"Islam is Peace" Says President

I agree.

The countless victims of Islamic terror and oppression may disagree.

Along with his attempt to pass comprehensive immigration reform, this was just about the only thing I admired him for.

Knowing what we know now and learning more about the lack of freedom in muslim governed countries he would probably pay his speech writer to write a different speech today. The more we learn about the Quran the more we see it isn't really a religion of peace. The Quran teaches them to hate infidels and everyone that isn't a muslim is an infidel. 

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The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193)  -  "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah  [disbelief or unrest]  is worse than killing... 

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah  [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah]  and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"   (Translation is from the  Noble Quran )  The verse prior to this (190) refers to  "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you"  leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The  historical context  of this passage is  not  defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were  not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge  offensive  warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they  later did ).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The word used instead, "fitna",  can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned  "until religion is for Allah"  - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244)  -  "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216)  -  " Fighting is prescribed for you , and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."   Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into  raiding merchant caravans  for loot.

Quran (3:56)  -  "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151)  -  "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".   This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74)  -  "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."   The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76)  -  "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89)  -  "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95)  -  "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "   This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly  not  referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

Quran (4:104)  -  "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."   Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33)  -  "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12)  -  "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"   No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15)  -  "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39)  -  "And fight with them until there is no more fitna  (disorder, unbelief)  and religion should be only for Allah"   Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until  "religion is only for Allah" , meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that  "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57)  -  "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."    

Quran (8:67)  -  "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land... "

Quran (8:59-60)  -  "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65)  -  "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5)  -  "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."   According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer ( salat ) and the poor tax ( zakat ) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca  after  the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

Quran (9:14)  -  "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (9:20)  -  "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."   The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29)  -  "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."   "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  Verse  9:33  tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam  "superior over all religions."  This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. 

Quran (9:30)  -  "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" 

Quran (9:38-39)  -  "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."   This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41)  -  "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."   See also the verse that follows ( 9:42 ) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"   This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians). 

Quran (9:73)  -  "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."   Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88)  -  "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." 

Quran (9:111)  -  "Allah hath purchased of the  believers  their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they  fight in His cause, and slay and are slain : a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."   How does the Quran define a true believer?

Quran (9:123)  -  "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16)  -  "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."   Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).  

Quran (18:65-81)  - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

Quran (21:44)  -  "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?" 

Quran (25:52)  -  "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."    "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62)  -  "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."    This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" ( 3:167 ) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians  5:51-52 ), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4)  -  "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."   Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test. 

Quran (47:35)  -  "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost  (Shakir: "have the upper hand")  for Allah is with you,"     

Quran (48:17)  -  "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."   Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

Quran (48:29)  -  "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"   Islam is  not  about treating everyone equally.  This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including  65:10 ,  40:46  and  50:26 ..

Quran (61:4)  -  "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"   Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by ( 61:9 ):  "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it  victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist ."   (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

Quran (61:10-12)  -  "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."   This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Quran (66:9)  -  "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."   The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

It's amazing that there is only violence in the Quran and none in the bible. it's equally amazing that Christians never committed any mass murders, tortures and unspeakable atrocities spreading/forcing their faith around the world either. /s

All three of the major religions have their hands and clothes soaked in the blood of innocents. None are better then the others.

I'm not a bible thumper. It's fiction in my eyes. 

I agree completely. As is the Quran. Both are human written fairy tales and horror.

The Bible isn't used as a manual to justify secular conquest in the modern world. The Koran is trash. It is worse than mein kampf.

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”

 - Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922.

Hitler was not religious in any sense other than it served his purposes. 

"n the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together. [On a question from C. S., whether this antagonism might mean a war, the Fuehrer continued:] No, it does not mean a war. The ideal solution would be to leave the religions to devour themselves, without persecutions. But in that case we must not replace the Church by something equivalent. That would be terrifying! It goes without saying that the whole thing needs a lot of thought. Everything will occur in due time. . . . The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries.

"The  Mohammedan religion  too would have been more compatible to us than  Christianity . Why did it have to be  Christianity  with its meekness and flabbiness?"  Speer, Albert (1997).  Inside the Third Reich . New York

A politician that talks out of both sides of his mouth ... how rare.  This is just another example of how Hitch was right - religion poisons everything.

There's too much evil in the bible to paste here, so I'll just provide a link:

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The difference is in the bible the evil is shown to be bad where as in the Quran the evil is seen as good. 

