Tim Allen on Hollywood’s Anti-Trump Thought Police: It’s Like ’30s Germany’

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Tim Allen opened up briefly about what it means to be a conservative in Hollywood in 2017 during an interview with late-night host Jimmy Kimmel Thursday night, explaining that one must be “real careful” in talking about President Donald Trump or else risk being beaten up.


“You’ve gotta be real careful around here. You get beat up if you don’t believe what everybody believes,” the 63-year-old Last Man Standing star told Kimmel when asked about his attendance at Trump’s inauguration in January.

“This is like ’30s Germany. I don’t know what happened,” he added. “If you’re not part of the group, ‘you know what we believe is right,’ I go, ‘Well, I might have a problem with that.'”

Allen told Kimmel he had never been to anything like Trump’s inauguration before.

“This government does stuff big,” he said. “Just so many people, and when they show up, you know, the ex-president gets in a helicopter and there’s jets and marines taking him this way and there’s parades, but it looks like a Cadillac parade, everything was just rows of Cadillacs.”

“My kids were going, ‘Is this the parade?’ It’s like black Cadillac after black Cadillac and then a tractor,” he joked.

Allen was one of the few celebrities with positive things to say about Trump during the 2016 campaign. The comedian complimented Trump in January of last year, telling the Hollywood Reporter that Trump seemed like a candidate who “might be able to do the stuff that really needs fixing.”

“Give that guy the roads, bridges, infrastructure, power grid — just have him fix that sh*t for four years. He’s good at that,” the actor said at the time. “And he’s a businessman so he understands how debt load works.”

In an interview with Megyn Kelly after the election, Allen called out anti-Trump celebrities in Hollywood for being “hypocritical” during the 2016 campaign.

“What I find odd in Hollywood is that they didn’t like Trump because he was a bully,” Allen told Kelly. “But if you had any kind of inkling that you were for Trump, you got bullied for doing that. And it gets a little bit hypocritical to me.”

In his sit-down with Kimmel Thursday night, Allen also joked about how Americans are willing to embrace ever increasing surveillance as long as we recognize the brands associated with it.

“If the government drove down the street in a gray sedan with a camera on it, you’d be rioting, going to Washington,” he said. “But if it’s white, with emojis and ‘Google’ on it, hey, you’re waving at it! They’re taking pictures of your house!”

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sixpick
link 03/19/17 08:48:48PM @sixpick:

Hillary's campaign staff:

The full RSVP list for Benenson’s gathering is shown in an attachment on a separate email:


This is an off-the-record cocktails with the key national reporters, especially (though not exclusively) those that are based in New York. Much of the group includes influential reporters, anchors and editors.

The goals of the dinner include:
(1) Give reporters their first thoughts from team HRC in advance of the announcement
(2) Setting expectations for the announcement and launch period
(3) Framing the HRC message and framing the race
(4) Enjoy a Frida night drink before working more

TIME/DATE: As a reminder, this is called for 6:30 p.m. on Friday, April 10th .

There are several attendees – including Diane Sawyer – who will be there promptly at 6:30 p.m. but have to leave by 7 p.m.

FOOD: This will include cocktails and passed hours devours.

