╌>

Aircraft carriers, championed by Trump, are vulnerable to attack

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  kavika  •  7 years ago  •  31 comments

Aircraft carriers, championed by Trump, are vulnerable to attack

Special Report : Aircraft carriers, championed by Trump, are vulnerable to attack


 

 


By Scot Paltrow | WASHINGTON

WASHINGTON Last week, President Donald J. Trump chose the deck of the newest U.S. aircraft carrier, the $13 billion USS Gerald R. Ford, for a speech extolling his planned boost in military spending.

Trump vowed that the newest generation of “Ford Class” carriers - the most expensive warships ever built - will remain the centerpiece of projecting American power abroad.

“We're going to soon have more coming,” Trump told an enthusiastic audience of sailors, declaring the new carriers so big and solidly built that they were immune to attack.

Trump vowed to expand the number of carriers the United States fields from 10 to 12. And he promised to bring down the cost of building three “super-carriers,” which has ballooned by a third over the last decade from $27 to $36 billion.

The Gerald R. Ford alone is $2.5 billion over budget and three years behind schedule, military officials say. The second Ford-class carrier, the John F. Kennedy, is running five years late.

Trump's expansion plans come as evidence mounts that potential enemies have built new anti-ship weapons able to destroy much of the United States’ expensive fleet of carriers. And as they have been for decades, carriers remain vulnerable to submarines.

In a combat exercise off the coast of Florida in 2015, a small French nuclear submarine, the Saphir, snuck through multiple rings of defenses and “sank” the U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and half of its escort ships. In other naval exercises, even old-fashioned diesel-electric submarines have beaten carriers.

All told, since the early 1980s, U.S. and British carriers have been sunk at least 14 times in so-called “free play” war games meant to simulate real battle, according to think tanks, foreign navies and press accounts. The exact total is unknown because the Navy classifies exercise reports.

Today, the United States is the only country to base its naval strategy on aircraft carriers. The U.S. fleet of 10 active carriers is 10 times as big as those deployed by its primary military rivals, Russia and China, who field one active carrier each.

Roger Thompson, a defense analyst and professor at Kyung Hee University in South Korea, says the array of powerful anti-ship weapons developed in recent years by potential U.S. enemies, including China, Russia and Iran, increase carriers’ vulnerability.

The new weapons include land-based ballistic missiles, such as China’s Dong Feng-21 anti-ship missile, which has a claimed range of 1,100 miles (1,770 kilometers) and moves at 10 times the speed of sound. Certain Russian and Chinese submarines can fire salvoes of precision-guided cruise missiles from afar, potentially overwhelming carrier-fleet anti-missile defense.

Russia, China, Iran and other countries also have so-called super-cavitating torpedoes. These form an air bubble in front of them, enabling them to travel at hundreds of miles per hour. The torpedoes cannot be guided, but if aimed straight at a ship they are difficult to avoid.

A 2015 Rand Corporation report, “Chinese Threats to U.S. Surface Ships,” found that if hostilities broke out, “the risks to U.S. carriers are substantial and rising.”

“Beyond a shadow of a doubt, a carrier is just a target,” says defense analyst Pierre Sprey, who worked for the U.S. Secretary of Defense’s office from 1966 to 1986 and is a longtime critic of U.S. weapons procurement.

 

DEFENDING CARRIERS

Navy leaders stand by the carrier. In an interview late last year, Admiral Scott Swift, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, lauded carriers’ versatility. Swift says they remain “very viable,” sufficiently impregnable to be sent into the thick of combat zones.

Swift said he would order carriers into close battle “in a heartbeat.” Nevertheless, citing the new anti-ship weapons, Swift says the carrier “is not as viable as it was 15 years ago.”


Trump has said he will make good on his campaign promise to increase the Navy's fleet to 350 ships. The Navy currently has 277 deployable ships. The cost of a single new, Ford-class carrier – $10.5 billion without cost overruns – would consume nearly 20 percent of Trump’s proposed $54 billion increase in next year's defense budget.

