Disagreeing With Democrats Is Now Considered Un-American

xxjefferson51
By:  @xxjefferson51, one month ago
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Patriotism: Democrats have become so fond of attacking Republicans and their policies as "un-American" that we wouldn't be surprised if they call for a congressional committee to investigate them. It wouldn't be the first time Democrats have done so.

Although wrongly attached to Republican Sen. Joe McCarthy, the House Committee on Un-American Activities (also known as HUAC) was entirely a Democratic creation.


The committee got its start in 1938, when Democrats outnumbered Republicans in the House by a margin of 334 to 88. And over the course of HUAC's entire 37-year existence, Republicans controlled the House — and chaired the committee — for all of four years. Whatever sins HUAC allegedly committed were done so almost entirely under the committee's Democratic leadership.

Of course, "un-American" for the purposes of that committee's investigations meant actually doing things in service of the nation's enemies, whether it was the Nazis in World War II or the Soviet Union during the Cold War.


These days, however, all that's required to be called un-American by a Democrat is to disagree with their liberal world view.

Sen. Charles Schumer can barely get through an interview without calling one Trump policy or another un-American. When he heard that the administration was considering using 100,000 National Guard troops to round up illegal immigrants, he called it "one of the most un-American things that would happen in the last century." (It turns out that such a plan was never under consideration.)

When Trump signed an executive order suspending visa applications from terror-prone countries, Schumer called it un-American. When Trump revised that order, Schumer said "it is still un-American."

League of Women Voters declared that the House Republicans' ObamaCare replacement plan — which retains most of ObamaCare's rules and regulations — "is un-American."

The New York Times ran a piece suggesting that talk of a "deep state" that is trying to undermine the Trump administration was un-American.

Last fall, the Huffington Post ran a piece arguing that the entire Republican platform "is well, downright un-American."

At the Academy Awards, Casey Affleck used his acceptance speech to say that "the policies of this administration are abhorrent and … they're really un-American."

Even abiding by the law these days is un-American, apparently.

The ACLU charged that Trump's plan to enforce an existing immigration law — one written by congressional Democrats and signed by a Democratic president — is an "un-American dream."

Bloomberg called Trump's revised executive order on visas un-American, "even if it withstands judicial scrutiny."

When Newt Gingrich suggested last summer that Congress revive the Un-America Activities Committee to target genuine domestic enemies of the U.S. — in this case radical Islamic extremists — the left freaked, and declared that this, too, was un-America.

Criticizing the press has also become un-American — if you happen to be in the Trump administration, that is.

CNN's Jake Tapper lobbed the charge against the entire White House staff recently, saying "this White House does not seem to value an independent press. There is a word for that line of thinking. The word is un-American."

NBC's Chuck Todd said, in response to Trump's criticism of a biased news media, that "delegitimizing the press is un-American."

Trump and company have, unfortunately, joined this game as well. Trump tweeted that leaking intelligence information to the press was "very un-American." White House aide Sebastian Gorka called objections to a Trump plan to highlight crimes committed by illegals "un-American."

So let's back to basics. Accusing someone of being un-American simply because you disagree with their views on an issue destroys the true meaning of the term "un-American." And that, we'd dare to say, is not the American way. http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/disagreeing-with-democrats-is-now-considered-un-american/
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XXJefferson#51
link 03/14/17 01:51:15PM @xxjefferson51:

Democrats and progressives think it un American to disagree with them and their extremist world view. Patriotic real Americans must stand up to their bullying.  

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 02:44:12PM @gunny:

That is so evident here on NT.  mention one thing conservative and the liberals attack enforce.

XX your next for them to try and get banned.

 

 

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Dowser
link 03/14/17 02:59:22PM @dowser:

Gunny, you have hurled this accusation at me, personally, before.  And yet, XX is still here.

Fact: no one member can get another one banned.  It doesn't work that way.  The only banning from the site occurs with a history of bad behavior, after several suspensions, and is up to Perrie, not any one of us, or even a group of us.

No one wants to ban XX.  Even me, when I'm personally ticked that he continually accuses me of lying.  I do not lie on this site.  Basically, I'm not smart enough to keep up with a bunch of lies.  I have proven XX's accusations to be wrong, and will continue to do so.  But, I do not want him banned for his accusations.  Got it?  Nor does anyone else that I know of.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 03:10:21PM @gunny:

I did not hurl this accusation at any one. and especially not at you.  I am simply speaking my mind. and that is what this site is about. my comment is in line with the topic of this article.

 

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Dowser
link 03/14/17 03:15:40PM @dowser:

I'm sorry, dear friend, but you did.  You accused me of getting XX banned from the site, when he was on vacation for a few days.  You may not remember it, but it happened.

Speak your mind, Gunny-- that's what the site is here for.  I am not insulted that you were misinformed.  But, I would like to nip it, in the bud, that any ONE of us can get someone else banned.  That doesn't happen.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 03:29:52PM @gunny:

That is one thing I do not remember. But if you say so then I apologize.  But I see the writing on the wall about XX, not you as you cannot ban anyone.  But I can see and read comments that are click bait to get some one to say something that they can be banned for, and it usually the liberals, but not always that cause the banning to happen. I see the stalkers and who they stalk and I see the comments that incite.  An yes no one reports them that is their right. But I still see it.  I'm quite capable of deciphering intent here from the liberals.  Many here think I am crazy.  Maybe I am but also I may be too crazy for them to know who I really am.  I don't kiss ass and I don't stop speaking my mind and if they don't like it tuff shit. they got the same panties to get glad in as I do.  But I will continue to speak my mind about the lieberals here.  And yes that is spelled exactly as I wanted it.  

I do not paint with a broad brush and you know that.  There are some liberals here that I like you are one. and there are some conservatives that I do not like so you can't say that I am bias towards conservatives or liberals.  

I see the things that go on here on NT. and like I have said before it is getting to be another NV.

Thus in keeping on topic I have to agree with this article.

 

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Dowser
link 03/14/17 04:25:32PM @dowser:

Saying this as a member:  Please don't think I'm mad at you, because I'm not.  I love you very much, as my friend-- (tell your darling wife that it is as a friend...)  I cannot ban anyone, and it takes responses from the own person's mouth to lead to a suspension.  No one can make someone else be snarky, we all have a responsibility to not be.  Sometimes, we're all goaded into saying things in ways we wish we hadn't.  That's human nature-- and it happens on both sides of the aisle.  

Take care, dear friend!

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:33:39PM @gunny:

Let me put it this way, Dowser.... the hate filled liberals here, not you, know how to push buttons, they live on the internet and learn what they can get away with and what will get others to bite their bait.  Some of us can take their crap and throw it back and some snap and say things they really don't want to say.  that is the way of these liberal trolls and stalkers.

I shall give that love to the wife for ya. You take care and do not over do it. 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 04:58:58PM @perrie-halpern:

OK for XX's info... None of the mods are trying to get you banned. Very little will do that. You would have to threaten someone and you don't seem the type. Btw, I am saying this to you despite the comments I read from you to me. What you might not know, is that I considered BF a close friend, and what happened here yesterday was one of the crumbiest moments for me. 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 05:21:16PM @gunny:

I shall repeat myself is bold caps I HAVE NEVER SAID ANY MOD WAS TRYING TO BAN XX. 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 05:23:03PM @perrie-halpern:

OK then we are good, Gene. 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/14/17 05:58:14PM @a-macarthur:

What you might not know, is that I considered BF a close friend, and what happened here yesterday was one of the crumbiest moments for me. 

I am not aware of what happened yesterday … please bring me up to date.

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Randy
link 03/14/17 06:00:24PM @randy:

BF threatened Kavika and was banned permanently. Perrie can give you the details better, but that's the Readers Digest version.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/15/17 03:20:16AM @xxjefferson51:

I never said anything I can recall  about anyone in charge trying to ban me here.  I know there are a handful of progressives that wish it would happen.  Not sure what I might have said to you personally that would make us at odds other than seeing Texas singled out for education scores when liberal California's was virtually the same.  

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Krishna
link 03/14/17 05:06:06PM @krishna:

No one wants to ban XX.  Even me, when I'm personally ticked that he continually accuses me of lying.  I do not lie on this site.

One of the things that encourages bad behaviour on any site is when users know...that they can get away with it! Its that simple.

That there will indeed be consequences for behaviour such as personal attacks. (For example, accusing a person of being a liar-- when its clear they are not). There should be consequences for that...every time it happens.

IMO the first offense should automatically result in a one day suspension. The second offense, a longer suspension-- maybe 3 or 4 days. Etc. 

As far as I'm concerned, that is a clear cut case of "dejas vu all over again". On any site, there will always be a few individuals who will "test" the policies. "Tot the line". "Push the limits". To see what they can get away with.

So offenses such as personal attacks should be immediately "punished"-- automatic suspensions are a good start. (If that policy were to be instituted, the fequency of personal attacks and similar bullsh*t would plummet.... 

(That being said, IMNSHO, XX has not yet crossed the line that deserves a ban).

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Krishna
link 03/14/17 05:08:45PM @krishna:

IMNSHO?

Scroll down this page

 

 

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Krishna
link 03/14/17 05:10:01PM @krishna:

IMNSHO?

Scroll down this page

 

 

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Randy
link 03/14/17 05:14:55PM @randy:

Thanks! I saved that page for future use!

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 09:54:52PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

"That there will indeed be consequences for behaviour such as personal attacks. (For example, accusing a person of being a liar-- when its clear they are not). There should be consequences for that...every time it happens."

On NV I was accused by a member for having been a liar because of a point I had made. If I was in fact incorrect with that point it was not because I lied, it was because I was repeating something wrong due to my being misinformed. Lying takes intention, same as a criminal act, and I deeply resented being called a liar. Although I complained, nothing was done about it, which is probably one of the reasons I left Newsvine and joined the class action lawsuit against them, with success. Perhaps it takes a certain amount of maturity, intelligence and good faith to accept that a person couild be misinformed rather than intentionally telling a lie. That member, by the way joined us on NT but rarely comments.