REPORTER RSVPs

YES
1. ABC – Cecilia Vega
2. ABC – David Muir
3. ABC – Diane Sawyer
4. ABC – George Stephanoplous [sic]
5. ABC – Jon Karl
6. Bloomberg – John Heillman [sic]
7. Bloomberg – Mark Halperin
8. CBS – Norah O’Donnell
9. CBS – Vicki Gordon
10. CNN – Brianna Keilar
11. CNN – David Chalian
12. CNN – Gloria Borger
13. CNN – Jeff Zeleny
14. CNN – John Berman
15. CNN – Kate Bouldan [sic]
16. CNN – Mark Preston
17. CNN – Sam Feist
18. Daily Beast – Jackie Kucinich
19. GPG – Mike Feldman
20. Huffington Post – Whitney Snyder
21. MORE – Betsy Fisher Martin
22. MSNBC – Alex Wagner
23. MSNBC – Beth Fouhy
24. MSNBC – Phil Griffin
25. MSNBC – Rachel Maddow (TBD)
26. MSNBC – Rachel Racusen
27. NBC – Savannah Gutherie [sic]
28. New Yorker – Ryan Liza [sic]
29. NYT – Amy Chozik [sic]
30. NYT – Gail Collins
31. NYT – Jonathan Martin
32. NYT – Maggie Haberman
33. NYT – Pat Healey [sic]
34. PEOPLE – Sandra Sobieraj Westfall
35. POLITICO – Glenn Thrush
36. POLITICO – Mike Allen
37. VICE – Alyssa Mastramonoco [sic]
38. VOX – Jon Allen

UNKNOWN
1. Bloomberg/MSNBC – Jonathan Alter
2. Buzzfeed – Ben Smith
3. CBS – Gayle King
4. CBS – John Dickerson
5. MSNBC – Ed Schultz
6. MSNBC – Joe Scarborough
7. New Yorker – David Remnick
8. Tina Brown
9. UNIVISION – Maria-Elena Salinas
10. YAHOO – Matt Bai

DECLINED
1. CNN – Jake Taper [sic]
2. CNN – Jeff Zucker
3. Huffington Post – Arianna Huffington
4. Huffington Post – Sam Stein
5. NBC – Chuck Todd
6. NYT – Carolyn Ryan
7. CNN – Erin Burnett
8. NPR – Mike Oreskes
9. MSNBC – Mika Brzezinski
10. MSNBC – Thomas Roberts
11. MSNBC – Andrea Mitchell
12. NY Post – Geofe Earl [sic]

HRC TEAM RSVP (14)
1. John Podesta
2. Robby Mook
3. Huma Abedin
4. Marlon Marshall
5. Amanda Renteria
6. Jennifer Palmieri
7. Kristina Schake
8. Jesse Ferguson
9. Nick Merrill
10. Karen Finney
11. Jim Margolis
12. Joel Benenson
13. John Anzalone
14. Mandy Grunwald


The RSVP list for the event at Podesta’s home reads:


Yes

ABC – Liz Kreutz

Yes

AP – Julie Pace

Yes

AP – Ken Thomas

Yes

AP – Lisa Lerer

AURN – April Ryan

Yes

Bloomberg – Jennifer Epstein

Yes

Buzzfeed – Ruby Cramer

Yes

CBS – Steve Chagaris [sic]

Yes

CNBC – John Harwood

Yes

CNN – Dan Merica

Yes

Huffington Post – Amanda Terkel

NO (Panama)

LAT – Mike Memoli

Yes

LAT – Evan Handler

Yes

McClatchy – Anita Kumar

Yes

MSNBC – Alex Seitz-Wald

Yes

National Journal – Emily Schultheis

Yes

NBC – Mark Murray

Yes

NPR – Tamara Keith

NYT – Amy Chozik [sic]

Yes

NYT – Maggie Haberman

Yes

Politico – Annie Karni

Politico – Gabe Debenedetti

Yes

Reuters – Amanda Becker

The Hill – Amie Parnes

Yes

Washington Post – Anne Gearan

Yes

WSJ – Laura Meckler

Yes

WSJ – Peter Nicholas

Yes

WSJ – Colleen McCain Nelson

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 08:50:20PM @sixpick:

They still have a job to do and are still working at it. 

 
Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 09:39:10PM @cerenkov:

Disappointing collusion.

 
PJ
link 03/19/17 09:29:17PM @pj:

What does Hilary have to do with anything anymore?  You do realize that the election is over and Trump won, right?  

 
TTGA
link 03/19/17 09:44:47PM @ttga:

You do realize that the election is over and Trump won, right? 

We understand it quite well, apparently your party doesn't.

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 09:45:51PM @randy:

He's not my President...