Some critics, including former senior Defense Department personnel, say Washington has put too much of the country’s defense budget into a handful of expensive, vulnerable carriers.

At a naval symposium in 2010, then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates called into question making such big investments in a few increasingly sinkable ships. Gates said “a Ford-class carrier plus its full complement of the latest aircraft would represent potentially $15 billion to $20 billion worth of hardware at risk.

The Navy, with the backing of Congress, went ahead nevertheless. The program has strong Congressional backing. In the 1990s, when defense spending was cut after the end of the Cold War, Congress enacted a law requiring the Navy to maintain an 11-carrier fleet.

Congress has given the Navy a temporary exemption to have 10 active carriers while one is overhauled. When the Ford is commissioned, it will bring the U.S. carrier fleet to 11.

Trump did not specify in his speech how he would bring the carrier fleet to 12. But he said the Ford-class carriers would be invulnerable to attack because they represent the best in American know-how.

“There is no competition to this ship,” declared Trump, who called the Gerald R. Ford American craftsmanship “at its biggest, at its best, at its finest.”

 

FAILING SYSTEMS

Trump did not mention that the ship’s builder, Huntington Ingalls Industries, launched the Ford more than three years ago, but the Navy has yet to commission it and put it into service because of severe flaws. Many of its new high tech systems failed to work, including such basic ones as the “arresting gear” that catches and stops landing jets.

The Navy says the ship will be commissioned sometime this year. But the criticism has continued.

In a written statement in July, John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, noted the cost overruns and cited a list of crucial malfunctioning systems that remained unfixed. “The Ford-class program is a case study in why our acquisition system must be reformed,” McCain wrote.

Ray Mabus, who in January stepped down as secretary of the Navy, said in an interview that the Gerald R. Ford “is a poster child for how not to build a ship.” He added: “Everything that could have been done wrong was done wrong.”

Mabus said that because of commitments made before he became Navy secretary, the Ford was loaded with high-tech equipment that had not even been designed yet. He also faulted awarding the shipbuilder a “cost plus” contract, under which it gets a fixed profit regardless of how much it costs to build the vessel. “There was no incentive to hold down costs,” Mabus said.

Others criticize carriers as strategically flawed. Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain and Defense Department official, is now director of the Defense Strategies and Assessments Program at the Center for a New American Security. Carriers, he said in an email exchange, give Washington’s rivals a cheap opportunity to score big. For the cost of a single carrier, he calculates, a rival can deploy 1,227 anti-carrier missiles.

“The enemy can build a lot more missiles than we can carriers for equivalent investments,” Hendrix said, “and hence overwhelm our defensive capabilities.”

The most commonly proposed alternative to carriers is building a much larger number of smaller, nimbler vessels, including submarines and surface ships. Submarines don’t require escorts and can hit distant targets on land. And carriers have not been tested in battle against an enemy able to fight back since World War II – more than 70 years ago.

The Navy and some outside defense experts say that despite increased threats, carriers remain fully viable and perform an essential service. They laud carriers’ mobility and swiftness, enabling the United States to project air power to places otherwise unreachable.

Carrier proponent Bryan McGrath, the deputy director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for American Seapower in Washington, said carriers are less vulnerable than stationary, land-based air bases.

“A carrier is a big floating airport, and not only a floating airport, but it moves at 40 knots,” says McGrath, a former captain of a guided missile destroyer. “How much more vulnerable are airfields on land that don’t move?”

But Sprey, the former Defense Department official and longtime Pentagon procurement critic, says carriers waste funds that could be used to build more cost-effective weapons systems.

“Every Ford-class carrier we build detracts from U.S. defense,” Sprey said.

 

LIMITED PROTECTION

Both strong supporters of carriers as well as opponents agreed that there is a serious flaw in the current configuration of U.S. carriers: their complement of strike aircraft. Almost all are short-range jets, the F-18 Hornet, whose range could render the planes useless in some conflicts.

The Chinese, in particular, have established sea zones bristling with anti-ship weapons meant to make it impossible for enemy flotillas to enter.