Consider this: If I believed black was actually white and was convinced of it and said it, am I liar or just misinformed?

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 10:10:55PM @cerenkov:

Liberals have staked out the position that says being wrong means you are a liar. They use that flawed definition constantly. It's disingenuous at best.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:29:56PM @a-macarthur:

Let me educate you; making an inaccurate statement unknowingly, is stating a "falsehood" -- making a false statement knowingly and with the intent to do so, is telling a lie!

Your pronouncement is an editorial comment and a broad brush generality that cannot possibly be applied to all individuals of any demographic.

 

 

 

 

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 10:41:02PM @cerenkov:

"Let me educate you"

Your "education" does not qualify you to educate me on any subject. 

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 03:26:41PM @kavika:

The only way someone gets banned is through their stupidity. If they can't play by the rules and get banned it's on them and their arrogance/ ignorance/stupidity.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 03:33:26PM @gunny:

And stalkers click baiting them into making that stupid mistake.

 

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 03:43:19PM @kavika:

 

If the conservatives are stupid enough to fall for the so called click bait, than it show's that they really aren't that intelligent or they are arrogant enough to think that they can get away with posting a comment that is going to get them banned.

Either way it's on them, except they don't want to accept the consequences of their actions.

 

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 03:45:30PM @jwc2blue:

"Personal responsibility" doesn't apply to some.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 03:46:18PM @gunny:

Both of You just proved my point by you comment.

laughing dude

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 03:51:14PM @kavika:

Of course we did, but only in your mind, Gunny.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:08:20PM @gunny:

And again..................laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:09:59PM @kavika:

Brilliant discourse on your part, Gunny.

You did it again.....laughing dude

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:12:00PM @gunny:

And again......laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:22:04PM @randy:

And again! laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:30:16PM @gunny:

And again......................laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 05:02:30PM @perrie-halpern:

Gene,

You're above comments are providing nothing, but actually doing what you claim some others here do... which is aggrivate to the point of saying something stupid. Let's all try not to do that... no matter what side of the fence we sit or straddle. 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 05:19:29PM @gunny:

Typical of you. I see no reason to argue with you so you could just suspend me.  I will let your off statement go at this time.

 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 05:51:28PM @perrie-halpern:

Gene,

Look up the thread. Both Kavika and Jwc made generic comments and you made it about them. That is what lead me to say what I said. Sorry if you feel that I was unfair. And I am not trying to get you to argue with me to suspend you. Can we just leave it at that. 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 05:56:57PM @gunny:

thumbs down

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/14/17 03:52:57PM @xxjefferson51:
Exactly.  One was engaged in a tit for tat and the other fell for going too far.  The one that went to far actually deleted the excess and the instigator brought what he triggered back in a reposting of the deleted comment.  I will not be drawn into such an exchange in a conversation.
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Kavika
link 03/14/17 03:54:03PM @kavika:

Of course you won't, XX....You'll just keep posting ''click bait'' articles.

You should go back and re read the coments and see who the instigator was...I don't expect that you will cuz it's easier to point fingers than deal with facts.

 

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 10:11:45PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

I don't agree that all of XX's articles are "click bait". Some may be controversial, and most would proffer opinions with which you do not agee. In fact there have been articles about his religion with which I do not agree but they are his belief and opinion, and I may provide an opposing opinion which indicates my personal belief and opinion, but I do not consider such an article to be click-bait, but a contribution to us of his personal thoughts and beliefs.  

If we all were of the same opinion on everything I would not want to bother being part of such an echo chamber. Controvery is often needed to stir our interest and exercise our brain power, and make this site worth belonging to. For that reason I feel that the posting of articles and comments that provide a different viewpoint can challenge my own thoughts and sometimes influence my opinions. Hey, not everyone does, but I usually enjoy reading BF's articles and comments because I am open-minded enough to enjoy all forms of humour, and his poking fun, and I think he adss another dimension to the site.

I hope, Perrie, that you do not consider my comment about BF to be a forbidden "calling ouit" because I meant it as a compliment, and if we are forbidden from paying each other compliments and encouagement I would disagree with it. If you DO consider it a calling out deserving a suspension, then why am I here?

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 11:43:18PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Holy sh*t. I just read over my comment and can't believe I made so many spelling mistakes. That'll teach me to proofread before I post.

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 04:04:08PM @jwc2blue:

The threat was made, deleted or not.

The concept of "personal responsibility" is something right wingers love to use as an answer for unwanted pregnancies, low paying jobs, lousy health insurance.. Pretty much everything but their own behavior.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:07:22PM @gunny:

And they are going for it again, XX. the liberal hate is there.

 

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:14:54PM @kavika:

Not hate at all, more like poking fun of members that are unable to comprehend their own blindness. laughing dude

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:16:17PM @gunny:

Those that call other blind cannot see their own hatred.

 

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 04:28:06PM @jwc2blue:

Yeah, here's your white cane. But I think your dog took the opportunity to leave.

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:31:03PM @randy:

But I think your dog took the opportunity to leave.

And don't forget, you still have to clean up the shit he left on the floor!

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:35:37PM @gunny:

Hey squid mail clerk you are one to talk, how many times now have you been vacationed for you snark and nasty mouth. You just another liberal troll.

 

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:39:51PM @randy:

how many times now have you been vacationed for you snark and nasty mouth.

If you're talking to me, I believe it's never happened. Or at least I don't remember it ever happening and I've been on NT almost since it started a long time ago and have and known Perrie since Newsvine more then 10 years ago. I don't think she's ever suspended me? Of course I could be wrong.

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:49:50PM @gunny:

No not you Randy.  I think you know whom I am referring to.

 

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 04:40:43PM @jwc2blue:

Those that call other blind cannot see their own hatred

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:28:27PM @kavika:

Here are a pair of glasses to help you see your own hatred, Gunny.laughing dude

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:37:32PM @gunny:

I know my hatreds and I did not let politics get in the way of friendship. and my mothers maiden name is still BUNDY?

As you know I already wear glasses the better to see the hatred from you and the other liberals on this site that hate anything conservative.

 

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:46:54PM @kavika:

My mothers maiden name is St. Paul, what does that have anything to do with it.

Sorry Gunny, but your the one full of hate....deal with it. 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:51:43PM @gunny:

No you are the one that ended our relationship because of the wife's stance on the Bundy deal and that I told you that my mothers maiden name was Bundy and that was at the timeof the Bundy ranch fiasco.  Talk about short term memory loss or is it age.

 

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:56:09PM @kavika:

What the heck difference does it make if you mothers name was Bundy...Man, you better get a better grip on reality.

As far as the Bundy's go, both the Nevada and Oregon. It only proved that they are anarchist's and deserve to be in prison.

 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 05:02:45PM @gunny:

No you need to cause as soon as that statement was made we both seen the change in your face and attitude after lunch was over with.  look in the mirror and see all that hate for me and the wife because we disagreed on the Bundy ranch deal.  We both made the statement at the same time that you did not like those facts. that we saw that change.

So you get a grip on yourself and realize what hate you have in your heart.

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 05:11:45PM @kavika:
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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 04:41:30PM @jwc2blue:

Glasses won't help. He needs an EZ-out.

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:43:53PM @randy:

WD-40

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:52:39PM @gunny:

Use that for fishing.

 

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Gunny
link 03/14/17 04:52:16PM @gunny:

You need a new life. but then again being a postal clerk is kinda fitting for you.

 PS:  by y'all attacking me so many times and by all of you you are just proving that anything conservative is UN_American according to the liberals, Dowser is the exception. And all I can do is laugh at you for being so ignorant.

 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 05:05:00PM @perrie-halpern:

OMG!!! All of you!! Stop being obnoxious to each other. Any further comments meant to inflame this will be removed. Look at my time signature. 

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 10:48:16PM @sixpick:

I've found it to be the case with me quite often, especially lately, when I post a comment and want to make a change in it by updating it, after updating it, the comment is exactly like it was before I updated it.  So I refresh the screen and the comment is still exactly like it was before I updated it.  Then I update it again and it is still just like it was before I updated it.  I find that in most cases if I leave the comment and go somewhere else on the site if I come back to my comment later it has actually updated.

The site is not perfect and sometimes it is the site and sometimes it is the browser being used, but whatever the case I think Badfish should be given another chance here on this site.  I know how it feels to be banned from a site as I was banned from NV for no reason other than being ganged up on by 3 members who were going to get me banned.  I highly suspect on of them was a moderator.  I don't know what Badfish did, but unless it was a threat to someone's life and not just exposing the job title of a person, which was done to him last year, I believe, then if whoever was threatened was not harmed by this threat had a heart he/she would request a second chance for Badfish.

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 11:34:58PM @sixpick:

Thank you PJ for the first thumbs up.  I honestly was surprised to see your name, but I think it speaks highly of you, since BF was not very nice to you a number of times.

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PJ
link 03/18/17 09:05:33AM @pj:

My thumbs up was just me keeping track of which posts I've read.  hehehehehe........ just kidding chuckle

I would first like to say that I have a great respect for the individual BF offended/threatened.   

You're right, there is no love loss between me and BF.  Frankly, I don't know how much weight that a lying adulterous whore can offer or whether a ban can be reversed or not......I'll leave that up to those who can make that decision but I have no problem with it being lifted if the person offended/threatened agreed.

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Randy
link 03/17/17 11:46:35PM @randy:

I find if I do a correction and it hasn't corrected, that if I go back to correction to the box where I can make changes (and the corrected version that I want pops up) and then hit correct and then back again if the post does not correct and do this several times it corrects the post. I think that we need more time to do corrections. I don't know how much we are getting now, but it feels like about 15 or 30 seconds.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/18/17 12:02:26AM @buzz-of-the-orient:

"I've found it to be the case with me quite often, especially lately, when I post a comment and want to make a change in it by updating it, after updating it, the comment is exactly like it was before I updated it.  So I refresh the screen and the comment is still exactly like it was before I updated it.  Then I update it again and it is still just like it was before I updated it.  I find that in most cases if I leave the comment and go somewhere else on the site if I come back to my comment later it has actually updated."