 
Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 09:49:44PM @cerenkov:

If you are a US citizen, he is. Period.

Try that method with paying your taxes.. 

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 10:08:51PM @randy:

There is nothing in the Constitution that says I have to accept him as such, so I don't. My wife feels the same. When I joined the Air Force I took an oath to protect the United States Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. I consider Trump to be both (though mostly a domestic one working at the behest of a foreign one). Therefore to me he is not the President at all. He is an enemy of the state. Not my President. As far as I am concerned there is no real President right now.

 
Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 10:50:09PM @cerenkov:

You're wrong. You don't get a say about deciding if an elected president is your nation's leader. Sorry. Crying about it won't change reality. For you or your wife.

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 11:46:30PM @randy:

Actually yes I can say. Sorry. And you crying about me being able to doesn't change that. Americans do not have to sign or take a loyalty oath, so I don't have to accept him as my President. I can't as I honestly believe him to be a turned Russian asset and an enemy of America. As such he is a criminal and can not be the President.

He is not my President.

 
XXJefferson#51
link 03/20/17 02:27:31AM @xxjefferson51:

So you were fine when a number of us on the right maintained that Obama was not my or our President?  

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 02:46:09AM @randy:

Sure. Why not? You had much less reason, but what the fuck.

Show me the Presidential loyalty oath in the Constitution?

 
pat wilson
link 03/19/17 10:07:18PM @pat-wilson:

What does your first post have to do with your seed ? Your seeded article is about has-been Tim Allen, former star of an over-rated tv sit-com complaining about Hollywood liberals. 

Then you are derail your seed with your first comment, lol. Why not seed two articles ?

 
Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 10:51:23PM @cerenkov:

How's he a has-been?  Because you don't like his show? Or his politics? Syndication argues otherwise. Partisanship can be blinding...

 
pat wilson
link 03/20/17 12:07:28AM @pat-wilson:

He may be getting residuals from "Tool Time". That's the scope of his career now.  ="has-been"

 
JohnRussell
link 03/19/17 09:15:57PM @johnrussell:

Didn't read the article or the comments.

The idea that anyone should be "fair" to Donald trump is absurd. Every day he is in office is a a day of embarrassment and disgrace to this country. 

-

 WaPo’s Rubin: Trump’s ‘Shredded the Credibility’ of the Office and ‘Made a Fool of Himself’ on the World Stage

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 09:23:56PM @sixpick:

That's alright John, I read it for you and everyday I look at the criticism of Trump, deserving or not and I see these journalists are the ones leading the idiots around by the nose.

 
Cerenkov
link 03/19/17 09:39:53PM @cerenkov:

He's part of the problem. Partisanship over nation.

 
PJ
link 03/19/17 10:12:46PM @pj:

We can read the stupid idiotic shit directly from the biggest moron on the planet everyday from his tweets along with the rest of the world.

You can post these articles all you want Six but they will never be able to distract or disguise the truth.  You guys have put our country and the world at risk and I'm loving it.  

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 10:53:13PM @sixpick:

Thanks for your input PJ.  I kind of go along with what Dean said in so many words........  Life gets better when we stop worrying about how the Leftest feel about anything.

Tim Allen is unfortunate he is in the middle of the swamp with those who have no contact with reality.  I'm surprised but supportive of his insight.

 
PJ
link 03/19/17 11:03:35PM @pj:

No prob Six.  Happy to share my endless wisdom and highly sought after opinion.  Speaking of which..... Dean's a kidder. Don't let his dry sense of humor fool ya.  He loves us lefties devil

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 01:03:48AM @sixpick:

Well, we certainly appreciate your endless wisdom, highly sought after opinion and appreciate the entertainment as well PJ.

 
XXJefferson#51
link 03/20/17 02:33:21AM @xxjefferson51:

So you're a lefty now?  When did that happen oh great moderate and balanced one?  

