use the Ning Platform. We may use a variety of methods, including clear GIFs (also known as web beacons), and cookies to collect this information.

A variety of methods is deliberately vague and not limited to the examples provided. This wording creates concerns and questions for me. Againany time you read mayinsert will. May wouldnt be used unless they plan on using whatever method/app they want that best serves their need to gather information data. May easily translates to WILL in legalieeze and becomes an open ended blank check.

We also include clear GIFs in some of our email messages in order to learn whether the messages are delivered and opened.

yes, this means they can monitor (without your knowledge), whether or not you open or delete unopenedmaterial that they send to you.

Ning uses information collected by passive means in aggregated or other non-personally identifiable forms We use passively-collected information to administer, operate, and improve the Ning Platform and our other services and systems, and to provide services and information that are tailored to you.

Essentially, following you and all other users around to passively gather information , data that will be further mined and refined to profile and create better audience demographics, target buyers and better refine their already sophisticated marketing techniques. They will use your data to better target YOUthe user/consumer.

As an obscure caveat they include:

please be aware that other third parties, including advertising servers, advertising networks, web analytic services (such as Google Analytics) or Third Party Application Developers may set cookies or use other means of passively collecting information about your use of their services on the Ning Platform

Anyone who chooses to buy into and use this platform is entitled to receive this passive data, in addition to whatever specific data they may be gathering for themselves.

End of Part One of Three Parts...are ya too bored?


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Time Lord
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link   seeder  Time Lord    13 years ago

Too deep...too long...too boring...too complex???

should ah go on...?

 
 
 
Nigel Dogberry
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link   Nigel Dogberry    13 years ago

Ghostery blocks those cookies from being deposited on your computer.

All web sites do this.

 
 
 
Time Lord
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link   seeder  Time Lord    13 years ago

ok grump...you COULDN'T have read the whole thing by now...

Yes yer right, you CAN block cookies with ghostery...BUTT...if you block certain ones or too many cookies, the site/page won't load up at ALL. So it becomes a trade off...do you want to interface with the site or not? If you DO...then you have to allow the cookies that allow the site to operate properly. That includes THIS site.

 
 
 
Nigel Dogberry
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link   Nigel Dogberry    13 years ago

Yes, dad, (insert eye roll here) I read the whole thing. I was here one minute after you posted it.

I have standard Ghostery as an add on to Firefox's latest. I haven't had any trouble down loading anything, ever. If you do have trouble, you can change the settings.

What you are writing about is simply a fact of life on the internet and that's the way it goes and you might as well get over it. Given the number of clicks on links that happen world wide on the internet in a given day, I am going to assume that my few clicks a day are freaking meaningless clicks among the billion or so clicks on links that are out there today. No company, no matter how cookie happy they are is going to be able to sort that amount of data out into anything personal about you or me. It's all smoke and mirrors and magic and marketing. I see that Ghostery blocked 8 on this page alone. Each one of those companies is marketing data to someone somewhere. They are doing their best to "track" people on the internet so they can make a few bucks off of the data. Is that data worth anything, really? It's meaningless, for the most part, and only is meaningful to the people who are trying to sell it. Consider them used car salesmen - they will tell the customer the piece of poop is worth something when it isn't.

 
 
 
Time Lord
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link   seeder  Time Lord    13 years ago

"Yes, dad..."

...chuckles...

"I see that Ghostery blocked 8 on this page alone."

thas 8 out of how many cookies on this page...? I counted 27. Some cookies are required for the page to operate properly. Most anti-virus programs delete the tracking cookies when it scans, but your activities while you are on site are logged.

Hold yer judgement until you've finished part three my friend. Ah'll put up part two today.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    13 years ago

First, as always fulldisclosureto all members, as far as I understand it. If there are any questions that I can't answer, I will be glad to inquire. this is pretty standard for all platforms. It was true when we were on grouply and it is true on the vine. Ning doesn't have an ad service as of yet, so they are not using cookies for anything else right now. The ad service that I use is adbrite. It does track cookies, but that is true of all ad agencies. Google is probably gathering the most information on members habits. They send out googlebots hundreds of times a day, and do this all over the internet.

BTW this is no different than what NV does.

 
 
 
Time Lord
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link   seeder  Time Lord    13 years ago
Miss Perrie...Jus fer the record...ah wasn't trying to disparage this site or any other social gathering place in any way.By the by...ah HAVE seen 'ning' pop up here. Adbrite may very well be using the "Ning" platform...???
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    13 years ago

Miss Perrie...Jus fer the record...ah wasn't trying to disparage this site or any other social gathering place in any way.

Oh, I know my lord. But since it was about the site, I felt it was only right to address your concerns.

By the by...ah HAVE seen 'ning' pop up here. Adbrite may very well be using the "Ning" platform...???

No. Adbrite has it's own tracking cookies. The reason that Ning has that in their user agreement is that they are in the process of trying to put together their own ad service for their thousands of sites. This wouldyieldthem a lot of money. It would also help a lot of people(myself included) who were screwed by google's adsense, which pays out the most, but also drops smaller sites without paying them a dime, for one of a million reasons and they don't tell you why.

 
 
 
Time Lord
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link   seeder  Time Lord    13 years ago

There are two ways I can see what is loading up. In my upper right hand corner, Ghostery throws up all those advertisers who are loading up their cookies. Then in the lower left hand corner over my "Start" button...it shows what 'tasks' the computer is preforming as it buzzes along getting connected to where ever it's going. It's here that I can see who and what it's connecting with. Ning does show, along with google analytics and Adbrite as you mention...seems like there are others as well. They are jus flashes on the screen, so it takes some concentration to catch them as they load.

Miss Perrie...

Yes, you are right. The picture I'm seeing is...kinda like this.

Envision a car. The car is "Ning". Within the car are jus TONS of information. While a car is designed to provide transport...Ning is a "platform", a 'foundation' if you will, that is specificly designed to collect and mine ALL data. Now someone like Adbrite comes along and purchases a Ning platform, or they buy into an existing Ning platform and set up shop and install their OWN tracking cookies....but wait...Ah'm giving away the best part of this story. Finish reading then less talk again to share perceptions.

 
 

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