Lol, either you haven't read it, or you have a seriously warped sense of "good".  Drowning the earth, offering up your daughters for rape, commanding a father to kill his newborn baby just to see if he'll do it - this is not "good", and it's just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course Islam is peace. The Islamists prove that to us every day.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith.

Actually they don't . The Quran has some verses more important than others .

It's a book of horrors.

Islam is not peace. The Koran advocates violent conquest. Islamic governments are all violent and oppressive. The Me is constantly at war. What bullshit. He's putting PC crap ahead of human life. He's an idiot.

Did any of you vote for "W" twice?

Did any of you vote for "W" twice even after he made these remarks?

Can you say "hypocrites" boys and girls.

It reminds of the old saying how do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving. 

I voted for him twice. He ran on more than one plank.

I think one issue voting is a liberal thing. I heard Obama tell everyone to become one issue voters on gun control. 

Here's a complicated thought; individuals who are violent and evil are not the same as individuals who are not.

Tricky, huh?

Now, those who can grasp that premise … let's move to the next, even more complicated thought.

EXAMPLE THOUGHT …

• Violent atheists are violent … non-violent atheists are not.

Got that?

OK; now, play along by filling in the blanks.

• Violent JEWS are violent … non-violent _______________ are not.

• Violent PRESBYTERIANS are violent … non-violent ________________________ are not.

• Violent HETEROSEXUAL DWARFS are violent … non-violent ________________________________ are not.

* Violent VIOLENT INDIVIDUALS are violent … non-violent ___________________________ are not.

HA! Tricked ya' there didn't I? (Note the asterisk)

Continuing …

I have every confidence some of you can continue the list on your own …

Well, not every confidence.

It's easy to take Reality and make all of its jagged edges fit into neat little labeled boxes … and it beats the livin' shit out of understanding and dealing with it … and especially that tortuous activity known as "thinking".

So most Nazis were warm and cuddly? Your inability to recognize that the ideology itself espouses violence renders your soundbites illogical.

So most Nazis were warm and cuddly? Your inability to recognize that the ideology itself espouses violence renders your soundbites illogical.

Think before you make declarations!

A "NAZI" by definition is a violent, ethnic-cleansing piece-of-shit.

If you had thought your condescending, foolish statement through before you posted it, you'd have (possibly) realized that ALL GERMANS WERE NOT NAZIS … JUST LIKE ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS! 

It's the sloppy, one-size-fits-all stupidity that just drives me crazy!

FYI: The way you stereotype all MUSLIMS, is the way the NAZIS stereotyped all Jews and their other targets -- 

Antisemitic  propaganda was a common theme in Nazi propaganda, although it was occasionally reduced for  tactical  reasons, such as for the  1936 Olympic Games . It was a recurring topic in Hitler's book  Mein Kampf , published in the 1920s, and was thus a natural component of nazi ideology.

Early in his membership in the Nazi Party, Hitler presented the Jews as behind all of Germany's moral and economic problems, as featuring in both Bolshevism and international capitalism. ^[1]  He blamed "money-grubbing Jews" for all of Weimar Germany's economic problems. ^[2]  He also drew upon the antisemitic elements of the  stab-in-the-back legend  to explain the defeat in World War I and to justify their views as self-defense. ^[3]  In one speech, when Hitler asked who was behind Germany's failed war efforts, the audience erupted with "The Jews." ^[1]

Religions of violence …

Truth is a bitch!

You mean a liar?

Dear Friends,

I am sorry that I have not been consistently responsive lately to your emails. I have been somewhat under the weather since my doctors informed me that I have an acute case of Post Islamic Stress Trauma with Apologetic White-house Fatigue (PIST-AWF). For those of you who do not know what that is, PIST-AWF is a newly defined disease that is found to be widespread and highly contagious.

Symptoms include, but may not be limited to:

- Severe pain of the scalp from pulling your own hair while viewing the President pander to Muslim terrorists.

- Loose bowels from swallowing the fact we elected Obama twice.

- Extreme hunger due to vomiting from nightly seeing Muslim terrorists murdering innocent people.

If you feel you have Post Islamic Stress Trauma with Apologetic White-house Fatigue, please notify your local election board and place your name on the list for a cure. It is expected, and sincerely hoped, that the cure will be available in November of 2016.

And I stupidly thought it was due to aging!