The exact same thing happens to me.  It's just one of the weird glitches that happens on this site from time to time.

"The site is not perfect and sometimes it is the site and sometimes it is the browser being used, but whatever the case I think Badfish should be given another chance here on this site.  I know how it feels to be banned from a site as I was banned from NV for no reason other than being ganged up on by 3 members who were going to get me banned.  I highly suspect on of them was a moderator.  I don't know what Badfish did, but unless it was a threat to someone's life and not just exposing the job title of a person, which was done to him last year, I believe, then if whoever was threatened was not harmed by this threat had a heart he/she would request a second chance for Badfish."

Since BF deleted the comment before it became permanent or was criticized by anyone at the time for it, obviously he had second thoughts and realized it should not have been posted. Because of that I would not have held it against him or used it as a cause to ban or punish him. I would have been satisfied that he had caught himself from making that error and although he could have been scolded for it, it would have been wrong IMO to have banned him.  The danger in this site is that because certain glitches that happen, I have found that sometimes I could not delete or amend what I had written even when it was within the time limit to do so, because although the amend/delete icons show up, when running the cursor over them they disappear, making them unusable.

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 02:05:18PM @dowser:

I make a lot of comments that I don't post.  On second, or even 3rd reading, they're just not right somehow...  From what I understand, not having seen BF's comment, the only appropriate response for Perrie, our Resident Advisor, was to ban him from the site.  It hurt her to do it, as she and BF are personal friends.  This "free the fish" stuff is not helping her.  It just makes her feel worse, when she followed the CoC that we are all aware of and can read, below.

Y'all all complain about moderation.  Try to be a moderator for a few weeks.  Read that CoC carefully, because there is a lot in it.  BF made a threat against another member.  If that same threat had been applied to him, he would have had a fit to ban the member that made it.  All of us say things sometimes that we wish we hadn't.  The key is to not say them in the first place.  To my knowledge he never said sorry for it, nor said he wished to make amends.  Maybe he has, and I'm just not aware of it.

No one member can call for the banning of another member-- it doesn't work that way.  What BF said went against the CoC and was clearly a bannable offense.  That's by the rules of the site.

Try to be a little more supportive of Perrie, who agonized over the decision.  This is not NV, it's NT.  Banning is a last resort, here.  Perrie followed the CoC-- the rules of the site.  To accuse her of a lack of integrity, while you may disagree with her decision, is pretty despicable.  We should all be grateful to Perrie, who keeps this site up and running, for our use, for free.  

Everyone take care and please chill out.

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PJ
link 03/18/17 02:56:31PM @pj:

I understand Lady Dowser and I apologize.  My comments were not meant to be a criticism but to show my openness.  As far as moderating, I don't complain about the moderating because I don't expect or ask for it on my behalf.  

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 04:07:35PM @dowser:

No apologies needed!

My point is that Perrie has to follow the CoC, too!  And, she did.

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 06:43:29PM @sixpick:

To accuse her of a lack of integrity, while you may disagree with her decision, is pretty despicable.

Where did you come up with that Dowser?

We're just speaking our minds and I know the glitches I have on this site.  I don't blame Perrie for the glitches or banning BF either.  When you post something, realize it's not what you wanted to do or shouldn't have done and have to update it over and over and then along with that refresh the screen over and over, sometimes people still get to see what you posted initially.  I don't know any more than that.  No one is blaming, or at least me, Perrie or the victim of what BF did, but we are requesting a second look at it, but it does require BF to do his part and it does require the victim to be willing to accept it and go on from there.  That's all.  Nothing more.  As I see from my initial comment not too many are in favor, haven't seen or don't care about it, I expect it will not be looked at again.

I don't know what the threat was and if I did I may feel like I could care less if BF was allowed back on this site if his threat was directed toward me.

At this point, I just wish the banning could be revisited with conditions.

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ambivalent
link 03/18/17 07:00:07PM @ambivalent:

I read the e mail, it was a definite threat to a member and his family. Somebody else was banned a while ago for doing the exact same thing to BF! BF was enraged, made certain that the banning procedure was enforced, so why should he get special privilege? Ugliness abounds on this site, not what Perrie ever had in mind when she started it. Sad.

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 07:08:50PM @sixpick:

Well Ambi, you know more than I do and like I said if the threat was directed at me I may feel the same way.

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 07:25:08PM @dowser:

Perrie was forced into a corner by the CoC, which was applied fairly and honestly.  I just feel that we should all be grateful for a site where we can come and express ourselves, when we're not paying for the privilege.  Perrie behaved with integrity and courage.  It's not easy doing that when you don't want to do what you have to do...  That's more along the lines of what I meant-- the despicable part was BF's threat, not Buzz...  

It was pretty bad, and I feel that if that threat had been directed toward you, you would have been very angry about it.  And upset.  Even worried about repercussions.  We all have our vulnerabilities...  

If we re-visit the CoC's banning rules, then we'll have to change it.  Which can be done...  But, the deed is done, for now.  

Hey, I miss him, too.  But he got himself into this, and no one did it to him.  I miss the old, congenial BF-- the one that was funny-- not the one that become so disillusioned and mean to everyone.  You know?  He used to be a lot of fun!  Lately, there has been an "edge" to him, and he stepped over the line...  

Love you, Six!

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A. Macarthur
link 03/18/17 08:01:53PM @a-macarthur:

I have not seen the particular threat … that fact enables me to comment objectively, not on the specific threat, but on the potential fallout on NT (if not an individual making a threat on the site).

 

TERRORISTIC THREATS & STALKING



TERRORISTIC THREATS


2C:12-3. Terroristic Threats

This is a third degree crime which occurs in one of two ways.


  1. A person is guilty of terroristic threats if he or she threatens to commit any crime of violence with the purpose to terrorize or to cause the evacuation of a building. The most common example is phoning in a bomb threat.
  2. Terrorist threats also include threatening to kill another with the purpose to put them in imminent fear where the victim believes the threat will be carried out.

It is often a fine line between having a heated argument and committing the 3rd degree crime of terroristic threats. Sometimes when we are angry we say things we don’t mean and have no intention of carrying out. The lawyers at Roberts & Teeter understand this difference and will work hard to make sure others like juries and judges understand it as well.

_______________________________________________________

An owner/administrator MUST address and act on threats made on or from his/her site.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/18/17 08:35:12PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

@ Dowser

I was shocked when I read in your comment which I assumed was addressed to me, this statement:

 "To accuse her of a lack of integrity, while you may disagree with her decision, is pretty despicable."

I am glad that you eventually indicated:

 Perrie behaved with integrity and courage.  It's not easy doing that when you don't want to do what you have to do...  That's more along the lines of what I meant-- the despicable part was BF's threat, not Buzz... 

I would NEVER have accused Perrie of a lack of integrity. Although, personally, I will miss BF because he adds a lot of colour to the site, I would always be supportive of Perrie and whatever she feels must be done, but I am also entitled to point out that in the heat of the moment one could become radical and then immediately regret and attempt to delete what they wrote, and then due to a glitch that has happened to me and others on this site, find it almost impossible to delete what was posted.

 

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 09:15:15PM @dowser:

Buzz, I apologize.  It was a poorly worded statement, and not directed to YOU at all-- but I should have made that clear.  Please accept my apology, as I care about you very much, and have no wish to insult you-- ever.  It was a poorly worded statement, and should have been re-worded and changed so that it reflected what I truly meant.

Hope you're ok!

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/18/17 11:01:03PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Okay Dowser, you know you're a good friend as well. As Amon Goth (Ralph Fiennes) said to the boy who couldn't clean the ring from his bathtub in Schindler's List: "I pardon you."

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Dowser
link 03/19/17 10:51:04AM @dowser:

Buzz, I was thinking, in the night, that the comment was one that I should have read and re-read, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 times, before I posted it.  Thank you for your forgiveness.  I would never try to hurt you on purpose.  Thanks for understanding that!  thumbs up

Now, I can rest 'easy'...

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 09:27:24PM @sixpick:

Love you too Dowser.  Sorry it has come to this.  I agree being funny is a lot funnier than being vicious or mean.  It takes real talent.  I can be both!!! LOL  I have to say being or at least trying to be funny, even if it is combined with a little sarcasm doesn't bring out the worst in others and certainly makes for a better day for me. 

Sometimes on this site, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea for some to not use their computers unless they were already at the hospital emergency room.

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Dowser
link 03/19/17 10:57:50AM @dowser:

I'm sure I certainly fit into that category sometimes...  I had a very confusing day yesterday.  I got up early, and had to go for a doctor's appointment.  Not thinking clearly at all, I was there on the wrong Saturday.  I spent most of the day stumbling around-- not awake-- and had a day where everything went wrong or bad...  

You know, when the cats run up the stairs like a herd of buffalo, jumping on the bed and meowing piteously, and you reach down to pet them, and they're soaking wet...  And then, you realize that you hear water running somewhere...  That's NOT a good sign.  Turned out, I had WD'd the faucet on the kitchen sink, to make it operate more smoothly, and they had turned the water on, and in the confusion managed to fall into the sink and get soaked.  Then, I could still hear water running and checked everything-- I mean everything on 3 floors, and finally realized that our next door neighbors were using OUR hose to do some concrete work on their house-- the company, not the neighbors.  So I had to get dressed again, and go out there, and they had carelessly crossed threads on the hose and I only hope it works when WE need it.  

Just a confusing day, all around...

Love you, dear Six!  