Top U.S Navy commanders, including Pacific commander Swift and Vice Admiral Mike Shoemaker, the Navy “Air Boss” in charge of carriers, say carriers could safely enter such zones long enough to carry out a mission. But many outside analysts say a U.S. president would be hesitant to risk such an expensive ship and the lives of up to 5,500 crew members.

In order to be relatively safe, a carrier would have to stand off by 1,300 nautical miles, or 2,300 kilometers – out of range of the Dong Feng missiles. And the F-18s have a range of only 400 nautical miles (equal to 460 statute miles or 740 kilometers) to a target with enough fuel to return.

Experts on both sides of the debate say that if the carriers have to stand off, the Hornets would have to be refueled in midair an impractical number of times while flying to and from their targets. It thus would be all but impossible for carriers to send air power into war zones.

The F-18s are to be replaced by 2020 with new F-35C Lightning IIs, but these have only a marginally better range of 650 nautical miles.

The Hudson Institute’s McGrath, who champions carriers, says the short-range jets impair the mission.

“What they (the Navy) haven’t done yet is to design and fund a strike aircraft that can fly 1,000 miles, drop its bombs and come home,” McGrath said.

The cost of carriers in terms of strategy and money is multiplied because carriers do not travel alone. For protection, they move with large escorts, making every “carrier strike group” a virtual armada.

Each carrier usually has an escort of at least five warships, a mixture of destroyers and cruisers, at least one submarine and a combined ammunition-supply ship and helicopters designed to detect subs. When close enough to shore, carriers are also protected by new, land-based P-8 Poseidon jets, designed to detect and destroy subs.

 

OLD THREATS

For carrier commanders, the most feared weapon is a 150-year-old one. A single, submarine-launched torpedo could send a carrier to the bottom.

Most modern torpedoes aren’t targeted to hit ships. Instead they are programmed to explode underneath. This creates an air bubble that lifts the ship into the air and drops it, breaking the hull.

For decades, critics have faulted the Navy for failing to develop effective defenses against modern torpedoes. A 2016 report by the Pentagon’s Office of Operational Test and Evaluation said the Navy has recently made significant progress, but the systems still have crucial deficiencies.

Experts also say that carriers are at risk from updated versions of one of the oldest naval vessels still in use: the diesel-electric submarine. These were the subs used in both World Wars.

Diesel-electric subs have the advantage of being small – and while on electric power, silent, and in general quieter and harder to detect than nuclear subs.

Diesel-electric subs are also far cheaper to build than nuclear ones. Allies and rivals have been building large numbers of them. Worldwide, more than 230 diesel-electric subs are in use. China has 83 in use, while Russia has 19.

Hendrix, the former Defense Department official, says the carriers' vulnerabilities make the fleet a profligate use of money, vessels and aircraft.

“We have paid billions of dollars to build ships that are largely defensive in their orientation, thus taking away from the offensive power of the fleet,” Hendrix says. “In the end, we spend a lot of money on defense to send 44 strike aircraft off the front end of a carrier.”

 

(Editing by David Rohde. Reporting by Scot Paltrow.)


Tags

jrDiscussion - desc
[]
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika     7 years ago

Many similar arguments were used prior to and during WWII between the aircraft carrier as the newest weapon and the battleship, an older weapon.

 

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Wasn't that Billy Mitchell, who defended the use of aircraft carriers?  I got to meet him, once.  He was a very nice fellow...

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
link   TTGA  replied to  Dowser   7 years ago

One of the methods used by General Mitchell to push forward the acquisition of carriers was bombing old and captured battleships to show that they were vulnerable to air attack.  What he did not publicize, of course, was that whatever could happen to a battleship could also happen to a carrier.  Not just carriers but ALL vessels are vulnerable to attack and always have been.  What the particular vulnerability is varies depending on the type of warship and the resources of the enemy but, if it's made of steel, it can be sunk if a sufficient amount of high explosive is delivered.

The President was probably, in his somewhat clumsy and imprecise manner of speaking, trying to say that the benefit justifies the risk.  In that, he would be correct, at least for now.  His greatest failing is that he makes statements that are not precise enough, thus giving those who wish to do hitjobs on him the ammunition to do so.