 
TTGA
link 03/19/17 09:40:15PM @ttga:

Donald Trump is, at worst, a political amateur who doesn't know how to play the Washington political game, and doesn't give a damn whether he does or not.

The real most disgraceful embarrassment to this country is that one of our major political parties even thought of nominating a corrupt dirtbag like Hillary Clinton for any office whatsoever.  The Democrats were stupid or corrupt enough to nominate her, she lost (probably the only person in the Democratic Party who would have lost to Trump) and now you've got Trump as President for the next four years, like it or not.  Learn to live with it and stop crying like a little baby.

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 09:43:36PM @randy:

now you've got Trump as President for the next four years

I doubt he makes it through one term...I believe the person running for re-election in 2020 from the GOP will be President Pence.

 
TTGA
link 03/19/17 10:05:40PM @ttga:

I believe the person running for re-election in 2020 from the GOP will be President Pence.

Not unless you can find a lot of turncoat Republican Senators, and there just aren't that many willing to sacrifice their political careers. 

 
pat wilson
link 03/19/17 10:16:14PM @pat-wilson:

there just aren't that many willing to sacrifice their political careers. 

They are rolling the dice by going along as if the meltdown in the WH is not really happening. I kinda feel bad for the vulnerable Republican congressmen as they are between a rock and a hard place. It's time for them to stop humoring the naked emperor and deal with the issues and crises facing our nation.

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 10:37:18PM @randy:

As his popularity continues to drop they will be risking their political careers much more standing by him then deserting him. Besides, he might resign if he gets stuck into an investigation where he has to reveal his finical records or else.

 
TTGA
link 03/19/17 10:43:47PM @ttga:

It's time for them to stop humoring the naked emperor and deal with the issues and crises facing our nation.

They're trying but every time they try to accomplish something useful, some unreconstructed Socialist runs to the Federal Court, which was packed with ideological Liberal judges or to the Democrats in Congress to get them to endlessly delay bills. These tactics should be labeled guerrilla politics.

In the end I really don't care that much about Trump, although it would be fun to watch the Democrats try this kind of crap with Pence.  Trump has already done the only thing that I cared about, he nominated Gorsuch, which will keep the country from going Socialist for at least another thirty years.

Grow up Randy.  You're living in fantasy land.  If they back him, their careers may be at risk.  If they double cross him, the Republican Party will make certain that their careers are over.  How can I be sure of that?  Because then Pence would be running the Party and he can't trust people who turned on his predecessor. He'll make sure to make an example of anyone who turns on Trump "pour les encourager de outres".  My French spelling is terrible but the idea is to show the others who may be thinking of turning on the leader of the Party what will happen to them.

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 11:29:39PM @sixpick:

I totally agree with you TTGA. 

The article isn't about Hillary, it's about the bullies and the corrupt media along with all those moles Obama appointed and had put into positions to obstruct anyone who didn't want to turn this country into an Oligarch like he did.  He did it throughout his entire 8 years and really sped the process up during his last days in office.

We're stuck with them.

 
pat wilson
link 03/19/17 11:43:03PM @pat-wilson:

The article isn't about Hillary, it's about the bullies and the corrupt media along with all those moles Obama appointed and had put into positions to obstruct anyone who didn't want to turn this country into an Oligarch 

No the article isn't about Hillary

It was about Tim Allen but your first comment was about some soiree for liberal press members that had nothing to do with the seeded article.

I will repeat my post from above as I think you missed it:

"What does your first post have to do with your seed ? Your seeded article is about has-been Tim Allen, former star of an over-rated tv sit-com complaining about Hollywood liberals. 

Then you are derail your seed with your first comment, lol. Why not seed two articles ?"

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 12:51:12AM @sixpick:

Then you are derail your seed with your first comment, lol. Why not seed two articles ?"

Because everything ties together.  It's really one big picture.  Hillary had all those journalist out for dinner before she even ran for President.  You should look up some of their names, Google them, and look at the articles they've published.  With these journalists and the elite in Hollywood alienated from the real world, poor old what's his name feels like he better keep his mouth shut most of the time, because the DNC may just hire some of the radicals from their far left to beat him up a little and of course he won't get any more contracts for TV or whatever.