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PJ
link 03/19/17 11:06:59AM @pj:

A day in the life of Lady Dowser  

hahahahaha - I love it!  I'm sure it was no fun for you but it sounds seriously funny and almost a perfect storm situation....   I would have loved to have been a spectator.  ((big smile)) 

Glad you've regained your bearings today.  

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Dowser
link 03/19/17 11:17:37AM @dowser:

I forgot that I dried a sweater in the dryer that should have been air-dried, and now it fits Tommy, the dog.  

Today is going to be a better day!  Tonight, we're going to see my step-daughter's family and I'll get to hold the baby!  There is something so wonderful about having a little baby's head next to your cheek...  Peaceful...  I adore my new granddaughter!  She's a keeper!  thumbs up

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/19/17 07:46:05PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

@ Dowser

"...our next door neighbors were using OUR hose to do some concrete work on their house-- the company, not the neighbors." 

My first thought is that if it happened to me I would have gone out there with an axe and cut their hose after turning off the water, but then why do damage?  I simply would have turned off the tap that's inside the house that leads to the outside tap. That would have confounded them if they didn't know the hoses were mixed up.

 

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Dowser
link 03/19/17 09:03:04PM @dowser:

First, to find an axe would have been a major undertaking, and several trips up and down stairs, which I have to crawl, these days.  Secondly, I don't know where the main shut off valve is...  I know where they are to the sinks, etc., and I'd already crawled all over the house to try to find the leak...  Plus, I'm trying to get along with these people.  (Our dogs bark, sometimes.)  They didn't do it, the company they hired did it.  THEY got reamed out good, believe me...  But I'm not sending anyone a bill for the extra water.  I need to be able to smile at these people every day!  thumbs up

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/19/17 09:49:58PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Usually you would find an inside the house tap close to where the pipe leads to the outside. In Canada we had to have that because of freezing winter temperatures but perhaps it isn't necessary where you are. Anyway, just shutting off the water should not have upset your neighbours because the company would probably realize what happened and re-attach their hose to the neighbour's tap. Your neighbours could not complain about that, and you could always say you had a leak in your house and had to turn off the water until you could find and fix it.  Anyway, hindsight is always better, but unfortunately useless. 

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Randy
link 03/19/17 10:04:39PM @randy:

Here the water turn off for the whole house is out by the street in a ground level box that also has the water usage meter in it. As far as I know there is not one in the house, though of course there are the usual ones under the sinks, tubs and toilets.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/19/17 10:25:23PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

That's because you don't get freezing temperatures. But you have lived for a time in the north where that would not work. In Canada, both the meter and the whole house tap were usually in the basement to prevent freezing, and the meter reader would have to be let into the house to read it.

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Randy
link 03/19/17 10:31:49PM @randy:

That's true. When I lived in Michigan I had my own well and the pump and shut off were in the basement. Most of the water pipes that ran under the house in a tight crawl space (along with the furnace pipes) were wrapped with plug in heat tape to keep them from freezing shut, though I usually left them unplugged and just left my water turned on just a little to keep the pipes open. I mean it's not like I was paying for the water.

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Dowser
link 03/21/17 12:49:15PM @dowser:

I asked my husband, last night, and he said that our turn off valve is under a meter in the front yard, out by the street.  You can't get into it without a key, but that there was a second shut-off valve over by the water heater in the basement.  That one, I could have gotten to, probably...  

Hindsight is always 20/20, but I did the best I could do, at the time.  I was worn out from climbing all those stairs and looking for the branch shut-offs.  All is well, here.  Things have calmed down, thankfully.  I'm here in bed with my kitties and dogs beside me, so I'm being soothed, as I recover from yesterday's ordeal of being sick...  UGH.  Bless the animals.  Life would be a lot grimmer without them!

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Krishna
link 03/14/17 05:15:39PM @krishna:

And stalkers click baiting them into making that stupid mistake.

I've been on the Internet a long, long time. (In fact, I started using it shortly after Al Gore invented it winking).

And not once in all those years (I believe it was decades, actually)...not once has anyone made me do anything i didn't want to do!

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:30:11AM @a-macarthur:

Al Gore is actually responsible for the Internet as we know it; it was his bill that called for the adaptation of the military's ARPNET as a public venue.

And Gore coined the term, The Information Super Highway.

All true!

 

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 08:11:42PM @gunny:

Not really we developed the base wide net then the world net in the military simply for getting classified information to all concerned parties. using crypto equipment and materials.  Ass hole was long gone out of the military.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 09:00:45PM @a-macarthur:

Not really we developed the base wide net then the world net in the military simply for getting classified information to all concerned parties. using crypto equipment and materials.  Ass hole was long gone out of the military.

Al Gore is a former US Senator who served as the Vice President of the United States from 1993 to 2001, and is co-winner of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. In the 1980s and 1990s, he promoted legislation that funded an expansion of the ARPANET, allowing greater public access, and helping to develop the Internet.

24 Jun 1986: Albert Gore introduced S 2594 Supercomputer Network Study Act of 1986[4]

As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill"[5]) after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network[6] submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).[7]

Indeed, Kleinrock would later credit both Gore and the Gore Bill as a critical moment in Internet history:


A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George H.W Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network [13–14]. The NREN brought together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking.[8]


The bill was passed on Dec. 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII)[9] which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway". President George H. W. Bush predicted that the bill would help "unlock the secrets of DNA," open up foreign markets to free trade, and a promise of cooperation between government, academia, and industry.[10]

Prior to its passage, Gore discussed the basics of the bill in an article for the September 1991 issue of Scientific American entitled Scientific American presents the September 1991 Single Copy Issue: Communications, Computers, and Networks. His essay, "Infrastructure for the Global Village", commented on the lack of network access described above and argued: "Rather than holding back, the U.S. should lead by building the information infrastructure, essential if all Americans are to gain access to this transforming technology"[11] [...] "high speed networks must be built that tie together millions of computers, providing capabilities that we cannot even imagine."[12]

 

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 09:15:44PM @gunny:

We were working on the internet 10 years ahead of him. I could care less what his resume says, to many in the military he is still an asshole.

 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 09:28:04PM @a-macarthur:

What you think of Gore does not change the reality that his bill led to the expansion of what the military developed and made it available for public use.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 09:52:19PM @cerenkov:

Nope. Colleges had access to Arpanet before al-gor did anything. It's just more posturing from the carbon snake oil salesman.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:23:05PM @a-macarthur:

Your endless right-wing bias does not change the reality as it applies to my statement on Gore and ARPANET.

I made it clear from comment one, that Gore's bill resulted ultimately in the expansion of ARPANET and its public and commercial adaptation.

To act as if you are correcting a claim I never made, and doing so in a manner that implies I either misstated or misled ... Is dishonest.

In one of the rare instances you actually try to discuss content, you do so in such a way as to attempt to negate what is real and supplant it with what is irrelevant ... at my expense.

 

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 10:39:13PM @cerenkov:

I accept your apology.I had an Arpanet email account in the 80s.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:50:44PM @a-macarthur:

I accept your apology.I had an Arpanet email account in the 80s.

ARPANET became the technical core of what would become the Internet, and a primary tool in developing the technologies used. The early ARPANET used the Network Control Program (NCP, sometimes Network Control Protocol) rather than TCP/IP. On January 1, 1983, known as flag day, NCP on the ARPANET was replaced by the more flexible and powerful family of TCP/IP protocols, marking the start of the modern Internet.[20]

From my first comment, I made the distinction between ARPANET and the ultimate emergence of the "Internet" as well as their connection to one another.

 

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 11:19:56PM @gunny:

 Gore may have gotten the bill passed, but he did not invent the internet as he claims. that is what I was getting at AMac.

as far as the military or should I say Vietnam vets think he is a traitor. testifying before congress while the war was going on and lying about some of the activities there.  Thus getting more Americans killed.  But that is another story altogether.

 

 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/18/17 07:32:59PM @a-macarthur:

 Gore may have gotten the bill passed, but he did not invent the internet as he claims. that is what I was getting at AMac.

Gunny, Gore never made that claim …

He DID say the following …

On September 20, 2000, the Los Angeles Times had reported that "Gore did not say he was the Internet's inventor but in 1999 he did say, 'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.' "

The Internet as we know it … not as ARPANET … in a sense, is the result in Gore's legislative initiative. It's close, but not the claim as wrongly attributed to him.'

The information superhighway or infobahn[1][2] was a popular term used through the 1990s to refer to digital communication systems and the Internet telecommunications network. It is associated with United States Senator and later Vice-President Al Gore.[3]

Your opinion of Al Gore, to which you are entitled, is not the issue.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/15/17 03:25:54AM @xxjefferson51:

Gunny; applausethumbs up

 

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deepwaterdon
link 03/17/17 10:32:23AM @deepwaterdon:

XX... Now is the time, since we have Perries' attention, to make good on your threat to have me banned for life. Want the proof posted from yesterday, or do you remember? If not, man up and apologize. Or maybe at least throw a few emojies(sp) at me. Just man up and practice some of those Christian ideals you expouse.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 08:14:48PM @cerenkov:

Another tired derail...

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 05:07:47PM @xxjefferson51:

No apology for you.  You should apologize to me for making the threat to speak ill of or toward my mom if I didn't say or do as you demanded.  

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deepwaterdon
link 03/17/17 10:21:10AM @deepwaterdon:

100% agreement, K.

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 03:49:01PM @jwc2blue:

XX your next for them to try and get banned.

Oh no! Our secret plans have been leaked! /s

 

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/14/17 03:59:15PM @xxjefferson51:

You have gotten yourself suspended in attempts to lure me into responding in kind to your posts.  That death wish you posted about a stone to my head and me dropping comes to mind.  

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:02:01PM @randy:

Oh no! Our secret plans have been leaked! /s

Damn it! Must have come from that camera the GOP put on our microwave at our secret headquarters.

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 04:06:49PM @kavika:

Oh no, Wiki leaks strikes again.