Obviously, no one, particularly the Admirals in charge of procurement, have thought about the fact that, rather than thinking about carriers (and most other surface ships) as vulnerable to attack but worth the risk; they should be thinking of them as valuable but obsolete.  Navies generally became obsolete the moment that weaponized satellites became possible.  A system of such satellites in polar orbit can, without the use of a single nuclear weapon, make any military movement on land or sea, virtually impossible.  They can do this by dropping heavy missile shaped guided objects from high orbit on any precisely chosen section of the world.  Accuracy within 50 yards is possible with the computer guidance systems we have now.  Think of them as super drones.  If deployed, they would make heavy surface forces unnecessary, which is why the procurement Admirals don't want to think about them.  Who would want to think positively about a system that would eliminate their job?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  TTGA   7 years ago

While he is being imprecise, he wants to spend millions more on ships that will be obsolete before there launched, Ttga.

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

NOT a good plan...

OK, I'm all for re-evaluating.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
link   TTGA  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

he wants to spend millions more on ships that will be obsolete before there launched

They've been obsolete since the early 1980's.  That doesn't seem to have bothered either the Presidents or the military establishment much.  Why should he be any different from every President since Reagan?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

My dad who was always stationed on a carrier (he was part of the flight crew), always stated that our current carriers are very vulnerable to attack. Beyond the fact that an attack takes down billions of dollars of ship, it also takes down billions of dollars in planes that are under deck. 

We could lose 100's of billions of dollars in one hit. 

Talk about being penny wise and dollar foolish. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   7 years ago

It sure seems that way Perrie. With the new weapons available, the carriers could become less and less valuable to us. At the cost of both money and men it would seem that rethinking this investment would be the smartest thing to do.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   seeder  Kavika     7 years ago

''What do I know?  I  just read books...''

LOL

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

I truly love coming into an article and seeing all the comments from armchair generals, or in this case, armchair admirals.  Am I an expert in this field?  Well, since I have served on both Submarines, and Carriers, I'm probably a bit more knowledgeable than the other admirals in here.  So let me give you my take.  Take it or leave it, I don't care.

The Ford class carrier will be a modern marvel, when all of it's advanced technology is fixed and works as designed.  Magnetic catapults that replace steam, advanced early warning systems, extended range aircraft, and updated defensive weapons WILL make it a truly exceptional warship.

Immune to attack?  That's misspoken.  There is not a single ship on the ocean today that is immune to attack.  What the carrier does have is defenses to just about every form of attack.  Anti-Submarine aircraft and Helos, Anti ship missiles, Anti-Missile defenses, Anti-torpedo defenses.  The designers haven't ignored the threats.  But designing a defense doesn't mean it will work every time.  The author is correct.  Every time we played with the big boys when I was on Lapon, we scored hits.  Every Time.  But, it wasn't easy.  Those Anti-Submarine helo boys were pretty sharp.

Carriers travel in Battlegroups.  These consist of Carriers, Cruisers, Fast Frigates, Destroyers, Tankers and Oilers, sometimes amphibious vessels with Marine MEUs aboard, and submarines.  Every ship has a job.  Cruisers provide extended protection against air threats, including missiles.  Submarines and Destroyers are primarily anti-submarine.  Fast Frigates are close in protection.  Why do they call them Fast Frigates?  Because they're fucking fast.  They are designed to throw enough chaff in the air to make them look like a carrier to missile radars.  And they use blown air in the water to make them noisy to attract torpedoes using sonar.  They are fast enough to run circles around a carrier, and they are designed to take whatever is being shot at the carrier, even though it means sacrificing itself.  Their sole purpose in life is to die a glorious death to defend the carrier.

The article is also correct in that we are the only nation with these huge carriers, and this many carriers.  With the exception of this month, Carriers are deployed to the Med, Persian Gulf, Western Pacific, South Atlantic, and North Atlantic for pretty much all time.  It is not a joke that any time a crisis arises anywhere in the world, the first question asked is "Where is the nearest Carrier Task Force".  And 95% of the time, one is right around the corner.