Now you and I agree on this.  I never cared one thing about that program he starred in for so long.  I can't even remember what the name of it was.  I doubt I've watched 15 minutes of it throughout the entire time, but Hollywood has a lot of Liberals and not being one I would imagine would be detrimental to your career in Hollywood.

Not being a Liberal journalist puts you at odds with the MSM as well, because they will try and destroy you and they will lie and do whatever it takes to accomplish it.

Let's pick another one of the journalist who worked for Hillary Clinton.   Ummmmmm..... Here's one.  Lisa Lerer from AP.  Now remember the girl who had her phone with camera in front of Hillary when she started bobbing her head up and down like a cork in the water?  The girl with the blond hair who drew back from Hillary?  That was Lisa Lerer.

https://twitter.com/llerer

Almost all the journalist are Democrats, so you have that going for you, but many don't trust them anymore than you trust Trump, so Trump will have a hard time of it.  I don't agree with quite a bit of his policies, but I got what I wanted and that was at least one Conservative leaning Justice and a pause in the Hillary and Obama transformation team.

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 01:02:00AM @randy:

Almost all the journalist are Democrats, so you have that going for you, but many don't trust them anymore than you trust Trump, so Trump will have a hard time of it.  I don't agree with quite a bit of his policies, but I got what I wanted and that was at least one Conservative leaning Justice and a pause in the Hillary and Obama transformation team.

"Fake" news. The AM dial is filled with right win talk radio as is satellite radio and the internet. What you should have said is that most real, professonal and impartial journalist tend to lean liberal in their personal lives but do not let it color their unbiased reporting. Then again the truth does have a liberal bias, doesn't it?

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 11:44:06PM @randy:

all those moles Obama appointed and had put into positions to obstruct anyone who didn't want to turn this country into an Oligarch like he did.

Be paranoid there are you six? There are no moles. There are plenty of career bureaucrats who have seen Presidents of both parties come and go and many of them don't like this one because his insults them all of the time, like career CIA and FBI Agents. Bad Donald Trump! Bad, bad Donald Trump! Calling then Nazis was a very, very dumb thing to do to them. Very dumb. Did you think they would just lay there and take it? These are not just janitors in one of your hotels and you will treat them with respect.

Oh and the one in bed with the oligarchs is Trump. Just ask his buddy Putin.

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 11:30:32PM @randy:

They're trying but every time they try to accomplish something useful, some unreconstructed Socialist runs to the Federal Court, which was packed with ideological Liberal judges or to the Democrats in Congress to get them to endlessly delay bills. These tactics should be labeled guerrilla politics.

Sounds like the GOP the last 6 or 7 years.

Eventually, if his popularity drops low enough they will dump him, especially because of the really bad tax cut for the rich they are calling a healthcare bill, which it certainly is not and his budget blueprint that screws over just about every supporter h has except the rich. Congress people have to run for re-election and none of them are going to want to be associated with him in 2018. They are going to treat him like poison ivy and so will the GOP Senators because none of them want to go home and face their angry constituents and say they supported either bill. They want to gt re-elected and Trump is quickly becoming radioactive. They won't want him to visit to "help" in their re-election.

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 12:25:08AM @sixpick:

Well, look at it like this Randy.  At least Trump is abiding by the rulings even though they are meant only to obstruct the protection of the American Citizens.

When Obama received a ruling from a judge, quite often he just went on and did what he was ordered not to do anyway.  And when it came down to the final moment, he would make up some excuse like there was some sort of misunderstanding within the agency at hand.

You know he did have a pen and a phone.  So far Trump hasn't said anything like that.  Obama used his pen and phone to give all those agencies powers they shouldn't have been given unless Congress was involved and they weren't.  But no one did anything to him even when the IRS scandal broke out he said it numerous times there wasn't a smidgen of proof, didn't know Grubber, stabbed Israel in the back right before he let office, tried to give the Palestinian a bunch of money on Trump's Inauguration day after the UK had taken money back because of their support for terrorists. 