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:23:20PM @randy:

It's da Ruskis I tells ya! Da Ruskis!

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/14/17 10:32:09PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

"Oh no, Wiki leaks strikes again."

That's cause you have to let her out more often.

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 10:54:51PM @sixpick:

He wasn't talking about her.  He was talking about him.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 10:57:53PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

LOL  I know, I just couldn't stop myself from making that comment - an irresistable urge.

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Gunny
link 03/16/17 11:52:41AM @gunny:

It's no secret blew, you are all an open book on this subject. easy to read second grade level at the most.

 

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 04:52:10PM @jwc2blue:

XX your next for them to try and get banned.

Wrong,  as usual.

And the last meeting of the Secular Leftist God haters and Muslim Lovers Club, we decided to go alphabetically.

X4P is last.

Don't worry, we're keeping you around for comic relief.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
link 03/14/17 05:05:32PM @perrie-halpern:

OMG!!! All of you!! Stop being obnoxious to each other. Any further comments meant to inflame this will be removed. Look at my time signature. 

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 05:09:18PM @xxjefferson51:

Who is X4P?  

 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/14/17 03:40:58PM @a-macarthur:

Read the whole article before posting moronic generalities …

From the article …

Trump and company have, unfortunately, joined this game as well. Trump tweeted that leaking intelligence information to the press was "very un-American." White House aide Sebastian Gorka called objections to a Trump plan to highlight crimes committed by illegals "un-American."

The FP is just dripping with hateful, stupid crap.

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 03:58:22PM @lady-in-black:

To XX:  I posted this on another article, but I will post it again. 

Dear XX, I am a middle of the road democrat, I live in Western New York and I am a gold star mom. 

So please spare me the "Patriotic real Americans must stand up to their bullying" line because it's BS. 

Here's a clue....WE ARE ALL REAL AMERICANS!!!!!

What makes you think you are more American than I am or for that matter more than anyone else on this site?

 

 

 

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Randy
link 03/14/17 03:59:23PM @randy:

applause Bravo! Well said!

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/14/17 04:11:24PM @xxjefferson51:

I've been called all sorts of things over my political, economic, and religious views by secular progressive lefties.  Then comes the faux outrage when return fire comes their way.  

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 05:27:20PM @lady-in-black:

XX stills does not answer my question.  What makes you think you are more "American" than me or anyone else on this site?

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Kavika
link 03/14/17 05:41:15PM @kavika:

I've asked him that question before, and have never received a reply...Don't hold your breath waiting for him to respond.

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 05:43:59PM @lady-in-black:

I know he won't answer.

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deepwaterdon
link 03/17/17 10:36:32AM @deepwaterdon:

See above... I asked him a direct question, only minutes ago. Do not expect a response. Typical behavior.

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Hal A. Lujah
link 03/18/17 09:19:56AM @hal-a-lujah:

There's a question I've been asking him for years that he refuses to address.  

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Randy
link 03/14/17 05:45:24PM @randy:

He sure seems to act like he thinks he is somehow a superior American and Christian compared to just about everyone else. Well I guess that officially he is a superior Christian to me since I'm an atheist. That said I think I have a higher Christ-like standard in my life then he does. Just IMHO. Many atheists are among the kindest, patriotic and most moral people I know. But they never act like they are superior to anyone. I would like to think that I don't either.

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 06:25:25PM @lady-in-black:

I"m a non practicing Catholic. 

Though when both my son and husband passed away both of their funeral masses where at my old church and they (and I will be too) are buried in a Catholic cemetery and one of the reasons why the Catholic cemetery is due to the fact that it is very close to where I live. 

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Randy
link 03/14/17 06:44:42PM @randy:

I like to tell people that I'm a recovering Catholic.Happy

Though I am an atheist and have been for many years when my father passed away he was a pretty devout Catholic, so I went through the whole thing, reciting the Rosary at the funeral home, the whole Mass, Communion, everything. I was surprised how much of it I still remembered. My wife (who is Jewish) asked me about it and I told her that I did it out of respect for him and not for myself. She was very supportive and even sat next to me trying to keep up during the reciting of the Rosary and the Mass.

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ambivalent
link 03/14/17 04:49:04PM @ambivalent:

I am very sorry to read that you have lost a child. I offer condolences to you and to your family.

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Dowser
link 03/14/17 04:50:44PM @dowser:

I feel the same way, ambi.  I just left a message on Lady's home page, saying that I'm glad we're friends!  thumbs up

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 05:35:44PM @lady-in-black:

Thank you Ambivalent and Dowser. 

It's not that I like to draw attention to myself, but it burns me that others think just because of where you live or where you fall on the political spectrum makes you less of an American.

I know it's really irrelevant at this point but that was one of the reason I could not stand Palin....her "here in real america".....like she was implying that if you don't live in a "small" town, you did not live in the "real" america and you weren't a "real american".  

 

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Dowser
link 03/14/17 09:17:12PM @dowser:

I certainly agree with you, and feel sure that ambi does, too.  Love you, Lady.  The best of luck to you!

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Randy
link 03/14/17 09:59:55PM @randy:

Lady in Black. I saw you trying to post Nights in White Satin on the "What Songs Lift Your Spirits" thread and not having much luck, so I posted it for you.

When you go to youtube and find the song you want, once it starts playing just move your cursor over to anywhere on the song and right click your mouse, then left click on where it says "copy embed code" from the pop up menu. Then go to the message box on whatever thread you want to post it on, left click and then right click on "paste" from the menu. The embed code for that song should appear. Sometimes, especially on long threads with lots of songs already on them it might take quite some time before the video loads and starts playing, but it will work.

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 10:10:14PM @lady-in-black:

Thank you for this information I really appreciate it.

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/14/17 10:43:57PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

I've aleady told Randy that he's an encyclopedia.

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Randy
link 03/17/17 09:32:03PM @randy:

Thank you. A bit of an over statement, but thank you anyway.Happy

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/14/17 10:39:49PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Here's a clue....WE ARE ALL REAL AMERICANS!!!!!

Not me. Although I am a NORTH AMERICAN. So that doesn't make me UNAMERICAN.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 09:54:31PM @cerenkov:

And not Dreamers...

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Krishna
link 03/14/17 04:42:05PM @krishna:

Democrats and progressives think it un American to disagree with them and their extremist world view. 

In some cases. Its true in some instances, but not others. Its an over-generalization, and like most generalizations its symptomatic of fuzzy thinking.

As well as a good example of letting one's personal political biases hinder one's ability to think rationally.

(And similarly, you could also say that Republicans and reactionaries think it un American to disagree with them and their extremist world view. Which is also true-- in some instances).

But then-- you already knew that! (Or did you...???)

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lady in black
link 03/14/17 02:04:12PM @lady-in-black:

Pot meet kettle.....um remember the Dixie Chicks.....oh how soon we forget...if you are not with us you are against us.....Palin - the "real" america.....I could go on and on.

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The_Jewel
link 03/14/17 03:15:51PM @the-jewel:

I can find many Russian comrades who are far more American than many of the left wingers we encounter nowadays. The later are simply members of the lucky sperm club.

 

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A. Macarthur
link 03/14/17 04:33:17PM @a-macarthur:

I can find many Russian comrades who are far more American than many of the left wingers we encounter nowadays.

And by coming to that conclusion, you are implying that Americans of the left, are …

UNAMERICAN!

And consequently … YOU ARE DOING THE VERY THING YOU ACCUSE THEM OF DOING!

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 10:33:36PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Not necessarily, A.Mac. It's possible that many Russkie Comrades are more American than they are Russkies. I could give you an example from my own family where my Russian aunt and her husband who lived in Canada were more Canadian than they were Russkies. What about my uncle who joined the International brigade in Spain and then served with the Canadian army in WWII Holland?

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Randy
link 03/14/17 03:39:27PM @randy:

Perhaps they should stop doing some of the un-American things mentioned above? Because many of them in the article are...

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A. Macarthur
link 03/14/17 04:00:43PM @a-macarthur:

“What does religious freedom mean if we would use it as a cover for hate and privilege?” 
― DaShanne Stokes

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Randy
link 03/14/17 04:05:36PM @randy:

Some people, including some on NT, wrap themselves in the flag and/or wave a bible and think that gives them leave to express their bigotry and hate because of their supposed patriotism or hypocritical faith. It does not.

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Sean Treacy
link 03/14/17 04:05:42PM @s:

its been going on all century.

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PJ
link 03/14/17 04:55:17PM @pj:

X - I do not want you to be banned.  I may not like what some say, I may not like their political views and some things may hurt my feelings but I've never advocated for any member past or present to be disciplined or banned.  That's simply not who I am.  Plus, I have a funny bone and you tickle mine.    

As far as this article is concerned.....I don't agree with the overall title but do agree that there are some factions of democrats that take things to the extreme but this is the country we have now.  Right against left.  As I've said a number of times on this forum, I don't want to be forced to adopt policies and practices that I cannot morally agree with under this vulgar President and his corrupt Administration.  I'd be happy for the country to split.   

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jwc2blue
link 03/14/17 05:02:08PM @jwc2blue:

  I may not like what some say, I may not like their political views and some things may hurt my feelings but I've never advocated for any member past or present to be disciplined or banned.

Nobody on the left has.

They simply can't admit that the personal responsibility they demand of others applies to themselves as well.

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Sean Treacy
link 03/14/17 05:04:56PM @s:

Nobody on the left has

They just use the forum to wish for people's death, brag about how good they are stalking people and advocate for the murder of innocent cops based on fake news. 

 

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Dowser
link 03/16/17 12:01:09PM @dowser:

Sean, is this you?

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/16/17 11:49:40PM @xxjefferson51:

I thought that referred to JWC, John, Kavika, and Amac.  good onewaving

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Kavika
link 03/17/17 12:01:55AM @kavika:

Credit where credit is due....You had a thought, XX....Applause.thumbs up

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Randy
link 03/17/17 12:14:25AM @randy:

Today...March 16th...2017....at 9:12 PST...XX had a thought!