There is no ship, task force, strike group, army, division, or any other military force in this world that is immune to attack.  I had to laugh at the part of the article that discussed diesel submarines.  I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt there is NO diesel submarine in ANY navy that we cannot find, detect, track, and sink.

And these cavitation torpedoes?  HA!  OOOhhhh they are scary!  NOT!  They are noisy, and the cavitation bubble in front of them means their sonar is degraded.  Yeah, they're fast.  100+ knots.  Which means they need 3 or four miles to make a turn.  They are the easiest torpedoes to defeat.  I'm more concerned with the APR-3e, or Type 53 Russian torpedoes.

Costs?  Eh, defense spending is always going to cost.  Especially when you're trying to rebuild a defense force that was gutted by budget cuts the last 8 years.  Half of our Airforce, Marine, and Navy planes are grounded due to unavailability of funds to keep them flying.  Just today it was reported that the 101st Airborne is NOT deployable, because they've been crippled by budget cuts.  We're trying to play catchup now with new and expensive technology on a shoestring budget that hasn't grown in 12 years. 

Do we need these new carriers?  We have 11.  We're supposed to have 12.  It takes a carrier about 14 months to work up for a 7-8 month deployment.  Which means about a 2 year cycle for each.  That means that 6 carriers can usually be deployed on a good day.  But it's really only 5 or 4, since 1 or 2 are always in an extended upkeep or overhaul at any time.

So if you want to bitch about the cost of maintaining a carrier fleet, ask yourself:  can you live with the fact that we may not have the asset in place the next time the shit hits the fan somewhere in the world? 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce  replied to  Uncle Bruce   7 years ago

Oh, and just to give you a little trivia:  Our Mk-48 ADCAP torpedo is one of the most deadly torpedoes in service.  But, it would take 5 of them to sink a Nimitz class carrier.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Uncle Bruce   7 years ago

Bruce,

I have zero problem with rebuilding our fleet. Just rebuild it wisely. Don't have dad handy here, but we discussed this, and yes we do need another carrier, since we no longer have long range planes (i.e. F14's), and they need to be everywhere, and yes every ship can be hit. But the Ford class has had some serious development problems that is costing a ton. Read here:

Maybe building a more established carrier would be the way to go?

But while I got ya here...

How do you feel about dismantling the Coast Guard or cutting its budget which is rather small?

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce    7 years ago

The proposal for cuts to the Coast Guard, (1.9B) are only in draft form at the OMB.  They are not yet part of Trumps final budget proposal.  I disagree that it will cripple the service as many have been screaming, but I don't think a cut of that size will make it to the final budget.  The Coast Guard is part of his plan to fight illegal immigration.

AS for the Ford, Yeah, I've read all about those problems.  That's why I said once the issues have been fixed, it will be a modern marvel.  Personally, they should scrap these innovations on future ships unless and until they can be fixed.

Trust me, it wouldn't be the first time the Navy has had experimental technology built into one ship, and completely changed course on future ships.  Tullibee, Narwhal, Glenard P Lipscomb, Triton were all single ship class subs.  The Seawolf is only a 3 ship class.  Hell even the Enterprise was a single ship class Nuclear Carrier.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    7 years ago

I disagree that it will cripple the service as many have been screaming, but I don't think a cut of that size will make it to the final budget.  The Coast Guard is part of his plan to fight illegal immigration.

You seem to forget that the Coast Guard not only stops illegal immigration, but is the first line of defence in drug interception. And when you are talking about a cut of 1.9B compared to the cost of the parts of the armed forces, that amount becomes nothing, but the services they provide are invaluable. 

That's why I said once the issues have been fixed, it will be a modern marvel.  Personally, they should scrap these innovations on future ships unless and until they can be fixed.

Well that is a sensible approach. Still, I have my concerns on the cost of development v.s. the benefit against other enemies carriers and warships. Here we are not talking about  1.6 billion but 36 billion and counting.

 

 
 

Who is online







Nerm_L


64 visitors