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 12:34:02AM @randy:

Biding by the rulings? So far there is only one and I don't remember Obama ignoring any court rulings or he would have been impeached. The GOP had the power to do so, but didn't because he committed no impeachable offense. As for Trump he is in so far over his head that it is dangerous. He is just making up shit as he goes along and has no idea of what he is doing. H.L. Mencken once said "He hasn't an enemy in the world, only his friends hate him." which is where he is dragging this country to.

As for shitting on Israel most of that comes from the U.S. abstaining on the vote concerning Israeli settlements on the West Bank and to tell the truth instead of abstaining I would have voted against them.

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 11:35:55PM @sixpick:

They are rolling the dice by going along as if the meltdown in the WH is not really happening.

Of course it is happening Pat.  Why would the MSM tell it any other way?  But it is really not happening and Trump is trudging along ever day kind of like your buddy Jefferson, pissing off the Lefties and accomplishing things every day.  I don't necessarily go along with all of them, but I knew it would be like this, I said so many months ago.

Trump will get it from both sides, but 4 years of hell is a lot better than a thousand years of darkness, wouldn't you agree?

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 11:37:48PM @randy:

Trump will get it from both sides, but 4 years of hell is a lot better than a thousand years of darkness, wouldn't you agree?

"Fake" equivalency.

 
pat wilson
link 03/19/17 11:53:24PM @pat-wilson:

 but 4 years of hell is a lot better than a thousand years of darkness, wouldn't you agree?

No. If we have 4 years of this insanity we will then have a thousand tears of darkness. I'm not up for that.

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 12:13:56AM @sixpick:

In all honesty Pat, I don't think you have to worry about it too much.  Trump will be running into the wall on both sides of the hall the entire time he is in office.

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 12:36:17AM @randy:

Sort of like Nixon in his last days. Wandering drunk out his mind down the hall of portraits talking to the oil paintings of other Presidents. Of course Trump says he doesn't drink, but he sure acts like he does.

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 11:20:32PM @sixpick:

I doubt he makes it through one term..

You've been wrong before.  I remember several years ago how it was going to be Hillary and there was no one who could argue with you about it.

We're counting on you continuing your prophecies.  He's bad in a lot of ways, but you have to consider how bad the alternative was.

In a way it was John and people like the two of you who gave us Trump.  Obama could never do anything wrong.  The big difference was the media pushed the same perception.  The only people who were against Obama were the people who could see right through him, but now Trump has a few people like the two of you and the media who are trying to convince everyone he is absolutely terrible and whether he is or not doesn't really matter because the MSM has a poll rating rating 8 points lower this year than last year.  You aren't still believing those polls, are you? 

 
Randy
link 03/19/17 11:23:35PM @randy:

You're wrong six. Plenty of people argued with me on it. Including you.Laugh

 
sixpick
link 03/19/17 11:41:54PM @sixpick:

Well, maybe I should restate it.  No one could convince you otherwise there was any possibility of you being wrong about Hillary being the next President.

You see all those journalist in the first comment.  They worked their tails off for Hillary.  Let's pick one of them, just any one of them.  Ummmmm.... Let's see...... Here's one.

How MSNBC’s Alex Seitz-Wald Colluded With The Failed Clinton Campaign


https://medium.com/mtracey/how-msnbcs-alex-seitz-wald-colluded-with-the-failed-clinton-campaign-5e051f1ce9db#.f9cdy1zg6

I won't bother you with the details.  If you're interested in reading it you will and if you're not then you won't.  You could tell me like John LOL who wanted me to know he didn't read the article or the comment.  That's funny.

 
pat wilson
link 03/19/17 11:32:00PM @pat-wilson:

unreconstructed Socialist

Please define...