Mark this day down as it will soon be as big of a celebration as Cinco de Mayo! Bring on the Cervezas! Let's celebrate our Hispanic friends! Both legal and illegal! Ye Ha!

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 07:40:35AM @a-macarthur:

A Requim is in order, Randy.

While It is true that XX had a thought, I am sad to report that by 3:00 AM, EDST this morning, that thought ...

... Died of loneliness.

Should he experience thoughts in the future ...

Scratch that.

What the hell was thinking?

Note: I deem it somewhat interesting, if not oxymoronic, to blame Sean and company of "broad brushing" ... 

... When it is virtually impossible to do so while having no paint.

But, I hasten to add, were they to come into possession of paint, virtually as quickly as that paint was brushed, it would dry and become ... 

FLAKE news.

Well stated don't you think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/17/17 10:02:19AM @xxjefferson51:

vomitthumbs downliar

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Kavika
link 03/17/17 10:06:58AM @kavika:

Another brilliant response. XX must be at a loss for words which is not unusual.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:14:42AM @a-macarthur:

Hi boys and girls, it's time for "Cartoon Corner."

And, for the grown ups, we have a discussion forum.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 10:30:30AM @cerenkov:

Another insightful comment.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:33:43AM @a-macarthur:

Congratulations, Cerenkov; for the longest time I didn't believe you knew what an insightful comment was ... Let alone actually making one yourself.

Who knew?

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 10:32:02AM @cerenkov:

What a pointless comment. You should stick with cut & painting other people's ideas.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 10:41:50AM @a-macarthur:

Unlike yourself, I respect the intelligent comments of others and do not hesitate from sharing their expertise ... Another way of stating this is "sharing information that is salient and relevant to a given discussion."

When you mock people for sharing what they have discovered via the search for knowledge, you personify the biblical thing regarding the casting of pearls.

Ya' know, before that and other phrases were printed in copies of the Bible, they had to be copied/cut and pasted before going to press.

Mockery precedes understanding.

 

 

 

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 11:24:40AM @cerenkov:

laughing dude

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The_Jewel
link 03/17/17 12:00:41PM @the-jewel:

Do you shout at people from your front porch?

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/17/17 12:21:07PM @xxjefferson51:

It's likely his union negotiating strategy.  

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 12:38:29PM @a-macarthur:

It's likely his union negotiating strategy.  

It's more likely that you know nothing about negotiating strategy.

And where my career has nothing to do with a given discussion, IT'S OFF TOPIC AND BORDERS ON A PERSONAL INSULT.

By the way, you and your partner in ad hominem are derailing the discussion.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 05:16:35PM @xxjefferson51:

The seed was derailed the instant you first appeared on it.  

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A. Macarthur
link 03/18/17 06:29:04PM @a-macarthur:

The seed was derailed the instant you first appeared on it.  

You derailed it by calling viable rebuttal … a "derail'. And your friends played along.

It's a dishonest tactic and a cowardly ploy to evade real debate!

Stop doing it.

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jwc2blue
link 03/17/17 12:41:25PM @jwc2blue:

It's likely his union negotiating strategy.  

I see you've abandoned your articles where your sorry ass has been handed to you.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 12:35:07PM @a-macarthur:

Do you shout at people from your front porch?

Another empty can with nothing to say joins the font police.

I do shout at some people from my front porch … 

… but to the intentionally hard-of-hearing, I hand out bumper stickers.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 05:23:18PM @cerenkov:

"...I hand out bumper stickers."

That does sound like the liberal media strategy...

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 05:43:53PM @a-macarthur:

 


"...I hand out bumper stickers."

That does sound like the liberal media strategy...

It took a little longer today for the Pee Wee Herman "rebuttal" to be used … but … we now have it.

I used to hand out books …

… but after some of you guys tore off the covers and ate the pages, I figured … "bad idea".

Keep the comments comin' boys … I like ganging up on you.*

* Gunny was correct … I can be arrogant.

And to the deserving … comes the arrogance (although it is indeed to my discredit).

It's something I just have to live with.

 

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 07:16:01PM @cerenkov:

" I can be arrogant"

If only your arrogance was justified rather than sophomoric...

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 07:47:58PM @a-macarthur:

" I can be arrogant"

If only your arrogance was justified rather than sophomoric...

Quit with the feigned modesty …

You earned it.

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 08:04:32PM @cerenkov:

And he doubles down... It would have been more effective with CAPS...

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 08:57:24PM @a-macarthur:

And he doubles down... It would have been more effective with CAPS...

Right! Still have nothing substantive to say …

SO YOU DO THE AD HOMINEM THING!


How's that?

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 09:08:50PM @cerenkov:

Pot meet kettle. Kettle is a little slow...

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 11:11:46PM @sixpick:

Nobody on the left has

They just use the forum to wish for people's death, brag about how good they are stalking people and advocate for the murder of innocent cops based on fake news. 

You said it all in that one statement Sean.  I was being stalked just like I saw Jefferson being stalked.  No one did anything about it and it was obvious as it could be.  I know Jefferson has lied about sending notices when he didn't.  

When he first appeared on this site there were several members who were determined to rid this site of Jefferson, but he has trudged along, just like the Trump and continues to put interesting articles on this site, some click bait and some not, but with all the fussing and criticizing he doesn't let it bother him, he keeps doing his thing.  I think that is what bothers them so much, they can't get him to break.  LOL

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Randy
link 03/17/17 12:25:14AM @randy:

Disagreeing With Democrats Is Now Considered Un-American


I agree! It is NOT un-American! It's just incredibly politically wrong. Just look at the circus and the head clown in the White House now. The rest of the world is constantly swinging back and forth between laughing at us and terrified of what that dangerous mental midget compulsive liar in the oval office will do or say next. Thanks to Trump the United States of America is the laughingstock of the entire world. The rest of the world thinks America is fucking nuts because Trump has his diapered ass in the Presidents chair. It is time for Americans traveling abroad to tear their American flags back off from their backpacks and put the Canadian ones back on.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 11:55:57AM @a-macarthur:

Out of deference to Perrie … who hates when these discussions turn into pissin' contests, I am about to take myself out of this one …

BUT BEFORE I DO … make no mistake … it turned into one when the seeder could not rebut counter-points, requested that such counter points be removed, then proceeded to transform the discussion into "shoot the messenger" … and his pack of (pardon the irony) "dogs" came to assist THE VERY DERAILING XX BROUGHT ON himself.

TO XX AND OTHERS WHO KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO …

The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine by a 9–0 decision in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire. It held that "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" are among the "well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech the prevention and punishment of [which] … have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem."

There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.

— Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 1942
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Dowser
link 03/17/17 12:26:56PM @dowser:

You want Un-American?  I'll give you Un-American:

My husband won't eat apple pie.  It all has something to do with an aunt, during the Civil War, who was forced, at gunpoint, to fix a huge dinner for the Union Army at her home.  So, she made them some apple pies, and added rat poisoning, (arsenic), to the pie.  None of them lived through the night...

It's really sad, because it is one of the things I do fairly well-- following my Grandma's recipe.  But, he won't eat it on a bet. 

Now, THAT'S Un-American!  winking

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The_Jewel
link 03/17/17 12:38:42PM @the-jewel:

If you look up un-American in the dictinonary you'll find a picture of BHO.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/17/17 12:58:48PM @xxjefferson51:
You got that right.  Obama hated us so much he wanted to transform us in a way we wouldn't recognize our country anymore.  The least transparent regime ever.
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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 12:59:39PM @a-macarthur:

If you look up un-American in the dictinonary you'll find a picture of BHO.

Hey, Dude  … how would you know where to look in the dictionary …

… when you can't spell "dictionary"?

 

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Randy
link 03/17/17 01:23:39PM @randy:

laughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dudelaughing dude

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Kavika
link 03/17/17 02:05:08PM @kavika:

If you going to make statements like such. You should at the very least spell it correctly...Laugh

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The_Jewel
link 03/18/17 02:29:38PM @the-jewel:

I really don't care if my keyboard fucks up.  I forgive it.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/17/17 01:39:42PM @xxjefferson51:

The grammar/ spelling/typo nazi has struck again.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 02:09:38PM @a-macarthur:

The grammar/ spelling/typo nazi has struck again.

Grammar and the proper spelling of words are among the most basic of learned skills … therefor, correcting those who appear to lack those skills … is a service.

Attacking font choices on the other hand, is for those who have nothing to add other than attacking those whose font choices drive them nuts, and, those who assist others in developing adult-level spelling and grammar.

And you are obviously dense to the point where you failed to appreciate the irony of a comment directing people to a metaphorical dictionary … WHILE MISSPELLING THE WORD "DICTIONARY"!

Enjoy the fonts though.

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 03:17:58PM @dowser:

We all have our favorite typos-- my personal favorite is "snad and garvel"-- and some have even worked their way into the general lexicon of our family, like Ursters, (oysters), Hysterical Marker, (historical marker), etc.  But we can all do a better job of proofreading our work...  ME TOO!!

Part of my problem is that I'm typing on my lap top, in bed, most of the time, so I don't always put my hands in the right place...  And then, I'll hit something wrong and suddenly be typing in Chinese.  winking

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 12:40:27PM @gunny:

laughing dudelaughing dudeBig hugs

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 03:14:17PM @dowser:

Love you, Gunny!  Big hugs  Thanks for recognizing it was a joke-- and that I was trying to lighten the atmosphere...

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 10:46:01PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

@ Dowser

"It's really sad, because it is one of the things I do fairly well-- following my Grandma's recipe.  But, he won't eat it on a bet." 

Maybe it's because he thinks you really DO follow your Grandma's recipe - which is how she got rid of her unwanted guests. LOL

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 02:18:55PM @dowser:

It was his side of the family-- not mine...  winking

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96WS6
link 03/17/17 03:49:24PM @96ws6:

This is confusing.    I thought if I disagreed with a liberal I was either racist, Homophobe, Islamaphobe, woman hater or Deplorable.   Now I am Un-American too!?!?   Will anyone ever be able to disagree with a liberal again without being labeled?   

  I remember a time when liberals championed free speech.  Now they only seem to champion socialism.

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Dean Moriarty
link 03/17/17 03:55:37PM @dean-moriarty:

Once you get to the point that you don't care what they think life gets a lot better. 

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 03:57:45PM @dowser:

My question:  Do you eat apple pie?

If so, I'd say that you're an American, without a doubt!  winking

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96WS6
link 03/17/17 07:18:25PM @96ws6:

It is my favorite pie!

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 09:09:04PM @dowser:

Someday, I'll make you one!  I love baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolets...  thumbs up

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 09:11:43PM @cerenkov:

I'm going to have to draw the line at Chevrolet...

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 09:17:23PM @dowser:

I've had good Chevrolets and some bad ones.  But, going from Ford, (Fix Or Repair Daily), to a Chevrolet was a real treat, years ago...   thumbs up

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 09:22:37PM @gunny:

Not a chevy fan, never have been it was either ford or dodge for me.  and right now Ford is the best thing on the market for first empressions up to a year and for longevity. More fords on the road than any other manufacturer.  F-150 has out sold all other trucks 40 years straight and they keep them longer.

 

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Dowser
link 03/17/17 09:24:47PM @dowser:

Well, I had a Pinto and then I had a Grenada.  Speaking literally, pieces of the would fall off as I drove down the highway...  As I say, this was years ago.  They may be great cars, now!  The old F150s were a good truck!  Just like Timex, they took a licking and kept on ticking...

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Cerenkov
link 03/17/17 09:53:27PM @cerenkov:

I'll stick with my Lexus...

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Gunny
link 03/18/17 01:30:19PM @gunny:

I had a Toyota 2007 Camry Hybrid ran it for a couple years, gave it to my daughter.  I'll never have another Toyota.

 

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 02:39:25PM @dowser:

I've driven 2 Subarus for 12 years.  As far as dependability and reliability, they're the best cars I've ever had.  I love the AWD and especially the room inside the body of the car.  I'm not sitting so far down, like being dragged along the road, and can get in and out easier.  

I've ridden in Lexus cars, that my husband fixes and then test drives, and they are very nice cars.  I'm constantly hauling dogs and teenagers around, and would be a bit leery of allowing all that in such a fancy car-- but that's just me.  The Outback is my work horse and a good one!  thumbs up

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 05:27:48PM @xxjefferson51:

I've had a Volkswagen, Ford, 2 Hyundais, a Chrysler, a Chevy and now a Kia in that order.  The two Hyundais and the Kia have been the best.  Now most of both are American made.  

 

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Randy
link 03/17/17 11:01:31PM @randy:

Well, I had a Pinto

I had a 1973 Pinto in the Air Force that I bought when it was 6 months old for only $1500 and I loved it! It was painted "Ivy Glow Glamour" which is really just dark green mini metal flake. I had the rear end lifted up with helper springs and put 50 series GoodYear raised white lettered racing tires on the back and 70 series on the front with ET spun aluminum wheels all around. The tires and wheels cost almost as much as the car. From the back it looked like it was all tires.

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 11:14:36PM @gunny:

I had a Pinto runabout 1973 got over 100,000 miles on it even with a tooth out of the flywheel. even got hit in the rear by aFord LTD and only pout a hole in the LTD front bumper. Nothing to my car.  Took a trip from Tulsa to Oklahoma City about 250 miles got 52 mpg. of course at that time the speed limit was 55. 

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Gunny
link 03/17/17 11:14:56PM @gunny:

I had a Pinto runabout 1973 got over 100,000 miles on it even with a tooth out of the flywheel. even got hit in the rear by aFord LTD and only pout a hole in the LTD front bumper. Nothing to my car.  Took a trip from Tulsa to Oklahoma City about 250 miles got 52 mpg. of course at that time the speed limit was 55. 

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Randy
link 03/17/17 11:34:25PM @randy:

Mine was a runabout too. I used to be able to fill it up when it was on fumes at the base gas station for about $2.50. In the winter time in North Dakota I drove it onto a frozen lake one time and has a ball spinning it all over. Those wide tires meant it was hard to keep on the road on the ice, but in the summer that little 2000cc engine had a real kick to it and it was fast off the line. A female friend and I (she had a Vega wagon) used to take my Pinto up to Winnipeg to go pub crawling a lot on weekends in the summer. It was easy to take a nap in too. All you had to do was to flip up the hatchback, put the back seat down, lean one of the front seats forward and stretch out. I had a CB radio in it with a 102 inch whip antenna on the rear bumper and kept it folded forward into a clip made for it by the front door. Great car!

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 12:17:26AM @sixpick:

Talk about a runabout!!!  I bought an old Volvo when I left Rantoul, Illinois after tech school in the Air Force.  I bought it for $100.  I had to rig a switch up for the brake lights.  I sprayed a big Peace Sign on the back of it, put an old 12 volt car battery in the floor of the bad seat.  It had just enough power left in it to drive an 8-track player, plus the two speakers I placed in the backseat as well.  The windshield wipers didn't work.  I drove it from Rantoul, Illinois all the way to Fayetteville, NC when I left tech school before going overseas.  I drove it around a big cow pasture for a month before I went overseas.  It broke down on my the next to the last day before I left and we had to pull it to the house with a tractor and parked it out by the woods.  When I came home after serving in Okinawa and Taiwan, it was still there.  My Daddy said someone had bought it and paid him $100, but never came and got it.  Later another fellow bought it for another $100 and hauled it off.  

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 02:21:53PM @dowser:

My Pinto died at 53,000 miles.  EGAD.  Daddy came down to my school to work on it, and the weather was so bad, the hood had frozen to the body, and he couldn't even get the hood up.  So, in a snit, he kicked the grill in.  I don't blame him.

I loved the hatchback, but could do without the water pump, the oil pump, etc., going out...

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TTGA
link 03/19/17 11:21:24PM @ttga:

Dowser, have an absolutely great one that goes with the story. 

In the early 1930's, my dad, while still living at home, bought a used Model A Ford that wasn't working.  He started working on it in his parent's front yard and, after much hard labor, thought he had it fixed.  Since it didn't have a starter, he had to crank the engine.  With the first crank, it backfired, spun the crank backward causing it to smack him hard across the knuckles.  He gave out with some appropriate language (and he knew some very appropriate language for a situation like that), pulled the crank out of it's socket and threw it right through the radiator.  My grandfather had been sitting on the porch watching him the whole time.  He just laughed and asked my dad, "So what are you going to do now, smartass"?  If nothing else, it taught dad to think before destroying equipment.

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Dowser
link 03/21/17 12:29:30PM @dowser:

The Pinto had a gap-toothed grin for the rest of its life...  I didn't blame Daddy one bit!  thumbs up  He did what I wanted to do but didn't have the guts to do...

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TTGA
link 03/18/17 12:21:12AM @ttga:

In January of 1973, my wife and I worked our way up the Ford line.  I returned to Long Beach after my last deployment and she flew out from Wisconsin after selling our 66 Corvair.  Didn't bring the Corvair out since I was due for discharge soon.  To get from LAX to Long Beach, and for a few days after, she rented a Pinto from Hertz.  When the discharge came through, in order to get our stuff back to the airport, we rented a Maverick.  Then, once we got back home, we needed a car.  Went up to Pinconning and bought a used 68 Mustang.  Of the three, the Mustang was the best, the Pinto second and the Maverick was junk (unreliable and underpowered for the body weight).

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/17/17 10:51:19PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Don't eat the pie if she's using her grandma's recipe, it could be fatal.

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 01:34:56PM @dowser:

It was my husband's great-great-great aunt, not mine!  winking

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Buzz of the Orient
link 03/18/17 08:05:13PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Oh, okay, then your genetics will not cause you to inherit that propensity, but don't teach that "special" recipe to your descendants.

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 08:08:44PM @dowser:

Only have the one, and he isn't into pie baking...  Besides, there is no rat poison in the house, period!  I have cats and dogs.  If it can be gotten into, it will...  I'll be good, Buzz!  Don't worry!

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A. Macarthur
link 03/17/17 04:35:18PM @a-macarthur:

This is confusing.    I thought if I disagreed with a liberal I was either racist, Homophobe, Islamaphobe, woman hater or Deplorable.   Now I am Un-American too!?!?   Will anyone ever be able to disagree with a liberal again without being labeled?   

  I remember a time when liberals championed free speech.  Now they only seem to champion socialism.

If/when you take such an article literally and accept it as "gospel," you're going to be confused, 96. And from your comment, it seems you've taken many a right-wing-originated stereotype of liberals … literally.

It's a major reason for the division in America … generalization, stereotyping, broad-brush painting …

I don’t believe in stereotypes. I prefer to hate people on a more personal basis. – Benjamin Franklin

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PJ
link 03/17/17 04:41:02PM @pj:

I'm confused why Trump supporters are confused.  Isn't the new norm to not take others literally but seriously or is it that we're not supposed to take other seriously but literally or is it that we are supposed to apply alternative facts or maybe it's the fake news unless we site it to support a lie we're trying to peddle.........?  

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Randy
link 03/17/17 04:51:35PM @randy:

I think you have it exactly right...or maybe you don't...well you're close on the literately part...or is it the seriously part.....personally I just take everything Trump and the White House says as a lie and go from there.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 08:13:07PM @xxjefferson51:

We had to take everything that came out of the White House as fake news and lies for the last eight years.  