They're trying but every time they try to accomplish something useful,

Most of them have a "deer-in-the-headlights look to them. Most of them will try to tread the political waters until 2018.

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 12:08:26AM @sixpick:

Most of them have a "deer-in-the-headlights look to them. Most of them will try to tread the political waters until 2018.

Of course they will, but the politicians running in 2018 are more favorable for the Republicans than the Democrats and most of the Republicans are quite aware of how corrupt the Democrat Party is and how corrupt the MSM is and don't really have much use for them.

By the way an unconstructed Socialist is no different than a unconstructed Conservative meaning neither are able to accept the way it is today.  Some of the lefties are unable to accept they lost the election.  The country is not headed straight to Socialism as it was before and they just can't accept that.  They were so close.  If Hillary had won they felt they would have reached Utopia, because the country would become a one party country rule by a few at the top and they would all be Democrats.  Actually that is an Oligarch, but these people didn't realize that was where they were heading.  They thought they were heading to Utopia.

 
pat wilson
link 03/20/17 12:11:03AM @pat-wilson:

The country is not headed straight to Socialism as it was before and they just can't accept that.  They were so close.  If Hillary had won they felt they would have reached Utopia,

If you are on medication, STOP. If you're not on medication START.

 
Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 12:19:10AM @cerenkov:

Ad hominem. That should help.

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 12:23:03AM @randy:

Actually that is an Oligarch, but these people didn't realize that was where they were heading. 

Actually no that's not. Russia is run by a dictator and his super rich friends. His super rich friends are oligarchs. And it is widely believed that Donald Trump is into some of them for some very serious money. Once American backs stopped loaning him money as he was a very poor risk after going bankrupt time after time after time, he turned to them and the Chinese. It is estimated the he owes the Bank of China (which is the Chinese Communist Government) more $162 million dollars.

There are no oligarchs in socialism or utopia. None.

If you are on medication, STOP. If you're not on medication START.

Wise counsel.

 
sixpick
link 03/20/17 01:09:36AM @sixpick:

There are no oligarchs in socialism or utopia. None.

Well, that's what I said.  They thought they were heading to Socialism but they were really headed to become an Oligarchy.

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 01:25:21AM @randy:

I am afraid I have to disagree. We are already a semi-Socialist society and I believe that is a good thing as it provides a safety net to help keep people out of abject poverty and starvation. Is it prefect? No of course not, but it could be much better if the GOP stopped trying to ruin it and make this an every man and woman for themselves society. And really with their enthusiasm for National Defense they should be among the fervent supporters of social programs, as a healthy, well fed America populace is a much stronger and safer America overall. Sick and hungry people make for a poor Resistance if we have to have civilians to fight.

As for heading for and oligarchy based society, I must once again point out to you that this is the ultimate goal of Steve Bannon, Steve Miller and Donald Trump. It is their intention to reform the American government and society along the lines of Russia, with a strong authoritarian man on top and a slightly lower class of mega rich oligarchs and then father below the proletariat. The serfs. Personally I prefer the system we have, with all of it's faults, then to have system of government such as Putin has formed and which is the dream of his protege and student Donald Trump and those around him.

 
Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 01:34:22AM @cerenkov:

I prescribe copious quantities of tin foil. STAT. 

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 01:42:59AM @randy:

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Cerenkov
link 03/20/17 01:21:51AM @cerenkov:

"And it is widely believed that Donald Trump is into some of them for some very serious money."

Typical baseless liberal slander and conspiracy theories. Harry Reid would be proud. No one else is...

 
Randy
link 03/20/17 01:37:05AM @randy:

He could settle the whole issue by releasing his tax returns and no, nobody believe that they are under audit. I predict that one of the intelligence committees (most likely the Senate one because of Lindsey Graham), or a special prosecutor or an independent commission will subpoena his tax returns and that he will resign rather then reveal the depths of his criminality with the Russians.

BTW, why do you and XX always vote your comments up. Bit insincere don't you think?

 

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