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dennis smith
link 03/19/17 10:28:21PM @dennis-smith:

 @It's a major reason for the division in America … generalization, stereotyping, broad-brush painting …A-Macarthur:

That pretty much sums up what has happened in the USA with Dems and Repubs. Independents have the power to make change and we need it. 

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The_Jewel
link 03/21/17 12:33:36PM @the-jewel:

Fuhgeddahboudit!   It's over.

The truth is virtually impossible to find these days, unless I suppose if you are a Russian hacker.

 

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Randy
link 03/17/17 10:35:06PM @randy:

For example, the other day I posted something incorrect about how the glass door on microwave ovens work. I had heard that they functioned one way, but Gunny corrected me. He did not call me a liar, because I was not lying, I was just stating something that I had heard and put a question mark at the end of the sentence.

Donald Trump on the other hand (as has been shown by promising to help coal miners and then screwing them in his budget or lying about Obama wiretapping him) is incapable of not lying.

See how that works?

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 11:50:55PM @sixpick:

Donald Trump on the other hand (as has been shown by promising to help coal miners and then screwing them in his budget or lying about Obama wiretapping him) is incapable of not lying.

Maybe he was just being like Obama, he kept reading about it in the news.  You do remember all those unnamed, anonymous informers in high positions in the government who were giving them the inside scoop every day, don't you? The MSM and all the Liberal sites were pushing this idea for months.  They were alright with pushing the idea of all the connections between Trump and the Russians until they became aware if they continued to either tell the truth or lie, they were going to get Obama in trouble if there was any truth in it since he would be investigating the other candidate meaning Trump while supporting the other candidate, Hillary.  That would be bad news.  They had to take that inside knowledge off the table and find something else to talk about once they became aware of that.

So either there really was investigating going on or there wasn't, which means either the MSM was telling the truth or they were lying.  Now if they were telling the truth, Obama's administration was doing what they do in third world countries to their opposing candidates.

Now we know something is corrupt when a hard drive is subpoenaed and the person in possession of that hard drive is not charged for destroying it, don't we?  Can anyone say that is not a crime in itself, not to mention all the other crimes, lying to Congress etc?  

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sixpick
link 03/17/17 11:59:53PM @sixpick:

I put question marks at the end of the last two sentences by updating them as I realized I hadn't done it the first time, but right now they still don't have question marks at the end of them.  I expect they will by the time someone reads this.  I updated it, I then refreshed it and then I updated it again, but the question marks were still not there.

I was using Explorer, then Firefox and now Chrome and with all three of them I still have this problem.  I sent Perrie a screen shot some time back, because when I would post a comment, the screen would start showing every comment as it scrolled on its on until it reached my comment.  Strange.  She said she had never seen that before.  I thought it may be just my computer, but when it did it on my phone as well, you know, I just accepted it.  I don't know if I am the only one who has experienced anything like this.  I understand it is a pain to keep everything working as I deal with complaints I've never personally seen from people as well.

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 12:06:40AM @sixpick:

And now the question marks are there.  Also even after I post this comment I will have to refresh to get it out of this black here.  I'm accustomed to this now and work around it.  If this is happening to any other members or especially new members, it could be too confusing.  Maybe I'm the only one who has had this happen to them.  I do update quite often as I see the mistakes I've made, maybe not all of them, but enough to make me want to correct those I see.

Most people make much shorter comments or just copy/paste and I guess get it right the first time.

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pat wilson
link 03/18/17 12:17:32AM @pat-wilson:

I post comments of different lengths, and often edit the longer ones, sometimes more than once. And sometimes I get it right the first time. Never had an issue with the site scrolling by itself. Ghost in the machine ??

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 12:25:26AM @sixpick:

Not seeing the scrolling thing happening now or at least tonight.  If I had to guess, I'd say what should be happening behind the scenes is actually happening in real time on the screen when that happens.  Beats me, not happening now.  What is happening now is after I click to post this comment it will post, but it will still be at the bottom of the screen not as you see it, but as you would see yours as you're typing it before you post it.  In order for me to get rid of it, I have to refresh the screen and then it is only where it should be, in the article.  At this point I haven't posted it, but when I do it will still be just as it is in the box before you click "Post Your Comment".  Then I just refresh and the box disappears, comment is only in the article.

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TTGA
link 03/18/17 12:51:08AM @ttga:

the screen would start showing every comment as it scrolled on its on until it reached my comment.

Six,

I don't think that's a problem with the site.  I suspect that, like me, you are using a Polaroid wireless optical mouse or it's equivalent.  To save battery power, it shuts off automatically after a couple of minutes.  In order to restart the laser, you have to press a small button located behind the scrolling wheel.  I've found that, if you are scrolling down with the wheel and your finger accidentally presses that restart button, it causes a button to appear on the screen and that starts automatically scrolling down.  Sometimes you don't notice the button on the screen and wonder what the hell is happening (at least I did until I figured it out).  To stop it, all you have to do is left click the mouse.

Hope this helps.

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 07:03:24PM @sixpick:

Six,

I don't think that's a problem with the site.  I suspect that, like me, you are using a Polaroid wireless optical mouse or it's equivalent.

Thank you TTGA.  I do have a wireless mouse, but no button.  It's the same mouse I've been using for quite some time.  The problem started long after I started using this mouse.  I will pay attention to your information to narrow the problem down.  It hasn't been doing the automatic scrolling lately though, so that is not a problem.

The problem I have is when I want to update a comment, it doesn't update.  When I finish updating it and click "Update" it remains the same.  I can do this over and over along with refreshing the screen over and over and sometimes I think a certain time has gone by and it has updated.  I think it is more dependent on the time than anything else.

Like I said, I can go look at another article and come back later and it has updated.  So if a person puts something up and updates it, the original comment will remain there even if that person updates it for a limited amount of time no matter what they do, even if they update it a dozen times combining refreshing the screen.

As far as my phone, I am aware if I want to change something in a comment, I have to go where I want to delete backward until I get to the part where I want to correct and continue to type.  If the location is on the far right side and that is where I want to start deleting, it's impossible to start there because the scroll button, even though you can't see it will scroll you back to the top of the article.  So I have learned to start deleting on the next line somewhere in the middle and continue until I get to a location I can start typing again and finish the sentence.  That's no problem and understandable why it happens the way it does.  You just can't touch the right side of the screen on your phone or it will scroll back to the top.

I'm not complaining about any of this.  I'm only offering my experience and maybe others have similar experiences in order to help with any problems we may be having.  As a new member, not familiar with these problems, I could see how it would be confusing to them and not be beneficial to continued participation.

I can tell you what.  It's not a bad idea to copy your comment after you're finished with it and then post it.  I've lost several I've spent too much time on and they're gone forever at that point.  And it's not a bad idea after copying it and posting it to refresh the screen, because if you don't you will think it didn't post and that's the way you end up with 2 or 3 comments that are all the same.  And for those who don't know, you can put your cursor in the top right side of any of those extra comments and choose "Trash" and delete them, so you'll only be left with one posting.

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Dowser
link 03/18/17 08:28:35PM @dowser:

I've had the update problem before, too...  Not the scrolling, but updating can be tricky at times.  My problem lately, has been that all at once, I reach a spot on the page and everything is written in Chinese...  I can't fix it, update it, etc.  So I just delete it, leave the site, shut down the computer, and come back on...  That seems to fix it.

It's probably me, having hit the wrong keys...  

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 09:54:00PM @sixpick:

everything is written in Chinese

That's when you need to copy it and send it to Buzz and let his wife translate it for you.  Seems you're being hacked by the Chinese Dowser. LOL

Don't buy any apple pies from China!!!!!

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 12:28:28AM @sixpick:

Comment and after posting.jpg

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pat wilson
link 03/18/17 12:33:53AM @pat-wilson:

I have that too, I guess its a glitch in the site. I always refresh after posting so I don't end up posting twice.

 

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Randy
link 03/18/17 12:37:11AM @randy:

Sometimes, if it hasn't been too long, I cut the corrected message from the correctable box and then delete the original message that won't correct and report the corrected one.

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sixpick
link 03/18/17 10:03:15PM @sixpick:

That was the very very short version of how long it takes it to finish scrolling.  It's like walking through a briar patch.  A lot of work goes a short distance.  Really puts a damper on things.

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A. Macarthur
link 03/18/17 11:37:02AM @a-macarthur:

XX post articles consisting of editorial content that create "LIBERAL STRAW MEN" for the purpose of knocking them down so as to claim or imply "CONSERVATIVE SUPERIORITY," "EXPERTISE-AUTHENTICITY," "THE PATRIOTIC and POLITICAL HIGH GROUND."

These articles, when debunked, rebutted, corrected for the purpose of accuracy and/or called out for what they actually are rather than what they purport to be, are met with a cadre of quippers, mockers, insulters who DO EVERYTHING BUT DEFEND THE GENERALLY INDEFENSIBLE, broad brush pronouncement and denigration upon which they are predicated.

In the place of point-counter-point discussion, we see attacks on FONT CHOICES, on methods of conveying factual information … everything but honest dialogue.

And, when the usuals have nothing whatsoever to add in the way of substance … they post a cartoon emoticon, which ironically, is fittingly representative of the shallowness of intellect required to post it.

Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 12:42:25PM @xxjefferson51:

So, have you responded to my note to you in your role as a moderator regarding the other seed yet?

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Cerenkov
link 03/18/17 12:48:39PM @cerenkov:

MORe inSIghTFUL COmments.

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XXJefferson#51
link 03/18/17 01:05:27PM @xxjefferson51:

In his defense he did deal promptly with a matter I asked about on another seed.  As many differences as we have on every issue out there, he seems fair as a moderator.  thumbs up

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A. Macarthur
link 03/18/17 12:57:14PM @a-macarthur:

MORe inSIghTFUL COmments.

thumbs down

Which, as usual, generated your un-insightful response … although it does INCITE.

Close, but no cigar.

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Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 10:56:49PM @cerenkov:

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